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I wish I could have been a fly on the wall at the G8 summit at Camp David this weekend. The final communiqué from the global big shots talks about keeping Greece in the Euro and a shift away from austerity and a move towards growth oriented policies. Forget the Happy Talk, I want to know what they were really saying.

 

 

Obama must be praying for a miracle with the other members of the G8. If we get a “Grexit”, there will be months of turmoil in the global capital markets before the dust settles. The last thing the Big O wants to have is a recession in Europe that infects the USA with lower growth and higher unemployment when Americans are going to the polls in six months. For the same reason, Obama needs Japan to keep QEing and spending money it does not have.

 
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Obama may be a slave to what happens outside of our borders during the period prior to the election, but those same foreign leaders are completely at the mercy of the USA and the next President after the election. It won’t matter what the UK, Germany, France or Japan does with stimulus in their countries; what’s on the table in the USA will overwhelm any of those efforts.

The USA is months (220 days) away from initiating fiscal policies that will trigger a recession in the US that will be at least as severe as that experienced in 2008. With the rest of the world already teetering on recession, America is set to push the global economy right into the tank. The non-US members of the G8 are well aware of these facts. They must be crapping in their pants at the prospects.

I think those concerns are completely justified. Any foreign leader who is banking on the hopes that America will end its political stalemate and put forward a credible economic plan that puts the US and global economies on a better footing is a fool. If you want proof of just how far away viable compromises are, consider some legislation put forward by Republican leaders this week.

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House Representative “Buck” McKeon (R.Ca) runs the powerful Armed Services Committee. He has come up with a fiscal 2013 spending plan for the military. The CBO looked at H.R. 4310, so did the White House. It’s a joke.

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$637 billion! That’s a lot of loot for a country that’s tapped out. This is not a compromise. This is an insult. The following chart shows that the 2013-spending plan proposed by Republicans has no reduction from the historic highs of the past few years.

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What does the White House have to say about H.R. 4310?

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When it comes to military spending, the Republicans want to bust the law that led to the increase in the debt limit. They propose legislation that would renege on the deal that they fought for last summer. The fight over the debt limit brought the economy and the markets to its knees. It cost the USA its AAA. And now the Republicans propose to kiss it away.

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Obama had lunch with House Speaker Boehner last week to discuss the political impasse and the critical issues the country faces. To make it look like B&O are just a couple of regular guys they went for a bite to a local sandwich shop. I’m thinking there must have been 300 Secret Service types outside. There is nothing regular about these guys. Did the “deciders” at the hoagie shop agree on anything? Not a chance.

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There is a near zero chance for America to address the fiscal cliff that is coming on Jan 1 before the election. I think there is also a zero chance that it will get resolved in the six-weeks following the vote. Those G8 leaders have every reason to be worried. So should the markets.

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Sun, 05/20/2012 - 12:09 | 2445168 headless blogger
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I think you're right! If that helps any....

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 11:51 | 2445137 headless blogger
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If you are dumb enough to still want to vote in the election (and Ron Paul is not on your ballot), at least vote for Romney. Not that you will get anything better, but at least it might slow down the destruction because of the change of Administrations.

Also, if O'Bama gets back in (which looks most likely), we are looking at an extremely dangerous scenario that will enfold over the next 4 years, because there will be NOTHING, and I mean NOTHING stopping the OBama Admin from pulling all stops on Authoritarianism since it will be his last 4 years....NO WORRIES about re-election.

Already Obama has instituted more deaths by Drone bombing than Bush. Obama is the 1st president that has declared for himself the ability to call for ANY American to be shot and murdered if he says so. No attorney, no rights, no trial....just a quick bullet or bomb to your body at the Will of Obama.

Not even President Bush dictated that kind of power. Obama may be the last president of the U.S. as a free nation.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 13:16 | 2445279 Whats that smell
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Bush/Cheney started the panic after9-11 and went with it they just did't have enough time to do everything O has. Rermember they shoved through the patriot act started the airport gov't sex and all. The only diff tween O and Rom is the Rom will shovel even more cash to the rich, and may be more likely to start another useless war. (unless you are a defense contractor) No Rom no Obam!

 

Mon, 05/21/2012 - 10:17 | 2447366 DosZap
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The only diff tween O and Rom is the Rom will shovel even more cash to the rich, and may be more likely to start another useless war. (unless you are a defense contractor) No Rom no Obam!

There is a huge difference between the two..........................

Obama is a MUSLIM, and Romney is a MORMON.

I will take the Mormon any day,just on the basis of their beliefs and values.

THat alone will be a MAJOR change.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 13:03 | 2445252 denny69
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What 'free nation'?

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 12:33 | 2445204 Ag Star
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When one is being driven over a cliff--does it matter who's driving?

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 12:44 | 2445196 Revert_Back_to_...
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What is the process used in the Constitution for electing a President?

What does it mean to vote? to register?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buiO1K_kRSg

What is a US Person?  What is a Resident Alien?

This is interesting - you will have to ignore all of the matrix clips and listen to the interesting parts?

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/5737380/matrix_of_your_social_security_num...

Verify all claims. Just because it is interesting doesn't mean it is true.

Links at bottom with more info. 

 

 

 

 

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 12:21 | 2445185 Bob
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Vote--if you must--with your genuine conscience, rather than submitting to some empty game-theory charade that you have to vote for the putative lesser of two evils.  Your vote will change nothing in any case, but at least you won't have participated, however hopefully, in continuing your own victimization. 

It's the only way things are ever gonna change . . . at least the only way change will occur in an orderly, civilized fashion. 

I don't see how switching from Ron Paul supporter to Mitt Romney realpolitik can be done in good conscience. 

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 14:05 | 2445390 toady
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He's EXACTLY what team Romney is looking for.... And exactly what happened for Obama!

Just vote for whoever can say 'change' the most!

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 11:35 | 2445116 lynnybee
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every single one of those people in that photo is a parasite (even Medvedev) .     reduce the Federal Government by at least 75% & the rest of us get to survive.      get rid of these people !     it is going to take another tax revolution as in colonial days; withhold tax payments & these parasites don't get paid.     i'm so sick of looking at these people, these scammers & thieves ...

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 14:16 | 2445406 F. Bastiat
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A thousands cuts. Every opportunity to fight back against an oppressive central government must be taken.  Small, broad, steady, and persistent.  May take awhile, but it's a winner in the end.  There are probably less than a thousand hardcore authoritarians among us: Andrew Stern, Peter Orzag, Stephen Lerner, Van Jones, Giorgy Schwartz, etc.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 12:57 | 2445242 falak pema
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you can't, they own you and you don't own them; alas the truth has to be said. 

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 13:09 | 2445267 Bob
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I'm told there is an Underground Railroad and it has many stations.  Not for everybody, obviously, just sayin'. 

To thine own self be true. 

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 13:26 | 2445298 falak pema
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the underground like in ...l'armée des ombres...imagine lynnbee kicking frog marching well dressed, rolex watch carrying men up their rear ends is a nice dream about goose stepping freaks getting nailed to the lamp-posts. 

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 13:47 | 2445343 Bob
Sun, 05/20/2012 - 11:29 | 2445100 barliman
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WOW!!!!

Your transformation is complete. You have become a complete shill for Obama and the DNC, Bruce.

Did it hurt much to remove your conscience, Bruce?

Let's simplify this discussion - not that it will help you to come back to reality.

We DO NOT have a REVENUE problem. We DO NOT have a DEBT problem. We have a SPENDING PROBLEM!

How do we SOLVE it?

Take out the proverbial chainsaws and starting cutting off branches of government at the cabinet level.

BRRRRRwwwwRRRWWWWW! THUMP! - Department of Energy - GONE.

BRRRRRwwwwRRRWWWWW! THUMP! - Department of Education - GONE.

BRRRRRwwwwRRRWWWWW! THUMP! - Department of Health & Human Services - GONE.

BRRRRRwwwwRRRWWWWW! THUMP! - Department of Homeland Security - GONE.

BRRRRRwwwwRRRWWWWW! THUMP! - Department of Transportation - GONE.

BRRRRRwwwwRRRWWWWW! THUMP! - Department of Labor - GONE.

Take a break for lunch and see if productivity and budget cutting in the other branches improve by the time you finish lunch.

and then

ENTITLEMENTS - A NEW DEAL

Medicaid, Medicare & Social Security would be significantly refined in terms of forward looking benefits (meaning everybody's benefits effective immediately) to provide them with a choice:

  1. You will receive all benefits as originally promised prior to Day 2 provided you agree to opt out of any expensive extraordinary treatment for an "end of life" situation and will instead accept hospice care to make your passing as painless as possible. If you choose to pay for your own extraordinary treatment you will still receive your original benefits but acknowledge there will be no extensive police investigations if you pass away suddenly before such treatment can be carried out.
  2. Non-participation in option 1 will categorize you as someone who has chosen to accept whatever reduction/modification in the originally planned benefits are deemed necessary to achieve and maintain a balanced budget.

At this point, take a couple of months off and let the "discussion" develop before coming back to address Defense spending.

By the way, the steps above WILL balance the budget. Go crunch the numbers if you don't believe me.

There is NO other way out of where we are now other than to go through HARD times for a while. Most people over the emotional age of 12 have accepted this already.

barliman 

P.S. For my fellow ZH'ers, the post above is largely comprised of two separate posts I made earlier this week. I have combined them here to provide a one stop response to Mr. Krasting's propaganda.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 15:08 | 2445522 Sean7k
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Dear Barliman,

I think it is wonderful that you care enough about America to seek honest solutions. 

Unfortunately, you are attempting to save a train wreck. There is nothing to do, but wait for the disorderly resolution as the markets get out of banker control and bleed out all over the people of the world. 

Budget? The budget is not the issue. The budget is a symptom.

Spending and debt are not the issue, they are symptoms.

The military industrial complex is not the problem, it is a symptom.

The FED is not the problem, it is the machinery of the fascism which is the real problem.

Man has been enslaving his neighbor since greek times. Raised to an artform by the romans. Esconced in a gilded temple by the bankers of the world. 

As long as there has been wealth, there has been those that seeked to borrow it and those that would lend it- at a price. Too many borrowers fail to pay back the loan and the result is asset seizure- your home, your farm, your kids, your wife, even yourself. 

You cannot fix something that is broken and devastated. Especially if it is designed to break and disentigrate in a time frame that allows for a new system to evolve that is different enough to fool the masses into giving the greatest share of their labors to others in return for the chimera of opportunity.

The line of civilization has many points where people have attempted to create utopian societies, others have just gathered to survive and some have grown empires, but in the end, they all fall to the power and influence they have yielded to a select few. 

First, you must eliminate law and forbid its' resurrection. Second, you must turn to your neighbor and learn how to trust. Third, you must develop tolerance and responsibility. Finally, you must realize that nothing in life is worth the price of the control necessary to make you safe.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 15:35 | 2445590 Bob
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+1  Beautiful.  (Bystander vote)

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 14:03 | 2445384 W.M. Worry
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What a fool. Don't you know that half the Mil/Sec budget is hidden in those other Dept's budgets. They would have to bring the whole sordid Defense Budget out in the open. Never happen.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 14:28 | 2445443 barliman
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GOSH ...

... I propose something that would force the facts into the light of day and I am the fool?

barliman

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 15:45 | 2445478 Bob
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Nah, you're holding up pretty good, barliman.  And, considering the volume and quality of discussion it generated, great post!  Thanks.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 13:28 | 2445304 lasvegaspersona
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barliman

you were voted out of office as soon as they saw you were serious about the chain saw.

We are on an inevitible path...just relax. fight for what really makes a difference but the power structure is firmly in the denial camp. Those who seriously address issues will be "Ron Paul-ed"

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 13:10 | 2445273 denny69
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Conveniently, again, like most 'small' government believers, you forgot to list the largest hog, dog and pony show, smoke and mirrors craphole of them all - The Dept of 'Defense'. I'll jump on your wagon when I see that one listed. Have you been reading about the $100 million per plane F-35. Yeah, $100 million per plane (not to mention 'development' costs). You can give me all the welfare mothers AND Social Security recipients from the ancient Greeks thru commie Russia to the USA and they'll never get close to what the clowns at the Pentagon and their friends in corporate uselessness have stolen and wasted from us.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 14:26 | 2445438 barliman
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Conveniently ...

... you have not done the math with regard to forward looking committments of the entitlements which DWARF everthing else including Defense.

Defense will be cut too. Read my reply to Bruce's response to my post.

barliman

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 13:30 | 2445303 Bob
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When you consider all the open questions about "defense" spending--like where does the money go--it seems strange that fiscal hawks aren't over this like stink on a hog. 

They make Acorn look like the rock of fiscal Gibralter.  Likewise for Madoff. 

They can't balance their petty cash account.  Seriously. 

http://truth-out.org/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=3614:departmen...

We really don't know where the money goes.  Banana Republic?

Madison Avenue democracy. 

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 20:40 | 2445729 New World Chaos
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The Pentagon announced $2 trillion worth of "missing" money on Sept. 10, 2001.  The next day, a meeting was called in the fraud investigation offices, which were in the wing being renovated.  The investigators were killed by a plane that flew like a missile and left almost no wreckage.  Meanwhile, the Wall St. fraud investigation offices in Building 7 were destroyed at free-fall speed shortly after Larry Silverstein said "Pull it", and the gold in the basement of the WTC was "vaporized".  Mossad agents were caught filming and cheering the whole thing.  We stampeded into the welcoming jaws of the police state.  America fought a $3 trillion dollar war for the benefit of Israel and the war profiteers.  We willingly pissed away our blood, freedom, wealth, and national honor.  The Illuminati got their revenge on America, neutered their main obstacle to world domination, and made a fortune in the process. 

http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/trillions.html

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 12:54 | 2445236 Bob
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Death Panels at long last then?

C'mon, if Bruce were a partisan shill, it would be on behalf of Republicans.  But, seriously, for the Dims?

This articile is clearly a complaint about the threat of abandonment of the Budget Deal-mandated cuts in spending.  Cuts in spending.

Your response seems derailed by partisan-infused misperception.

Happens to the best of us. 

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 14:00 | 2445376 barliman
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Death panels?

I see no death panels. I see the American people given TWO choices.

  1. Every promise made will be kept other than the most costly, most painful and least beneficial use of medical technology to extend the end of someone's life for an average of a few months.
  2. They can HOPE the massive changes imposed to meet budgetary/fiscal reality will not be too draconian and not FORCE them to have to take the Option 1 path, regardless.

The mandated cuts in spending can be MAGICALLY waved away after January 1, 2013 - they are as illusory and false as everything else the two parties have been saying for the last 30+ years.

Questions?

barliman

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 14:17 | 2445401 Bob
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Death policy rather than panels.  Less arbitrary, I suppose . . . except for the element of wealth defining value of life for them that's got it. 

Few really want to open that can of worms, though.  As long as it can be ignored, it will be. 

My question, though, is how you found grievous fault with my good enemy Bruce?  He was wailing about throwing the planned spending cuts overboard! 

That's unfair. 

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 14:23 | 2445431 barliman
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Bruce closes with this:

"There is a near zero chance for America to address the fiscal cliff that is coming on Jan 1 before the election. I think there is also a zero chance that it will get resolved in the six-weeks following the vote. Those G8 leaders have every reason to be worried. So should the markets."

A completley accurate statement. We are deadlocked. The Republican proposals have no more chance of passage than the Preident's proposed budget ... which just got voted down 99-0 for a SECOND time in the U.S. Senate.

So whose water is Bruce carrying with EVERYTHING that came before his close?

barliman

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 14:38 | 2445462 Bob
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Is that the Blue Team?  Or the Red Team?  I'm color blind any more. 

That said, I'd say it's definitely the Cut Spending Team's water. That position is typically attributed to the Tea Party in modern media fiction, however, not the Dims. 

Bruce wants to keep his money.  Count on it. 

You go, Bruce! 

He's a cheerleader for cutting spending/taxes.  Always.  Including here, imo. 

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 12:42 | 2445223 Bruce Krasting
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Jeepers Barliman! Did you forget to take your pills today??

I'm not shilling for Obama or anyone else. In this article I point out that the FUCKING Republicans you love so much are FUCKING liars. Just like the Democrats.

You describe what you would do as if we lived in eutopia. We don't, you don't either.

Mon, 05/21/2012 - 10:41 | 2447489 Mercury
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BRRRRRwwwwRRRWWWWW! THUMP!.....GONE!

Catchy campaign slogan though, you have to admit.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 13:47 | 2445340 barliman
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Bruce,

If this was a medication problem, it would be easily solved. You have also responded to enough of my posts over the years to know my position is there is not a dime's worth of difference between the two parties - they are BOTH the problem. BOTH of the parties are corrupt to their core.

What I have proposed is not a Utopian solution. It is the only solution we have left. We cannot continue the current levels of SPENDING because they guarantee we will never get back to sustainable levels.

These proposals have a good deal of pain and dispute built into them. Hence, the take two months of "discussion" before coming back to take on Defense. The discussion of priorities would likely shift some politicians sacred cows around and enforce a reality about Defense spending that might otherwise be avoided.

I think you've got enough data to make an accurate judgement regarding the entitlements under Option 1 and Option2 I have laid out.

Would those two options provide us with a path to reigning in entitlement spending overhang and give us a balanced budget pathway at the same time?

barliman

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 13:04 | 2445257 laughnow
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Spot on Bruce. Its fitting that the blood drinking, war loving Rinos see that a vote Romney is the same as Obama. Both love war and death, both want to usurp the Constitution. the only candidate that could have made a difference was rejected by non thinking, navel gazing, vampire Rinos. Rinos are a pathetic lot, just like Dems. No difference, no hope.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 13:12 | 2445275 malikai
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They don't want to usurp the Constitution. The damn thing is just in the way all the time. Best we just forget about it and watch some Jersey Shore. I'm told it makes you feel better. Or perhaps not at all.

By the way, there is NO suitable solution to the mess in SS/Medicare. The solution which will occur, regardless of what it is, will not be "good" for anyone.

Now, if only those great minds who sacked us with this instrument of bad math/corruption had thought about their ilk's propensity to pillage..

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 13:10 | 2445269 falak pema
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Rino horns call a premium price in Chinatown; just saying; is rino hunting a legal game in the US?

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 14:14 | 2445405 barliman
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Hmmm .... not a RINO ...

... and I shoot back.

barliman

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 12:40 | 2445219 Ag Star
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and all of those extraordinary means of life support are very painful-- and you die anyway when your old and diseased.  The process just makes more money for the sick-care industry.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 14:14 | 2445402 barliman
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My father had a quadruple bypass at age 82 after he had a massive heart attack. My brother authorised the procedure. Watching the massive changes it made in my father scarred my brother. A man who had been vital and active up to the heart attack was reduced to a shell of his former self who was in pain until his death years later.

Both of my parents set up living wills directing a "do not resuscitate" policy after my father's heart attack.  They both passed away in hospice.

My wife and I have the same type of living will we have gone over with our children. A couple of years ago, my "coin flip" came up and I lived.

My brother acknowledged a year after the bypass, he would never have authorized the operation if he had thought only of our father and the "quality of life" he would have after it.

barliman

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 15:16 | 2445542 oldman
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That 'quality of life' is most important and the reason I am spending a year in the sea, body surfing. An experiment to see how far I can 'reverse' the aging process; it cannot be done, of course, but I am spending an hour at a time in the surf each day which the most I could do 35 years ago. And that is what I refer to as reversing the aging process. Six months into the game, I feel pretty vital energetically, but my goal in all of this is to die in good health. I, like you, have made the neccessary arrangements except for the hospice. This I feel is a really great solution to the cost of keeping people alive past their time.

It is not for everyone, but I will sign up as soon as this option is given. Thanks   barliman       om

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 12:39 | 2445217 oldman
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@barliman

Fucking brilliant this:

You will receive all benefits as originally promised prior to Day 2 provided you agree to opt out of any expensive extraordinary treatment for an "end of life" situation and will instead accept hospice care to make your passing as painless as possible. If you choose to pay for your own extraordinary treatment you will still receive your original benefits but acknowledge there will be no extensive police investigations if you pass away suddenly before such treatment can be carried out.

This oldman will sign onto this as soon as he can----Dying is a natural cause of death, so why not be natural?

how do i get out of this bold?

I guess I don't

Anyway, barliman, put me first on the list to sign----it is THE great idea on this medi-shit problem

thanks, dude                om

Mon, 05/21/2012 - 11:02 | 2447556 gaoptimize
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We are ~two decades away from solving the aging/death BIO-ENGINEERING problem.  This could be accelerated with the right regulatory reforms and refocus of the $$Bs being spent researching treatments of symptoms rather than the cause.  Take care of yourselves, if you have arteriosclerosis, bypass the bypass by getting yourself on apple vinegar and chelate that plaque away with EDTA!.  Live healthy until the Methuselarity.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 12:27 | 2445190 malikai
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He's not a shill. He's stuck in the same world we all are in and has to make a buck somehow. You can't make a buck if you don't understand what the "leaders" are going to do in our managed economy.

Do not confuse understanding with acceptance.

That said, I'm with the others here who say the answer will be found in the ctrl + p keys.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 11:23 | 2445096 bigwavedave
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Romney will order printing...Obama will order printing. Benanke is a printer. What else do we need to know?

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 11:17 | 2445091 DoctoRx
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Sad to see you haven't moved to the post-partisan mood that is broadly present on ZH, Bruce.  As if it's only the fault of those bad red staters.  LOL 

This emphasis rather than a broader perspective marks you as part of the problem, not part of the solution. 

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 11:12 | 2445081 the grateful un...
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Congressional GOP wants Obama to veto their defense spending bill, to make him look weak on defense (in an election year). the real surprise was the cozy relationship with POTUS and Hollande. if Obama wins the election this signals a powershift in US/EU relations. when you say you don't trust the USA, you don't understand the USA.

is Romney in the EU austerity camp? doubtful. it gives him some ammunition to critisize the Socialist government in France, but its superficial. in the end he either wants them to monetize the problem or for Bernanke to figure out some QE which puts a bid under sovereign debt. Romneys game plan is the standard GOP barbell approach, make concessions to Wall Street (and defense) and give the poor social conservatism, gay marriage and abortion. [leave out the middle class and the bourgeois] so of course you can trust them to do play their role in this meeting.

W Bush used the war on terror and the Nato missiles aimed at Moscow program to push the EU toward more conservative leaders. the USA you don't trust provides leadership, the roles are well defined, now the austerity camp [Merkel] finds itself on the other side. look for her to be replaced by a more progressive candidate, as long as Obama holds power after Nov.

the only issue is who is Romney? we dont' really know, Bush pretended to be a classic conservative, [he couldn't be trusted, obviously because he lied, he was a globalist, on macroeconomic matters] i don't hear Romney saying those classic conservative things, but he might take EU austerity as a plank just to give Obama something to think about. either way the new kid in the EU is Hollande.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 20:38 | 2446089 BeetleBailey
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Hey Grateful: FUCK Obama!

We don't know much about his lying ass either, the motherfucking Kenyian, lying ass douchebag power grabbing Arab bastard.

And fuck the pablum spewing douchebag main stream media turds as well. The sweat off my ball sac is worth more than those cunts - combined.

I don't give a fuck what others say on here.

If I had to choose between Romney and Obama, I'd take Romney and not look back.

If I could INSTALL a president, it would be Ron Paul (and a out-front FUCK YOU to the turds on here like Max Fischer and Million Dollar Dingleberry on that).

Go ahead and junk me fuckers.......I am so sick of these liberal pukes who lie like rolling out of bed in the morning.

Oh....one more thing. Fuck George Bush too - both of them.

Sun, 05/20/2012 - 11:04 | 2445070 bigwavedave
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Sun, 05/20/2012 - 10:56 | 2445052 max2205
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BK. never use Obama and slave in the same sentence.

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