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Republican Delegates Can Ignore Any “Committment” to Vote for Mitt Romney, and Can Instead Vote for Ron Paul If They Want
We noted last week that it’s still possible for Ron Paul to score an upset win over Mitt Romney.
Indeed, the nonpartisan Center for Voting and Democracy (CVAD) reported last December that the the legal counsel for the Republican National Convention said delegates can vote for whoever they want at the National Convention:
As set out in the Rules of the Republican Party, delegates have the ability to vote according to the delegates’ preference, even if that is contrary to the outcome of each state’s primary. According to one source, the legal counsel for the Republican National Convention in 2008 stated: “[The] RNC does not recognize a state’s binding of national delegates, but considers each delegate a free agent who can vote for whoever they choose.” Thus, if a delegate were to challenge his or her ability to vote as a free agent, he or she would have grounds under Rule 38.
Ironically, the legal counsel rendered her opinion when a Utah delegate wanted to vote for Mitt Romney in the face of the Utah delegation as a whole going for John McCain.
CVAD continues:
For further clarification on the meaning of Rule 38, it is instructive to look to the debate in 1964 when the RNC debated whether to strike the Rule 38 language from a proposed amendment that was adopted that year. The debate begins on page 64 of this source. The RNC voted 59 to 41 to keep the rule in the amendment, noting that it helped to clarify a longstanding practice that a delegate was free to take exception to the roll call, and was free to vote his or her preference. Those who sought to strike the rule feared that its inclusion in the rules would give delegates freedom from both a non-existent legal obligation and a moral obligation to vote according to instructions from their state. However, even these opponents of the rule admitted that there never has been any legal obligation for a delegate to do so.
In other words, all Republican delegates – no matter what state they are in – can vote their conscience … even if someone tells them they have to vote for a particular candidate.
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Fuck em all - I just absentee voted in my presidential primary and wrote in RP, and I'm a registered dumbacrat.
law of physics
would a 100,000 dollar envelop change your conscience, how about 250,000
for one million would you pull the romny lever
For 5 Million dollars (in gold of course, 1970 prices too) and a dog shock collar that has satelite uplink that will shock that fooker into some sort of senselessness anytime that I see him talking (which of course is when he is lying) - that is what will buy my vote for Romney. Gold / Shock Collar - hellayeah -
BITCHES!!!
It's like that story attributed to Winston Churchill, he asks a woman if she would sleep with him for £ 5 million, she says, Well, yes.
Then he asks if she would sleep with him for £ 5, and she is insulted, and demands, Who does he think she is, a whore?
'Madam, we've already established that, now we are just haggling about the price.'
Winnie was a plain john. He was a morbidly obese and drank and smoked a lot. He was chatting up a female person he wanted to be a hooker. Since he couldn't complete the deal without a cork, the premise is fiction.
Theoretically perhaps, but in reality the delegates arent going to vote for Paul- the repubs hate him. They dont want the Federal government reduced any more then Team Blue does.
Actually, RP may have a few submarine delegates up his sleeve. A lot of people were upset by the bullshit that went down at the individual caucuses in '08. Some have since joined their local parties.
Actually, RP may have a few submarine delegates up his sleeve
Trust me, HE sure does.More than any here think.
A fact.
Actually, three facts.
How will they vote? Follow the money to find your answer. I on the other hand will vote my conscience - Ron Paul 2012.
Go Ron Paul.
I on the other hand will vote my conscience - Ron Paul 2012.
While I always enjoy your posts, and answers, and your right to vote however you choose, this will guarantee the victory of BHO.
Just as Perot did against Bush, and Clinton..............except this time the game is for ALL the marbles.
Why would anyone care whether Obama or Romney wins? They are exactly the same - so saying voting for RP 'ensures' a win for either Obama or Romney is simply saying 'Roll over, lie down and die - because there is nothing you can do.'.
That might be true at the ballot 'machine' - but fighting only when you are sure you are on the 'winning' team sounds a lot like cowardice to me. Those who chose to fight because they believe in liberty, and fight to defend themselves from tyrants care little about the odds - they fight, because not to fight is unthinkable.
Perot didn't do anything to Bush that Bush wasn't a party to... the purpose of the election was to elect a democrat to pass NAFTA and GATT... neither would have happened with a Republican president. Bush threw the election.
Exactly. That's why Buchanan wasn't allowed to win despite his clear popularity at the time. Perot just wasn't in on the game, spoiled it a little and created a scaaaary bedtime story for all the little Elephants from then on.
People should ignore this advice about throwing your vote away by voting for Paul. Nothing will ever change if people feel obliged to vote for Janus (one face Obama, the other Romney).
Hey, William should do a sketch on that: Three way debate, Paul, and Janus. When it's Romney's turn to speak, Obama turns around.
This kind of 'He has a chance, I mean it!' stuff ... Is this helpful wishful thinking, or cruel hopium?
Convention delegates 'voting their conscience' in America ...
Is this as silly as -
... As silly as finding honest US judges who support the US Constitution, or justice for MF Global victims, etc.?
... As silly as finding US major media reporters willing to cover important pro-common-people stories ... like how much millions of Americans love Ron Paul, and why they love him?
How possible is it, that one un-corrupted major US institution has suddenly been discovered?
Do the American oligarchs in fact laugh at all the people spending money and time and effort on the Ron Paul campaign ... the oligarchs knowing in the end they could just get one of their hit squads or mind-control 'lone gunmen' to blow him away ... or grab his home computers and stick kiddie porn on them (handy perhaps at the SEC or DOJ offices) and have the media blast a lot of stories demonising him while they jail him?
Is it better to face the grim reality of American manipulation and 'the rigged game', than to be cruelly disappointed one more time?
This is'nt about winning to me. To me, this is about pushing back. Only fools think a vote for Romney will turn us in the right direction. TPTB are giving us one choice...... either candidate will produce what they want. Sure, my vote for RP may not produce a winner in the WH but that doesn't matter to me anymore. I remember many quotes from founding fathers and hero patriots which inspired me as a kid. They all knew they probably didn't have a snowballs chance in hell unless everything came together at the right time. They took the risk because to was worth it. Besides, you never can tell when another "Battle of King's Mt" event happens and you actually do win the war. If my vote doesn't produce a victory I will still look at myself in the mirror and know that I understand Liberty and did something to preserve it.
I just love the way you said "Liberty", instead of Democracy. Sorta touches me like Gomez when Morticia Adams speaks French.
Do you have a fucking point? You could have simply said "same as it ever was". I don't know about fucktards in brussels, but around my house ethics and morality mean something. Change begins with the individual asshole. But I guess I should not expect anything less from a "bank guy" who probably doesn't care about such things because "everybody does it.". Thanks for re-affirming that the paper-pushers stink of fear. They had a chance the prosecute the fraud in their own ranks and refused to do so. Funny how those "rigged games" tend to bite their owners in the ass. Lone guillotines and all things physical.
Assuming that is rhetorical.
Eurotrash craps any old where, but remember it is the Americans who are the brash, arrogant folk.
It is obvious to even the dimmest eurotrash the US is merely following their already laid out, epic fail path.
The day stupid fucks such as him, stop despising America is the day to start worrying.
leave.
Yeah, what he said.
sunny
... as long as they don't mind having Mitt and a gang of his prep school buddies chasing them around with scissors and messing up their delegate-hair ...
Wishful thinking ... that they can switch to Paul, that is. Being terrorized by Romney's prep school buds, who have all grown up to be the Republican establishment, is a given.
A bunch of Republican establishment prep school guys trying to stop me from a vote for RP in this late hour...Whew! They'd need a special team just to clean the mess off the ceiling. That would actually be kind of fun. I'd get to test out some stuff from that anatomy class in college...
Yes, I hear they're crunchy like crickets, not tough like dogs ;-)