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Will Rogue Fundamentalist Christian Military Leaders Start a Nuclear War in the Middle East?

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Before You Write Off This Threat … Read This

Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev said that if the U.S. invades the sovereignty of countries like Syria or Iran, it could lead to nuclear war.   And see this.

Russia and China have previously stated that an attack on Iran would be considered a direct threat to their national security.

And Iran and Syria have had a mutual defense pact for years. China and Russia might also defend Syria if it is attacked. So an attack on Syria could draw Iran into the war … followed by China and Russia.

The House approved a resolution Thursday preventing containment as a method of making sure that Iran does not obtain nuclear weapons, rejecting:

any policy that would rely on efforts to contain a nuclear weapons-capable Iran.

The next day, the House authorized the use of force against Iran to keep it from developing nukes.

Of course, while the Middle Eastern wars are mainly driven by oil (and perhaps protecting the dollar) – and while real conservatives are anti-war-  many in the U.S. military view the wars as a literal crusade, and see Islam itself as their mortal enemy.

For example, Wired reported last week:

The U.S. military taught its future leaders that a “total war” against the world’s 1.4 billion Muslims would be necessary to protect America from Islamic terrorists, according to documents obtained by Danger Room. Among the options considered for that conflict: using the lessons of “Hiroshima” to wipe out whole cities at once, targeting the “civilian population wherever necessary.”

If this sounds nuts, remember that … and atheist Neocons and Neolibs are using religion to rile them up to justify war against Iran.

And Professor Michel Chossudovsky documents that the U.S. is so enamored with nuclear weapons that it has authorized low-level field commanders to use them in the heat of battle in their sole discretion … without any approval from civilian leaders.

What could possibly go wrong?

 

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Sun, 05/20/2012 - 07:16 | 2444777 JOYFUL
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Dear Fred

while I admire yur contrarian viewpoint, I fear that yur well-known anti-islamic hysteria has made yu much like a "blind fool stmbling for cane"...or cain as the case may be!

Bronfman y Co. [WJC\banalbrith] offed the serial adulterer...the same Bronfman & Schiff franchise what supports the Sonneborn Institute which views the whole of goydom as a vast Killing Fields for the racial hegemonists of the Frankist\Sabbatean faction of the sionist KhymerRouge run outta Montreal\TelAviv....

Cypto-Sephardic LBJ n his gang of ten gallon half wits could'na stuffed the crotch of a $10 hooker in one of Marcellos' Dallas nightclubs...they were that dumb...kinda like yu...

really, yu outta get out more...or[I hate to say it!]maybe watch some TV...think of it as homeopathic medicine!

 alternatively, dial up yur utube, n watch Michael Collins Piper blow yur mind...http://youtu.be/CMbmPMH5KzQ

indeed, my fine feathered friend, there's a whole world out there waitin for you! Fire up that pipe!

Sat, 05/19/2012 - 23:07 | 2444306 world_debt_slave
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I used to be a member of an Independent Fundamental Baptist Church, until I woke up to it's cultish ways. Yes, they believe Israeli's and Israel are the chosen of God and can do no wrong. A "Pastor" (IFBC pastors are self called) claimed Katrina happened because the US took a negative stance against Israel. Most "Christians" believe in the pre-tribulation rapture, 7 years of tribulation then a 1000 year rule by Jesus Christ before the End Time.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 12:07 | 2445163 Boxed Merlot
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pre-tribulation rapture...

 

Perhaps in baptist realms, but in historic christianity, the 1000 year / 3.5-3.5 year stuff is an 1800's US phenomenon and is regarded as erroneous interprtation by most classical theology.  Biblically speaking, it's appointed once for man to die, and after that the judgement. 

The first death can be spiritual after which our judgement is brought on ourselves and works toward our sanctification, in which case the second death has no power. 

Or if one chooses to avoid personal accountability for the 70-80 orbits, death will not be denied the justice due it.

 

just my limited understanding

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 04:42 | 2444704 sessinpo
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I grew up baptist too and am now non denominational. The actualy teaching is that Isael has lost its way. Jesus will not return until Israel recognizes Jesus as the messiah - matthews 23:38-39. Despite what all man can/will do, the new testament says israel will be destroyed once more and it is then the israel will return to the fold and be saved.As

As a christian, I understand this and don't get into the upcoming battles in the ME. If the west does nothing, the muslims will attack or it will be the west attacking in some pre-emptive war. Either way, it is to come.

Sat, 05/19/2012 - 23:42 | 2444314 strannick
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The author 'George Washington' is the rogue progressive. Hes like a modern day Joe McCarthy finding his dastardly 'fundamentalists' (of course his 'Christian' is necessarily synonmous with right wing fundamentalist) under every bed.

Im pretty sure our next genocidal totalitarianism will be our patonizing tax sucking tenured  academics coming down from their ivory towers leading mobs of 'open minded while brain dead' humanities students to purge the world of excessive humanity.

That hoary headed Finn from yesterday can be found on any campus. You think earnest activist academics miss the mark in economics just give them a chance to usher in their brave new world.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 03:21 | 2444649 Colonial Intent
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If they come down from their ivory towers to purge superstitious, morally corrupt, heaven and hell, stick and carrot drones like yourself then i'd join em:)

BTW if you really do believe in goblins, gandalf and ghosts then i have a magic rock that keeps tigers away...............yours for only $99.99

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 10:03 | 2444966 mess nonster
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A magic rock that keeps tigers away???

And you're selling it for only 99.99?

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 11:07 | 2445074 Colonial Intent
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I also have the pinky finger bone of john the baptist

(available in boxes of 100)

Or perhaps you'ld prefer an indulgence for the rape and murder of an unbeliever......

Only 1000 Florints.

Please send all cheques to:

Pope,

Vatican,

Capitol of the world.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 00:10 | 2444413 George Washington
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What if I have worshipped at church many, many times, and accepted Christ as my savior?

But what if I've grown up?

As Christian writer and psychiatrist M. Scott Peck explained, there
are different stages of spiritual maturity. Fundamentalism – whether it
be Muslim, Christian, Jewish or Hindu fundamentalism – is an immature stage of development.

[Remember that Adolph Hitler professed to be a Christian, and churches in Nazi Germany mainly supported Adolph Hitler's unjust fascist policies. And Christian, Jewish and Muslim governments all carry out terror against their own people ... and then try to blame it on the other guy.

There are peaceful, contemplative Muslim sects - think the poet Rumi the poet and Sufis - and violent sects, just as there are contemplative Christian orders and violent Christian sects. ]

Indeed, a Christian
fundamentalist who kills others in the name of religion is much more
similar to a Muslim fundamentalist who kills other in the name of his
religion than to a Christian who peacefully fights for justice and
truth, helps the poor, or serves to bring hope to the downtrodden
.

***

The war on terror is largely a religious war. [Just today, a new report shows that the Air Force uses Christian and Old Testament teachings to justify the launch of nuclear weapons.]

As I pointed out in January:

ABC News is reporting that U.S. military weapons are inscribed with secret ‘Jesus’ Bible codes [the military subsequently endorsed this practice]

Conservative Christians were the biggest backers of the Iraq war …

One of the top Pentagon officials involved in the Iraq war – General William Boykin – literally:

Sees the “war on terror” as a religious war between
Judeo-Christian civilization and Satan, with Islam of course cast in
the latter role.

Jeremy Scahill describes Boykin as:

A Deputy Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence
under Bush. Boykin was part of Donald Rumsfeld’s inner circle at the
Pentagon where he was placed in charge of hunting “high-value targets.”
Boykin was one of the key U.S. officials in establishing what critics
alleged was death-squad-type activity in Iraq.

Boykin’s crusade is also important because one of his assigned jobs was:

Speeding up the flow of intelligence on terrorist
leaders to combat teams in the field so that they can attack
top-ranking terrorist leaders. It can easily be speculated that it is
this urgency to obtain intelligence, and an uncompromising religious
outlook backed by a [crusader] mentality, that has led to the lower
echelons in the US military to adopt Saddam Hussein-like brutalities.

Moreover, the U.S. military has just been busted trying to convert Afghanis to Christianity (the same thing happened in Iraq).

As Scahill notes:

What’s more, the center of this evangelical operation is at the huge US base at Bagram, one of the main sites used by the US military to torture and indefinitely detain prisoners.

The bottom line is that – while torture was ordered by the highest level Bush administration officials in order to create a false link between 9/11 and Iraq – it seems like many of those who enthusiastically rallied around torture looked at it, literally, as a religious crusade.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 04:44 | 2444707 sessinpo
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"[Remember that Adolph Hitler professed to be a Christian,"

Comment:

These kind of statements are complete drivel. You judge people by their actions.

 

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 09:15 | 2444890 nmewn
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Quite so.

An evil meglomaniac seeking world domination telling a lie would be a shocking turn of events ;-)

I might add, a head shrinker (a psychologist's) ruminations on any religion should be taken for what it is, one mans opinion, holding no more weight than any other mortal man until you take the pills he prescribes to influence your mind...lol.

I'm not sure what the point of this article is.

Our army does not march on the orders of the pope or imam. Or carry a cross or crescent moon before it. It's a national flag at the front of it and they all volunteer. And the men & women following it (the flag) are of all religions (or none) and ethnicities.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 00:25 | 2444435 Freddie
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You have no clue about Islam and I loathe neocons.   You are also a moron for quoting the left wing neocon and American Israel/Saudi TV media.   ABC News?  Do you know who is the biggest shareholder now in Disney?  Saudi Arabia.  You really are a dumb f**k.  You quote Huffington Post which was backed by Saudi money for Obama over Hillary.  You have no clue.

I agree with some of your points but Christian generals nuking - get a grip.  More than a few know the score and they don't trust Israel.  Our sons are over there to protect Israel and Saudi Arabia against the Shia plus oil.  The Saudis and Israel are also far closer than most people know.  Most of you libtar f**ks point here have no clue about Sunni and Shia and what is going on.  Save me this f***ing peaceful islam crap as well.  It is not a religion.  It is basedon Arab tribalism and conquest but you are to dumb to ready anoything except media agitprop.

BTW - someone mentioned Santorum.  He was NOT getting money from Sheldon Adelson like Romney and Gingrich.  Santorum is not a neocon nor is Ron Paul.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 00:27 | 2444427 strannick
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'What if you've grown up?' Good question.

As for your quoting from a study from an egghead professor Peck on what constitutes genuine spiritual experience, well thats pretty much what I'd expect. You dont have to delve too far into a Gospel to realize murder isnt part of the program.

 

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 03:28 | 2444655 Colonial Intent
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"You dont have to delve too far into a Gospel to realize murder isnt part of the program"

O'really?

 

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death.  Such evil must be purged from Israel.  (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

You should not let a sorceress live.  (Exodus 22:17 NAB)

"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives."  (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death.  (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)

Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death.  (Exodus 21:15 NAB)

If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death.  (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death.  (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

And my all time fave.............

But if this charge is true, and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house.  Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst.  (Deuteronomy  22:20-21 NAB)

Strannick ?

Is that american slang for Superstitious Nutjob?

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 10:15 | 2444941 Boxed Merlot
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The actual practise in attempting to keep the family of Israel pure was never achieved due to the reckoning of people such as yourself.  In so doing, they ultimately assimilated with the nations around them and found little differentiating marks in the process.  As the new testament admonition regarding the law states, it's a matter of conscience.  Engaging in any of these conducts would be a violation of personal conscience that could only be remedied by death.  

The message of the Christ is one of hope in that our personal physical death is not the end of all things, but in perspective of the spiritual nature of life, purity is needed in the preparation of our personal call to account once more before the Creator.

 

The law also allowed for the taking of life (the power of the sword), without defining it as "murder".  "Murder" was expressly forbidden and was punishable by death.  I don't expect you to be able to make that distinction easily, but it is there if one is willing to apply proper reasoning.

 

Just my limited understanding.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 11:13 | 2445082 Colonial Intent
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Look me up after we both die and i'll admit you told me so.

Eloquent words tho:)

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 05:32 | 2444732 Kiwi Pete
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These are books from the old testiment. The gospels are Mathew, Mark, Luke and John from the new testiment. Jesus' message was different from the old testiment one. More God is Love, love thy neighbour stuff.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 09:37 | 2444886 Boxed Merlot
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“Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.” – Jesus –Matthew 10:34

But one of those who stood by drew his sword, and struck the slave of the high priest and cut off his ear. – Mark 14:47  (at the occasion of Jesus' arrest)

And He said to them, “But now, whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and whoever has no sword is to sell his coat and buy one.” – Jesus - Luke 22:36

And He found in the temple those who were selling oxen and sheep and doves, and the money changers seated at their tables. 15 And He made a scourge of cords, and drove them all out of the temple, with the sheep and the oxen; and He poured out the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables; 16 and to those who were selling the doves He said, “Take these things away; stop making My Father’s house a [f]place of business.”John 2:14-16

 

Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God. Therefore whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves.  For rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good and you will have praise from the same; for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil. Therefore it is necessary to be in subjection, not only because of wrath, but also for conscience’ sake.  For because of this you also pay taxes, for rulers are servants of God, devoting  themselves to this very thing.  Render to all what is due them: tax to whom tax is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honor to whom honor.Romans 13:1-7

 

I apologize for the lengthy cut and paste post, but the God of the “Old” is the God of the “New”.  I AM The I AM casts no shadow, had no beginning, has no end and does not need us to be complete.  We are not divine, God is. 

 And there is a world of difference between a "law maker" and a "law giver" imo.

 

One more thing, there is enough Old Testament evidence to support the argument of the loving and nurturing nature of God too.  I tire of those that have bought into a biblical duality of dieties.  

Sat, 05/19/2012 - 23:48 | 2444387 strannick
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Apparently I offended someone's Christian stereotype.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 09:55 | 2444948 mess nonster
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Apparently only 18 people understood what you wrote sufficiently to vote up or down. i'm guessing of that 18, only 3 or 4 actually understood, and the rest just piled on because they are idiots, more or less. Of the 3 or 4 that understood, I bet 2 or 3 actually have no idea what you meant at alll, if you were to ask them.

I know i can't make any sense out of your writing, so i remain neutral, and confused.

Sat, 05/19/2012 - 22:48 | 2444252 algol_dog
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I had no clue about this. Pretty dam sad ....

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NK0Y9j_CGgM&feature=related

Sat, 05/19/2012 - 22:45 | 2444245 AchtungAffen
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Nuclear war: it's not a matter of "if" but a matter of "when"

 

BTW, what are "Neolibs"?

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 11:48 | 2445134 Umh
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Nuclear war; it's already happened so if is out of the question and when should be when next.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 05:02 | 2444430 New World Chaos
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There are many who would love to see this.  It is part of the Illuminati's Final Solution (along with a super-plague), but over the next couple of years these plots will fizzle in a series of bizarre fuckups.  Those branches of the World Tree have been cut off from the Source; they do not exist. 

Divine Intervention, bitchez!  Call me crazy.  The truth will come out about all conspiracies and esoteric puppetry.  It will be hundreds of years before people start to trust authority again.

FWIW, if the Intervention doesn't work I think it is more likely that the Illuminati will keep control of Europe (under some kind of neo-fascism) and start WWIII from there during the next Kondratiev winter.  It will be about exterminating Muslims and newly free Americans.  They will try to suck America in with false flags.  It will be Lucifer's war, as described by Albert Pike, so America must not fall for the usual tricks.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 16:37 | 2445697 AchtungAffen
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I understand, but neoliberals aren't social liberals (as I supposed from the contrast in your post between neocons and neolibs). They are economic liberals more akin to libertarians: state not intervening in the economy; right?

Sat, 05/19/2012 - 23:55 | 2444398 shuckster
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Republicans turned globalists and Liberals turned Pro War

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 04:47 | 2444710 sessinpo
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All politicians are globalist. They think the world rotates around them.

Sat, 05/19/2012 - 22:55 | 2444236 MrSteve
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And everyone of these oil-for-power politicians is a fundamentalist Christian. like John McCain??????  Your logic of declared correlation and agitprop, name-calling smear tactics is very less compelling, showing paranoia more likely than logical reasoning.

I understand that anything can be made "logical" by irrational assertion. Genocide has its own logic and rational calculus as does hyperinflation and war hysteria. What part of the spectrum do you, GW, logically represent, according to your own self-referencing frame of relativity? Please tell us.

I respect most of your posts, on a variety of subjects as being very insightful, but this one cries to be called out for its emotionally skewed reasoning.

Peace,

MrSteve

 

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 00:11 | 2444408 George Washington
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Atheist War Hawks Manipulate Believers to Beat the Drums of War

Leo Strauss is the father of the Neo-Conservative movement, including many leaders of the current administration.

Indeed, many of the main neocon players – including Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Stephen Cambone, Elliot Abrams, and Adam Shulsky were students of Strauss at the University of Chicago, where he taught for many years.

The people pushing for war against Iran are the same neocons who pushed for war against Iraq. See this and this. (They planned both wars at least 20 years ago.) For example, Shulsky was the director of the Office of Special Plans – the Pentagon unit responsible for selling false intelligence regarding Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction. He is now a member of the equivalent organization targeting Iran: the Iranian Directorate.

Strauss, born in Germany, was an admirer of Nazi philosophers and of Machiavelli. Strauss believed that a stable political order required an external threat and that if an external threat did not exist, one should be manufactured. Specifically, Strauss thought that:

A political order can be stable only if it is united by an external threat . . . . Following Machiavelli, he maintained that if no external threat exists then one has to be manufactured

(the quote is by one of Strauss’ main biographers).

Indeed, Stauss used the analogy of Gulliver’s Travels to show what a Neocon-run society would look like:

“When Lilliput [the town] was on fire, Gulliver urinated over the city, including the palace. In so doing, he saved all of Lilliput from catastrophe, but the Lilliputians were outraged and appalled by such a show of disrespect.” (this quote also from the same biographer)

Moreover, Strauss said:

Only a great fool would call the new political science diabolic . . . Nevertheless one may say of it that it fiddles while Rome burns. It is excused by two facts: it does not know that it fiddles, and it does not know that Rome burns.

So Strauss seems to have advocated governments letting terrorizing catastrophes happen on one’s own soil to one’s own people — of “pissing” on one’s own people, to use his Gulliver’s travel analogy. And he advocates that government’s should pretend that they did not know about such acts of mayhem: to intentionally “not know” that Rome is burning. He advocates messing with one’s own people in order to save them from some “catastophe” (perhaps to justify military efforts to monopolize middle eastern oil to keep it away from our real threat — an increasingly-powerful China?).

What does this have to do with religion?

Strauss taught that religion should be used as a way to manipulate people to achieve the aims of the leaders. But that the leaders themselves need not believe in religion.

As Wikipedia notes:

In the late 1990s Irving Kristol and other writers in neoconservative magazines began touting anti-Darwinist views, in support of intelligent design. Since these neoconservatives were largely of secular backgrounds, a few commentators have speculated that this – along with support for religion generally – may have been a case of a “noble lie”, intended to protect public morality, or even tactical politics, to attract religious supporters.

So is it any surprise that the folks who planned war against Iraq and Iran at least 20 years ago are pushing religious disinformation to stir up the evangelical community?

I’ve recently seen a swarm of spam claiming that all Muslims are evil, that they want to take over the world and establish a Muslim caliphate, and that they want to nuke Israel. They misquote Muslims and use false statements to try to stir up religious hatred.

They are simply promoting the Straussian playbook: stir up religious sentiment – even if you are personally an atheist – to create and demonize an “enemy”, so as to promote war …

Postscript 1: While there are certainly some Arab terrorists, Islam cannot be blamed for their barbaric murderous actions, just as Christianity cannot be blamed for the Norwegian Christian terrorist – Anders Behring Breivik’s – actions.

University of Chicago professor Robert A. Pape – who specializes in international security affairs – points out:

Extensive research into the causes of suicide terrorism proves Islam isn’t to blame — the root of the problem is foreign military occupations.

And the 9/11 hijackers used cocaine and drank alcohol, slept with prostitutes and attended strip clubs … but they did not worship at any mosque. See this, this, this, this, this, this, this, and this.

***

 

Postscript 2: Most evangelicals are not dispensionalists, and so do not want to bring on armageddon.

 

 

Mon, 05/21/2012 - 07:09 | 2446775 Element
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just as Christianity cannot be blamed for the Norwegian Christian terrorist – Anders Behring Breivik’s – actions.

 

Breivik is most definitely not a follower of Christ -- which is the only thing that defines a 'Christian'.  It is totally absurd to apply the label 'Christian', even if he insists he's one.  It is likewise equally rediculous to insinuate that Christianity produced the mind and perceptions of a man like him, or in some way provided motivation and cover to commit such acts, or to portray them as the behaviour of a real Christian.

He's totally perverse and obviously acted contrary to a follower of Christ.

If we're going to refer to 'Chistians', as real somethings, then the term has to comport with Christian Scriptural definitions of what constitues a Christian, and also to what does not fit Christian-ness;

The Second Epistle of Paul the Apostle to the Corinthians helps here;

Chapter 11

13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

--

But Jesus himself cut right to the chase in Matthew Chapter 7:

15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

--

Breivik is not a Christian--he's not even close.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 07:56 | 2444812 Optimusprime
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Strauss was also a Zionist, George.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 03:31 | 2444661 Colonial Intent
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Atheists have been manipulating believers for years with great success, catholic church, jerry falwell, pat robinson, etc etc

You think they really believe their own PR?

They just happened to become B/Millionaires by god's willl.........

Sat, 05/19/2012 - 22:26 | 2444187 Boxed Merlot
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The earliest christians in Rome were accused of being atheists because they did not recognize the diety of caesar, i.e. they were not politically correct.

As an ultimate irony, imo, they were far more roman than romans in their support for the state even at their personal expense.

"Christians" to this day typically support the state's authority to exercise the power of the sword as long as the state recognizes the moral authority and right of individual people to worship the diety as individually understood.

US politicians have imposed the government in the affairs of the church at their peril.  Beginning with the church's right to define marriage, they have re-defined unions and corporate law to infiltrate the church.  If they want to seperate the church from the state they need to look at their own house first.  Get and keep the state out of the church.

Those that believe the biblical accounts of history well remember the problems kings and secular leaders brought about when they mixed religious activities with affairs of the state, i.e. Saul offering sacrifices, Ahab and the prophets of Baal, etc... 

The state and our (s)elected officials are not divine, as much as I'm sure it pains them to admit.  They too are mere men.

 

imho. 

 

Sat, 05/19/2012 - 22:17 | 2444172 Itgoestoeleven
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I consider myself a reasonable person. I assumed that most people are also reasonable.  Most people I know think that this downturn will pass and next year will be fine. I now know that most people are stupid, batshit crazy and don't think beyond the next paycheck. I have gotten into a rut where conspiracy and evil seem to be the explanation for everything wrong with society. As for dark conspiracies and evil running the show, I now reject the whole idea but I do know that our leaders are also stupid, batshit crazy and short sighted. They will bring us all down intentionally or by accident. I suggest that we all spend more time preparing for the monkey shit fight that is looming and less time trying to sound smart. I have been visiting this site almost every day now for a few years. Many people sound like preppers. Zerohedge should start a prepper site. Yelling "SILVER BITCHES" is not going to cut it when things get bad. No matter what the disaster: clean air, food, shelter, medical, defense are necessities for life to continue. Be moral. Do not initiate force or engage in fraud.  When all else fails get up a go and don’t look back.

 

Sat, 05/19/2012 - 23:20 | 2444338 Gully Foyle
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Itgoestoeleven

Our "leaders" are pretty much figureheads. Assume that if you know a name, they have little or no power.

The real plan is and always will be movement toward one world government.

That may not be a bad thing.

All collapses are basically controlled collpases, something that doesn't interfere too much with making money. And where one area suffers a collapse another sees growth.

TPTB makes a profit either way.

During any collapse a near minimal amount of people suffer, then it passes.

Remember it takes a single generation to accept things like TSA patdowns and armed guards walking the streets.

The safest thing to do is keep a cool head and be nonthreatening.

That is only if you want to live.

All things must pass, and good continually follows evil. Humanities problem is we want everything to be eternal and predictible.

Life just ain't like that.


Sun, 05/20/2012 - 09:47 | 2444932 mess nonster
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The fundamental flaw of a false religion/system of ideas is that we can save ourselves or the world, ie our civilization.

Planet X makes all One World Government schemes exactly what they are- batshit crazy ego projections and nothing more.

This planet and everything on it is going to be destroyed in a massive plasma conflagaration. What does that leave you (and me)? If there is no salvation, then the best one can do is live this life in a moral and compassionate manner.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 06:02 | 2444744 RECISION
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That may not be a bad thing.

Yes... it is!!!

Sat, 05/19/2012 - 22:32 | 2444210 DoubleTap
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Be moral...amen brother.

Sat, 05/19/2012 - 22:18 | 2444165 Xkwisetly Paneful
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Russia is not prepared to defend anyone and unless you are in the Asian theater China could give ten flying fucks that you exist.

Meantime where's the piece detailing Iran and Syria arming and funding the Sunnis, Shiites and Shia in Iraq?

and the wars in the middle east are mainly driven by oil because it was such a peaceful place before oil was discovered. It really wasn't amongst the most violent places on earth for centuries that is all fairy tales.

 

Sat, 05/19/2012 - 23:58 | 2444402 shuckster
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Russia has weapons that are more powerful than nuclear weapons, if you can believe that. Scalar weapons can annihilate entire countries of their inhabitants in seconds. If we go to war with Russia - best case scenario we win and they launch nukes into the moon and ruin the planet, worst case scenario they microwave our entire population into a crisp. There is no limit to the damage that can be done

Sat, 05/19/2012 - 22:24 | 2444188 George Washington
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The Iraq war was really about oil, according to Alan Greenspan, John McCain, George W. Bush, Sarah Palin, a high-level National Security Council officer and others.

Dick Cheney made Iraqi’s oil fields a national security priority before 9/11.

The Sunday Herald reported:

Five months before September 11, the US advocated using force against Iraq … to secure control of its oil.

Congressman Ed Markey said in March

Well, we’re in Libya because of oil.

John Bolton spoke last week about:

The critical oil and natural gas producing region that we
fought so many wars to try and protectour economy from the adverse
impact of losing that supply or having it available only at very high
prices.

 

And as Dylan Ratigan writes today:

It’s somewhat rare to hear a Senator tell the truth about
American foreign policy, but we did get a glimpse of reality last week
when Senator Lindsey Graham lustily talked about the death of Gadaffi.
He said, “There’s a lot of money to be made in the future in Libya.
There’s a lot of oil to be produced. Let’s get on the ground and help
the Libya people establish a democracy and a functioning economy based
on free market principles.”

 

***

 

While we have the illusion of choice in our politics, the only real
consistency in policy-making is Washington’s commitment to war and oil,
and increasingly often, war for oil. Libya was the oil dealer to Western
Europe, but the market for oil is global. And oil is the prize, not
democracy. This is why John McCain praised Gaddafi in 2009 for his
peacemaking efforts, and applauded his death last week. It’s also why
our military is increasingly extended across the world in oil-rich
regions.

 

Our oil-drenched, defense-heavy industrial policy is increasingly
creaky, but it is protected by the money that flows into the political
system to wall off politicians from voters.

 

***

Without a reformation for new politics, and a different way of
relating to one another, we will continue with the status quo. And we
will have to keep finding countries and asking the question of how our
oil got under their sand.

Sat, 05/19/2012 - 22:59 | 2444281 Xkwisetly Paneful
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SO I guess that means that Syria and Iran arming and financing the Sunnis, Shiites and Shia means they were in Iraq attacking US forces trying to take over Iraq's oil?

Do get that right?

That the US disposed of the Iraqi armed forces in the length of time it takes to sneeze and then basically dealt with nothing but anti american islamic malcontents from the world over?

same islamic malcontents that absent Iraq would not have been in Iraq and would have been elsewhere looking to "steal oil"-afterall all middle east wars are about oil.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 03:14 | 2444496 JOYFUL
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...Do get that right?...

no, do yu got that wrong, as usual, but thank yu for providing the opportunity to put forward facts for the truth-seeking element of the readership.

Sunnis and Shias managed to live together for the longest time in the former Iraq without friction; part of the mandate of the sionist-driven PNAC agenda was to create that friction, and break up the well armed enemy of sionist israel into manageable pieces. The cabal of dual-citizened sionist agents occupying the amerikan power structure sent their US military dupes on missions to create the conditions of terror and disruption that would allow for a successful Mossad led campaign to divide Iraqis by religious and ethnic groupings through false flag bombings and other outrages

...in the course of which these occupying forces managed to murder outright 2.5 million Iraqis - orphan 4 million children, and then shower DU poison on millions more civilians - leading to massive increases in cancer and a surge in  birth-defects.

But that was only one part of the genocidal plan of the cabbalists: that same hellish weaponry poisoned tens of thousands of Merikan servicemen, which, along with the deadly vaccines used against them by their own authorities, has  left hundreds of thousands of disabled veterans suffering chronic disease and deterioration, unrecognized and untreated by the usurpers and their puppet henchmen in Washington, whose long term plan is to disable Merikan fighting capacity.

and this: "the US disposed of the Iraqi armed forces in the length of time it takes to sneeze"...

The truth about yur 'disposal' effort is that sionist controlled Merikan planes bombed a convoy of 2000 Iraqi military and civilian vehicles on a highway from Kuwait in cooperation with UN R 660 - incinerating 100,00 men, women and children in an act of cowardly evil covered up by order of the puppet president by mass burial...those Iraqi forces left to confront the aggressor were not defeated in battle, but were victims of secret weaponry which rendered them easy prey for the brave forces which overran their line using massive dozers to bury them alive.

The third, and perhaps, most insidious element of the cabbalist master plan has been to keep the Euro-merikan civilian populations from realizing that the consequences of these massive crimes against humanity will be borne not by the perpetrators themselves, but by the very populations whose tax $ has paid for these serial bloodlettings - a bitter irony which will only become apparent, it seems, too late for those in the West who could prevent this tragedy from developing according to the script written by the traitors in their midst.

Xkwisetly Paneful - seems an apt pseudonym for one who apparently revels in the idea of this barbarous campaign to destroy civilization both east and west...yu leering mockery of all human values is duly noted...but exactly like yur puppetmasters, yu suffer the fateful flaw of believing yur own bullshit. For which reason all of yur plans will in the end blow up in yur face, and what yu have wished upon others will be the fate reserved for yu.

 

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 07:46 | 2444803 Oh regional Indian
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Superbly said Joyfl.

But, what do yu have against O?

;-)

ri

Sat, 05/19/2012 - 22:51 | 2444260 Xkwisetly Paneful
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The war in Afghanistan is about oil too.

and Daffy was going to start a pan african currency.

and the middle east was a peaceful place prior to oil.

and in less than a month now I will be in the Gulf looking for eyeless shrimp or any other genetic mutations and offering to pay and videotape them.

afterwards maybe we can find  someone to walk down Main St Teheran with an anti Mohammad or Allah sign while I do the same with anti Jesus sign in the bible belt and we can post the videos on youtube to compare the tolerances of the various religions.

 

Sat, 05/19/2012 - 22:12 | 2444159 johansen
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I don't see any bombs blowing up until 3.5 years after the peace treaty, because a nuclear war will wipe out most of the worlds infrastructure and there will be nothing left to build skynet from.

 

My personal favorite interpretation of end times prophesy is that no one, not even most of those who call themselves Christians will see it happening, even while 2/3rds of the earth is destroyed during the end times!

While the Bible does speak of supernatural events that take place, just like the plagues of Egypt there have always been plausible natural explanations for them.

Now whether or not you believe anything related to the bible is imaterial.. Bush & Co. do, and if they have enough power they will start a nuclear war just because they can. A rise in world population to 12 billion in the next 100 years, or a global Holocaust have about 50/50 odds IMO.

 

now you might find my post to be somewhat contradictory, but you must consider the possibility that 1 billion people survive the next 20 years... and... life goes on. ( with a healthy dose of cesium)

Sat, 05/19/2012 - 22:12 | 2444157 rsnoble
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Cool. We're all gona get killed over a bunch of imaginary bullshit.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 11:14 | 2445086 Cthonic
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Also called balance sheets.

Sat, 05/19/2012 - 22:30 | 2444207 greensnacks
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Sky santa is real! Take that back!

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