Republican Delegates Can Ignore Any “Committment” to Vote for Mitt Romney, and Can Instead Vote for Ron Paul If They Want

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We noted last week that it’s still possible for Ron Paul to score an upset win over Mitt Romney.

Indeed, the nonpartisan Center for Voting and Democracy (CVAD) reported last December that the the legal counsel for the Republican National Convention said delegates can vote for whoever they want at the National Convention:

As set out in the Rules of the Republican Party, delegates have the ability to vote according to the delegates’ preference, even if that is contrary to the outcome of each state’s primary. According to one source, the legal counsel for the Republican National Convention in 2008 stated: “[The] RNC does not recognize a state’s binding of national delegates, but considers each delegate a free agent who can vote for whoever they choose.” Thus, if a delegate were to challenge his or her ability to vote as a free agent, he or she would have grounds under Rule 38.

Ironically, the legal counsel rendered her opinion when a Utah delegate wanted to vote for Mitt Romney in the face of the Utah delegation as a whole going for John McCain.

CVAD continues:

For further clarification on the meaning of Rule 38, it is instructive to look to the debate in 1964 when the RNC debated whether to strike the Rule 38 language from a proposed amendment that was adopted that year. The debate begins on page 64 of this source. The RNC voted 59 to 41 to keep the rule in the amendment, noting that it helped to clarify a longstanding practice that a delegate was free to take exception to the roll call, and was free to vote his or her preference. Those who sought to strike the rule feared that its inclusion in the rules would give delegates freedom from both a non-existent legal obligation and a moral obligation to vote according to instructions from their state. However, even these opponents of the rule admitted that there never has been any legal obligation for a delegate to do so.

In other words, all Republican delegates – no matter what state they are in – can vote their conscience … even if someone tells them they have to vote for a particular candidate.

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Sun, 05/13/2012 - 21:37 | 2422488 sbenard
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That's a fascinating aspect of the GOP nominating process that I didn't know about. Thanks for writing this. But it is also a double-edged sword. In other words, Ron Paul's supporters could also do the same thing.It's hard for me to imagine either Romney's or Paul's delegates switching to the other.

I wonder what would be the impact of many of Romney's delegates switching to Paul, if the GOP primary voters realized that their delegates had done so. The GOP would likely be DEAD, because I would never vote GOP again (I'm not a Republican, but sometimes vote that way). I'm sure millions of other Republicans voters would feel the same way, if they realize that their cast votes had been ignored.

And there is also the big question of what Santorum and Gingrich delegates will do. Realistically, since both Santorum and Gingrich have dropped out and endorsed Romney, it is most likely that their delegates will cast their votes for Romney. In other words, the most likely scenario is that Romney has already locked up the nomination!

Sun, 05/13/2012 - 20:57 | 2422455 orangegeek
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It doesn't matter who runs against Obama.  If the markets tank, Obama is finished.


Have a look at the Dow weeklys.  Follow the 2004 and 2008 election.


Go back to 2000 and the recession - and their was a switch in parties then too.

Sun, 05/13/2012 - 20:40 | 2422427 Papasmurf
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If Mittens gets the win, everyone gets a haircut.

Sun, 05/13/2012 - 20:34 | 2422415 praxis
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Here's how you really piss off a Neo Con shill. 

I think Dr. Paul should run as an

Seriously though, ever notice when the Neo Cons get their back against the wall they start raging and threatening like somehow they're the cocks of the their dicks are so much bigger than everyone elses...know what I mean...they get all worked up and start lashing out at everything and everyone...they roll up their sleeves and start calling you faggot, pussy...they show their true colors...they're sadists...they believe if they can inflict enough pain or embarrassment that somehow you'll shut up and go away...they think RP's people are meek and mild and not man enough to take on the burden of running an empire...

I remember a co worker who was rabidly Neo Con...asked her about Ron Paul...she sighed and sized me up and told me RP was wrong because of his foreign policy...then she moved closer to me and with an all knowing look told me he doesn't understand how things really work...she said it with a nod and a wink...hint hint...I knew what she meant...thems terrorists gotta be stopped...and then I realized what what RP was up against...the military industrial complex...the prison industrial complex that runs things back in the homeland...the bloated pigs who wear battle gear when they take down the neighborhood pot dealer...

Sadists and sociopaths...

Of course blow back, the Constitution and the triffling fact that the US is broke and insolvent doesn't mean anything to them...

Sun, 05/13/2012 - 19:30 | 2422322 SILVERGEDDON

Every President through modern history has spent money like their hair was on fire. No exceptions. And, Congress approved an endless litany of unbalanced deficit spending budgets year after year. They didn't mind creating slavery for the tax payer, and printing free money compliments of the Fed for their banker / Wall Street buddies to bail them out of the mess created by the miracles of deregulation. lobbying, and corruption.
All accomplished regardless of which party or President was in charge. They are all cut from the same block of cheese, and they are all culpable.  I just hope we survive the end result of having criminals running the country for decades. Put your money in something tangible, because the dollar is going to continue to tank, resulting in way more inflation. And, banks may not survive the firestorm of margin lending, credit default swaps, and derivatives created that exceed 250 quadrillion dollars in total  - more money than the gross domestic product of the entire planet for decades.  

The Federal Reserve is neither Federal nor a "Reserve". This private bank run by the "Bank of England" has been stripping the US of its assets since the days of Andrew Jackson.  If the $16,000,000,000,000.00 given away secretly, since 2007, to the member banks isn't reason enough to overhaul our entire government financial system then our country is doomed to financial failure.
You won't read this in the mainstream media....but it may emerge in the coming elections. Read about the first ever audit of the Fed and understand why we are in such trouble. Then, you might just want Ron to tilt against the fucking establishment windmill before Rome, USA  burns to the ground.


Sun, 05/13/2012 - 19:26 | 2422317 SILVERGEDDON

No one gets out of here alive. Feed all politicians through airport snow blowers, and turn them into something useful - cat food. Same with religious leaders. The world would be a better place for normal ordinary people. 

Sun, 05/13/2012 - 16:05 | 2421843 Amagnonx
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It still amazes me to read people who dont understand what RP is.  "He's a nutcase - isolationist - kook - etc."


He is the only person who is running who is not bought and paid for by the slave owners - those who own you, and unfortunatly me also - though I'm a fairly disobedient slave.


Its also strange to me that people still believe that Iran is some kind of threat - to whom?  It is a threat to the slave owners thats for sure - but it is no threat to normal people anywhere.

The alquaida are the CIA, they are supposedly being hunted - at the same time they are still being trained and armed to overthrow Syria by the US govt.


It is difficult to share a world with the kind of minds that are 50 yrs behind the game.  RP should win - I believe he has the votes and the delegates - and I think he could achieve things by talking directly to the people.


However - unless people are willing to break, destroy and burn the electronic voting machines - then the voting is a waste of time, because they will simply program them to elect the puppet of their chosing.

Sun, 05/13/2012 - 18:51 | 2422248 Xkwisetly Paneful
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Want 40yrs behind the times?

Pretend US troops stationed abroad are there for imperialistic reasons.

Want more?

Keep advocating back to a gold standard or some other stupid shit that sees access to capital by the masses completely gone as it rots on a shelf somewhere.

It is difficult to share the world with myopic insecure fanatics who need constant reaffirmation of their delusions via the internet.

No net , what happens? Muttering balled up in the fetal position in a gutter somewhere? Something along the lines of-Oh but one can run a country with no banking system or military -just watch.

Sun, 05/13/2012 - 18:51 | 2422254 akak
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My name is Xtremely Paneful, and I believe in the status-quo! 

I believe!  I BELIEVE!!

Sun, 05/13/2012 - 19:03 | 2422272 Xkwisetly Paneful
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Status quo? RP is establishment and has been during this obscene run of exponential government growth.

Nice long leap there with that projection. 

Sorry, didn't mean to get in the way of the zerobrains affirmation process.

Voila, lookie, lookie, others who suspend disbelief and anything remotely resembling reason agree with me-

yay! maybe they will click their mouse on the up arrow and reward my stopping by to re affirm their ludicrous notions as well.

Sun, 05/13/2012 - 19:12 | 2422291 akak
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Another gibbering, nonsensical baboon-man.

It may interest you to know that you have an apparently long-lost twin brother in China.  Just look for the guy squatting on the side of a road while furiously trolling ZeroHedge and spouting meaningless crap about "US Citizenism".

Sun, 05/13/2012 - 19:23 | 2422305 Xkwisetly Paneful
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mommy, mommy, mommy someone here refuses to go bang their skull against the walll 1000times before posting.

IT may interest you to know, that you have an apparently long lost tribe of like minded deluded fanatics.  Just look for the little up arrows at

Sun, 05/13/2012 - 19:27 | 2422313 akak
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A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

Lucky you, being free of that particular worry.

Sun, 05/13/2012 - 19:29 | 2422321 Xkwisetly Paneful
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Posted like a rocket surgeon, brain scientist!

At some point a proprietary concept will emerge but anyone holding their breath will die.

Now see how many more idiotic posts it takes for little akak to get his daily dose of positive reinforcement.

O/U knowing the posting history of nit imbecile-

14 1/2 -115 each way.


Mon, 05/14/2012 - 03:40 | 2422898 MeelionDollerBogus
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Dude. You're an idiot. That's just how it is. Everything you wrote is 100% provably wrong. Go back to kindergarten, you really don't belong at zerohedge acting like this. What you are belongs in a caricature from WilliamBanzai7 but you aren't famous / destructive enough to merit such an award.

Sun, 05/13/2012 - 20:08 | 2422371 besnook
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you are right. it is different this time.


defending the status quo is the no brainer position. taking any other position is where the rocket scientist and brain surgeon find the breakthroughs.


you serve a good purpose, however. it is helpful to be reminded the status quo is suffering a brain drain.



Sun, 05/13/2012 - 18:57 | 2422263 TheFourthStooge-ing
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That's because drinking the status quo kool-aid is comforting for those who find thinking to be Xseppshunally Panefool.


Sun, 05/13/2012 - 19:05 | 2422275 Xkwisetly Paneful
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social welfare=2/3rds of the federal budget not called interest or military spending.

foreign aid=less than 1% of that.

I know how fucking confusing this all happens to be, would be why one would post idiotic questions from time to time.

Sun, 05/13/2012 - 19:54 | 2422350 TheFourthStooge-ing
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social welfare=2/3rds of the federal budget not called interest or military spending.

foreign aid=less than 1% of that.

Non sequitur.

I know how fucking confusing this all happens to be, would be why one would post idiotic questions from time to time.

This does not parse. The portion before the comma makes sense, especially coming from you. The portion following the comma is a sentence fragment appended to the first part and has no discernable connection to the first part.

But hey, at least you're Xsightedlee Antissipayteeng Hiye Skuwel Grajooayshun (finally).


Sun, 05/13/2012 - 19:16 | 2422293 akak
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And who here said ANYTHING about foreign aid as it pertains to the US federal budget deficit and debt, moron?

Wow, you are really one dim bulb, aren't you.

Sun, 05/13/2012 - 20:02 | 2422369 TheFourthStooge-ing
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akak noted:

Wow, you are really one dim bulb, aren't you.

I've seen brighter fireflies.


Sun, 05/13/2012 - 19:19 | 2422299 Xkwisetly Paneful
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THe other guy did last week,

but thanks for playing.

Wow you really are after that anonymous internet poster positive reinforcement today aren't you?


Sun, 05/13/2012 - 19:25 | 2422310 akak
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Oh, the other guy, and last week too --- thanks for clarifying that.

And here silly ol' me expected responses to MY comments to follow those comments, not to receive responses from somebody else's comments of last week.  Such linear thinking --- I really need to shake that nasty logic habit already.

Sun, 05/13/2012 - 19:27 | 2422316 Xkwisetly Paneful
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The response was directly under the other guy's post nit imbecile.

Is the forum structure conspiring against you now?

Oh no what to do next to reinforce the mind of moron?

Sun, 05/13/2012 - 20:01 | 2422365 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Xasspurratingley Pitawful grunted:

Is the forum structure conspiring against you now?

...said the guy responding to some unknown other post from last week.

Xtroardenairily Butthedded.


Sun, 05/13/2012 - 19:15 | 2422266 strannick
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America. Wakey wakey.

Ron Paul is your last chance and only hope.

Obamney and Ronbama are two dipshit Keynsian sides of the same bankster shitcoin.

Time to crack the covers of that dusty misplaced tome you call the Constitution.

Or just trust that Jamie Slimon and Loyd Blankenstein have your best interests at heart.

Sun, 05/13/2012 - 17:35 | 2422091 Smokey1
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Ron Paul is correct.

Radical Islam poses no threat. Iran is not the largest state sponsor of terrorism in the world, and this morning I had breakfast with Elvis and Bigfoot.

Sun, 05/13/2012 - 18:21 | 2422197 akak
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Actually, PoleSmoker, it is the USA that is by far the largest sponsor of terrorism in the world.

Oh, but that's right --- neocons and their mindless, spineless lackies such as you call it "spreading democracy"and  "pre-emptive war" and "regime change" and "nation building" and "anti-insurgency" and "extradition" and "enhanced interrogation" and "indefinite detention" when it is WE (the armed forces of the USA) who are doing it, as opposed to them.

Sun, 05/13/2012 - 18:47 | 2422245 bill1102inf
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We save Kuwait from Sadam and protect Saudi from Sadam, but we do not demand their oil as payment. We conquer the freaking country of IRAQ and do not TAKE one stinking drop of their oil. We can literally bring almost any country to its knees with our power, yet we choose not too.... TERRORISTS??? More like Vajayjays at the highest level of politics.  


I guess we were terrorists too when we rid the world of Nazi's.  We should have joined forces with them, we would have owned the entire world and the only slaves would be the people who pump our liquid energy from the earth.

Wed, 05/16/2012 - 01:43 | 2422899 MeelionDollerBogus
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Kuwait horizontally drilled into an Iraqi oil field. Any nation such as Iraq is 100% justified in taking military action to stop this resource theft.

Right now America = Nazi.

j p morgan drinks your milkshake - I DRINK IT UP

Sun, 05/13/2012 - 18:57 | 2422260 akak
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"We can literally bring almost any country to its knees with our power, yet we choose not too...."

Yet "we" chose to do EXACTLY that, and do in fact bring country after country to its knees ... again and again and again ...."

Remind me again about the "weapons of mass destruction" in Iraq that were used to justify our invasion and (ongoing) occupation of that nation .... or the reasons for the ongoing 10+ year occupation of Afghanistan ... or the rationalizations used to participate in the "NATO" campaign in Libya .... and on and on and on. 

Endless war: a wet dream for statists of all stripes.

Sun, 05/13/2012 - 19:19 | 2422298 strannick
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Ak. your best rebuttal is simply watching them reply. Save yourself the effort grab some chips sit back and chuckle. 

Sun, 05/13/2012 - 19:20 | 2422301 akak
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Indeed, watching idiots make fools of themselves can be Xtremely entertaining.

Sun, 05/13/2012 - 19:25 | 2422311 Xkwisetly Paneful
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WOW get dumped last night?

This is approaching record insecurity even for a know nothing nit imbecile like you.


Sun, 05/13/2012 - 19:30 | 2422319 akak
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Isn't it awfully difficult to type while in a straight-jacket?

Sun, 05/13/2012 - 19:17 | 2422295 Xkwisetly Paneful
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Yea and Saddam wasn't funding terrorism nor ever would,

because afterall Iran hasn't been waging war against the US via proxy for decades either.

Syria wasn't arming/funding the Sunnis and Iran wasn't funding/arming the Shiias and probably the Shiities too.

the folks blowing themselves up on Main St Bagdad against trained volunteers wouldn't otherwise be doing so in Des Moines absent Iraq,

and it not like the US never sold Iraq WMD.

The best of all though is, of course it is all random happenstance, he gone and opens the doors for others gone.

When was the last time the US expanded it's borders? Fucking hilarious given the entire US existence is for war purposes.

Almost forgot the US invaded Afghanistan for oil, because afterall they planned and executed 9/11 to save the petro dollar, same petro dollar who's relevance is largely unchanged over the last 100yrs.  Obviously 9/11 was a government job, otherwise they would have just used Iraqis instead of coke snorting Saudis and it hardly matters that they hardly needed any excuse anyway, 19 UN resolutilons over 4 administrations is not enough. Taking out Daffy without barely a peep to the people isn't really indicative of the suspension of disbelief that takes place when one suggests not only that the government was behind 9/11 but needed such an act to begin with.

Good thing France et al were around to balk about the action, it's not like they and the RUssians reaped billions off the corrupt food for oil program or anything.


The key is the US invented war and without it, there would be none and the world would love and adore the US.



Sun, 05/13/2012 - 18:09 | 2422185 DosZap
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Of the MANY things I do agree with RP on, this is not one.

 Iran, has been caught red handed so many times supplying weapons,( IRAQ, HAMAS,Taliban,Syrians, its a joke to suggest otherwise.

Just today, a newscast was made that a particular jig of sorts NEEDED for testing nuke blast waves, was made known to be in their posesssion.............. I am sure for peaceful reasons.

IRAN, is on a mission, and if you think for one second those Persians get nukes, and do not intend to blackmail the hell out of the world, your in latter stages of dementia. They will make NK look like Romper Room.

Mon, 05/14/2012 - 03:46 | 2422901 MeelionDollerBogus
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EVERYONE has been caught red-handed selling weapons - USA, Russia, China, North Korea, Iran, Iraq, Britain, France... YOU NAME THE NATION, they have arms dealers. All arms dealers sell to TERRORISTS. EVERY LAST ONE.

You fall off the turnip truck last night?

Sun, 05/13/2012 - 19:03 | 2422273 supermaxedout
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Iran is on a mission thats true. They do not want to become the slaves of the US/UK political criminals.  Once the US would leave the Middle East things would become much easier for the whole area. The same accounts for South Korea, Taiwan, Japan and the Philippines. These countries would be very happy to see the US leave that area better today than tomorow.

The whole area would quick increase their dependence upon each other and war would not be an option anymore.

By the way, Japan, China and South Korea want to unite in a economic bloc, similar to the EU in its early years. Thats the news of today. This is where we are heading. These countries will then simply not anymore use the US Dollar as medium of exchange among them. They are going to introduce fixed rates among them just like it begun in the EU.

Plus China is buying oil from Iran and paying in gold or yuan. The same does India by paying in Rupees and gold. .  So Japan is buying oil from Iran and paying via China in Yuan, which then Iran is using to buy goods in China.

Things are changing quick and it does look darker and darker for the role of the US Dollar as the worlds money.   The Euro zone is till now the last important region which is not jumping on the already rolling train of the new currency exchange reality. They will be the last one because they will only dare to do it when they can not avoid it. Just like Japan did it now. Japan is simply at the end under the current Dollar system. Otherwise they would have never dared to offend the US which is still occupying Japan and does not make attempts to draw down.




Sun, 05/13/2012 - 16:13 | 2421862 F. Bastiat
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You're a kook. Seriously.

Sun, 05/13/2012 - 16:52 | 2421966 knightowl77
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If you vote for the establishment candidate, you vote for the staus quo....If you're happy with the choices you have, go with that....


All my life the choice has been between the lesser of two evils, or between dumb and dumber...That has only gotten us to where we are today. I reject that option, since it has been demonstrated repeatedly to be a failure. Me, I will vote for a better option, RP. You do what you want.

Sun, 05/13/2012 - 16:55 | 2421973 F. Bastiat
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Dr. Paul's been in Congress for 30 some years. It doesn't get any more "status quo" than that, frankly.

Sun, 05/13/2012 - 17:06 | 2421992 thurstjo63
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Amusing to say the least that first you use the monicer of one of the great libertarian figures of all time to denigrate THE only candidate whose been consistently fighting and voting for your freedoms as well as the organised theft which is the federal reserve for 30 years. And you call him status quo?!? Frankly, you're an embarassment to even associate yourself with Frederic Bastiat! It's obvious that you're clueless as to who Bastiat is and what he represents.

Sun, 05/13/2012 - 17:26 | 2422071 F. Bastiat
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The issue isn't Dr. Paul's message; it's the messenger.  He's just not very good.

Sun, 05/13/2012 - 17:36 | 2422099 akak
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If you feel that you could do significantly better, the podium is there for the taking.

Sun, 05/13/2012 - 17:50 | 2422143 Lost Wages
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No reason to take it personally. When Ron Paul is debating, arguing, he has a hard time staying on topic and jumps from tangent to tangent. It's hard for people to understand his points if they aren't already like-minded.

Sun, 05/13/2012 - 18:14 | 2422193 akak
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Actually, I agree with you on those points, and Ron Paul does have a problem debating in this age of TV soundbites and 10-second attention spans.  I am just tired of RP-bashing trolls feigning support for him while simultaneously attacking and undermining both him and his "rabid" and "kooky" supporters.

Sun, 05/13/2012 - 18:24 | 2422210 fourchan
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its true, the stupid who are bad with concepts as a rule have a hard time with rp.


Sun, 05/13/2012 - 14:59 | 2421670 Bagbalm
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Vote wrong and you will get a life altering wedgie.

Sun, 05/13/2012 - 15:51 | 2421804 Michael
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Rule 38 is put in place to prevent mass brainwashing of the people by the mainstream media to vote for an evil person for president.

Ron Paul delegates are not brain washable.

Do NOT follow this link or you will be banned from the site!