9/11 Military Trial Judge - Like 9/11 Commission - Frustrated by Government Shenanigans

George Washington's picture

Huffington Post reports:

A judge expressed frustration on Monday that an unknown U.S. government entity censored his courtroom audiovisual feed, cutting public access to pretrial hearings for five accused Sept. 11 plotters.


“If some external body is turning the commission on or off based on their own views of what things ought to be, with no reasonable explanation … then we’re going to have a little meeting about who turns that light on and off,” said the judge, Col. James Pohl.


Pohl’s comments came after an unknown censor cut off a live media feed to the court proceedings as David Nevin, a lawyer defending Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, began discussing his request for information on his client’s case.




A court security officer positioned next to the judge has the ability to dump the feed if anything secret arises. That officer didn’t activate the censorship button on Monday.




“I would like to know who has the permission to turn that light on and off, who is listening to this, who is controlling these proceedings, or controlling that aspect of these proceedings,” Nevin said.

This is just one of a series of outrages regarding investigation and trial of alleged 9/11 terrorists.

In 2008, the former chief prosecutor for Guantánamo’s military commissions disclosed that the trials have been rigged to prevent the possibility of acquittal. Specifically, the head of the Guantanamo tribunal — who is actually in charge of both prosecuting and defending the suspects — told the former chief prosecutor:

Wait a minute, we can’t have acquittals. If we’ve been holding these guys for so long, how can we explain letting them get off? We can’t have acquittals, we’ve got to have convictions.

In addition, three other Guantanamo prosecutors — Maj. Robert Preston, Capt. John Carr and Capt. Carrie Wolf — “asked to be relieved of duties after saying they were concerned that the process was rigged. One said he had been assured he didn’t need to worry about building a proper case; convictions were assured.”

Another former Guantanamo prosecutor resigned, saying in a sworn declaration that the government pulled all sorts of shenanigans in one case.

The head of the tribunal also said that — even if the defendants are somehow acquitted — they may not be released from Guantanamo.

No wonder the American Bar Association, “which the Pentagon had said would help arrange such representation, has refused to participate because it objects to the trial procedures.” And no wonder the defense attorneys who have agreed to represent the defendants say that the process is completely unfair. See also this interview.

MSNBC speculated that the U.S. put a “stun belt” on alleged terrorist Moussaoui during his trial to keep him in line:

9/11 Commissioners Slam Blatant Obstruction of Justice

The 9/11 Commissioners publicly expressed anger at cover ups and obstructions of justice by the government into a real 9/11 investigation:

  • The Commission’s co-chairs said that the CIA (and likely the White House) “obstructed our investigation”
  • The Senior Counsel to the 9/11 Commission (John Farmer) – who led the 9/11 staff’s inquiry – said “At some level of the government, at some point in time…there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened“. He also said “I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described …. The tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years…. This is not spin. This is not true.”

And the Co-Chair of the official Congressional Inquiry Into 9/11 – and former head of the Senate Intelligence Committee – has called for a new 9/11 investigation.

Some examples of obstruction of justice into the 9/11 investigation include:

  • An FBI informant hosted and rented a room to two hijackers in 2000. Specifically, investigators for the Congressional Joint Inquiry discovered that an FBI informant had hosted and even rented a room to two hijackers in 2000 and that, when the Inquiry sought to interview the informant, the FBI refused outright, and then hid him in an unknown location, and that a high-level FBI official stated these blocking maneuvers were undertaken under orders from the White House. As the New York Times notes:

    Senator Bob Graham, the Florida Democrat who is a former chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, accused the White House on Tuesday of covering up evidence ….The accusation stems from the Federal Bureau of Investigation’s refusal to allow investigators for a Congressional inquiry and the independent Sept. 11 commission to interview an informant, Abdussattar Shaikh, who had been the landlord in San Diego of two Sept. 11 hijackers.

  • The chairs of both the 9/11 Commission and the Official Congressional Inquiry into 9/11 said that Soviet-style government “minders” obstructed the investigation into 9/11 by intimidating witnesses
  • The 9/11 Commissioners concluded that officials from the Pentagon lied to the Commission, and considered recommending criminal charges for such false statements
  • As reported by ACLU, FireDogLake, RawStory and many others, declassified documents shows that Senior Bush administration officials sternly cautioned the 9/11 Commission against probing too deeply into the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001

Both the 9/11 Trials and the 9/11 Commission Investigation Were Based on Unreliable Evidence Produced by Torture

The CIA videotaped the interrogation of 9/11 suspects, falsely told the 9/11 Commission that there were no videotapes or other records of the interrogations, and then illegally destroyed all of the tapes and transcripts of the interrogations.

9/11 Commission co-chairs Thomas Keane and Lee Hamilton wrote:

Those who knew about those videotapes — and did not tell us about them — obstructed our investigation.

The chief lawyer for Guantanamo litigation – Vijay Padmanabhan – said that torture of 9/11 suspects was widespread. And Susan J. Crawford, the senior Pentagon official overseeing the military commissions at Guantánamo — the novel system of trials for terror suspects that was conceived in the wake of the 9/11 attacks — told Bob Woodward:

We tortured Qahtani. His treatment met the legal definition of torture.

Moreover, the type of torture used by the U.S. on the Guantanamo suspects is of a special type. Senator Levin revealed that the the U.S. used Communist torture techniques specifically aimed at creating false confessions. (and see this, this, this and this).  And according to NBC News:

  • Much of the 9/11 Commission Report was based upon the testimony of people who were tortured
  • At least four of the people whose interrogation figured in the 9/11 Commission Report have claimed that they told interrogators information as a way to stop being “tortured.”
  • One of the Commission’s main sources of information was tortured until he agreed to sign a confession that he was NOT EVEN ALLOWED TO READ
  • The 9/11 Commission itself doubted the accuracy of the torture confessions, and yet kept their doubts to themselves

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Disenchanted's picture

Who was determining what the 9/11 Commission would address?


Philip D. Zelikow
Executive Director


Look into him and decide for yourselves. Yup, he's another member of that 'special' tribe. 


Here's just one example of Zelikow's perfidy:


MAIDHC Ó CATHAIL: Pentagon Author Exposes Zelikow’s Key Role in 9/11 Cover-Up


Philip D. Zelikow - SourceWatch

Disenchanted's picture

And while I'm at it, here's another 9/11 gatekeeper...from the 'left' Noam Chomsky(you know...the really really 'smart guy'):


September 11, 2001

Noam Chomsky has acted as the premier Left gatekeeper in the aftermath of the 9-11 crimes, lashing out at the 9-11 truth movement and claiming [that] any suggestions of government complicity are fabrications. The "radical" Chomsky takes a position so deeply rooted in denial that it makes the staged 9-11 whitewash commission look like an honest study. He belligerently refuses to discuss any of the massive evidence proving government foreknowledge and participation in the crimes, claiming it would destroy the activist movements worldwide:


"If the left spends its time on this, that's the end of the left, in my opinion: the mainstream would be utterly delighted. It is highly likely that nothing significant will be found. And if -- which I very greatly doubt -- something is found that would quickly send everyone in Washington to the death chamber, the left is unlikely to emerge triumphant."


In other words, Chomsky is telling his followers to ignore the evidence because according to him, none exists. However even if there is massive evidence, responsible activists should ignore it because it would be "the end of the Left." Chomsky's role as a 9-11 gatekeeper goes even further as he denies each piece of evidence individually. The following examples should suffice:


continued at: http://modernhistoryproject.org/mhp?Article=NoamAsset#911



Clashfan's picture

Chomsky has a lot of brilliance on many, many subjects.

Sadly, ultimately, he's a disappointment.

He's as disappointing on JFK as he is on 911, too.

Even the 911 Commissioners don't believe their own story, so how can someone as smart as Chomsky not see this? There's no excuse for him. He's obviously a liar.


From the above link:

The 9/11 Commission now tells us that the official version of 9/11 was based on false testimony and documents and is almost entirely untrue. The details of this massive cover-up are carefully outlined in a book by John Farmer, who was the Senior Counsel for the 9/11 Commission.

Farmer, Dean of Rutger Universities' School of Law and former Attorney General of New Jersey, was responsible for drafting the original flawed 9/11 report.

Does Farmer have cooperation and agreement from other members of the Commission? Yes. Did they say Bush ordered 9/11? No. Do they say that the 9/11 Commission was lied to by the FBI, CIA, Whitehouse and NORAD? Yes. Is there full documentary proof of this? Yes.

Farmer states...“at some level of the government, at some point in time…there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened... I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described …. The [Norad air defense] tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years. This is not spin.”

The 9/11 Commission head, Thomas Kean, was the Republican governor of New Jersey. He had the following to say... “We to this day don’t know why NORAD [the North American Aerospace Command] told us what they told us, it was just so far from the truth. . . " When Bush's own handpicked commission failed to go along with the cover up and requested a criminal investigation, why was nothing done?

9/11 Commission member and former US Senator, Bob Kerrey, says, "No one is more qualified to write the definitive book about the tragedy of 9/11 than John Farmer. Fortunately, he has done so. Even more fortunately the language is clear, alive and instructive for anyone who wants to make certain this never happens again."

With the only "official" 9/11 report now totally false, where do we go from here? Who is hurt by these lies? The families of the victims of 9/11 have fought, for years, to get to the truth. For years, our government has hidden behind lies and secrecy to deny them closure.

In 2006, The Washington Post reported..."Suspicion of wrongdoing ran so deep that the 10-member commission, in a secret meeting at the end of its tenure in summer 2004, debated referring the matter to the Justice Department for criminal investigation, according to several commission sources. Staff members and some commissioners thought that e-mails and other evidence provided enough probable cause to believe that military and aviation officials violated the law by making false statements to Congress and to the commission..."

What does Farmer's book tell us? Farmer offers no solutions, only a total and full rejection of what was told and his own his own ideas concerning the total failure of honesty on the part of the government, a government with something to hide.

Reptil's picture

a STUN BELT? a WHAT??!!!

WTFUD's picture

If some thieving dog broke into my house and damaged or stole my property i would leave no stone unturned to find out who? when? how? would not give the public servants a days rest. and so the biggest attack on US soil is not only Not worthy of a Full investigation but hamperred at every level as TFUTB ( too fucked up to believe ). and yet the $100's of billions dished out from " the sheeples taxes " for Hopeland Security and various mutant cells and secret underground slimey villages exists for your safety. gimme your arse and i have your soul.

overmedicatedundersexed's picture

All I know is I do not believe anything from .gov or bls or imf or .msm. 911 had planes hitting buildings thousands died and two wars later we have homeland sec, tsa ,and you can’t fly without anal probing - a president with no history, a manchurian mulatto destroying the economy of usa . Deibold voting machines with no record of my vote as quick as milliseconds later,

.911 the why and the control of this event has been hidden is as obvious as magic bullets in Dallas - and navy destroyers being shot at in the gulf of Tonkin,but , tin foil is my hat, crazy as a loon is my game..for in insanity it all makes sense and is somehow bearable.

mendolover's picture

Now if this guy is so guilty, why would the prosecutor want to drop conspiracy charges?


Interview with Barbara Honneger - http://prn.fm/2013/01/21/progressive-commentary-hour-october-surprise-012113/#axzz2JbWIAoLu

More shenanigans - http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2013/01/is-uk-defense-contractor-planning.html

Maybe a helpful way to get a newbie to take a baby step into this issue would be to have them research the fact that cell phone technology in 2001 did not allow a call to be made from an airliner in flight?  I know it's been fifty years since our last real president was taken from us, and most people still don't give a shit about the truth, but we need to start planting some seeds guys!

tony bonn's picture

the hitman will be doing extra hours to silence and murder all of the people who know that the bush crime syndicate orchestrated and profitted immensely from 9/11....al qaeda is a franchise of the bcs and cia and operates under thier full control....the controlled demolitions of the wtc, the absence of any plane at the pentagon - it all - poof - disappeard - just like the magic bullet weaved and dodged through kennedy and connally, and the nuclear radiation at ground zero demonstrate that a bunch of backward arabs did not blow up the wtc....

bush, rumsfeld, cheney, gates, cuomo, walker, rockefeller, and a host of other powerful oligarchs conducted that attack.....consequently obstruction of justice is the order of the day....none of those arabs trotted out before the public was involved in the murders - the murders all lead back to the offices and homes of the murderers i just cited.....

DavidPierre's picture

All this shit goes back a long, long time.

1951:  Yes, Prescott, there is a Santa Claus.

Prescott Bush, whose run for the Senate has been unsuccessful following revelations about his role in the American eugenics movement, hits the jackpot.

Front man and errand boy for the Harriman and Rockefeller families in their business dealings with the Nazis from 1926 to 1951, including the period throughout World War Two, Bush neatly evades prosecution with the legal assistance of ever-present Nazi shyster and fellow Hitler Project luminary Allen Dulles.

Instead of doing hard time in the slammer for treason, Bush is handed about $1.5 million in Nazi assets, primarily shares of the Nazi front Union Banking Corporation, which had been seized in 1942 under the Trading With The Enemy Act. The Nazi cash forms a big chunk of the Bush family fortune and will doubtless be of much help to Bush's son, George "Bailout" Bush, and his grandson, George "I'm A Lyin' Guy" Bush, in their successful quests for the presidency of the United States.

But Prescott Bush and his father-in-law, Herbert Walker, are only minority shareholders and front men of the Nazi front Union Banking Corporation. It is really owned by none other than Roland and Averell Harriman along with a host of other Nazi operations which had been seized under the Trading With The Enemy Act. These include the Holland-American Trading Corporation, the Seamless Steel Equipment Corporation and the Silesian-American Corporation which used slave labor from Auschwitz.

The estimated value of the Harrimans' Nazi assets is three billion dollars, a staggering amount of money in 1951.


The Lord takes a hand and gives Nazi front man and unprosecuted traitor Prescott Bush a second crack at a Senate seat and a ride into office on Ike's coattails.

The 48-year-old senator from Connecticut, James O'Brien McMahon, contracts cancer and dies. Bush gets the Republican Senate nomination at a special meeting, with the backing of the Yale-dominated state party leadership. He runs in a special election for the suddenly vacant Senate seat and, as expected, is swept into office on the same electoral ticket as "Ike".

The always cooperative U.S. mass media makes not a mention of Bush's important role in financing the rise of Adolf Hitler. By a technicality, Bush becomes Connecticut's senior Senator, with extra power in Congress. The next regularly-scheduled senatorial race will be in 1956, when McMahon's term would have ended, at which time, Bush can expect once again to ride into office on Eisenhower's coattails.

McMahon's death is convenient and not just for Bush's political ambitions. McMahon had been Assistant U.S. Attorney General, in charge of the Criminal Division, from 1935 to 1939, in a position to know what Bush, the Harrimans, the Rockefellers, the Dulles brothers and the rest of the gang had been doing in Nazi Germany in those years.

Clashfan's picture

Yes, DP, and check where the Dulles brothers first worked upon graduation from Princeton.

Money 4 Nothing's picture

Check out 9-11 reaserch web site for some of the best info on the net.

Some search terms to look into. 

BLS AND NTSB both concure, flight 11 and 77 never went wheels up the morning of 9-11-2001.There are interdepartmental lettersbetween the two agencies discussing in detail these findings listed above.

Search: "Buzzy" Krongaurd. Sibel Edmonds. Condoliza Rice Commission testimony confirming and testifying to the fact she had fore knowledge of the eventin the form of intel papers. She warned Willie Brown not to fly on 9-11. "We just didn't take it seriously" unquote

Who owned the security infrastructure for the Trade Towers complex and Dulles Airport?

 Why was Dick Cheney named acting director of NORAD just for The day on 9-11?

Who is Norman Minetta and what was his testimoney about to the Commission? Who is Kurt Shonefeld? And the evidence of malfeasants goes on and on.

Watch this and you will leave this thread with no doubt, 9-11 was not an inside job, it was a contracted job. Jane Standley turned whistle blower afterwards. Building 7 came down in a perfectly orchestrated text book controlled demo style.



Building 7 is NOT mentioned in the 9-11 Commission Report story. 9-11 hasn't been investigated to this day, Bush White House blocked them all at every turn. FEMA was positioned at a pier near WTC Complex the day before 9-11 for a practice drill for radioactive / biological fall out.

All Hi jackers were Saudi Nationals except one.

 Their all war criminals, Con-gress would never appropriate trillions of dollars into Americas Police State security infrastructure without an event like this. 

Zionist ideologues are the problem here. Not Muslims, sorry, but I have to represent this in the correct light.

God Bless. 

Clashfan's picture

Money, if you mean this site, I have to agree that it is the best 911 site I've found so far. AE911 truth is also very good. This one is excellent, though: http://911research.com/

Clashfan's picture

Letsroll, on the other hand, is not as good as 911 research, at least not the last few times I checked.

George Washington's picture

One small correction.  Dick Cheney was in charge of all of America’s counter-terrorism exercises, activities and responses on 9/11. See this Department of State announcement and this CNN article.  As such, at least part of the blame for failing to stop the attacks is on his shoulders.

But I have seen no evidence that he was acting director of Norad. If you have any evidence, I would very much like to see it.

George Washington's picture

I agree with your overall thought... but the word "Norad" doesn't even appear in the post you link to.

Clashfan's picture

GW, maybe I missed it somewhere, but have you ever looked into the mysterious death of Bertha Champagne or the agency known as SECURACOM?

Money 4 Nothing's picture

Dick Cheney acting director of NORAD on 9-11-2001. I still have turbo fan blades and stators. I can only speak eliquently about the Pentagon incident though. The Twin Towers was  Kurt Schoenefelds baby. Thanks Kurt, your a Patriot for the truth.



Search: "Camp No" for more insight on the disposition of these detainees, quite the eye opener. This link will get you started. http://harpers.org/blog/2010/01/the-guantanamo-suicides-a-camp-delta-sergeant-blows-the-whistle/

Thank you for everything you do GW. I appreciate your time and dedication spent on your issues to be brought to the forefront of Americas attention.

VelvetHog's picture

Bring back Dick!

indio007's picture

The entire 9/11 farce is based on KSM's confessions. His "due process" has been bizarre to say the least.

I don't even want to get into the fact that the guy was reported dead 3 times.

Savyindallas's picture

These Fascists are really Stalinists  -Stalin showed us how it was done with his great purges, which included his famous show trials of all the former party leaders , generals and anyone else his paranoid demented mind told him to kill  -first you torture them brutally to get them to confess-if that doesn't work you bring in their family -mother, sisters brothers, wife and even children. Start killing them or torturing them in front of their eyes until you agree to sign a false confession. Then the iny=terrogator proimises to spare and take care of tthe condemned man's family after his death. Then the show trial, then the quit execution by a bullet to the head as you walk down the hall  -then they kill your family.

KSM was waterboarded and tortured extensively to get his confessions. IO think he confessed to just about everything  -including killing MLK and the Kennedy's  -the tapes of his torture and cofessions were destroyed. He WILL confess in open court -no doubt -he likely knows full well they will torture, rape and murder his children if he does not  -they have probably  already given him a demonstration  ,

A. Magnus's picture

People who believe the 'official' story about 9/11 tend to have manginas that can only be properly stimulated by wielding pom-poms and jiggling belly rolls of Twinkie fat while posing as a 'rough and tough asskicker.' For best effect they also wave plenty of Chinese-made plastic American flags.

The easiest way to get rid of infestations of these critters is to hand out flyers to www.goarmy.com, which makes them scram like cockroaches...

Magnum's picture

We are told Khalid Sheikh Mohd is the "mastermind" the same guy who went to an American college as a young man.  The guy in custody doesn't speak a word of English and is a dimwit metally retarded stooge.  He needs a translator and we've never heard a word from him in court testimony anyway.  When it was time to have a trial the media went into overdrive saying he couldn't come to USA for a trial because it's too dangerous, all kinds of crazy people would show up and bomb everyone.  What a farce, and shame on the American people for believing this BS.  Our justice system has lost all crediblity.

WTFUD's picture

Never had Any credibility to begin with!

are we there yet's picture

O.J. Simpson endorses our trial by jury system. Seriously though, why are arab terrorists without a uniform, or adhering to any form of rules of warfare being tried in courts at all.

sosoome's picture

If ever we get a new investigation, it will be based upon the cover-up of what appears to be Saudi involvement, not controlled demolition or missiles, for which there is no evidence.

Money 4 Nothing's picture

I beg to differ. But thats your *opinion and I have to respect it. Just face it before you get blindsided. The time is now to understanding 9-11 and the end result policy fills many means to an end for future security of America especially when their ENDGAME is to remove the Constitution. It served many many purposes to the satinist elite. Subjugation of the last bastion of Freedom in the world. 

They actually want you to think they pulled 9-11 at this point. Feeds into their ownership of your thoughts and fears Thats a tool for social control, Hobgobblins that they will protect you and your children from, they just ask for some Freedoms traded for temporary safety.

I have my 2A and dont fear or require further protection besides from the agencies that want to protect me.

A. Magnus's picture

Bullshit. They found plenty of Nanothermite in the WTC wreckage. Please troll for the feds where it might get some traction...

dadichris's picture

that sounds plausible - because if the Saudi's knew then someone in a US agency knew (or should have known)

Magnum's picture

Insert ISRAELI involvement, under every stone of investigation into 9/11 is mossad and dual-nationals in positions of the highest authority.  Saudi involvement or not, mossad did 9/11.  Check Christopher Bollyn's work on the subject.

Reptil's picture

they (Mossad, CIA) are spooks and there are clear indications that Mossad was involved. but it's not just "zionists", the rabbithole goes deeper.

on the subject of "who pulled off 9-11", this is a very interesting watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_fp5kaVYhk

Clashfan's picture

Oh, come on. Mossad planned our drills on that day? Mossad got the USAF, NORAD, and FAA to tell radically different stories? Mossad got past the Bush-run security (see Securacom) to plant explosives? Mossad got our entire media to participate?

Mossad involvement? Sure. Sure.

Mossad acting alone? No way. Absolutely impossible.

Mossad got the Commission appointed to cover this up?

Hate is an emotion, not a rational examination of the situation.

Magnum's picture

Israel did 9/11 bud all the evidence is there.  

Bollyn.com READ 

Clashfan's picture

Nope. Not reading it until you answer ONE of those questions, bud.

Magnum's picture


How Did Spy Software Get Onto FAA Computers?


PTECH Software

Ptech software "is utilized at the highest levels of almost every government and military and defense organization in this country".

The real key person involved in the development of the company was a Zionist Jewish lawyer named Michael Goff from WorcesterMassachusetts.  Goff also worked for an Israeli-run computer security company called Guardium. 

Monte Belger, Acting Deputy of the FAA from 1997-2002

After he left the FAA, Belger became the "Vice President, Government Connection" of a small Israeli-run company based in the Fort Lauderdale area called U.S. Aviation Technology.  The company was founded by Ehud "Udi" Mendelson, who described himself as "a captain in the prestigious Army Intelligence Unit of the Israel Defense Force." 

Peter Goelz, the former managing director of the NTSB, the federal agency that investigates air crashes, is also named along with Monte Belger as a Vice President, Corporate Strategy, in U.S. Aviation Technology. 


Fix It Again Timmy's picture

But that box cutters blade was at least twice as long as Cheney's dick....

NoTTD's picture

You're a fucking idiot.  Don't ever let anyone tell you differently.  

And stop defaming the name of our country's father by appending it to your gibberish.


onthesquare's picture

This NoTTD is a planted government of the US mole who has numerous alias's and watches ZH for the sole purpose of distracting comments about the articles content.  Pay no attention to these bought off clowns.  There probably sitting in Virginia with a bunch of other sworn to silence baby killers.

WTFx10's picture

Our country's founder and the jiz drinking self serving bankster rectum cleaning fascist losers who run it now are two different things. But you seem to be to stupid to realize it. Or one of them?

Kitler's picture

I understand your anger. It's kind of like the tortured denial you experience when you first find out your wife has been having an affair.


WTFUD's picture

No Kitlar
He's more likely a fat twisted lonely fuck with zero interpersonal skills and whose mother was a junky hooker who kept him locked in a cupboard whilst taking it up the arse from a variety of uncle bucks.

Leto II's picture

WTC Building #7, a 47-story high-rise not hit by an airplane, exhibited all the characteristics of classic controlled demolition with explosives:

  1. Rapid onset of collapse
  2. Sounds of explosions at ground floor – a second before the building's destruction
  3. Symmetrical "structural failure" – through the path of greatest resistance – at free-fall acceleration
  4. Imploded, collapsing completely, and landed in its own footprint
  5. Massive volume of expanding pyroclastic-like clouds
  6. Expert corroboration from the top European controlled demolition professional
  7. Foreknowledge of "collapse" by media, NYPD, FDNY

In the aftermath of WTC7's destruction, strong evidence of demolition using incendiary devices was discovered:

  1. FEMA finds rapid oxidation and intergranular melting on structural steel samples
  2. Several tons of molten metal reported by numerous highly qualified witnesses
  3. Chemical signature of the incendiary thermite found in solidified molten metal, and dust samples

WTC7 exhibited none of the characteristics of destruction by fire:

  1. Slow onset with large visible deformations
  2. Asymmetrical collapse which follows the path of least resistance (laws of conservation of momentum would cause a falling, to the side most damaged by the fires)
  3. Evidence of fire temperatures capable of softening steel
  4. High-rise buildings with much larger, hotter, and longer lasting fires have never collapsed
Herkimer Jerkimer's picture




Where was the several hundred foot high pile of debris after the buildings fell?


Where were the wing-holes on the Pentagon?



El Hosel's picture

Guys with box cutters pulled off the biggest crime against the US ever...   Nobody wants to explain how that happened, and they won't.

janchup's picture

Better check the mirror.