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Will Rogue Fundamentalist Christian Military Leaders Start a Nuclear War in the Middle East?
Before You Write Off This Threat … Read This
Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev said that if the U.S. invades the sovereignty of countries like Syria or Iran, it could lead to nuclear war. And see this.
Russia and China have previously stated that an attack on Iran would be considered a direct threat to their national security.
And Iran and Syria have had a mutual defense pact for years. China and Russia might also defend Syria if it is attacked. So an attack on Syria could draw Iran into the war … followed by China and Russia.
The House approved a resolution Thursday preventing containment as a method of making sure that Iran does not obtain nuclear weapons, rejecting:
any policy that would rely on efforts to contain a nuclear weapons-capable Iran.
The next day, the House authorized the use of force against Iran to keep it from developing nukes.
Of course, while the Middle Eastern wars are mainly driven by oil (and perhaps protecting the dollar) – and while real conservatives are anti-war- many in the U.S. military view the wars as a literal crusade, and see Islam itself as their mortal enemy.
For example, Wired reported last week:
The U.S. military taught its future leaders that a “total war” against the world’s 1.4 billion Muslims would be necessary to protect America from Islamic terrorists, according to documents obtained by Danger Room. Among the options considered for that conflict: using the lessons of “Hiroshima” to wipe out whole cities at once, targeting the “civilian population wherever necessary.”
If this sounds nuts, remember that millions of evangelical Christians want to start WWIII to speed the “second coming” … and atheist Neocons and Neolibs are using religion to rile them up to justify war against Iran.
And Professor Michel Chossudovsky documents that the U.S. is so enamored with nuclear weapons that it has authorized low-level field commanders to use them in the heat of battle in their sole discretion … without any approval from civilian leaders.
What could possibly go wrong?
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" and atheist Neocons are using religion to rile them up to justify war against Iran."
Cannot be too hard for them Jews to play them christians, especially the evangelical kind. Afterall christianity is a completely Jewish religion to origin and content.
If this sounds nuts/
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then it must be - surely GWash. you are aware that citing yourself is hardly the basis for a solid argument
I linked to original source materials. it is called the INTERnet or WEB - where you click on the links. Please try it sometime, sir ...
George, the source materials in this case was an article you wrote millions of evangelical Christians want to start WWIII to speed the “second coming” … with a bogus title that was not supported by the facts.
It's called RESPonsible journalism. Moreover as a courtesy to ZeroHedge if you do insist on quoting yourself to support an argument you could at least link to the same article you published here on Zero Hedge instead of drving traffic to your own site.
http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/millions-evangelical-christians-wan...
Christians are just stupid tools being used by the zionist war mongers CFR CIA joint chiefs etc.
Comment from another forum:
From Common Dreams:
http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2012/05/18-0#comment-531980762
Blue/Red is brain poison.
Let it go.
but i care about jews wars gays debt mormans and taxes
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its super important
gw-ya' gotta' get your anal-cranial inversion problem fixed. Really, dude, you won't talk to me and --- well.
- Ned
The human race is sitting on a big f.cking toilet,and waiting for the right hand to pul the tricker.
They havent learnt anything,they call this Evolution,should be final conclusion.
And they pull the same old card,the one they call God,this warn out nonsens,so old and unusefull,but still dont get it:God against Alah?No brother against brother,same old, Cain- Abel, worn out shirt,still dirty as ever,full of holes,just like their stupid book of fears.
And now in need of hidding the impotens,they rolls out the bigggest guns they have,just like in the childrens school,my father stronger is bigger than your father,Odin is stonger than the god of the Christians,bla bla bla,my car is bigger than your,and what is it?Other than,penis envy,no more no less,my army is more lethal than your army ,ha ha,aint i strong,look what i did to Irak Afghanistan and Libia,oh i am a fearch monster,ill send my BOYS after you,and say,i Came I saw and,He DIED,fear ME,Impotence at its finest!!!
Well, it would be bullish for the economy, create lots of jobs , and revitalize the yellow plastic bumper sticker ribbon industry. Also, with the draft back in place, it gets rid of those pesky youngsters that are free thinking, and militant. That one has worked for generations. Kill the best, and sheeple the rest. Full blown Mexican retail SARC on.
Good to know RT has a voice on ZH! You go, George! If we forget, for even one second, that the war mongering christians are a subersive, clandestine force of anti humanism, then we are all doomed. All humanity would know peace if only those "millions of christians" would stop making IED's!
Stick to nuclear end of the West thing....... You loose all credibility when you try to branch out.
Sorry GW, weak article.
"millions" of Christians "want" armegeddon and are actually assisting its creation? I seriously doubt that. probably less than how many Muslim fanatics want the Mahdi to return.
the problem is that it only takes one, at the wrong place and wrong time.
and yes, I'm one of those conservatives who believes that an involate defense of the US does not require imperial hegemony over the entire globe. The US was a neutral party before being drug into WW1 and 2. For WW3, our current policies have made us the prime target.
"from enemies both foreign and domestic" guess who I think is the biggest threat we're facing.
George left the tracks with the earlier article and he hasn't learned his lesson.
Guess he has a burr in his shorts with Christians.
Ah well... you can't stop a guy from seeing what he demands to see.
What if I'm a Christian ... who actually follows the Prince of Peace's teachings?
What if I'm a Christian ... who actually follows the Prince of Peace's teachings?
Then you wouldn't be slandering millions of people who call themselves Christians and believe no such thing.
I told you before; I've spent decades around all types of Christians, in many diverse places, and have never heard such a thing. I suppose it may exist in some dark corner somewhere, but you are utterly wrong to imply that it is a common or significant thing.
I like you, George, but you've found your own dark spot here. Good on you if you fix it.
Well stated.
It's pretty clear GW has never heard of arresting or fragging a deranged senior officer. Quite possibly the officers doing the arresting or fragging would be Christians.
So by logial extension, we could then look forward countless GW articles praising how a handful of heroic Christians saved the world from annihilation.
Or not ;-)
What if I'm a Christian ... who actually follows the Prince of Peace's teachings?
No, you're dumbass pseudo-christian who doesn't have a clue about "the Prince of Peace's" teaching.
You're the moron contributor on ZH, spewing more bullshit than all other contributors combined.
You're a disgrace to ZH. You shoulda been kicked outa here a long time ago.
Religious infighting is funny..............
Then I ask special blessings for you as you expose the bad apples in the barrel.
Prince of Peace! ... oh, you rotten provocative bastard! lol
What if we doubt you troll? I think anyone who actually followed Christianity and is not a hypocrite, like more than a few are, you would not make a generalization.
What has gone on over the past 3 years is far worse. You would rather distract what your DNC muslim has done with fantasy. This place is filled with loads of c*cks who voted for Hope & Change. William B is one of them.
Then stop confusing Christians with evil fucking war mongering psychopaths.
I will do soon as Christians stop supporting, enabling and empowering evil fucking war mongering psychopaths.
Look up "Branch Davidians", then get back to us.
Killing on a massive scale has pretty much always been organized by zealots and true believers.
True believers in the "State" have done a great job continuing where the religious zealots left off.
To be fair he refers to them as Fundamentalist Christians, I believe he's making that distinction. The man Jesus himself would never ever in a million years be considering war.
Of course, a true "fundamentalist" Christian, one that knew and taught the fundamentals of Christ's message, (ie love), would not be starting or slavering after war.
A deluded Kriest-bot, duped into believing an adulterated and diabolical counterfeit of Christianity, just might lust after flames, explosions, death, blood, murder, and chaos.
"Ye shall know them by their works"....
Yeah, I know who the followers of Satan are, alright.
Wake up and come out of Babylon!
The man Jesus himself would never ever in a million years be considering war.
Are you referring to the Jesus who said this:
“Do not think that I came to bring peace on Earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; ...
Mathew 10:34
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/But_to_bring_a_sword
Bullshit!
That was a selective quote taken out of context, designed to misconstrue the clearly stated meaning in the surrounding text. The following verses, that you omitted, make perfectly clear what Jesus was saying here, and it had zero to do with promoting or spreading 'war' (as opposed to not bringing 'peace');
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Matthew 10:32-40 (New King James Version)
32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.
40 He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.
41 He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward; and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man's reward.
42 And whosoever shall give to drink unto one of these little ones a cup of cold water only in the name of a disciple, verily I say unto you, he shall in no wise lose his reward.
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Nothing about war. He was just emphasising that his teaching is the first priority, not what anyone, even family members say to the contrary, so you either follow me or ... you're not a 'Christian' (follower of Christ's teachings).
At no point did Jesus during his ministry ever support of recommend conflict, violence and warfare. Indeed he went to great pains to the opposite in several places, saying pointed things like this, to make sure no one could misconstrue his position on such things;
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Matthew 18:21-35 (King James)
21Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?
22Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.
23Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened unto a certain king, which would take account of his servants.
24And when he had begun to reckon, one was brought unto him, which owed him ten thousand talents.
25But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made.
26The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.
27 Then the lord of that servant was moved with compassion, and loosed him, and forgave him the debt.
[In this case a parable about forgiving a debt of 'Sin' against god]
28 But the same servant went out, and found one of his fellow servants, which owed him an hundred pence: and he laid hands on him, and took him by the throat, saying, Pay me that thou owest.
29 And his fellow servant fell down at his feet, and besought him, saying, Have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.
[i.e. forgive me my sins and leaved behind conflict over sensate materialism]
30 And he would not: but went and cast him into prison, till he should pay the debt.
[i.e. sent to Hell]
31 So when his fellow servants saw what was done, they were very sorry, and came and told unto their lord all that was done.
32 Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me:
[i.e. It describes very much a master and debt-slave relationship here ... hey, he was a Joo too ... well, he grew up in a Redneck Joo town, so spoke from that kultural background ... one he rejected and considered most warped and foul.]
33 Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellow servant, even as I had pity on thee?
34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.
35 So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.
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Pretty unambiguous, forgive, and always forgive, or you're going to Hell.
And Creditors must also forgive debtors who can not pay, if they ask for forgiveness.
So no Bank-runs in the Kingdom of God then!
In a nut shell: Don't be petty hard-hearted arseholes, treat others how you would like to be treated.
i.e. Don't drop JDAMs and LGBs on people, or shell them, or shoot them, or offend them, or steal from them, but instead forgive and assist them. Conversely, to do that would be Evil and a great Sin against God's will.
Those are the core 'Western' values that I grew up with.
Christianity always has aspired to that ideal in real life, but Western 'leaders' do precisely the opposite of this. They are 'Evil' opposing people (especially the superficially charming ones) and they continually subvert morality with propaganda and lead everyone off to war, and into endless 'wickedness' and away from such basic core Christian principles -- the unifying 'rightness' of what the God of the Chistian wants of all of us.
The 'sword' that Jesus bought was his challenge to not be a part of that, to stand apart from it, to abide by what is right, even with regard to our family, if necessary, and to condemn bad behaviour, call it what it is, then encourage and help people to wake up from that Evil and vengeful mindset that holds a grudge and seeks violence.
Basically, no evil arseholes are permited in Heaven, so you better wise up and show [God] that you really aren't going to act like one, or you're not going any further.
Drink the Kool-aid and join our cult.
He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
Exactly. It is pure cult. It aspires to higher human purity and good stuff like that, and I agree in principle with much of that, but Christianity is a cult from the beginning. It just had a particularly smart and memorably charismatic teacher, and its myths and aspirations have been endlessly useful to evil political leadership from Rome to Washington.
I completely abandoned Christianity when in mid teens, it's mania wore me out and ceased to make day-to-day sense. I slowly realised the 'Church' was hypocritical, snobbish and just plain stultifyingly stupid. It took a few more years to realise that a Church is a cult. It's leaders routinely messed with your head and emotions and sought to make you addicted to obedience to its petty edicts, while taxing your wallet. It was manipulative fear-based bullshit.
We grew up going to Sunday school then to 'Church', and it was so accepted and 'normalised', but no one ever warned us, nor suspected that Christianity was another cult, just a very old and well-established cult, that had come to define the kulture. That said, I don't regret having been a Christian, but leaving cultish 'Churchism' behind was a good move, and inevitable.
Element - if God wants you, he will get you, regardless of what the church does. Your obligation is to deal with God, not with the church. Rejecting the church is not the same thing as rejecting God. But then, you were probably taught this in Sunday School.
I can confirm that, Richard, Church is irrelevant in that.
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Ephesians 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
James 1:5 If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all liberally and without reproach, and it will be given to him. 6 But let him ask in faith, with no doubting, for he who doubts is like a wave of the sea driven and tossed by the wind.
James 3:13 Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show by good conduct that his works are done in the meekness of wisdom. 14 But if you have bitter envy and self-seeking in your hearts, do not boast and lie against the truth. 15 This wisdom does not descend from above, but is earthly, sensual, demonic. 16 For where envy and self-seeking exist, confusion and every evil thing are there. 17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, willing to yield, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality and without hypocrisy. 18 Now the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace.
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Some more of anti-war and conflict flavour within the Christian New Testament
Romans Chapter 12 : 9 to 21
9 Let love be without hypocrisy. Abhor what is evil. Cling to what is good.
10 Be kindly affectionate to one another with brotherly love, in honor giving preference to one another;
11 not lagging in diligence, fervent in spirit, serving the Lord;
12 rejoicing in hope, patient in tribulation, continuing steadfastly in prayer;
13 distributing to the needs of the saints, given to hospitality.
14 Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse.
15 Rejoice with those who rejoice, and weep with those who weep.
16 Be of the same mind toward one another. Do not set your mind on high things, but associate with the humble. Do not be wise in your own opinion.
17 Repay no one evil for evil. Have regard for good things in the sight of all men.
18 If it is possible, as much as depends on you, live peaceably with all men.
19 Beloved, do not avenge yourselves, but rather give place to wrath; for it is written, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” says the Lord.
20 Therefore, “If your enemy is hungry, feed him; If he is thirsty, give him a drink; For in so doing you will heap coals of fire on his head.”
21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
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That just plain beats the shit out of the Old Testament's "eye-for-an-eye" mentality and the,"smite mightily with the Sword and take the land of Canaan for a possession", yada-yada-yada, which is pure war-oriented kultish crapulousness.
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1 Corinthians 13 : 11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
The 'Church' was just one of these childish things.
Cheers
Seriously Richard... the whole Abrahaminical, inimical triple punch on humanity is one sad Clusterflock.
Nto that the Hindu war-fables produced any less cruel Gods, so to speak. But we've had a couple of thousand years extra to make silk purses out those pig's ears.
Religion needs to die so the spirit can flourish.
ori
Why is that everyone's religion is right, and the others are wrong?
God is on our side?
There are sides?
This comment is for Element who has posted immediately below. By the comments you (Element) make, it appears that you did not read my link to the Wikipedia article that I included in my comment. That read makes the same points you make below. I intended to enlighten, not misconstrue. In that spirit, please note that your interpretation of that scripture is only one of several competing interpretations. That sword may be metaphorical, but it was designed to separate the faithful from the infidel. Note further that Jesus/God had no qualms about having the infidels killed through wars in the Hebrew Bible / Old Testament. And, in a New Testament story, the nation of Israel is supposed to prevail in an upcoming battle with Russia. According to the Bible, Jesus/God doesn't shrink from real wars when he finds them necessary. And the people who are on his side always win in the end. That sets the future up nicely, doesn't it.
sheesh! ... the King James Bible Chrisitian New Testament (original English Translation) used the word 'infidel', only once, in relation to a person not supporting their family's need, "is worse than an Infidel".
It's a term that Christians just don't use in such a context as that you have used.
But it's a term that's commonplace within Islamic culture.
So, are you a Muslim?
I did read the link you provided but found it beside the point and irrelevant because I also made clear within my reply when I said: "... the clearly stated meaning in the surrounding text."
The full text is in fact self-explanatory. I don't need a Wiki page at all to understand that full-text -- nor does anyone else.
As I also said, that scriptural quote had zero to do with bringing war to the Earth, as opposed to "think not that I come to bringing peace".
So why did you offer this isolated quote in the way that you did, if the full-text is deliberately and decidedly self-explanatory?
Is it because you wish to insinuate that Jesus was actually a misunderstood war-mongering figure who supports open conflict and combative hostilities between all peoples?
What then?
Can you offer an alternative, for why you quoted it in that isolated devil's-advocate style, and in the context of the reply to another commenter that you gave it in?
Here:
http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2012-20-19/will-rogue-fundamentalis...
Or did you yourself not understand the fuller context of the surrounding verses?
And seriously; are you a Muslim or are you perhaps Jewish?
I ask this, not as a slight, but only because you don't seem to understand the persistent thrust and character of the Christian 'Scripture' very clearly if you think that Wiki page had valid points to make. That Wiki link really is a bunch of dissembling pap ... and I wonder why it was necessary to be written at all. It seemed determined to confuse the matter and to digress from what the fuller-text clearly means, and rather than to elucidate it's meaning, which the Wiki page seemed constructed to avoid doing.
The 'scriptural' doctrinal reality is that Christianity in its original expression was probably more 'peacefully' oriented than even Buddhism is perceived to be.
In jewish history, Joshua is confronted by an angel of God with a sword in his hand on his way to Jericho after crossing the Jordan and entering the "promised land". He asks if the angel is for him or for his enemies.
The answer was / is NEITHER. As soon as one thinks divinity belongs to oneself, you lost it.
Best to be found of the side of God. The creator does not need me.
I need the Creator.
Because religion is a construct of man, to serve man.
Armagedon, the end of human suffering.
Arnie Gunderson, a nuclear expert with Fairewinds, estimates that Fukushima has released radiation into the atmosphere and oceans equivalent to 6,000-6,800 nuclear bombs going off.
Any nuclear war will be a drop in the bucket compared to the damage Fukushima has caused, and it's still spewing it's radiation death daily. There is no techonology available to contain any of this, and hasn't been available for decades. This will continue until we are all dead.
Armaggedon is already here. It's just going to be a little slower than people thought.
Come to think about it, we have an ELE, the 'end of the world' is taking place, and I don't see any religious or spiritual leaders talking about this. WTF? Have they abandoned all they stand for? All their names are being erased from the book as we speak. Ask your pastor/rabbi/imam why they're all silent. Cowards.
No, ... not "released" ... potentially woulda-shoulda-coulda been released ... the bulk of radioactive volatiles are still encased within fuel-rod cladding in on-site SFPs. The reactor fuel volatiles released from three melted cores is not like 6,800 bombs going off - not even close.
With bombs you get "secondary activation" of exposed vaporised metals, and also incinerated minerals from soil and rock, causing them to also become sympathetically radioactive immediately after the instant of detonation.
After the US's A-bomb detonations, at Bikini Atoll in 1946 (note, these were fully-submerged detonations within shallow waters, that vaporised marine sediments, and also the steel barge above it in order to determine likely navy-related effects of A-bombs on the fleet) the metal in the ships at the surface near the mushroom cloud suffered 'secondary-activation' by the transient high-energy particle flux from the cloud, that destabilised the atom energy levels of the metal in nearby ships.
Thus to restabilise, the atoms in the metal hulls had to re-emit this energy as a particle, and/or as light ... which meant the ships became internally radioactive.
Thus ships that were largely undamaged by the blast or water base-surge, were still rendered too radioactive to stay aboard.
Now this is not mere 'fallout' that I'm referring to, as you can't just wash this radiation off the decks, with soapy water, it's the steel itself that is radioactive.
Likewise, much fallout is unlike the reactor fallout, because bomb fallout is itself vaporised minerals (which all generally contain copious quantities of atomic metal cations, even at ppb levels) and also atmospheric gas components, that were activated by the particles flooding out of the a-bomb core at instant of detonation.
Fukushima has very serious pollution (now mostly, sedimentary, marine and biotic, so cumulative inhalation and ingestion is the problem) but make no mistake, that's nowhere nearly as bad as even a smallish nuclear exchange would be for the environmental and genetic implications.
I just knew that Cheney posted on Zero Hedge! Hi Dick. Guess the new heart didn't take.
Actually the heart transplant story was a fake. Turns out he ran fine without one....
Not a total fake - just not quite correct on the details:
http://www.artofmarkbryan.com/Dick.html
We gonna be killing us some generals and targeting their families if the israel drags us into a war with iran
Now is the time for all good men and women to unite in common cause and come to the aid of our country
I don't think it's the generals declaring war, and it certainly isn't their families.
No need for nukes when the bankers can accomplish the same end result by financially bankrupting Syria and Iran. Let the civil wars bring to power new leaders. That seems to be the direction they are headed given China and Russia don't want the West messing with their oil.
Unintended consequences? Iran's exclusion from SWIFT led them to trade oil for gold. And since swift sanctions were announced, gold has devalued along side WTI/Brent? coincidence? Are the bankers still meddling with the markets to bankrupt Iran and prevent a war? It would be reasonable to argue a global recession is suppressing oil, but with the printing presses running, how does one explain gold prices? Now Iran trades in gold and has amassed a fortune. How ironic would it be that being excluded from swift and a system of fiat currency actually empowered Iran. Then what?