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Republican Delegates Can Ignore Any “Committment” to Vote for Mitt Romney, and Can Instead Vote for Ron Paul If They Want
We noted last week that it’s still possible for Ron Paul to score an upset win over Mitt Romney.
Indeed, the nonpartisan Center for Voting and Democracy (CVAD) reported last December that the the legal counsel for the Republican National Convention said delegates can vote for whoever they want at the National Convention:
As set out in the Rules of the Republican Party, delegates have the ability to vote according to the delegates’ preference, even if that is contrary to the outcome of each state’s primary. According to one source, the legal counsel for the Republican National Convention in 2008 stated: “[The] RNC does not recognize a state’s binding of national delegates, but considers each delegate a free agent who can vote for whoever they choose.” Thus, if a delegate were to challenge his or her ability to vote as a free agent, he or she would have grounds under Rule 38.
Ironically, the legal counsel rendered her opinion when a Utah delegate wanted to vote for Mitt Romney in the face of the Utah delegation as a whole going for John McCain.
CVAD continues:
For further clarification on the meaning of Rule 38, it is instructive to look to the debate in 1964 when the RNC debated whether to strike the Rule 38 language from a proposed amendment that was adopted that year. The debate begins on page 64 of this source. The RNC voted 59 to 41 to keep the rule in the amendment, noting that it helped to clarify a longstanding practice that a delegate was free to take exception to the roll call, and was free to vote his or her preference. Those who sought to strike the rule feared that its inclusion in the rules would give delegates freedom from both a non-existent legal obligation and a moral obligation to vote according to instructions from their state. However, even these opponents of the rule admitted that there never has been any legal obligation for a delegate to do so.
In other words, all Republican delegates – no matter what state they are in – can vote their conscience … even if someone tells them they have to vote for a particular candidate.
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great point
i want a rule 38 tee shirt.
"May the father of all mercies scatter light and not darkness in our paths, and make us all in our several vocations useful here, and in his own due time and way everlastingly happy."
George Washington
http://forward.com/articles/156054/washingtons-iconic-letter-to-be-displ...
Has anyone ever done handwriting analysis on that letter? I think it's a forgery. It doesn't exist in history until some Jewish scholar pulled it out his ass in the late 19th century.
Right. An old letter from GW is part of the international Jewish conspiracy to take over the world. Jesus, can't you get more original than that? And glad you are privy to all the inside secrets (insert appropriate You Tube URL here as "evidence")
You went quiet. You ok?
Yeah, the letter just showed up by a miracle.
The American Jew as patriot, soldier and citizen, 1895
"When Washington had concluded his labors in the field of war and had attained deserved civic honors, and when laurels were showered upon him from all quarters the Hebrews joined their fellow-citizens in felicitating the hero and statesman.
The following correspondence is collated from The United States Gazette, of i790; a partial file of this paper can be found in the Congressional Library. It is strange that the letters are not all to be found in books in which the Washington correspondence are compiled.
The original letter addressed to the " Beth Elohim " congregation of Charleston, S. C., was carefully preserved among the many other valuable records of that city, but was destroyed by the great fire of i838. The Mayor of Charleston endeavored to obtain a copy from the general government, but after a thorough examination of the records, no such document could be found. After a prolonged search, however, the present writer was enabled to discover the missing document, and was well rewarded with the thanks of the authorities of Charleston. (Year-Book of the City of Charleston for i884, page 280.)"
oh yes, and about that taxpayer bailout of GM:
Ally Financial's mortgage unit nears bankruptcy: sourceshttp://finance.yahoo.com/news/ally-financials-mortgage-unit-nears-163855...
Mean they can pervert the idea of representative government even further?
This is an excellent path for you to continue down.
As a Paul supporter, I have to agree. Imagine the fury if GW had posted, "RP supporters can vote for Romney". Ron's biggest problem (besides his supporters) is his party stand. He asks for the nomination but consistently refuses to back the nominee, an extremely difficult position to support. He should either back the nominee or run as a Libertarian (my choice). I support RP despite his anti-abortion, pro-Christian stands because the whole is more important than individual parts. But for RP rabid supporters it's all or nothing.
Getting Fox on the iPhone 24/7?
Mittens is not the nominee, he is the heavily marketed product who wishes to be the anointed.
"As a Paul supporter" my ass!
Do you REALLY think that a transparently malicious, disingenuous, dishonest troll such as yourself is not instantly obvious to anyone with at least three or four firing neurons?
"RP rabid supporters" kind of says it all.
Allow me to translate: "Yes, by all means, support your (properly pro-Establishment) candidate --- just don't support him too much! Heaven forbid you actually find a candidate who is willing to speak the truth, confront and condemn evil in the guise of authority, and challenge the out-of-control growth of government!"
so following rules is a bad thing? romney had the same opportunity to follow the rules and he couldn't find the people to help him. this has on e of two interpretations or both. either he did not actually have the popular support that the caucus or primary votes led everyone to believe or he has a an abysmal organization(not contrained by money like santorum or gingrich) or both.
C'mon. Let GW hyperventilate. I understand that the real George Washington's 1000 rpms in the grave powers this imposter's home.
Ron Paul will never be elected President.
Now go back to your Call of Duty, bitchez.
Well, Dr. Paul's had 30-some odd years to do something, anything, and he hasn't gotten anything done. Frankly, the problem appears not to be the message per se, but the messenger.
Again with the kneejerk pro-Establishment "He ain't got anything done" meme!
Firstly, idiots such as yourself only seem to be able to judge a politician by the extent to which he has written new bills and new laws, and enhanced and entrenched his own power, and more generally that of government itself. Ron Paul, on the other hand (as well as his supporters) considers the ultimate goal to be the diminution of governmental power, NOT is growth! Freedom can only grow at the expense of the power of institutionalized coercion, i.e. government.
Secondly, Ron Paul has managed to start a principled pro-liberty political movement that has been spreading like wildfire, and which from all appearances scares the status-quo political establishment to death, as it should --- I would hardly consider that "nothing".
More failure of logic and insight on your part --- as usual.
Spreading like wildfire? To where? Zero Hedge Threads? While I personally agree with many of Dr. Paul's messages, the problem is the messenger. He's just not the guy to lead the liberty charge.
F. Basiat
He's just not the guy to lead the liberty charge.
the problem is the messenger.......................
Well dude, like it or not,he's the ONLY REAL one we have had in my LONG lifetime, at least since Dwight David.
It is the "take no prisoners" responses by "supporters" like you that so alienate the general public. Ron's worst enemy are his own rabid supporters. Most folks don't like to be told that because they disagree with a politician they are stupid, evil, dumb and immoral.
And it is the eternally comprising, vacillating, submissive, kneel-before-power, go-with-the-herd, "see no evil, hear no evil" nature of the lemminglike supporters of the corrupt and demonstrably failing status-quo which justifiably elicits such strong responses from those with intelligence, integrity and any minimal sense of moral outrage, and who have been awakened from their corporate-controlled-media slumber and their welfare/warfare political establishment brainwashing.
The fact is, many in the public DESERVE to be chastised and condemned when, after being confronted with the manifest lies, crimes and manipulations of the current financial and political status-quo elite, they knowingly or cowardly chose to stand with the forces of evil. It is a proven fact that throughout history, a significant segment of any population, a majority in fact, will almost ALWAYS chose to side with Establishment Power, no matter how corrupt, malicious, or destructive it may be.
Yes, keep on supporting the (ever so slightly) lesser of two evils, and you will only continue to reap evil as a reward.
Ron Paul is only the next convenient choice for so-called "conservatives" who feel disenfranchised. You worship him like a messiah, but he is incapable of saving you. His supporters are just as lemminglike and submissive as anyone voting for Obamney, unwilling to take their lives in their own hands and live in true state of freedom and anarchy. They see the next convenient answer on TV in the form of Ron Paul, build an idealized image of him in their head where he can do or speak no wrong, then go on to fanatically support him, as if he is the only one with the answers.
Ron Paul says some good things. Ron Paul says some stupid things. I suspect he'd be as likely to keep his promises as anyone else: not at all. If he did, you'd see him quickly come down with a mysterious, quick-acting form of cancer or have a heart attack. Natural causes, of course. It can all be blamed on his age.
It still bemuses me to see confused right wingers combining their imaginary Christian Conservative In God We Trust Ethics with Atheist Ayn Rand Laizzez Faire Capitalism. I think Ben Bernanke is a lot more like Jesus than you would like to admit. The TBTF banks are his diciples, he's all-forgiving and he can endlessly reprint loaf and fish dollars until all the insiders are fully capitalized. Then they proceed to go Old Testament on the rest of us, where if you fail to pay your bills you're struck with lightning, turned into a pillar of salt and given the mark of the beast: a leprous bankruptcy on your credit report for 10-years.
If you want to regain your country, you need to throw out the top people and start over. This includes Ron Paul. How small can your government be if you're going to monitor every woman's uterus and how free can you be if homosexuals can't get married? Why should the market be free, but the people still in prison? The Christian side of his ethics don't have anything to do with liberty. He's a prime example of the American ethical contradiction.
I think you don't quite get it.
An America where a President Ron Paul can't fix anything is an America that will look like SOMALIA.
"I think Ben Bernanke is a lot more like Jesus than you would like to admit."
No, but seeing him nailed to a cross would go a long way towards making your assumption a viable one.
No doubt. While I think Dr. Paul's got a pretty good message, he's not been successful at anything associated with it other than talking about it. The role of a leader is to persuade others and to bring them along to your way of doing things. While Dr. Paul's a nice guy, but he's an abject failure as a leader. That said, there is a role for him to play in a Mitt administration - Treasury Secretary, perhaps?
Feel free to list his "accomplishements" toward that objective - which is an objective I personally agree with.
While Romney's not perfect he is most certainly a serious individual with a proven history of leadership and no personal attack vectors outside of high-school pranks.
While Dr. Paul talks the talk, he most definitely does not walk the walk, so to speak.
Where the fuck have you been? Glued to CNBC? You display the logic or a 1 yr old labrodor.
Sure... if you call singling out gays and pinning them down to shave their heads, as a "high school prank" I'd agree with you.
And this is what we've come accept as our possible leader of the free world? Seriously?
I'd rather have a rambling old man with questionable leadership skills and a penchant for understanding what liberty really means.
Hell, Hitler was a serious man with proven leadership skills... and he wasn't perfect, either.
This country is too corrupt to elect and honest man-nevertheless we will keep trying. It ain't over until the fat lady sings, .
it will have just begun when the fat lady realizes automatic weapons can support a sweet melody.
One day when it is far too late the American people will erect a statue of Ron Paul.
The GOP is made up of muppets. I am not wasting any calories voting or participating. I am going to focus on stacking up as much Ag as possible.
Republicans can't say tax cuts create jobs, and Ron Paul is not going to matter. If Republicans don't nominate Mitt, what other clown will they nominate? Oh, wait. Jeb Bush is fine, but it's only going to take a photoshop of the dry drunk former president's head alongside Jeb, and it's over. Unless David Plouffe and David Axelrod can be bargained with, which I doubt.
We can say that increasing taxes reduces jobs......How does the government spending our money make more sense than, us spending OUR money?
Jeb Bush was a drug dealer in his youth--in the finest tradition od Skull N Bones whose founders ran the North American opium trade in the 1840's. If you like Jeb Bush -or any member of the Bush crime family -you are totally ignorant or corrupt.
The only people who seriously think that Jeb is a possibility are the dweebs who spend nearly all their lives living inside the beltway. At least 43% of the voting public would be dead set against, and I suspect the average person on the street in flyover country has enough grey matter to comprehend that 2 is enough.
Nevertheless, it is hard to ecape the conclusion that our government has become a hereditary peerage; the Senate is essentially a House of Lords. We may as well petition to join the Commonwealth in the hopes of getting a real set of Royals we can Ooh and Ahh over.
Richard Lugar didn't get past the primary (this time!)
Ben Swann video on topic:
http://www.dailypaul.com/232576/may-10-2012-ben-swann-reality-check-all-...
Minor problem with the article...
Romney won Utah in 2008, NOT McCain.
http://www.uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/state.php?fips=49&year=2008&f=0&off=0&elect=2
There are only two choices CFR globalist fascists or Ron Paul
True, but in the November election you can always vote for someone like Ralph Nader, Cynthia McKinney-or now Gary Johnson of the Libertarians. Otherwise -you do have a choice-vote for the black CFR globalist fascist, or the white CFR globalist fascist.
Actually, we have more choices- the Muslim/Christian bisexual CFR globalist fascist, or the Mormon heterosexual CFR globalist fascist.
Pretty sure Mittster is in the closet.
Rick Perry is in there with him. Hugging that bottle of syrup was just Weird.
There is no such thing as globalist fascist.
I realize since the anti right wing brainwashing starts while in the womb and continues on through one's lifetime it is extremely difficult to pin anything on the left of center unless they are self admitted like Mao and Stalin. However, the only way they could distance themselves was by declaring totalitarian nationalistic states as fascist and not marxist or communist, merely because they were nationalistic. Machiavelli, Benito, Dolph et al are only fascist because of the supposed love of country on the agenda instead of one world order. IT is fairly obvious the rulers du jour are after one world order.
How did you get so smart?
Oceania has ALWAYS been at war with Eurasia!
MiniLove still has a room reserved for you: Room 101.
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as if when ron paul gets elected, CFR is going to go away?
CFR is funded and was led 45 years by Rockefeller. They are not going to go away just because some Dr. gets elected into presidency. CFR includes ex-presidents, CIA directors, ivy university presidents, banksters, etc.
When Ron Paul becomes the president, he will realize US is broke, Americans want more than they earn, and only way to stay in power so that he can do other things in his office (like tackle Fed Reserve's power) is to rape oil from arabs.
Plus, CFR will just admit Ron Paul into its membership and force him to sell out to achieve few of his higher priorities. That's how the game works.
"When Ron Paul becomes the president, he will realize US is broke, Americans want more than they earn, and only way to stay in power so that he can do other things in his office (like tackle Fed Reserve's power) is to rape oil from arabs."
Ron Paul already knows this and maintaining power is not what he is seeking. What he seeks is a platform to espouse his views, kind of like Ross Perot was able to do by virtue of his personal wealth. RP's #1 goal is not to be president but to get his message to the sheeple, which is why he and his delegates are taking the fight to the convention floor. If they have to get ugly and disrupt the Romney coronation to do that, they will.
I was a delegate in 2008 (for Romeny) and was horrified at how the Ron Paul people were treated and ignored anything that they had to say....Some party that won't listen to a minority voice at its own convention, will never listen to a minority voice after that....
The convention is the time not to shut up, to be loud, to be vocal and get the establishment to pay more than lip service to our concerns....or we will take our toys and go home and good luck with BHO
Yes, they can vote for Ron Paul if they want.
Ron Paul has as much chance of winning as JFK does.
Listen up, all you legions of deluded fools. Ron Paul is NOT going to be president now or ever.
Get the fuck over it. You fucking idiots have been whining for a year now that Ron has a legitimate chance to be POTUS. You are STUPID.
I fucking knew when I saw last year that Ron Paul was threatening to run in 2012, that there would be thousands of you fucking idiots swarming the board here for your Savior, and how the mumble-mouth fool would usher in a Golden Age.
What a crock of shit. Put that isolationist cocksucker in power and his first act as president would be to arm Iran and Al-Qaeda with nukes just to be fair. Next he'd yank all troops from overseas and then wonder why Iran shuts the straits and why Saudi Arabia says tough shit America, no more oil for you.
Ron Paul is a narcissistic short-sighted fool who does not have a fucking clue about global trade or about human nature in general. He runs for office because he knows that a small segment of society thinks his shit doesn't stink. If that foolish cocksucker were elected, world markets would crash before he took the oath. That is simply a fact, no matter how badly you want to believe otherwise.