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Flashback from 1975: “The NSA's Capability ... Could Enable It To Impose Total Tyranny, And There Would Be No Way To Fight Back

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Senator Church’s Prophetic Warning

Senator Frank Church – who chaired the famous “Church Committee” into the unlawful FBI Cointel program, and who chaired the Senate Foreign Relations Committee – said in 1975:

“Th[e National Security Agency's]  capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything: telephone conversations, telegrams, it doesn’t matter. There would be no place to hide.  [If a dictator ever took over, the N.S.A.] could enable it to impose total tyranny, and there would be no way to fight back.

Now, the NSA is building a $2 billion dollar facility in Utah which will use the world’s most powerful supercomputer to monitor virtually all phone calls, emails, internet usage, purchases and rentals, break all encryption, and then store everyone’s data permanently.

The former head of the program for the NSA recently held his thumb and forefinger close together, and said:

We are, like, that far from a turnkey totalitarian state

So Senator Church’s warning was prophetic.

Spying Began Before 9/11

While you might assume that the NSA’s spying on Americans is a response to 9/11, the government’s illegal spying on Americans actually began before 9/11.

Bloomberg reported in 2006:

The U.S. National Security Agency asked AT&T Inc. to help it set up a domestic call monitoring site seven months before the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks, lawyers claimed June 23 in court papers filed in New York federal court.

 

“The Bush Administration asserted this became necessary after 9/11,” plaintiff’s lawyer Carl Mayer said in a telephone interview. “This undermines that assertion.”

 

“The U.S. Department of Justice has stated that AT&T may neither confirm nor deny AT&T’s participation in the alleged NSA program because doing so would cause `exceptionally grave harm to national security’ and would violate both civil and criminal statutes,” AT&T spokesman Dave Pacholczyk said in an e-mail.

 

U.S. Department of Justice spokesman Charles Miller and NSA spokesman Don Weber declined to comment.

And see this and this.

In other words, the NSA’s trashing of the constitutional rights of American citizens had nothing to do with 9/11.

NSA Heard the 9/11 Hijackers’ Plans from Their Own Mouths … But Didn’t Stop Them

Indeed, the NSA was listening in on the 9/11 hijackers’ phone calls before 9/11, but didn’t do a whole lot to stop them:

  • The National Security Agency and the FBI were each independently listening in on the phone calls between the supposed mastermind of the attacks and the lead hijacker. Indeed, the FBI built its own antenna in Madagascar specifically to listen in on the  mastermind’s phone calls
  • According to various sources, on the day before 9/11, the mastermind told the lead hijacker “tomorrow is zero hour” and gave final approval for the attacks. The NSA intercepted the message that day and the FBI was likely also monitoring the mastermind’s phone calls
  • According to the Sunday Herald, two days before 9/11, Bin Laden called his stepmother and told her “In two days, you’re going to hear big news and you’re not going to hear from me for a while.” U.S. officials later told CNN that “in recent years they’ve been able to monitor some of Bin Laden’s telephone communications with his [step]mother. Bin Laden at the time was using a satellite telephone, and the signals were intercepted and sometimes recorded.” Indeed, before 9/11, to impress important visitors, NSA analysts would occasionally play audio tapes of bin Laden talking to his stepmother.
  • And according to CBS News, at 9:53 a.m on 9/11, just 15 minutes after the hijacked plane had hit the Pentagon, “the National Security Agency, which monitors communications worldwide, intercepted a phone call from one of Osama bin Laden’s operatives in Afghanistan to a phone number in the former
    Soviet Republic of Georgia”, and secretary of Defense Rumsfeld learned about the intercepted phone call in real-time (if the NSA monitored and transcribed phone calls in real-time on 9/11, that implies that it probably did so in the months leading up to 9/11 as well)

As we reported in 2008, the NSA even monitored the hijackers within the United States:

We’ve previously pointed out that the U.S. government heard the 9/11 plans from the hijackers’ own mouth. Most of what we wrote about involved the NSA and other intelligence services tapping top Al Qaeda operatives’ phone calls outside the U.S.

 

However, as leading NSA expert James Bamford - the Washington  Investigative Producer for ABC’s World News Tonight with Peter Jennings for almost a decade, winner of a number of journalism awards for coverage national security issues, whose articles have appeared in dozens of publications, including cover stories for the New York Times Magazine, Washington Post Magazine, and the Los Angeles Times Magazine, and the only author to write any books (he wrote 3) on the NSA – reports, the NSA was also tapping the hijackers’ phone calls inside the U.S.

 

Specifically, hijackers Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi lived in San Diego, California, for 2 years before 9/11. Numerous phone calls between al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi in San Diego and a high-level Al Qaeda operations base in Yemen were made in those 2 years.

 

The NSA had been tapping and eavesdropping on all calls made from that Yemen phone for years. So NSA recorded all of these phone calls.

 

Indeed, the CIA knew as far back as 1999 that al-Mihdhar was coming to the U.S. Specifically, in 1999, CIA operatives tailing al-Mihdha in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, obtained a copy of his passport. It contained visas for both Malaysia and the U.S., so they knew it was likely he would go from Kuala Lumpur to America.

ABC News reported in 2002:

Shortly before Sept. 11, NSA intercepts detected multiple phone calls from Abu Zubaida, bin Laden’s chief of  operations, to the United States. The intercepts were never passed on.

And Raw Story wrote in 2008:

Author James Bamford looked into the performance of the NSA … and found that it had been closely monitoring the 9/11 hijackers as they moved freely around the United States and communicated with Osama bin Laden’s operations center in Yemen. The NSA had even tapped bin Laden’s satellite phone, starting in 1996.

 

“The NSA never alerted any other agency that the terrorists were in the United States and moving across the country towards Washington,”  Bamford told PBS.

 

PBS also found that “the 9/11 Commission never looked closely into NSA’s role in the broad intelligence breakdown behind the World Trade Center and Pentagon attacks. If they had, they would have understood the full extent to which the agency had major pieces of the puzzle but never put them together or disclosed their entire body of knowledge to the CIA and the FBI.”

 

In a review of Bamford’s book, former senator and 9/11 Commission member Bob Kerrey wrote, “As the 9/11 Commission later established, U.S. intelligence officials knew that al-Qaeda had held a  planning meeting in Malaysia, found out the names of two recruits who had been present — Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi — and suspected that one and maybe both of them had flown to Los Angeles. Bamford reveals that the NSA had been eavesdropping for months on their calls to Yemen, yet the agency ‘never made the effort’ to trace where the calls originated. ‘At any time, had the FBI been notified, they could have found Hazmi in a matter of seconds.’”

 

Former CIA analyst Michael Scheuer told PBS, “None of this information that we’re speaking about this evening’s in the 9/11 Commission report. They simply ignored all of it.”

Spying Unrelated to Keeping Us Safe

As we’ve previously documented, the spying isn’t being done to keep us safe … but to crush dissent

and to help the too big to fail businesses compete against smaller businesses (and here).

Indeed, the NSA monitoring efforts will not focus on spying on potential terrorists – or even criminal activity – but in recording every phone call, email, internet search or other communication in the country.

Not Just the NSA: Other Agencies and Shady Foreign Groups Spying on Americans As Well

It’s not just the NSA.

As Nat Hentoff writes:

Thirty years after Church’s principled stand, the Washington Post reported that the NSA had already been  enlisting other intelligence
agencies
to assist its surveillance of “people inside the country suspected of having terrorist connections” (“Bush Authorized Domestic Spying,” Dan Eggen, Dec. 16, 2005).

On what basis? That’s classified.

And Bamford reports that shady companies with ties to Israel are wiretapping Americans for the NSA:

One of the [National Security] agency’s biggest secrets is just how careless it is with that ocean of very private and very personal communications, much of it to and from Americans. Increasingly, obscure and questionable contractors — not government employees — install the taps, run the agency’s eavesdropping infrastructure, and do the listening and analysis.

 

And with some of the key companies building the U.S.’s surveillance infrastructure for the digital age employing unstable employees, crooked executives, and having troubling ties to foreign intelligence services, it’s not clear that Americans should trust the secretive agency ….

 

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Secretive contractors with questionable histories and little oversight were also used to do the actual bugging of the entire U.S. telecommunications network.

According to a former Verizon employee briefed on the program, Verint, owned by Comverse Technology, taps the communication lines at Verizon, which I first reported in my book The Shadow Factory in 2008. Verint did not return a call seeking comment, while Verizon said it does not comment on such matters.

At AT&T the wiretapping rooms are powered by software and hardware from Narus, now owned by Boeing, a discovery made by AT&T whistleblower Mark Klein in 2004. Narus did not return a call seeking comment.

What is especially troubling is that both companies have had extensive ties to Israel, as well as links to that country’s intelligence service, a country with a long and aggressive history of spying on the U.S.

In fact, according to Binney, the advanced analytical and data mining software the NSA had developed for both its worldwide and international eavesdropping operations was secretly passed to Israel by a mid-level employee, apparently with close connections to the country. The employee, a technical director in the Operations Directorate, “who was a very strong supporter of Israel,” said Binney, “gave, unbeknownst to us, he gave the software that we had, doing these fast rates, to the Israelis.”

Because of his position, it was something Binney should have been alerted to, but wasn’t.

 

“In addition to being the technical director,” he said, “I was the chair of the TAP, it’s the Technical Advisory Panel, the foreign relations council. We’re supposed to know what all these foreign countries, technically what they’re doing…. They didn’t do this that way, it was under the table.” After discovering the secret transfer of the technology, Binney argued that the agency simply pass it to them officially, and in that way get something in return, such as access to communications terminals. “So we gave it to them for switches,” he said.

“For access.”

But Binney now suspects that Israeli intelligence in turn passed the technology on to Israeli companies who operate in countries around the world, including the U.S. In return, the companies could act as extensions of Israeli intelligence and pass critical military, economic and diplomatic information back to them. “And then five years later, four or five years later, you see a Narus device,” he said. “I think there’s a connection there, we don’t know for sure.”

Narus was formed in Israel in November 1997 by six Israelis with much of its money coming from Walden Israel, an Israeli venture capital company. Its founder and
former chairman, Ori Cohen, once told Israel’s Fortune Magazine that his partners have done technology work for Israeli intelligence. And among the five founders was Stanislav Khirman, a husky, bearded Russian who had previously worked for Elta Systems, Inc. A division of Israel Aerospace Industries, Ltd., Elta specializes in developing advanced eavesdropping systems for Israeli defense and intelligence organizations. At Narus, Khirman became the chief technology officer.

A few years ago, Narus boasted that it is “known for its ability to capture and collect data from the largest networks around the world.”

The company says its equipment is capable of “providing unparalleled monitoring and intercept capabilities to service providers and government organizations around the world” and that “Anything that comes through [an Internet protocol network], we can  record. We can reconstruct all of their e-mails, along with attachments, see what Web pages they clicked on, we can reconstruct their [Voice over Internet Protocol] calls.”

Like Narus, Verint was founded by in Israel by Israelis, including Jacob “Kobi” Alexander, a former Israeli intelligence officer. Some 800 employees work for Verint, including 350 who are based in Israel, primarily working in research and development and operations, according to the Jerusalem Post. Among its products is STAR-GATE, which according to the company’s sales literature, lets “service providers … access communications on virtually any type of network, retain  communication data for as long as required, and query and deliver content and data …” and was  “[d]esigned to manage vast numbers of targets, concurrent sessions, call data records, and communications.”

In a rare and candid admission to Forbes, Retired Brig. Gen. Hanan Gefen, a former commander of the highly secret Unit 8200, Israel’s NSA, noted his former organization’s influence on Comverse, which owns Verint, as well as other Israeli companies that dominate the U.S. eavesdropping and surveillance market. “Take NICE, Comverse and Check Point for example, three of the largest high-tech companies, which were all directly influenced by 8200 technology,” said Gefen. “Check Point was founded by Unit alumni.  Comverse’s main product, the Logger, is based on the Unit’s technology.”

 

According to a former chief of Unit 8200, both the veterans of the group and much of the high-tech intelligence equipment they developed are now employed in high-tech firms around the world. “Cautious estimates indicate that in the past few years,” he told a reporter for the Israeli newspaper Ha’artez  in 2000, “Unit 8200 veterans have set up some 30 to 40 high-tech companies, including 5 to 10 that were floated on Wall Street.” Referred to only as “Brigadier General B,” he added, “This correlation between serving in the intelligence Unit 8200 and starting successful high-tech companies is not coincidental: Many of the technologies in use around the world and developed in Israel were originally military technologies and were developed and improved by Unit veterans.”

Equally troubling is the issue of corruption. Kobi Alexander, the founder and former chairman of Verint, is now a fugitive, wanted by the FBI on nearly three dozen charges of fraud, theft, lying, bribery, money laundering and other crimes. And two of his top associates at Comverse, Chief Financial Officer David Kreinberg and former General Counsel William F. Sorin, were also indicted in the scheme and later pleaded guilty, with both serving time in prison and paying millions of dollars in fines and penalties.

 

 

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Mon, 04/23/2012 - 06:04 | 2366121 GeneMarchbanks
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falak says bravo! then casts his historicism and nonsense forth. The Catholic Church and todays transnationals have nothing to do with each other in fact.

The Catholic Church has exactly 0 influence in 2012.

i-dog and falak pema spilling the usual deterministic bullshit always tied to historicism. Somehow everything makes perfect sense when you tie it in with crimes of the Catholic Church.

Like a code-breaker gone mad they can attach a historic event with any present day affliction. Great stuff as usual, one a corporate apologist who sold his soul for a living the other hanging onto free market mythology like a dying religion.

Clownshoes as usual boys.

Mon, 04/23/2012 - 06:25 | 2366134 i-dog
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LOL ... ad hominem...ad nauseum!

"The Catholic Church has exactly 0 influence in 2012."

And how is it you know this?

The one and only fact you attempt to include in your usual drivel ... is wrong! LOL....

 

PS. Sorry we got you up so early this morning! That was a solid 8 hour effort you put in at the bolier-room yesterday ... 29 posts! Not bad ... after complaining that other people talk too much! You are a very sad parody.

Mon, 04/23/2012 - 06:45 | 2366162 GeneMarchbanks
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i-dog if you truly believe that the Catholic Church is the main culprit and influence in todays construct I can't help you at all. You, falak and the several other conspiracy theorists continue to detract from the discussion here by continuing to pump up some boogeyman of your own mind. Somehow the remnants of old world Roman limited liability is more relevant than what the IMF/WB is doing today in its blatant social engineering almost world wide. My guess is you have placed capitalism into the religious sphere of importance in your life. All day, every day you go to the corporate temple to worship.

So you don't like Roman Catholics and falak gets sweaty palm nervous around ethnics. Nobody cares, man. Get over your anxiety attacks everytime something reminds you of the Church, I mean, were you abused? Lutheran? Seriously Roman law has perished for the most part, it's OK though, I'm sure we can find other imaginary fears to keep you an anti-esablishment hero.

Mon, 04/23/2012 - 07:06 | 2366180 i-dog
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"if you truly believe that the Catholic Church is the main culprit"

Yet again, you try to build a straw man by misreporting my words. Are you a scarecrow maker by trade?

Please provide a link to any post of mine where I have said that "the Catholic Church is the main culprit" ... or STFU for a change!!

You're just digging a deeper hole for yourself and unwittingly providing me more opportunities to expose the evils of the Catholic Church (without me ever either thinking or saying that "the Catholic Church" is "the main culprit"). Sheeesh!

Mon, 04/23/2012 - 07:07 | 2366185 GeneMarchbanks
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Good point, you say entirely nothing by always putting on display some irrelevant history lesson to create the illusion of a coherent being.

Mon, 04/23/2012 - 07:12 | 2366190 i-dog
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LOL ... you do more flip-flops than Obomber!

You truly are an imbecile.

Mon, 04/23/2012 - 07:22 | 2366208 GeneMarchbanks
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That kinda hurts, I like you. I might even say I love you, but that's just the Catholic in me ;)

Mon, 04/23/2012 - 07:28 | 2366222 Ghordius
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repent and recite 10 Hail Maries, you free-thinking sinner

Mon, 04/23/2012 - 07:18 | 2366193 Ghordius
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nah, this was not necessary, -1

I have gained his impression too

Mon, 04/23/2012 - 06:37 | 2366148 Ghordius
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I thought the only fact he is stating is that you both dabble in historicism - and IMHO he's right.

The CC has exactly zero influence in 2012 is perhaps hyperbolic - though it's nearer the truth to what you both declaim...

and the "boiler room" quip is nearly "ad hom", isn't it? Come on, can't stand senseless fighting, get a grip you three

Mon, 04/23/2012 - 07:02 | 2366182 GeneMarchbanks
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'The CC has exactly zero influence in 2012 is perhaps hyperbolic - though it's nearer the truth to what you both declaim...'

This institution is a relic. Something like 41% of Spanish youth is or claims to be atheist. Italy, similar. Poland is perhaps different maybe not can't say. You might as well go after the Russian Orthodox and KGB or Greek monks and Goldman. Luther? Well, poor Luther, sure Romans distorted NT but Luther created a distortion on top of a distortion!!

I have no clue where falak and i-dog are coming from, at this point they are both boxing their own shadows.

Mon, 04/23/2012 - 06:19 | 2366132 Ghordius
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;-) shall I organize a tour in the Vatican's archives for the two? ;-)

Mon, 04/23/2012 - 06:50 | 2366165 falak pema
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lol, just read my novels, even the ones that haven't been published.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 14:08 | 2364922 Centurion9.41
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Btw Georgie, I'm retired military. I promise you the capabilities asserted by the piece, i.e. real-time notification of Bin Laden calls to Sec Def, we're not fantasy back then.

What you fail to understand is the number of tempesta di merda that occur every day but never actually turn into 9/11.

Your Chicken Little pieces, aimed at turning that moment into a reason to become a libertarian based anarchy, only serve two purposes: to show how little faith you have in the good men & women serving to protect you; and to create exactly the environment you seek to avoid by joining legion with the wackos out there and hence proving further need for that which you rage against.

Facts son, REAL facts that point to TRUE motives. That would be a great service from you.

When you embellish and cry like Chicken Little you end up sounding like the Boy Who Cried Wolf.

Centurion

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 22:18 | 2365832 UGrev
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Protecting who from what, exactly? Thus far we've succeeded in getting thousands of good American boys killed trying to "prevent"..."something". No one is protecting me from the most immediate of evils.. MY GOV'T. So how about you tell your boys in camo to pack up their shit, leave the shit hole of the earth and come home for breakfast.

On, one more thing. Libertarian and anarchy; I don't know how you can possibly put those two in the same sentence. Libertarianism is not about anarchy.. it's about freedom. We understand there are common laws, and we abide by them; But by the same token the gov't must follow the constitution and we must be free men. 

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 17:38 | 2381203 Centurion9.41
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UGrev,

Notice how many negative responses a reference to a military member brings.  Note bene, considering your choice of avatar.

You've got me all wrong regarding the governement.  It is a horrible creature.  Yet I always find it ironic that those who have never served in any form of government, claim to know it so well. 

I put Libertarian and Anarch in the same sentence easily.  Just because you can not understand it, or have conceptions that are contrary to the common and long held understanding of the ideal which underlie both, does not mean you are right.  As for your assertion of Freedom, what is freedom UGrev?  Please tell us what it is.  For if it is everyone can do anything they like, as long as it does not "hurt" another, well then you've defined Anarchy. 

As for the Constitution, I suggest to you I am far more in the follow the Constitution camp than most.  And probably you.  I trust you've heard of strict constructionism. 

And regarding your protection, do not confuse what you percieve as your most immediate evils as those most dangerous to you.  One would think 9/11 reminded you of that. 

Btw, some of those "boys" killed were my brothers whom I served next to, literally.  How many of those kind of men can you call a brother?

 

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 19:47 | 2365605 Rick64
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Centurion9.41

   I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.[13]

General Smedly Butler

He seems to disagree with your point of view.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 17:47 | 2381218 Centurion9.41
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Rick,

It should tell you something that a General would consider himself a "high class" muscle man, in the military?  Funny, I spent 20, and around it for 25.  Never saw one high class muscle man, and I served with Special Operations units.... Hmmm. 

Let me tell you something about most officers, and I am a retired officer, over the rank of General or Admiral.  They are political animals Rick.  They are very very rarely warriors.  The are almost all politicians in uniform.

And to be frank, I hold greater contempt for military Generals and Admirals than politicians.  Why?  Because they wear the mantle of the warrior, of his code and morality, yet out side the eyes of most civilians they act just like politicians.  Except with people's lives.  The make rules that get people killed and diminish the readiness of our military, so they can get promoted.

There's an old military saying, Generals make Generals and Admirals make Admirals.

You are an ignorant fool if the same "bankster" dynamics that exist on Wall Street and in DC does not also infect the humanity of the upper echelon's of the military.

But go ahead and hang your hat on the words of Smedly.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 08:16 | 2400503 Rick64
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 You are an ignorant fool if the same "bankster" dynamics that exist on Wall Street and in DC does not also infect the humanity of the upper echelon's of the military.

I think that is exactly what General Smedly is saying. You are agreeing with what he is saying. It isnt important whether he actually got his hands dirty or was just sending down orders, its the same result.

Mon, 04/23/2012 - 03:33 | 2366080 vato poco
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It's a bitch tryin' to argue with a man who won 2 Medals of Honor, was at the time the most decorated Marine in history, and is generally agreed should have been Commandant of the USMC, ain't it?

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 17:49 | 2381222 Centurion9.41
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Poco, do not confuse valor with intelligence or political heart.  Your words differ little from those of a teen age girl talking about her favorite pop star.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 14:50 | 2365020 CH1
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Your buddies have the magic mojo, huh? Don't forget, some of us here know those same guys: Supermen they are NOT.

And we're supposed to just take your word that boogey men will rape all our women if we don't kiss tyranny's ass?

NO SALE!

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 17:42 | 2365353 Ignatius
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"I fall on my knees every night to thank my God we got protection," Mrs. Reilly told the crowd. "We'd all be dead without the police.  We'd all be laying in our beds with our throats cut open from ear to ear."  --  A Confederacy of Dunces

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 17:44 | 2365351 Centurion9.41
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CH1, never said they were Supermen. But they are far far better than the "99%" brain trust; more intelligent, more faithful to the Constitution they live by Duty, Honor, Country. Not made up rights of college educations and geting their medical care paid regardless of the lifestyle risks they chose to live (and I'm not talking homosexuality/AIDS).

On the same topic, I'm hugely against the BS Constitutional
violations that exist within the "Patriot Act".

But you don't turn to the Brownshirt intelligence level to fix it.

Regards,
Centurion

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 18:13 | 2365400 CH1
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Honestly, Centurian, I'd definitely take military guys over politicians, but they are all playing in the same, rigged game of states, monopolies and conquest.

The best military guys are seeing that the game sucks and are leaving it behind. There are more of them than you'd think, and they make terrific neighbors.

Peace.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 17:50 | 2381224 Centurion9.41
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CH,

Glad you see it that way.  I ask you read my "Smedly" response above.

Peace

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 14:31 | 2364979 Jim in MN
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He tries hard.  I'm pretty sure we've been 'reminded' about his presumed superior quals about 400 times. 

Clearly we're not listening hard enough.

Meanwhile I have faith that Centurion here will only miss the Constitutional rights that he suddenly discovers that he personally needs.   When it is. of course, far too late.

 

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 17:48 | 2365364 Centurion9.41
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Jimmy, you got me all wrong. I'm an Original Construction type guy. If nothing I'd go to the libertarian side where only those that pay taxes get to vote.

Btw sport, that is why they wrote the Bill of Rights; because back then only men & land owners could voter. The intent was to protect the real 99% from the land owners, make sure their rights werent taken away by the vote.

Jimmy, have you ever put your life on the line to defend the rights of those who hate you?

Centurion

Mon, 04/23/2012 - 07:35 | 2366235 AnAnonymous
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Btw sport, that is why they wrote the Bill of Rights; because back then only men & land owners could voter. The intent was to protect the real 99% from the land owners, make sure their rights werent taken away by the vote.
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Absolutely.

It was not about a burgeoning middle class diminishing the King's power and granting themselves priviledges.

It was all about protecting the rights of the landless, the unlanded, the 99pc.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 17:54 | 2381232 Centurion9.41
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Correct.  But what is today claimed as "entitlements and rights" were not then considered rights.

If the 99pc claimed they were being denyed and oppressed on legitimate rights, that would be different.  But they are not.  They are a bunch of spoiled children and progressive liberals who want to take the property of others.  It's that simple.

 

Mon, 04/23/2012 - 08:02 | 2366275 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Yet another in an endless series of advocation and promotion of the US citizenism.

The repeation is like Chinese citizenism water torture.

 

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 19:03 | 2365498 Jim in MN
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Well you certainly put on a good imitation of a dickhead.  As long as you're enjoying yourself.

 

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 17:55 | 2381235 Centurion9.41
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Right Potsie.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 17:06 | 2365282 flattrader
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Jim,

Check in at enenews.com  The Japs keep blowing shit up.

Happy fucking earth day everyone...

bomb building government C4 plane overthrow assasination end the fed stay in bed happy earth day fuck the nsa occupy a tree save the bees burn down a Walmart...what rhymes with that??? anybody???

edit:

Got it...burn down a Walmart use explosive farts

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 14:18 | 2364947 Bicycle Repairman
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"Btw Georgie, I'm retired military."

Oh Jeez, the ex-military is here.  Everyone, just STFU and take notes.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 19:47 | 2365593 Rick64
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DP

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 15:22 | 2365063 WTFx10
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"I'm retired military."Which basically means he was naive enough to believe the bullshit they fed him for the duration.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 17:59 | 2365380 Centurion9.41
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You sound about as smart as Potsie Webber and the 99%er kids that still sleep in mommy's house.

Trust me, everyone came away from your comment thinking "hey that WTFx10 guy is an f'ing genius!"

Dumbass

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 19:48 | 2365608 hidingfromhelis
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It's Military Dollar Bonus!  Don't think it's sarcasm here; this one actually seems to believe.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 15:22 | 2365062 WTFx10
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dp

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 14:15 | 2364940 LetThemEatRand
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When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in a flag and it will tell us that it is just protecting us from the evil doers.   Even if everything you say is true that we are under constant threat, it is also true that we could all be hit by a bus or a car everytime we walk outside.  At some point, you have to draw the line and live your life.

Mon, 04/23/2012 - 07:38 | 2366242 AnAnonymous
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When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in a flag and it will tell us that it is just protecting us from the evil doers.

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For the moment, fascism is no center of matter.

The center is US citizenism, aka 'Americanism'

'Americanism' wont come to 'America' because 'America' is already its home.

'Americanism' is spreading around the world though.

Mon, 04/23/2012 - 07:59 | 2366273 TheFourthStooge-ing
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The center is US citizenism, aka 'Americanism'

'Americanism' wont come to 'America' because 'America' is already its home.

Your thoughts run in circles like two tigers chasing around a ring each other.

Forceful, but getting nowhere...

'Americanism' is spreading around the world though.

You've made that spread your mission in life. Clearly.

 

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 17:51 | 2365369 Centurion9.41
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No, it will come as liberals telling you that your rights were taken away; just like in the French Revolution.

Like I said, I'm against the un-Constitutional actions of the past 40 years.

Most of them have been done by Liberals and those claiming the mantle of Democracy.

You are a blind fool, or one of them, if you think otherwise.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 23:12 | 2365918 11b40
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You mean like that great liberal Dick Cheney?

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 18:40 | 2365457 rwe2late
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French Revolution? King beheaded. Exactly who took away whose rights?

Ever heard of "Man on white horse" ?  Napoleon? "Whiff of grapeshot"?

Centurion, you have no business calling others "blind fools".

Those who worship the military  eventually wind up wanting a military dictatorship. Military organizations are autocratic, secretive, and ruthless organizations. It is no wonder that the professed Pentagon goal of "full spectrum dominance" over all "threats" imaginable is leading to a global police state.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 16:47 | 2365257 LowProfile
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Wow, I'm agreeing with LetThemEatRand.

(pinches self)

Yep, I'm agreeing with LetThemEatRand.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 15:20 | 2365059 Mary Wilbur
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Fascism is already here.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 14:34 | 2364988 TooBearish
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News Flash Mr Rand- already here,,,

Mon, 04/23/2012 - 02:49 | 2366062 AlaricBalth
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If you rely on the government to protect you, who will protect you from the government.

I have said this before but it is worth repeating.

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