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The CIA and Other Government Agencies Dominate Movies and Television

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 The CIA and Other Government Agencies Dominate Movies and Television


Rob Kall points out that" title="">" target="_blank" title="the military-industrial complex is the winner">the military-industrial complex is the winner of the Golden Globe award:

Homeland won best TV series, best TV actor and actress. It IS a highly entertaining show which actually portrays some of the flaws of the MIIC system


Argo won best movie and best director. It glorifies the CIA and Ben Affleck spoke with the highest praise for the CIA.


And best actress went to Jessica Chastain of Zero Dark Thirty, a movie that has been vilified for propagandizing the use of torture.




The Military Industrial Intelligence Complex is playing a more and more pervasive role in our lives.  In the" title="">" id="_GPLITA_1" style="text-decoration: underline;" title="Click to Continue > by Text-Enhance">next few years we’ll be seeing movies that focus on the use of drone technology in police and spy work in the USA. We’ve already been seeing movies that show how spies can violate every aspect of our privacy– of the most intimate parts of our lives. By making movies and TV series that celebrate these cancerous extensions of the police state Hollywood and the big studios are normalizing the ideas they present us with– lying to the public, routinely creating fraudulent stories as covers for what’s really going on.




I was hoping that Zero Dark Thirty would come up without any awards. I was hoping that at least such blatant propaganda promoting  the lie that torture works would be repudiated by the Golden Globes. That didn’t happen.




The truth is we do live in a time when the police have been massively militarized. We don’t need movies or TV shows that celebrate that militarization. We don’t need entertainment that normalizes the obscene violations of our privacy that the intelligence state is inflicting upon us. We need stories that celebrate people who stand up to this seemingly irrepressible tide that is washing away our freedoms, sucking up all our resources and erasing the last bastions of privacy.

David Walsh notes that" title="">" target="_blank" title="the real winner of the 2013 Academy Awards is the CIA">the real winner of the 2013 Academy Awards is the CIA:

Zero Dark Thirty, Kathryn Bigelow’s quasi-fascistic glorification of the role played by the CIA in the so-called “war on terror” … was tapped for five awards.

Of course,there is plenty of other" title="">" title="war is fun">war-o-tainment. being peddled by Hollywood.

The military has long had a direct influence on Hollywood. For example, a book published by the" title="">" id="_GPLITA_0" style="text-decoration: underline;" title="Click to Continue > by Text-Enhance">University of Texas" title="">" target="_blank" title="points out">points out:

The Central Intelligence Agency has been actively engaged in shaping the content of film and television, especially since it established an entertainment industry liaison program in the mid-1990s.

The book laments:

The significant influence that the CIA now wields in Hollywood

Gizmodo" target="_blank" title="reports">reports:

The CIA has" title="">" target="_blank" title="a pile of script ideas lying around">a pile of script ideas lying around.




The Department of Defense and just about every branch of the military has an entertainment industry liaison similar to the CIA’s.


If you want to make a war film and need" title="">" target="_blank" title="a fleet of F-22s">a fleet of F-22s, a crowd of Marines, or a" id="_GPLITA_1" target="_blank" title="Click to Continue > by Text-Enhance">Navy aircraft carrier, just call up the" title="">" target="_blank" title="Department of Defense’s entertainment media office">Department of Defense’s entertainment media office and they’ll tell you if the Army can spare that" title="">" target="_blank" title="M1A1 Abrams tank">M1A1 Abrams tank you’ve always wanted for a day or two of filming.


“The scripts we get are only the writer’s idea of how the Department of Defense operates,” Vince Ogilvie, deputy director of the Defense Department’s entertainment liaison office, told Danger Room. “We make sure the Department and facilities and people are portrayed in the most accurate and positive light possible.”


Hollywood has been working with government organizations to make more credible films for years (for instance, Jerry Bruckheimer and Paramount Pictures worked closely with the Pentagon when filming the 1986 blockbuster “Top Gun”). But the phenomenon is under newfound scrutiny. There was a bit of a kerfuffle recently when some in the press and in Congress speculated about whether the government will give" title="">" id="_GPLITA_2" style="text-decoration: underline;" title="Click to Continue > by Text-Enhance">Sony Pictures any pointers while they make a film about the killing of Osama bin Laden.


In a" title="">" target="_blank" title="letter to the Defense Department and CIA">letter to the Defense Department and CIA last month, Rep. Peter King expressed outrage at the Pentagon’s relationship with the film’s director, Kathyrn Bigelow. King claimed that she had already been made privy to sensitive information that could put American lives at risk.




Standard procedure is to review the script, make notes on what the Defense Department would like changed, and kick it back to the producer. If the changes are made, the military will provide whatever help they can – declassified information, equipment, personnel, etc. – for a price.




Why has the Defense Department recently partnered with 20th Century Fox to make an" title="">" target="_blank" title="X-Men/U.S. Army ad">X-Men/U.S. Army ad or with explosion-enthusiast Michael Bay to make all three" title="">" target="_blank" title="Transformers">Transformers movies? In" title="">" target="_blank" title="The Washington Post">The Washington Post, David Sirota suggests entertainment like this is “government-subsidized propaganda.”

The Guardian" title="">" target="_blank" title="noted">noted in 2001 that this has been happening for a long time:

For the first time in its history, the [CIA] has appointed an official PR liaison with Hollywood: veteran CIA operative Chase Brandon, whose 25-year career was spent defending democracy, it says here, in benighted South American theatres of the cold war.


These days, his brief is to preach a revised CIA gospel to Tinseltown, to overcome the lamentable image the agency acquired during the 1977 Church Congressional Commission on Assassinations, which it has struggled to shake off.




Other government agencies like the FBI, the Secret Service and the armed services discovered long ago the benefits of lending their cooperation to movies like Silence of the Lambs, In the Line of Fire and Top Gun.


Coming late to the game, the beleaguered CIA now has to overcome 25 years of suspicion – not to mention a grim history of covert assassinations, secret wars, illegal coups d’état, and the damaging revelations of former agents such as Philip Agee or John Stockwell – if it wants to clean up its image. This may be an uphill struggle, as the agency faces criticism for its failure to predict the events of September 11 – but suddenly, perhaps fortuitously, a slew of movies and TV shows about the CIA will be launched this autumn.


Brandon and the agency have approved eye-opening stuff. The Agency is a new CBS drama, full of best-and- brightest types rolling up their sleeves and attacking problems of national security, West Wing-style. Its first episode depicted a CIA attempt to foil an assassination attempt on Fidel Castro. This might surprise anyone remembering the agency’s attempts in the early 1960s to knock off Fidel with exploding cigars, sub-contracted mobsters and chemicals designed to make his beard fall out – to say nothing of the abortive Bay of Pigs invasion.




The company also lent their support to Alias, an action series featuring Jennifer Garner as a grad student-superspy a few degrees

away from La Femme Nikita. The Chris Rock-Anthony Hopkins comedy Bad Company traffics in similar comic-strip depictions of the CIA that Brandon was happy to help.




Receipt of the CIA’s corporate imprimatur is conditional upon only one thing: a totally sympathetic portrayal of company business.




It used to be the case that if a movie explicitly condemned CIA actions – such as Under Fire – the studios could be counted on to bury it.

In fact, the CIA first started working with Hollywood" title="">" target="_blank" title="in the 1950s">in the 1950s:

The CIA has been working with Hollywood since the 1950s.




The CIA first started working with Hollywood to influence foreign audiences. “Their purpose was essentially to shape foreign policy or to win hearts and minds overseas during the cold war,” she says.


The CIA developed a think tank to fight communist ideology, which negotiated the rights to George Orwell’s “" target="_blank" title="Animal Farm">Animal Farm” — getting a talking pig on the screen 20 years before “Charlotte’s Web.” Jenkins says the CIA also wanted to promote a certain view of American life, for instance pressing for line changes in 1950s scripts to make black characters more dignified, and white characters more tolerant. This “politically correct” image was intended to promote an attractive image of America to a world picking sides in the Cold War.

Of course, pro-torture productions such as Zero Dark Thirty and the" title="">" target="_blank" title="CIA-sponsored">CIA-sponsored tv show 24 are 100%" title="">" title="false">false:  the top conservative and liberal interrogation experts say that torture" title="">" title="hurts rather than helps">hurts rather than helps national security.

And the CIA’s drone problem" title="">" title="creates many more terrorists than it kills">creates many more terrorists than it kills.

And the CIA’s other efforts have made us" title="">" title="more vulnerable … not safer">more vulnerable … not safer.

But this is Tinseltown we’re talking about … so no one expects the truth.

Of course, the CIA and other government agencies have long" title="">" title="directed the mainstream media">directed the mainstream media as well.

No wonder the mainstream media is" title="">" title="always pro-war">always pro-war, and" title="">" title="happily trumpets disinformation">happily trumpets disinformation about supposed enemies to drum up support for new wars.  Even after the Iraq WMD propaganda was thoroughly debunked, the old media is" title="">" title="at it again">at it again


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Sat, 01/26/2013 - 12:38 | Link to Comment zdk45
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"The power under the Constituion will ALWAYS be under the people. It is entrusted for certain defined purposes, and for a certain limited period, to representatives of their own choosing; and whenever it is executed contrary to their interest, or not agreeable to their wishes, their servants can and undoubtedly will be recalled."

                                                                                                                     -George Washington


Sun, 01/20/2013 - 21:27 | Link to Comment malek
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You really missed the boat here.

Kathryn Bigelow has already won an Oscar with the scales tilted to her favor by political correctness. So by definition she cannot be the bad guy, uh gal.
Anybody evaluating other possible explanations is a conspiracy theorist. /s

Fri, 01/18/2013 - 05:29 | Link to Comment Disenchanted
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I wonder how much of a role this place played in the production of Gov't propaganda...


Lookout Mountain Laboratory (aka Lookout Mountain Air Force Station)

Secret Film Studio: Lookout Mountain



and finally...

Lookout Mountain Airforce Station - Atlas Obscura


Los Angeles, California is the epicenter of the movie-making industry, so it should come as no surprise that the US military had its own studio in LA. Known as Lookout Mountain Air Force Station, or Lookout Mountain Laboratory, what made this studio special is that the films produced there were all classified.


For twenty-two years, the military operated its own studio on Wonderland Avenue in Laurel Canyon. Like any other film-making compound in Hollywood, the 100,000 square foot, fully-operational studio featured soundstages, screening rooms, film-processing labs and even an animation department. But still a military compound, it also featured a bomb shelter, a helicopter landing pad, 17 climate-controlled vaults and two underground parking garages.


The studio was secretly established in 1947, though the Air Force has since stressed that the facility was used solely for the Atomic Energy Commission. During this time, cameramen, who referred to themselves as "atomic" cinematographers, were hired to shoot footage of atomic bomb tests in Nevada, Utah, New Mexico and the South Pacific. While the Air Force contends that these atomic features were the only movies made, it is believed that some 19,000 "films" were produced on Lookout Mountain between 1947-1969. That's 500 more films than Hollywood produced during the same period, and only a few dozen of them have been declassified.


Less scandalous, there is evidence that the military conducted many advanced research experiments for Hollywood studios, such as developing 3-D techniques and Vista Vision. Employees from big studios, such as Warner Brothers and MGM, were also known to frequent the lot. Additionally, Hollywood stars like Walt Disney, Marilyn Monroe, and even Ronald Reagan were given special clearance to use Lookout Mountain's facilities, though the reason for their visits remain undisclosed.


Though the studio employed over 250 people, its existence remained unknown to the general public until the 1990s. The studio was decommissioned in 1969. Today the 2.5-acre studio is a private residence and belongs to a Municipal Court Commissioner and an artist.


How many snuff films did it produce? I'd bet my last dollar there's a movie out there somewhere of the ritual 'Black Dahlia' murder(Warning gruesome NSFW pics at that Black Dahlia link)...A movie that could well have been made by Lookout Mountain affiliated personnel.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 12:21 | Link to Comment Money 4 Nothing
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From my below post, expanding on the short answer I left *if* this community requested additional explaination to my comment.

Rule number 1, (back in the day) the CIA was to work offshore only and was illegal to excersize their skill sets better known as "Tradecraft" here stateside, but the latter seems to be the case now or days. The CIA standing Ethos / orders have always been to NOT Psyop American citizens, either release nothing about intell gathering or have the truth of a matter (acheived goal or failure) be reviewed through departmental specialists for further risk / agenda assesment for narrative control, then adjusted as necessary for American AP media consumption if so deemed that a case or planted story may be accreditied to Spec Ops / Spec forces when seen fit to acheive a certain objective or to give credit for a goal acheived in theater that may eventually migrate or become leaked into foreign news outlets that could eventually find it's way stateside in the form of front page news and to head off an operation gone sideways in a very public way or to spin off a story at the pass, this is known as clandestine damage control of a narrative. I mean.. God forbid the American citizens find out whats really going on overseas.

 "Our failures are known, our successes are NOT"

In my humble *opinion* the CIA has been Co-opted more notably just prior to 9/11 to form future US and global challenges of policy shaping here and abroad also better known as the Bush Doctrine. Allot of Patriotic agents (if you want to call them that) have retired or have been pigeon holed / compartmentalized into a more sterilized, laser focused intell gathering controlled atmosphere discluded from any domestic acronyms known as FBI, NSA and DOJ et al data sharing in my *opinion* for ultimate control over any situation under the guise of plausable deniability but operating under a veil of secrecy for unilateral maximum control of colladeral damage which could compromise an objective or feild operator in any situation.

Personally, I'm okay with that, the general public or the world for that matter doesn't need a daily play by play of any intell data collection that may need to be sat on or studied for future asset development to further our security objectives in the feild. Just don't let us find out later that we have been compromised to the point that our feild agents or non NOC have been outed and are in peril as to avoid future Benghazi situations on our hands needlessly losing American lifes because of an inter office communication break down which wasn't the case there to begin with but that's another story. 4 American represenatives dead and everyone in the Op / communication loop stands silent? Why? I know.

 Switching gears. On to the Pat Tillman case, (from what I remember) was writing letters home to his family, "parents" from his overseas assigned tour was complaining about what his mission objectives of his Army Ranger special forces assigned mission in the Taliban controlled lawless Eastern border of Afghanistan was subsequently spilling the preverbial beans and caught by 35 Tango info specialists a little too late but eventually reported up the chain of command, his letters of decent were finding there way into DOD and kicked up to Gen. Stanley McChrystals office eventually after the, in my *opinion* purposefull friendly frag event. He discovered fatefully that all is not what it seems. 

Later discovered CIA involvement was leaked out allegedly, that the battle for Tora Bora was to exhume the body of Osama Bin Laden and Tillmans unit fell into heavy resistance from the local loyalists Mujahidine otherwise known as Al Queada defending his grave site. Search Stratford files for more info of Bin Ladens body becoming discovered on a CIA aircraft in Dover Delaware recently. It's public knowledge now that we fund and arm Al Queada to do our stealth bidding overseas. Syria for example.

Reported in our MSM shortly after his murder, and this statement needs verification from years of memory and time gone by. The US Marine Corps. were guarding poppy harvest with the excuse, "If we don't harvest it, the local Taliban will harvest it and reap the financial rewards of "illegal" drug trade so it was reported it was more advantagous for us to over see the poppy destruction, Eeerr, production of Opious than leave it in the hands of "terrorists". (Interview MSM stateside video of Marine represenative attesting to the above statement is available on youtube). We burned out any close competitors feilds who would not either reliquish their land or cease poppy production. "Competition is a sin."  -John D. Rockefeller.

With that said. the intell came in from what they called a UCAV aka Preditor Drone that was trolling a grid tracking the assembly of suspected operatives attending a funeral being held in the foothills of Tora Bore app. June  / July of 2002. Many high ranking Al Queada officials were reported to be attending in what they described as a funeral, filmed by our drone as reported on American MSM news outlets, then the story went cold and dissapeared from our "trusted" news sources and never to be repeated or updated ever again.

 The Airforce, (so they say) requested to fire on the procession, and a stand down order was given to not fire on these high ranking officers of whom we just engagued in a war over the attacks of 9/11 of domestic soil. Reason given, there was a Saudi diplomat sharing or in the same airspace grid as the UCAV / funeral procession and were ordered NOT to fire on approximatly 45-60 "high ranking" Al Queada represenative, armed with hellfire or a close similly of stinger / sidewinder style armorment. Our Military Industrial complex knew these facts and it was recorded on GPS coordinance for future reference. His head was facing Mecca in accordance to strict Muslim custom.

I digress, but this was the funeral for Osama Bin Laden that had succum to Marfan syndrome 6 months after his dire state of health prognosis from our Navy Hospital located in Dubai, aka UE on July 4th 2001. Yea, treated and released from American soil. Search: Le Figero news.

These facts were backed up in the early months of 2002, (about the same time a posted One Million dollar reward from the US was placed on his head, "dead or alive" later upped to 27 Million Dollars USD) Later it was posted US will not pay 25 Million Dollar reward for the kill and or capture of one Osama Bin Laden, aka Tim Osman CIA feild operative, and for good reasons, may as well make it a One Trillion Dollar reward because he would never be found to capture or kill besides recovering a dead body from 2001 ish.

His death was highley Reported overseas along with his death notices posted in his home town and death certificate was posted in their local news papers (needs translation on pages) and backed up in late 2006 by Benazir Bhuto and Omar Sharif on RT affirming knowledge of his death and querring American media why this fact hasn't been reported stateside? We were playing a game of Global infiltration on the premise he and his fighters were borderless and mobile. Toppling Soveriegn Nations in the name of global security and installing central banks immediately in our wake of a sucessfull over throw of a government just to install our own puppets protested by their citizenry, yea, this is waaay bigger on a global scale than you think.

 Under friendly fire, Pat Tillman "puffed" red smoke signaling cease fire to his "unit" that was firing on his position in the hills, the Red smoke was ignored by "troop" subsequentially killing a real American Patriot and the cover up began. The battle for Tora Bora ensued for days until the enemy was beaten back into the northern territory of Kabul just south of Bagram and the body was successfully recovered.



Thu, 01/17/2013 - 11:02 | Link to Comment Der Wille Zur Macht
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Modern hollywood films give me that warm, glowing, boner of jingoism that we all know and love.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 10:38 | Link to Comment eatapeach
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I'm pretty distracted now. False flag on the way?

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 09:31 | Link to Comment loregnum
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Zero Dark Thirty realley pisses me off and the fact I have to see it mentioned if I go to any movie based sites like imdb along with having to turn the channel if its trailer comes on during a sporting event. How frigging obvious could that raid being BS be? That people actually believe it is frightening and shows just how easy it will be to do anything and get the sheeple to believe it since these people behind this crap don't even have to TRY now. That is what is so annoying about the osama raid myth. They knew it'd be bought so well they didn't even try at all to make it believable. Insults me. So nice to see you need NO EVIDENCE (and in this case all the 'evidence' released otherwise says it never happened like a lame home movie of a guy who cleary isn't osama and the fact nobody saw the idiotic body dump) now to say something is true for the sheeple to gobble it up and if one clearly points out it is BS they are trashed as kooks and conspiracy theorists. Just have Obombya or anyone in the government tell you something and bam, believe it when the beauty is we are talking about a group of people who have been shown to lie and yet somehow the sheeple don't care. Iraw WMDs anyone?


My view is that anyone who blindly believes clear BS coming from the government deserves what is going to happen to them.


I won't even get started in on the obvious staged shootings that have happened in the last 6-7 months. I really like the Aurora one where they have patsy James Holmes bringing 2 trillion gas masks to the scene and the other crap that clearly shows it was multiple shooters. Oh and to explain one gas mask being 200 feet away from his car they say the police just happened to pick it up and move it. Uh huh. Too abd there wasn't any leaked cell phone video shot showing the official story to be BS so the govt and law enforcement could say it was digitally altered like R Kelly saying his pee was all digital in that vid with the teenager years ago.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 09:24 | Link to Comment Mi Naem
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The points made seem to be correct, but the text was too tedious to wade through.  The code may have been appropriate for the format of the page from which it was extracted, but it sure needed correction before being plopped into a ZH post. 

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 09:09 | Link to Comment CPL
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You know the metric to success in a movie or a tv show now is seeing if you are cared enough about to be torrented, youtube hidden and smut site hidden.


Homeland is just below 1995 Barney. (lol)

Zero Dark Thirty is poorly edited, story is loose, the acting was strained, the characters are flat and there are android apps that are more widely downloaded.  It's also the most heavily tracked of all torrents right now.  So download it and you will be getting a visit from someone I'm sure.  So learn how to read a torrent to make sure it's safe.


Government has been making films for a long time.  Other than the laughable content of Jimmy's first date and Stop Drop and Roll has been replaced with shody script writing and a watered down baby version of 24.  Although I wouldn't even put it in the same ball park.  Heroes season 4 is the level of acting and writing, production is identical now.


So you can have all the money in the world, but the lack of talent in the subject of entertainment shows every time something worth spilt is jammed in the awards.  Sticks out like a sore thumb and everyone knows it.


Thu, 01/17/2013 - 11:24 | Link to Comment 1100-TACTICAL-12
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Who do yall reckon is paying for all the helicopters , jets & shit they use in these movies?

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 12:01 | Link to Comment CPL
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They buy them in govenrment auctions.  Can't give away a jet, just like the after market value of an SUV is worth piss in a cup.  Ever notice that SUV's and large vechiles are the back drop to most of the movies.


It's because you can buy them nickles on the dollar in a repo auction then blow them up in movies.  Certainly never see a Toyota echo, a Cessna or a Piper being blown up.  Those actually have an ROI.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 09:35 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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You know the metric to success in a movie or a tv show now is seeing if you are cared enough about to be torrented, youtube hidden and smut site hidden.

That might be a valuable measure. Will check that.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 10:20 | Link to Comment CPL
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The correlation between box office success and the amount of cam versions out there is well noted in media journals and a couple of the entertainment geeks I know won't shut up about it as a metric.


Theory goes that if it's a good movie people will risk bringing a camcorder in to 'release' it early.  The cam versions are usually pretty shoddy and it forces people to the theatre to watch it in 3D HiDef awesomeness.  It's how I measure films now.  Watch the first ten minutes, if the hook isn't there, I'm not spending a penny at the theatre.  The Hobbit and Jango were awesome.  Zero Dark Thirty, waste of time for everyone involved, it's a snore fest.  Even the action scenes are boring a shit with the worst aspects of Jerry Bruchimer (spelling, the guy that did transformers)

Nobody bothered making a screener for ZDT.  The version running around is DVD quality so the process of piracy skipped a couple of steps and most of the trackers are data centers.  They are begging for views and attempting to build some sort of unqualified consensus with poor story telling.  Which is surprising that an agency so well known for stories can't seem to get one worth watching on the big screen.

Oh well, pink slips are coming for all of them so by proxy of math and maybe we can get good story telling back on movie screens versus the amateur crap being offered.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 07:34 | Link to Comment Peter Pan
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And the sad thing is that sheeple love all these CIA productions and flock to watch them. It's enough to make you give up hope for humanity and replace it with contempt.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 06:38 | Link to Comment nathan1234
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The CIA stands for

Crooked Inimical Americans


Thu, 01/17/2013 - 10:22 | Link to Comment Pontius
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Christians In Action

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 07:42 | Link to Comment Peter Pan
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For those who contemplated on how to revenge themselves on America for real or imagined grievances, it is now clear that the CIA and associated agencies are doing it better than any foreign agency could.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 05:21 | Link to Comment Joe A
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Do you know the movie Starship Troopers? Paul Verhoeven takes a piss at a future fascist world where violence is glorified and indoctrination is at every level. Based on a book, by I forgot who, the story is about about some invasion by aliens -the external enemy- which then is fought. Full of whoah shouting space marines etc. etc. The book and movie ahead of its time.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 09:34 | Link to Comment TheMerryPrankster
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I love that  author "Iforgot Who", I have all of his books. My time management software was written by his cousin "Iforgot When" Great stuff.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 14:12 | Link to Comment Joe A
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Does he also have a cousin who wrote "Iforgot why" stuff?

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 09:14 | Link to Comment tip e. canoe
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Heinlein wrote the book, though the movie is much different thematically.   Verhoeven brought the ironic satire to the forefront in the film.    still way over most peoples' heads, which is exactly what i think Verhoeven was attempting to show.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 09:06 | Link to Comment One of these is...
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Which is why we HAVE so sort out the star trek technology as soon as possible.

Somewhere in the galaxy there are a load of insectoid aliens watching our old programming, and when that film arrives do you think they will just be sitting there enjoying the show?

We need to be ready for them when they come to get us...


BTW, neither of the sequels are a patch on the original.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 08:35 | Link to Comment Terp
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Awesome movie.


"Would you like to know more?"

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 09:05 | Link to Comment Joe A
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Brilliant. The violence in the movie brought as entertainment and infotainment.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 05:41 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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'American' cultural items are tailored to provide a sense of gratification, of enhancement to their target audience: the 'american' middle class.

There is no other message, content to be found in them than what pleases and flatters 'american' middle classers.

Any attempt to reflect upon themselves is mediated into what 'americans' call "self criticism" which is just censorship.

As 'Americans' monopolize the views on themselves, it prevents others from taking charge of providing criticism of 'americans' and 'americanism'

No matter what this 'american' movie claims to be, it is in the end only a praise to the 'american' middle class.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 06:58 | Link to Comment Joe A
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It takes a piss at American exceptionalism. But a lot of people just don't get this movie and there lies the beauty of the sarcasm of the movie.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 04:52 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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On the actor:

The guy is not paid to reflect his personal opinion. He is just a model 'Americans' project themselves in. What he must say is what 'americans' want to say or say.

The guy is just an attractive loudspeaker, as 'americans' are not so attractive. That is the actor's job.

On torture: classical 'american' pattern. 'Americans' came up condemning the King's justice for torture. Big legacy here. Now 'Americans' torture themselves. But it is different. Torture, this time, is to save lifes. Because saving lifes, that is what 'americans' do. So it is better that torture to be depicted as saving lifes, and not destroying lifes.
Torture, destroying lifes, that is when the King used it.

Again, all these people are just mouth pieces for the 'american' middle class. They have no other talent than providing an attractive body for 'americans' to relate with.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 04:47 | Link to Comment Setarcos
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And then there are corporations like SERCO, which maybe you have not heard of:

Watch and wonder.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 04:47 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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Once again, this 'american' propagandist at work.

Hollywood, the media and the rest are all submitted to the whims, wishes, wants, fantasies of their master.

And their master is the 'american' middle class.

Hollywood only exists to send back a flattering image to the 'american' middle class.

The 'american' middle class is their target audience and this target audience expects gratification by watching what they expect on the screen.

All these rewards are not determined by some shadow control by the CIA or something. They are determined by the love, support, dedication the 'american' middle class provide to this kind of institutions.

Corporations are creatures of 'american' middle class societies. Corporations live by selling to 'americans'. You wont sell to 'americans' what they do not want to buy. It comes from their consent.

Every single successful movie, TV show, book, comics reflects how the 'american' middle class wants to perceive themselves and the world.

The CIA is just a servant to the 'american' middle class.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 21:34 | Link to Comment Joseph Jones
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It's about time someone around here stood up for the Rabbis! 

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 06:17 | Link to Comment IamtheREALmario
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Not exactly sure what your agenda is, but the American Middle Class is nothing other than a product of past policies, economic and social. It is not monolithic. It has no communal mind or agenda. For the most part it is made up of good people who want a safe and productive world to raise their children. They do not want wars and mostly hate the wars that the elitist cronies force us into. The middle class does not care about overlords as long as the overlords do not impose themselves on the middle class life (a prior unwritten pact that is now changing).

What the American people are told they want in terms of entertainment and an idealized life is what has been propagandized to them over more tha 80 years. People are of course impressionable and can be marketed many things, including sin and waste.

Maybe you should come to the US and experience the American middle class. Attend a church. Watch a kids soccer game and the actions of the parents. See a school musical production. Then when more infomed try commenting again.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 10:06 | Link to Comment forwardho
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I am,

Please don't feed the trolls!

If ignored. they go to haunt other strands.

AA will suck you in and waste your time.

Carry on.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 15:27 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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If ignored. they go to haunt other strands.

That should disqualify me as a troll.

Oh wait, ah 'american' so double standards...

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 09:52 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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Maybe you should come to the US and experience the American middle class. Attend a church. Watch a kids soccer game and the actions of the parents. See a school musical production. Then when more infomed try commenting again.

Or maybe I've done that and more and speak out of this experience.

But hey, better for 'americans' to think that they are misunderstood people, whose ways are not properly known and interpretated.

'Americans' still want the 1777 magic to be ongoing. You have to believe that 'americans' fight for their natural rights' theory.

After they stole entire continents, you have to believe they consider property an unalienable right.

If you do not believe that, that is because you have not met enough soccer moms.


Thu, 01/17/2013 - 09:48 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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What the American people are told they want in terms of entertainment and an idealized life is what has been propagandized to them over more tha 80 years. People are of course impressionable and can be marketed many things, including sin and waste.

'Americans' select what they want to buy, watch, experience etc

A huge marketing campaign to force 'americans' to buy something that is viscerally un-'american' wont work.

'Americans' dictate their wants to movie makers.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 09:47 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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The middle class does not care about overlords as long as the overlords do not impose themselves on the middle class life (a prior unwritten pact that is now changing).

Absolutely. 'Americans' do not disagree with tyranny. They disagree with being tyrannized.

As long as their servants in the political classes manage to tyrannize other people to the 'american' middle class' benefit, it is all good. But when the middle class starts to fall on the wrong side of 'americanism', well, that is another story.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 09:44 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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economic and social. It is not monolithic. It has no communal mind or agenda. For the most part it is made up of good people who want a safe and productive world to raise their children.

The 'american' middle class is not monolithic? Is the 'american' middle class is not monolithic, what is monolithic?

Production is consumption. And indeed, the 'american' middle class want to consume. And if it takes to steal the land from some Indians, the 'american' middle class will empower any of their elected servants who provide a plan to steal the land.
They do not want wars and mostly hate the wars that the elitist cronies force us into.
The 'american' middle class want war. They thrive off wars and want the opportunities coming with them.
The story they do not want wars etc was grounded for the King's army. Certainly not for 'american' nations.

The King's army was a lower class institution. People did not want to join.
'American' nations'army are middle class institutions. People fight to join.

Same scene, different times: a guy weeps at the exit of an army recruitment bureau.

King's time: the guy cries because he's been drunk into joining the military by the recruitment sergeant.

'American' time: the guy cries because he's been rejected from enlisting.

Check the desertion rate between the King's army and an 'american' nation army.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 08:05 | Link to Comment overmedicatedun...
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not ot, in nam we watched peasents who just wanted to grow rice, raise kids, they did not seem all that interested in uncle ho's henchmen and were  confused and pissed off at the american soldier in their land..seems the fly over usa is much like those rice farmers although we do not work as hard and have little of their wisdom of thousand years of evil elite and corrupt govs coming and going thru time. we are the water the top elite reptiles swim thru and are blind to it, cia dia nsa tsa hls ...on and on just mob enforcers for the elite

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 04:39 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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Thu, 01/17/2013 - 04:25 | Link to Comment Hobie
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Conditioning. Ignorant. Adults.

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 02:07 | Link to Comment TulsaTime
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And yet, the truth is seen and percolates out of these dream fests.  Even in the USSR, the lies left holes that the truth could shine out of.  A great example has emerged from the coverage of Occupy.  It was totally obvious that every iota of government effort was straining to portray them as selfish, dangerous, drug addled, covert terrorists, liberty haters, and probably even litterbugs.  The masses bought in, but thinking people were not fooled by the torrent of lies and misinformation that changed with the wind and conflicted with itself more often than not.  Now in the aftermath we see all the things that were denied, but that we knew were going on in the background. 

Much like the republicans are flailing themselves into a frenzy as they become less relevant, central 'Authority' fights ever harder to be less relevant.  The mass of the creature means that it has less ability to exert external influences, because it takes more and more energy just to administer itself.

goodby boys, i may not see you fail, but someone i know will......

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 02:06 | Link to Comment TulsaTime
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And yet, the truth is seen and percolates out of these dream fests.  Even in the USSR, the lies left holes that the truth could shine out of.  A great example has emerged from the coverage of Occupy.  It was totally obvious that every iota of government effort was straining to portray them as selfish, dangerous, drug addled, covert terrorists, liberty haters, and probably even litterbugs.  The masses bought in, but thinking people were not fooled by the torrent of lies and misinformation that changed with the wind and conflicted with itself more often than not.  Now in the aftermath we see all the things that were denied, but that we knew were going on in the background. 

Much like the republicans are flailing themselves into a frenzy as they become less relevant, central 'Authority' fights ever harder to be less relevant.  The mass of the creature means that it has less ability to exert external influences, because it takes more and more energy just to administer itself.

goodby boys, i may not see you fail, but someone i know will......

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 00:57 | Link to Comment the grateful un...
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at first i thought you might go off on Lincoln, which i can despise from a distance, (just as i despised Schindlers List, without seeing it)  i am not critcizing the film but i know why and how it was made, and i therefore have no interest. while I like almost all of Eastwood's films, I despise Unforgiven for the same reason. they are made to satisfy some cheap sentiment (the union had to be defended, the jews are getting cooked, guns and violence are bad). and cheap sentiments are almost always tautologies, the good is good, the bad is bad, and a few moments of reflection when in doubt only reinforces the notion for the dough brained audience. some years hollywood just goes to sleep. there's nothing better, and something other than cream rises to the top. but 1941, and grand torino are pretty nice movies. film is by nature propaganda, its only when it goes against character that we find it interesting. 

Thu, 01/17/2013 - 21:33 | Link to Comment Joseph Jones
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Just another in the endless Judaic/Talmudic lies/myths swallowed hole by the West, especially Churchianity: In Rabbi Spielberg's Schindler's List, the suffering Judaics give Schindler a memorial (forgot what it is) with an inscription the Jews say is from the Talmud (the holiest book of all Judaism): "If you save one life you save the whole world."

One problem.  Rabbi Speilberg left out one little ever-so-slightly offensive word from the actual vs.  See if you can catch it. 

"If you save one Jewish life you save the whole wolrd."

The Rabbis certainly get a laugh leading their naive, idiotic slavish sycophant "goyim" (mongrel non-human mix) around by the nose with these little tricks.

Maybe you women will like this daily Talmudic prayer by Judaic males:

"Thank you g_d you did not make me a slave, a goyim, nor a woman."

Ya'll gettin' the Judaic love yet?  

Oh, those little rascally Rabbis! 


Wed, 01/16/2013 - 23:50 | Link to Comment tony bonn
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george i love you to death but this is not news.....the cia has controlled the major media since the murders people when they stray off the reservation - dorothy kilgallen being a fine example....

in fact, those preposterous videos claiming to show bin laden in a cave were produced on sound lots either in hollywood or langley....people when are you going to wake up from your drunken stupor?? i could hardly get up off the floor from laughing when i saw those things...

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 23:14 | Link to Comment CoolBeans
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As many posters have said, "This is old news".  However, they are growing ever more bold by the day - and that is truly frightening.  Imagine all that's going on behind the scenes (no pun intended).  

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 23:14 | Link to Comment alien-IQ
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It's not just that the CIA helps produce the propaganda that Hollywood whores peddle. The CIA is also in the business of making sure certain films DON"T get made. Such was the case with the 1973 film "The Spook Who Sat by the Door".

And this is not an isolated incident. The problem is that the films that are successfully prevented from being made, you'll never hear about.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 22:16 | Link to Comment Pseudo Anonym
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NASA is the pioneer and also successful in fx entertainment; take for example moon landing.  that was pretty good and convincing for that time of b&w teevee

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 21:06 | Link to Comment Drnumbers
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The most ironic conundrum for conspiracy theorists, by definition and practice there is no room for one random act.

Wed, 01/16/2013 - 20:56 | Link to Comment williambanzai7
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