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On war in Europe
"Even on the eve of war, however, there was still considerable optimism that the peace would hold. Europe had experienced several decades without a major war, and in the meantime, industrialization and relatively free international trade had produced rapidly rising standards of living. A war that would destroy the fruits of this progress seemed irrational.
Many people believed, moreover, that the rising international solidarity of the labor movement would undermine support for a war entered into by imperialistic capitalist powers. Although financial markets were retrenching, they gave no sign that a cataclysm lay ahead. The optimists were wrong."
-- Gary M. Walton and Hugh Rockoff, History of the American Economy, Eleventh Edition, p. 380
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European nations were for some of them top of the world.
Figthing a war could mean becoming number one.
That was the stake.
Today? Europeans too well know their US citizenism classics, they have used them lavishly.
No wars other than the colonial wars to maintain the supply lines.
Any other kind of wars, between European nations, would mean a downfall of the said nations.
Especially as US citizenism has spred around the world, and many are waiting in the antichambers to use US citizenism recipes.
No war. Europe on its way to blob up.
As one US citizen contributor put it, the Euro can not work between sovereign nations. He falsely concluded that the euro had to be ended.
No by US citizenism standards. US citizenism shows the path.
See US citizen middle class slash the nations sovereignty in order to enable the Euro. That or a loss of power. And US citizens have thrived too much on injustice to afford themselves a loss in power.
This seems correct to me, it agrees with my analysis.
You'll have to translate it.
It won't do any good; if you were intelligent you would already understand it.
AnAnonymous sometimes makes good points, but his lack of English skills get in the way. You had a chance to help him, but instead you felt it was more important to be a douche bag. Telling.
Thanks for distributing good marks. It is school time.
As to me, I prefer reality confirming or infirming a prediction rather than being awarded medals by US citizens.
Whatsoever, for something like a language, command over it implies understanding broken versions of it.
I discovered a few years back that most US citizens have this wrong.
They place the focus of lack of command over people speaking broken versions first (and often symetrically on too sophisticated versions) while the lack of command come from them first.
US citizens have the passion of the group: their knowledge of their own language is often constrained and limited by their group.
Move slightly out of their vernacular and they are lost.
+1 nevertheless for "Move slightly out of their vernacular and they are lost." Sadly often true.
And myself, I'm not blameless, I'd prefer you would use the more usual/common term "Westerner" instead of "US Citizen" - even though I think/understand you are meaning more "Consumption-Obsessed-Entitled-Person" without assigning a specific nationality.
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Yes, he'll occasionally make some good points. Nevertheless, after initially trying in a civil manner to get him to further explain his positions, I came to the conclusions expressed in the "transrations" above. The convincing factor for me was when, after I pointed out some contradictory statements he had made, his response was to deny it all as some sort of "US citizenism fantasy."
It's up to him to make the case for his opinions. If he'd rather play the part of a trained monkey, then I expect him to perform for our entertainment.
And don't forget about how AnAnon nonsensically blames his bigoted and supposed "US Citizenism" for everything from the collapse of Easter Island society (actually due to environment degradation and overpopulation in the early 17th century, and later foreign slave traders and introduced diseases, none of which had ANY American component or influence), to the environmental destruction and political repression occurring in China today, to presumably even the extinction of the dinosaurs and the heartbreak of psoriasis. There is apparently no ill in the world that he cannot, and does not, attribute to that all-encompassing evil of "US Citizenism" --- too bad it exists only in his own tortured mind.
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Actually, Ghordius, I think the meaning of our dear Chinese dishwasher friend in endlessly repeating that phrase is quite clear --- he is a hate-filled, blindly prejudiced anti-American bigot with a shallow and simplistic collectivist mindset. He obviously intends to condemn EVERY American with the same absurdly broad brush, and it is for that reason that I condemn and mock him in turn.
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Transration: As to me, my purpose is to judge and condemn, sometimes for valid reasons and sometimes for imaginary reasons. Don't bother to agree with me on anything or to say I made a good point, because I will then change my position so as to be in disagreement with you. In order to judge and condemn all, I must be in disagreement with all.
Transration: If by chance I happen so say something slightly intelligible, do not, under any circumstances, ask me for clarifications or ask me to expound upon my theories. I will not do so. Explanations or clarifications are only applicable for theories or viewpoints which maintain some minimum level of consistency. Requiring consistency of me would be restricting, and robbing me of my freedom to be inconsistent would prove the inherent and eternal nature of US citizenism. Also, even if I chose to be consistent, my wisdom is beyond the understanding of mere US citizenism subhumans.
Transration: The pathetic, contemptible US citizenism insects, even if they don't understand, should feel privileged even just to gaze upon my words. Now begone from my presence, insect, as you're not worthy enough to question me.
If one is willing to explore the analogies between denialistic and defecatory Chinese citizenism and insectism, then the Chinese citizen would certainly be the shit-rolling dung beetle of the anthropomorphized insect world.
The eternally denialistic, coconutopolized, divide-by-zeroic, rehypoanthropomorphised, crustaceo-arachnoidal insectoidalized dung beetleism of Chinese citizenism is enough to make one retch.
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Only in a warped, ignorant, demented, twisted and autistic Chinese citizenism mind could such an assemblage of gibberish be claimed to make any sense whatsoever.
But spouting self-contradictorialness and nonsense-spinning is Rule #1 of Chinese citizenism, citizens of it being the parangons of semantical canibilism.
Bite the wax tadpole!
+1 Annoying "AnAnonymous sometimes makes good points..."
That is what a post looks like after a bong hit of 80x salvia.
War usually occurs AFTER a major recession/depression. There's still a lot more to decline in the markets before this occurs -far below the March 2009 lows.
http://bullandbearmash.com/index/sp-500/weekly/
Go to Europe. It is not on the edge of war.
If we repeat it enough, we can cause a war there. And who doesn't want a good war, am I right? *high five*
Billions of blistering blue barnacles! And how are Tin-Tin and Snowy, Capn?
Besides, Europe long ago denuded their defenses in order to devote money to the social welfare state. That is not a bad idea IF everyone is peace-loving and neighborly. Unfortunately for them, that is not the case.
They'll just go back to fighting with sticks. Or we can sell them weapons. Again.
agreed.
confused, divided, yet united in fate in this coming (orchestrated) chaos.
new lines will be drawn, as has always happens. the EU wiil break up, into smaller economic pieces. Some areas who are undesirable now will become desirable investment objects, and vice versa. but armies of the nations marching within europe? anyone who thinks that does not have their ear on the ground.
the problem is Brussels, and the ongoing sellout to a corporate elite. As what always happens when an unstable larger unity is forged without the drive from the bottom up, there will be regions that will gravitate away from the center. The SOLE incentive to "support the EU union" has been for many that it brought economic prosperity. But that's been captured, reversed. Germany was/is a nation state, but also a large region with connecting culture, economic and social unity etc. This is not the case in Spain, or Italy, or even France. So the EU bureaucrats trying to dissolve the nation state of the 20th century will only hasten this process, And no, they'll not see it happening and their actions will be counterproductive to their cause. Politional actions of the EU troops occupation of "problem areas". All of this in a crumbling, corrupt larger structure that will be more desperate and clueless, but will have the power on loan from the big corporations etc.
I'm telling you guys now: THE NEXT BIG CONFLICT IN EUROPE IS REGIONS VS. THE EU multinationals/politicians (Brussels). I can't say the time frame exactly but it'll be 10 - 20 years.
Because an enlargement of scale will ALWAYS result in more local cohesion. It's the order of things. And I welcome it. Decentralisation is going to be a valuable survival strategy. The seeds are already sown.
The real surprise of WWI for the financial centers was not a war between France, Russia, Germany and Austria. This was somehow expected, in some limited and short form, in the Balkans.
The real surprise was that the UK (and because of this the whole Commonwealth and later the US) joined.
I voted you up, but I would like to add that one of the reasons for this conflict was the emerging german navy and merchant shipping as an exponent of the emerging german industrial might. For centuries Germany had been divided and not a world trade player. That was about to change. They had the technology they were building a naval force that could compete with the aging british navy cruisers, and they even had a submarine fleet in the docks.
The UK imperial forces really wanted that stamped out.
The USA joining was nothing but part of a banker "coup d'etat". No other reason, than bold imperialism at the cost of the Republic. "Walk softly but carry a big stick" was abandoned recklessly.
I agree that the world before 1914 was very different than after 1918. If these old olichargs would've grasped the essence of changing times, they'd NEVER have engaged in this war.
And that's a simularity with now. They're utterly clueless, or controlled by those that do have ulterior motives.
Agree. How nice to see someone who actually read the history, and got something out of it. The interesting alternative history is a WWI where England turned the propaganda machine the other way, and just said, oh well, it's just a European Squabble, ignore it oh populous masses. This would have required objective insight, of course. Result; treaties and no WW11; no bankrupt England; very, very, favorable result for England. Very interesting.
And on a related note, why DID the U.S. enter WWI? You may know already, or you may simply know that it was due to the "Balfour agreement", as stated in some high school textbooks at least a few decades back anyway, though they never fully expounded on that. What was the Balfour agreement? The war had been at stalemate for years. Everyone wanted out. But the British refused to let the Germans off the hook that easily. The World Jewish Congress approaced Balfour, of Britain. They told him, promise us the land now known as Palestine, after the war, and we'll get the U.S. into the war on your side. Okay, said Balfour. So the WJC forged the Zimmerman Telegram (you probably read about that in HS too but weren't given many details.) It was a false flag telegram the WJC forged to appeat that the German Zimmerman was asking Mexico to attack the U.S. and promising them glory if they did. Telegram "leaked", public outcry, you know the rest of the story...
This has never been considered conspiracy theory. Accepted fact by pretty much all historians for decades, and modern Israelis consider it one of their greatest feats. What should be questioned is, how is it that almost no American knows this, and why wasn't it detailed in our textbooks...
JP Morgan financed both France and England during WW1. Anything but an outright allied victory would have plunged British + French government bonds in price.
And the ties between JP Morgan and the Rothschild dynasty were (and are) immense. And the WJC and the Rothschild dynasty are almost one and the same. Funny how so many isolated, seemingly unrelated events in history make so much more sense when you learn who owns what. The owners have tried to hide their ownership/sponsorship of most all things for a very long time, and very successfully. Then the Internet came along, and now they're TERRIFIED. Hence the growing police state. That trend will never be abated thru the ballot box. Politicians are all nothing more than transitory puppets, while the royal, wealthy, old money dynasties that put them in office just keep on going. But not for much longer if the Internet as we know it isn't destroyed, and/or if they don't implement a total police state. Clearly they're trying.
Well, thay had decided to support France in case of a war with Germany nearly a decade before it broke out (1906), but it was hardly public knowledge.
entente cordiale!
Entente cordiale - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
However, France now has a new entente cordiale with Germany since 1984, Kohl-Mitterrand deal to build 'greater Maastricht Europe' and subsequent Euro zone.
So time moves on and France remains the key link between Anglo saxon and Continental strategic considerations; under Pax Americana rules (Nato/NWO/Petrodollar hegemony etc.).
So what happens in Europe is linked to how Pax Americana evolves.
agree, the EU organisation is part of a larger construct.
the artificial destruction of financial structures (in favour of multinational corporations) must be seen on a larger scale.
global forces and centralised control vs. regional interests and raw forces.
will the center hold?
"agree, the EU organisation is part of a larger construct."
Or even a smaller construct, namely a relatively small cabal of people who've been running things behind the scenes for centuries. Many who would know have spoken of it, for example, Woodrow Wilson. Think about it... politicians, and even governments, come and go. But for centuries wealthy families, often royal familes, have kept on going. They've been friends, family in many cases, advisers, CREDIT PROVIDERS, etc etc to those politicians they've protected, paid off, spent millions to put into office, etc. The politicians die, move on, get voted out, whatever. Those families just keep on going decade after decade. "TPTB" are not TPTB that most sheeple THINK they are. What most people see is a an illusion, a dog and pony show for the masses, a facade.
some information here about Rhodes Society (founded by Cecil Rhodes) Interview with Caroll Quigley:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRj-wL2GoqI
One should not spare this great book to fill in the explanation vacuum of mankind troubling history during the 19th and 20th centuries.
Professor Carroll Quigley was an extraordinarily gifted historian and geo-political analyst. The insights and information contained in his massive study open the door to a true understanding of world history in the nineteenth and twentieth centuries.
It is a work of exceptional scholarship and is truly a classic. The author should have received a Nobel Prize for his work.
"At Harvard, biochemistry was to be his major. But Harvard, expressing then a belief regarding a well-rounded education to which it has now returned, required a core curriculum including a course in the humanities. Quigley chose a history course, "Europe Since the Fall of Rome." Always a contrary man, he was graded at the top of his class in physics and calculus and drew a C in the history course. But the development of ideas began to assert its fascination for him, so he elected to major in history. He graduated magna cum laude as the top history student in his class.
Tragedy And Hope: A History Of The World In Our Time (1966) By Carroll Quigley
Grab it here! (pdf, 5.42 mb)
However, if one is facing some difficulty to digest the Quigley alone, try to get this one for the companion guideline too (torrent it: "The Naked Capitalist ocr'd.pdf", 15,907,456 bytes or just search its hash: d3ea71bf9bf0f52b4b118c96ce082e32c6bd7e3a ):
The Naked Capitalist (1970) by W. Cleon Skousen.
In author's own words: “A Review and Commentary on Dr. Carroll Quigley’s (1966) Book: Tragedy and Hope—A History of the World In Our Time.
nice one!
also on scribd http://www.scribd.com/doc/62479402/W-Cleon-Skousen-The-Naked-Capitalist-...
thanks!
Yes, a large construct (in geographical terms, and in impact - meta events), with a small group of absolute top, a larger (kick down, lick up) middle management, then nothing, and then the peasants. Who are these people? Royalty? Rockefellers, Rothschilds, etc.? Are they in turn controlled by something we can't see? Real power is to be totally invisible, while in control. That's what I've learned anyway.
I don't feel I'm any of those groups, sadly it does effect my life, because the world in which I live is being damaged.
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too easy ... if you looked at it from Germany's 'THEN' perspective ... they almost had no choice but to initiate it. And I am by no means countenancing the War ..... but if you examine the dynamic .... Germany was headed for an untenable position that was very vulnerable. Everyone forgets that Russia , after the 1905 Japan War fiasaco was modernizing rapidly (which lead to the instability exacerbated by the War which the bolsheviks used to exploit their more organzed & disciplined presence into permanent regime power). It was obvious to all then that Russia, despite its missteps, was going to be a much bigger factor than it had been due to technology which allowed the massive geography to coalesce, etc.
Too much for a post here ... but do not oversimplify things with a few sentences of extracted wording . There was a lot going on going into the beginning of WW1. We just are too lazy to go back and dig into it ...... I've read about 30+ book son this directly or indirectly myself to learn. Relying on Barbara Tuchman's Guns of August, a fine story, is like trying to understand a car enging by looking at the new car sticker.
Go read Norman Stone's now classic groundbreaking analyses accounts of WW1 if you want your eyes opened. Of course no one will but they will act like they know what they are talking about still ....
Any sourcees on where Japan got the money to militarize? Seems like they went from isolationist to agreessor very rapidly.
Your premise---"they had almost no choice but to initiate it." is false. It reveals a very shallow and inadequate understanding of the subject. "Russian instability exacerbated by the war"---laughable. The War itself, a massive and horrendous national humiliation on the battlefield caused the "instability" which made the overthrow of the Czar possible. It wasn't "obvious" to anyone that Russia was going to be a bigger factor. Complete nonsense.
Please, even the quoted piece implies war was actively being prepared for during the time in question "there was considerable optimism that the peace would hold". And there's that pesky little fact that the countries were prepared and making cautious preparations for war.
Newspapers today, with all their technological advantages, hardly ever have the pulse of the times correct.
But no, we are supposed to be left with the impression the OPINIONS of Mssrs Walton & Rockoff reflect the true state of mind at the time.
Seriously, does ZH hope to continue to grow as a true serious voice on the affaoirs of markets and real world geo-politics, or is it swirling down the drain belching a cacophony like that which came frantihero anarchy of the French Revolution?
"Newspapers today, with all their technological advantages, hardly ever have the pulse of the times correct."
That's not their job, even if you think it is.
The latter. There is no real "discussion" in the ZH forum. Any opinion contrary to one of the Tylers faces a blitzkrieg of obscenity, name-calling and links to You Tube that serve as "evidence". I was told that ZH was a community of libertarians but actually a good portion are not interested in civil society or its workings. Many are wannabe survivalists filled with rage at the world, giddy at the prospects of violence, destruction and collapse., They've seen too many movies.
LOL - most don't even notice that the Tylers are avid readers of JP Morgan, Goldman, BOA and various other "bad guys". Go to some place iike the Slog for a discussion with adults.
@smb12321, I don't know about your Slog. But one thing for sure i like the most from the places like ZH is they put NO CENSORSHIP here!
Members here can comment ANYTHING, and they could just be the wannabe survivalists filled with rage at the present world, giddy at the prospects of violence, destruction and collapse...the doomers in short. Any kind. All the kinds. Including some agency trolls. Who knows. This is all about internet ID :-)
Eventually we all just use our common senses, compare it with facts and realities to judge one's opinion and/or information here, is it a real or fictious, information or DISinformation, true or false or half-true, half-false... :-)
It doesn't matter for no restriction is imposed here, very loose, very relax... and the great part, ZH does not ban any LINK. Members here are free to provide any supporting link or further info they deem as necessary.
I'm SICK with any board or forum prohibits any link to other sites! And there are so many of them. Setting out rules such as 'comments must be aligned with the topics' bla bla bla... quite sterile!!! Perhaps they are just afraid of competition, fear to lose readership :-) Such sites allow no competing idea/thought/information, most likely just direct readers to certain direction.
Again, for just two aspects mentioned above: NO CENSORSHIP and allowing all links ZH has been great, not to say about the topics and substances covered here! And the many great members/commentators who frequent ZH!!
"...wannabe survivalists filled with rage at the world, giddy at the prospects of violence, destruction and collapse..."
From what I've seen, the survivalists here are more of the earnest "Cassandra" archetype prophets, desperate to warn their fellow Trojans of the impending doom, and to protect their loved ones. My guess is, you and all the other "all is well" crowd are the ones who are living in some sedated Truman world, with CNBC telling you to buy buy buy.
I on the other hand, minus the rage (more boredom and sarcasm), fit that description to a T. How else am I too raise and lead a primeval Horde under the esteemed philosphy of Conan the Barbarian?
Mongol General" "Conan...what is the best in life?"
Conan: "To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women."
Well I guess you'll be heading to the "Slog" now. Later.
"I was told that ZH was a community of libertarians but actually a good portion are not interested in civil society or its workings. Many are wannabe survivalists filled with rage at the world, giddy at the prospects of violence, destruction and collapse"
I represent that remark!
Me too, it really got stiff when he mentioned violence! I just hope there will be fire. Fire's cool.