Scorecard: How Many Rights Have Americans REALLY Lost?

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Preface: While a lot of people talk about the loss of our Constitutional liberties, people usually speak in a vague, generalized manner … or focus on only one issue and ignore the rest.

This post explains the liberties guaranteed in the Bill of Rights – the first 10 amendments to the United States Constitution – and provides a scorecard on the extent of the loss of each right.

First Amendment

The 1st Amendment protects speech, religion, assembly and the press:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

However, the government is arresting those speaking out … and violently crushing peaceful assemblies which attempt to petition the government for redress.

A federal judge found that the law allowing indefinite detention of Americans without due process has a “chilling effect” on free speech. And see this and this.

The threat of being labeled a terrorist for exercising our First Amendment rights certainly violates the First Amendment.   The government is using laws to crush dissent, and it’s gotten so bad that even U.S. Supreme Court justices are saying that we are descending into tyranny.

For example, the following actions may get an American citizen living on U.S. soil labeled as a “suspected terrorist” today:

And holding the following beliefs may also be considered grounds for suspected terrorism:

Of course, Muslims are more or less subject to a separate system of justice in America.

And 1st Amendment rights are especially chilled when power has become so concentrated that the same agency which spies on all Americans also decides who should be assassinated.

Second Amendment

The 2nd Amendment states:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Gun control and gun rights advocates obviously have very different views about whether guns are a force for violence or for good.

But even a top liberal Constitutional law expert reluctantly admits  that the right to own a gun is as important a Constitutional right as freedom of speech or religion:

Like many academics, I was happy to blissfully ignore the Second Amendment. It did not fit neatly into my socially liberal agenda.




It is hard to read the Second Amendment and not honestly conclude that the Framers intended gun ownership to be an individual right. It is true that the amendment begins with a reference to militias: “A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.” Accordingly, it is argued, this amendment protects the right of the militia to bear arms, not the individual.


Yet, if true, the Second Amendment would be effectively declared a defunct provision. The National Guard is not a true militia in the sense of the Second Amendment and, since the District and others believe governments can ban guns entirely, the Second Amendment would be read out of existence.




More important, the mere reference to a purpose of the Second Amendment does not alter the fact that an individual right is created. The right of the people to keep and bear arms is stated in the same way as the right to free speech or free press. The statement of a purpose was intended to reaffirm the power of the states and the people against the central government. At the time, many feared the federal government and its national army. Gun ownership was viewed as a deterrent against abuse by the government, which would be less likely to mess with a well-armed populace.


Considering the Framers and their own traditions of hunting and self-defense, it is clear that they would have viewed such ownership as an individual right — consistent with the plain meaning of the amendment.


None of this is easy for someone raised to believe that the Second Amendment was the dividing line between the enlightenment and the dark ages of American culture. Yet, it is time to honestly reconsider this amendment and admit that … here’s the really hard part … the NRA may have been right. This does not mean that Charlton Heston is the new Rosa Parks or that no restrictions can be placed on gun ownership. But it does appear that gun ownership was made a protected right by the Framers and, while we might not celebrate it, it is time that we recognize it.

The gun control debate – including which weapons and magazines are banned – is still in flux …

Third Amendment

The 3rd Amendment prohibits the government forcing people to house soldiers:

No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

Hey … we’re still honoring one of the Amendments! Score one for We the People!

 In America, Journalists Are Considered Terrorists
Painting by Anthony Freda:

Fourth Amendment

The 4th Amendment prevents unlawful search and seizure:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

But the government is flying drones over the American homeland to spy on us.

Senator Rand Paul correctly notes:

The domestic use of drones to spy on Americans clearly violates the Fourth Amendment and limits our rights to personal privacy.

Paul introduced a bill to “protect individual privacy against unwarranted governmental intrusion through the use of unmanned aerial vehicles commonly called drones.”

Emptywheel notes in a post entitled “The OTHER Assault on the Fourth Amendment in the NDAA? Drones at Your Airport?”:



As the map above makes clear–taken from this 2010 report–DOD [the Department of Defense] plans to have drones all over the country by 2015.

Many police departments are also using drones to spy on us. As the Hill reported:

At least 13 state and local police agencies around the country have used drones in the field or in training, according to the Association for Unmanned Vehicle Systems International, an industry trade group. The Federal Aviation Administration has predicted that by the end of the decade, 30,000 commercial and government drones could be flying over U.S. skies.




“Drones should only be used if subject to a powerful framework that regulates their use in order to avoid abuse and invasions of privacy,” Chris Calabrese, a legislative counsel for the American Civil Liberties Union, said during a congressional forum in Texas last month.


He argued police should only fly drones over private property if they have a warrant, information collected with drones should be promptly destroyed when it’s no longer needed and domestic drones should not carry any weapons.


He argued that drones pose a more serious threat to privacy than helicopters because they are cheaper to use and can hover in the sky for longer periods of time.


A congressional report earlier this year predicted that drones could soon be equipped with technologies to identify faces or track people based on their height, age, gender and skin color.

Even without drones, Americans are the most spied on people in world history:

The American government is collecting and storing virtually every phone call, purchases, email,  text message, internet searches, social media communications, health information,  employment history, travel and student records, and virtually all other information of every American.


Some also claim that the government is also using facial recognition software and surveillance cameras to track where everyone is going.  Moreover, cell towers track where your phone is at any moment, and the major cell carriers, including Verizon and AT&T, responded to at least 1.3 million law enforcement requests for cell phone locations and other data in 2011. (And – given that your smartphone routinely sends your location information back to Apple or Google – it would be child’s play for the government to track your location that way.)    Your iPhone, or other brand of smartphone is spying on virtually everything you do  (ProPublica notes: “That’s No Phone. That’s My Tracker“).


As the top spy chief at the U.S. National Security Agency explained this week, the American government is collecting some 100 billion 1,000-character emails per day, and 20 trillion communications of all types per year.


He says that the government has collected all of the communications of congressional leaders, generals and everyone else in the U.S. for the last 10 years.


He further explains that he set up the NSA’s system so that all of the information would automatically be encrypted, so that the government had to obtain a search warrant based upon probably cause before a particular suspect’s communications could be decrypted.  [He specifically did this to comply with the Fourth Amendment's prohibition against unreasonable search and seizure.] But the NSA now collects all data in an unencrypted form, so that no probable cause is needed to view any citizen’s information.  He says that it is actually cheaper and easier to store the data in an encrypted format: so the government’s current system is being done for political – not practical – purposes.


He says that if anyone gets on the government’s “enemies list”, then the stored information will be used to target them. Specifically, he notes that if the government decides it doesn’t like someone, it analyzes all of the data it has collected on that person and his or her associates over the last 10 years to build a case against him.



Wired reports:

Transit authorities in cities across the country are quietly installing microphone-enabled surveillance systems on public buses that would give them the ability to record and store private conversations….


The systems are being installed in San Francisco, Baltimore, and other cities with funding from the Department of Homeland Security in some cases ….


The IP audio-video systems can be accessed remotely via a built-in web server (.pdf), and can be combined with GPS data to track the movement of buses and passengers throughout the city.




The systems use cables or WiFi to pair audio conversations with camera images in order to produce synchronous recordings. Audio and video can be monitored in real-time, but are also stored onboard in blackbox-like devices, generally for 30 days, for later retrieval. Four to six cameras with mics are generally installed throughout a bus, including one near the driver and one on the exterior of the bus.




Privacy and security expert Ashkan Soltani told the Daily that the audio could easily be coupled with facial recognition systems or audio recognition technology to identify passengers caught on the recordings.

RT notes:

Street lights that can spy installed in some American cities


America welcomes a new brand of smart street lightning systems: energy-efficient, long-lasting, complete with LED screens to show ads. They can also spy on citizens in a way George Orwell would not have imagined in his worst nightmare.


With a price tag of $3,000+ apiece, according to an ABC report, the street lights are now being rolled out in Detroit, Chicago and Pittsburgh, and may soon mushroom all across the country.


Part of the Intellistreets systems made by the company Illuminating Concepts, they have a number of “homeland security applications” attached.


Each has a microprocessor “essentially similar to an iPhone,” capable of wireless communication. Each can capture images and count people for the police through a digital camera, record conversations of passers-by and even give voice commands thanks to a built-in speaker.


Ron Harwood, president and founder of Illuminating Concepts, says he eyed the creation of such a system after the 9/11 terrorist attacks and the Hurricane Katrina disaster. He is “working with Homeland Security” to deliver his dream of making people “more informed and safer.”

Fox news notes that the government is insisting that “black boxes” be installed in cars to track your location.

The TSA has moved way past airports, trains and sports stadiums, and is deploying mobile scanners to spy on people all over the place.  This means that traveling within the United States is no longer a private affair.  (And they’re probably bluffing, but the Department of Homeland Security claims they will soon be able to know your adrenaline level, what you ate for breakfast and what you’re thinking … from 164 feet away.)

And Verizon has applied for a patent that would allow your television to track what you are doing, who you are with, what objects you’re holding, and what type of mood you’re in.  Given Verizon and other major carriers responded to at least 1.3 million law enforcement requests for cell phone locations and other data in 2011, such information would not be kept private.  (And some folks could be spying on you through your tv using existing technology.)

Of course, widespread spying on Americans began before 9/11 (confirmed here and here. And see this). So the whole “post-9/11 reality” argument falls flat.

And the spying isn’t being done to keep us safe … but to crush dissent and to smear people who uncover unflattering this about the government … and to help the too big to fail businesses compete against smaller businesses (and here).

In addition, the ACLU published a map in 2006 showing that nearly two-thirds of the American public – 197.4 million people – live within a “constitution-free zone” within 100 miles of land and coastal borders:

The ACLU explained:

  • Normally under the Fourth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, the American people are not generally subject to random and arbitrary stops and searches.
  • The border, however, has always been an exception.  There, the longstanding view is that the normal rules do not apply.  For example the authorities do not need a warrant or probable cause to conduct a “routine search.”
  • But what is “the border”?  According to the government, it  is a 100-mile wide strip that wraps around the “external boundary” of the United States.
  • As a result of this claimed authority, individuals who are far away from the border, American citizens traveling from one place in America to another, are being stopped and harassed in ways that our Constitution does not permit.
  • Border Patrol has been setting up checkpoints inland — on highways in states such as California, Texas and Arizona, and at ferry terminals in Washington State. Typically, the agents ask drivers and passengers about their citizenship.  Unfortunately, our courts so far have permitted these kinds of checkpoints – legally speaking, they are “administrative” stops that are permitted only for the specific purpose of protecting the nation’s borders.  They cannot become general drug-search or other law enforcement efforts.
  • However, these stops by Border Patrol agents are not remaining confined to that border security purpose.  On the roads of California and elsewhere in the nation – places far removed from the actual border – agents are stopping, interrogating, and searching Americans on an everyday basis with absolutely no suspicion of wrongdoing.
  • The bottom line is that the extraordinary authorities that the government possesses at the border are spilling into regular American streets.

Computer World reports today:

Border agents don’t need probable cause and they don’t need a stinking warrant since they don’t need to prove any reasonable suspicion first. Nor, sadly, do two out of three people have First Amendment protection; it is as if DHS has voided those Constitutional amendments and protections they provide to nearly 200 million Americans.




Don’t be silly by thinking this means only if you are physically trying to cross the international border. As we saw when discussing the DEA using license plate readers and data-mining to track Americans movements, the U.S. “border” stretches out 100 miles beyond the true border. Godfather Politics added:

But wait, it gets even better!  If you live anywhere in Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Hawaii, Maine, Massachusetts, Michigan, New Hampshire, New Jersey or Rhode Island, DHS says the search zones encompass the entire state.

Immigrations and Customs Enforcement (ICE) and Customs and Border Protection (CBP) have a “longstanding constitutional and statutory authority permitting suspicionless and warrantless searches of merchandise at the border and its functional equivalent.” This applies to electronic devices, according to the recent CLCR “Border Searches of Electronic Devices” executive summary [PDF]:

Fourth Amendment


The overall authority to conduct border searches without suspicion or warrant is clear and longstanding, and courts have not treated searches of electronic devices any differently than searches of other objects.  We conclude that CBP’s and ICE’s current border search policies comply with the Fourth Amendment.  We also conclude that imposing a requirement that officers have reasonable suspicion in order to conduct a border search of an electronic device would be operationally harmful without concomitant civil rights/civil liberties benefits.  However, we do think that recording more information about why searches are performed would help managers and leadership supervise the use of border search authority, and this is what we recommended; CBP has agreed and has implemented this change beginning in FY2012.


First Amendment


Some critics argue that a heightened level of suspicion should be required before officers search laptop computers in order to avoid chilling First Amendment rights.  However, we conclude that the laptop border searches allowed under the ICE and CBP Directives do not violate travelers’ First Amendment rights.

The ACLU said, Wait one darn minute! Hello, what happened to the Constitution? Where is the rest of CLCR report on the “policy of combing through and sometimes confiscating travelers’ laptops, cell phones, and other electronic devices—even when there is no suspicion of wrongdoing?” DHS maintains it is not violating our constitutional rights, so the ACLU said:

If it’s true that our rights are safe and that DHS is doing all the things it needs to do to safeguard them, then why won’t it show us the results of its assessment? And why would it be legitimate to keep a report about the impact of a policy on the public’s rights hidden from the very public being affected?



As ChristianPost wrote, “Your constitutional rights have been repealed in ten states. No, this isn’t a joke. It is not exaggeration or hyperbole. If you are in ten states in the United States, your some of your rights guaranteed by the Bill of Rights have been made null and void.”


The ACLU filed a Freedom of Information Act request for the entire DHS report about suspicionless and warrantless “border” searches of electronic devices. ACLU attorney Catherine Crump said “We hope to establish that the Department of Homeland Security can’t simply assert that its practices are legitimate without showing us the evidence, and to make it clear that the government’s own analyses of how our fundamental rights apply to new technologies should be openly accessible to the public for review and debate.”


Meanwhile, the EFF has tips to protect yourself and your devices against border searches. If you think you know all about it, then you might try testing your knowledge with a defending privacy at the U.S. border quiz.

Wired pointed out in 2008 that the courts have routinely upheld such constitution-free zones:

Federal agents at the border do not need any reason to search through travelers’ laptops, cell phones or digital cameras for evidence of crimes, a federal appeals court ruled Monday, extending the government’s power to look through belongings like suitcases at the border to electronics.




The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals sided with the government, finding that the so-called border exception to the Fourth Amendment’s prohibition on unreasonable searches applied not just to suitcases and papers, but also to electronics.



Travelers should be aware that anything on their mobile devices can be searched by government agents, who may also seize the devices and keep them for weeks or months. When in doubt, think about whether online storage or encryption might be tools you should use to prevent the feds from rummaging through your journal, your company’s confidential business plans or naked pictures of you and your-of-age partner in adult fun.

Paintings by Anthony Freda:

Fifth Amendment

The 5th Amendment addresses due process of law, eminent domain, double jeopardy and grand jury:

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

But the American government has shredded the 5th Amendment by subjecting us to indefinite detention and taking away our due process rights.

The government claims the right to assassinate or indefinitely detain any American citizen on U.S. citizen without any due process. And see this.

As such, the government is certainly depriving people of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.

There are additional corruptions of 5th Amendment rights – such as property being taken for private purposes.

The percentage of prosecutions in which a defendant is denied a  grand jury is difficult to gauge, as there is so much secrecy surrounding many terrorism trials.

Protection against being tried twice for the same crime after being found innocent (“double jeopardy”) seems to be intact.

HUNG LIBERTY (NYSE)Image by William Banzai

Sixth Amendment

The 6th Amendment guarantees the right to hear the criminal charges levied against us and to be able to confront the witnesses who have testified against us, as well as speedy criminal trials, and a public defender for those who cannot hire an attorney:

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.

Subjecting people to indefinite detention or assassination obviously violates the 6th Amendment right to a jury trial.  In both cases, the defendants is “disposed of” without ever receiving a trial … and often without ever hearing the charges against them.

More and more commonly, the government prosecutes cases based upon “secret evidence” that they don’t show to the defendant … or sometimes even the judge hearing the case.

The government uses “secret evidence” to spy on Americans, prosecute leaking or terrorism charges (even against U.S. soldiers) and even assassinate people.  And see this and this.

Secret witnesses are being used in some cases. And sometimes lawyers are not even allowed to read their own briefs.

Indeed, even the laws themselves are now starting to be kept secret.  And it’s about to get a lot worse.

True – when defendants are afforded a jury trial – they are provided with assistance of counsel. However, the austerity caused by redistribution of wealth to the super-elite is causing severe budget cuts to the courts and the public defenders’ offices nationwide.

Moreover, there are two systems of justice in America … one for the big banks and other fatcats, and one for everyone else.   The government made it official policy not to prosecute fraud, even though fraud is the main business model adopted by Wall Street.  Indeed, the biggest financial crime in world history, the largest insider trading scandal of all time, illegal raiding of customer accounts and blatant financing of drug cartels and terrorists have all been committed recently without any real criminal prosecution or jail time.

On the other hand, government prosecutors are using the legal system to  crush dissent and to silence whistleblowers.

And some of the nation’s most powerful judges have lost their independence  … and are in bed with the powers-that-be.

Seventh Amendment

The 7th Amendment guarantees trial by jury in federal court for civil cases:

In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

As far as we know, this right is still being respected.  However – as noted above – the austerity caused by redistribution of wealth to the super-elite is causing severe budget cuts to the courts, resulting in the wheels of justice slowing down considerably.

Painting by Anthony Freda:

Eighth Amendment

The 8th Amendment prohibits cruel and unusual punishment:

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Indefinite detention and assassination are obviously cruel and unusual punishment.

The widespread system of torture carried out in the last 10 years – with the help of other countriesviolates the 8th Amendment.  Many want to bring it back … or at least justify its past use.

While Justice Scalia disingenuously argues that torture does not constitute cruel and unusual punishment because it is meant to produce information – not punish – he’s wrong.  It’s not only cruel and unusual … it is technically a form of terrorism.

And government whistleblowers are being cruelly and unusually punished with unduly harsh sentences meant to intimidate anyone else from speaking out.

Ninth Amendment

The 9th Amendment provides that people have other rights, even if they aren’t specifically listed in the Constitution:

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

The government has trampled our basic rights as human beings.  While we can debate about what our inherent rights as human beings are, the government should not actively encourage fraud and manipulation. In reality – through the malignant, symbiotic relationship between big government and big corporations, the government is interfering with our aspirations for economic freedom, safe food and water (instead of arsenic-laden, genetically engineered junk), to be free of undue health hazards such as irradiation due to government support of archaic nuclear power designs, and our yearning for a level playing field … as opposed to our crony capitalist system in which the little guy has no shot due to redistribution of wealth from the middle class to the super-elite, and government support of white collar criminals.


Tenth Amendment

The 10th Amendment provides that powers not specifically given to the Federal government are reserved to the states or individual:

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Two of the central principles of America’s Founding Fathers are:

(1) The government is created and empowered with the consent of the people




(2) Separation of powers

Today, most Americans believe that the government is threatening – rather than protect – freedom, and that it is no longer acting with the “consent of the governed”.

And the federal government is trampling the separation of powers by stepping on the toes of the states and the people.  For example, former head S&L prosecutor Bill Black – now a professor of law and economics – notes:

The Federal Reserve Bank of New York and the resident examiners and regional staff of the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency [both]  competed to weaken federal regulation and aggressively used the preemption doctrine to try to prevent state investigations of and actions against fraudulent mortgage lenders.

Indeed, the federal government is doing everything it can be stick its nose into every aspect of our lives … and act like Big Brother.

Conclusion: While a few of the liberties enshrined in the Bill of Rights still exist, the overall scorecard of the government’s respect for our basic freedom is a failing grade.

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diogeneslaertius's picture

they will never successfully disarm us in an open conflict

the logistics arent there


i will fucking die on my front door step first and i know that the majority of people feel the same where i live in MN

of course i wont be on my front door step when the SHTF but i digress


good tune as usual TH :)

new game's picture

im not alone here in da snota libtard baston of hope and change.

i count three against ...

so there is hope?

varnelius's picture

First comment after finally getting my account approved, have to give a major shout out to wbanzai7...  keep up the good work.

williambanzai7's picture

Thanks and welcome to ZH/Fight Club!

I did this one four months before Occupy Wall Street, which in hindsight was sadly prescient. I also started with the drones over America in very early 2011.

Shizzmoney's picture

That pic sums up everything, banzai.

The only thing missing is Jaime Dimon raping the Statue of Liberty while eating our futures.

Ljoot's picture

WTF, a down arrow? Got ourselves a real art critic, we do.


CH1's picture

Can we get a Troll of The Month award?


The Second Rule's picture

Nice touch taking on O'Reilly, darling of Silicon Valley, and the guy who coined the phrase "Web 2.0." Watch some of his videos on Youtube. He thinks de-privatization of information is great! Can't get enough of it!

ZeroAvatar's picture

WB!  I see you're still up and at 'em!

diogeneslaertius's picture

astarte hangs

while the people awaken

someone get me a Phrygian cap because this shit is on like donkey kong 

nmewn's picture

At the corner of...Axis Avenue & Evil Street.

besnook's picture

crispus attucks, a black man, was the first american killed in the american revolution in the boston massacre. chris dorner, a black man, was the first american killed in the new american revolution burned alive by the police state for questioning their authority with force.

madcows's picture

Dorner was a bad man, not a marter, nor a revolutionary.  Don't hold him up as such.

CH1's picture

Dorner was an angry and confused man. At a bare minimum it was abject murder for him to kill those kids, but...

When people are pushed - again, and again, and again - beyond their limits, with no possible recourse, many of them will 'lose it.'

At that point, it is massively unjust to sanctify the state, who caused the problem in the first place.

Umh's picture

Fun listen; at least the first few minutes. There are some weird thoughts in it too.



nmewn's picture
"How Many Constitutional Freedoms Do We Still Have?"   I STILL HAVE ALL OF THEM.   I relinquish nothing. They do not come from a scrap of paper or men in black robes.
Umh's picture

Big sis; I'm an oldest child and she's a bitch. She was hand picked for the job. They thougth her face was cheaper than a missile. They must have cultivated that sour look.

lakecity55's picture

I wonder if eating pussy is what made her fat and fugly.

DHS- led by Dykes.

White House- led by a queer.

nmewn's picture

lol...yes I know...we've been the object of her/their derision for quite some time.

There is only one thing they can do to assuage their paranoia...but they just can't seem to pull the trigger on it...they seem confused, the point of disarming those sworn to defend & protect the Constitution...

This affront...has NOT gone unnoticed.

SgtSchultz's picture

I happen to know that when Bill Clinton went to Haiti for a photo op of US solders they had to use weapons with no ammo,

the grateful unemployed's picture

obama is not the first, bush had to disarm Marines before he appeared with them. i think it would be interesting to go back and see who was the first.

CompassionateFascist's picture

Obama disabled the Marines' rifles for good reason: afraid he might get the Sadat treatment. Tells us we will have plenty of firepower on our side during Civil War II. USMC firepower. In all candor, I'd much rather be in our shoes than the Regime's. 

diogeneslaertius's picture

anyone bucking for a hot seocnd  american revolution is either an operative or a useful idiot in my book and im not terribly concerned about who agrees with me or not

that is PRECISELY what the enemy wants is to start a shooting war and turn patriots into extremists

that should be OUR thermonuclear solution but instead you seem to want to jump the gun and get everyone slaughtered


im fucking READY

but im not looking to fire the first shot

im looking to awaken enough sheeple to avert that catastrophe because again and again throughout history the same powers that rule us all today have used such revolutions to recycle their own implementation

either immediately, or shortly thereafter as in the U.S.


lakecity55's picture

Yep, each day they try to come up with something to make us shoot first.

We Defend Our Rights.

 We do not fire the first shot.

Meanwhile, 'they' continue to use death squads to knock off SEALS, reporters, etc.

DC has devolved into a cesspool of corrupt  money, homosexuality, pederasty, and unbridled use of assassination against The People.

nmewn's picture

They have always been on our side, they are our brothers, sisters, mothers, dads, neighbors and always will be.

Don't let anyone ever tell you different...they tell us more with what is not said while suffering these indignities and humiliation's than what they will ever say...publicly.

They take their oath very seriously.

diogeneslaertius's picture

the highest paid mercs do PMC side jobs for the guys with deep pockets- its not the rank and file anyone is even worried about is it? of course they are shoulder-to-shoulder thats what oath keepers is all about...


but there is plenty of organized muscle on the enemy's side - don't kid yourselves

hell in some way iraq et al. has merely been a pitbull factory, the PMC space is clear lead on this because most of the recruitment is from distressed regions, iraq was created as a laboratory to train cadres of people who will crush skulls, the suicide rate surpassing combat fatalities is a decent barometer of this

we have overwhelming numbers of good people yes, but to think that the conflict wouldnt be ridiculously catastrophic is a bad piece of judgment in my estimation

we are talking about people who will release a bioweapon and blame it on domestic extremists here


diogeneslaertius's picture

im not saying anything Stewart Rhodes hasnt

The Second Rule's picture

I just want to relay a personal anecdote about my town, and your town may be just the same, or headed that way...

In my town, perched above every traffic light is an entire phalanx of closed circuit video cameras. I am not exaggerating. Every single lane has a camera trained on it at every intersection. It gets worse. My county and all adjacent counties have implemented what's known as "Intelligent Transportation System" (ITS). The degree of invasiveness of ITS is hard to imagine. Your cell phone is tracked between towers providing continuously updated GPS coordinates that are accurate to within a few feet. The radio station you listen to is tracked. You've all seen the inductive loops embedded in the asphault I'm sure. So, your average speed between lights is tracked as well (actually the government has been using this technology at toll crossings for at least 20 years so this is not new). But you get the idea. Everything, down to the gnat's ass is tracked. In NYC the CC cameras are linked to facial and body recognition software. It is capable of identifying anyone in the city matching a description within minutes at most, usually within seconds. They said it couldn't be done, wouldn't be done? Guess again. It is being done. Now.

P.S. This doesn't even begin to cover IPv6 and what that entails. An IP address for every single thing on the planet, down to light bulbs.

NaN's picture and were founded to preserve 4th amendment rights.

The technology trends have been obvious for a long time; the low budget sci fi 1989 movie Split suggested that the most subversive act in the panopticon would be to behave randomly causing false alarms to pop up and drain resources. 

An HD remote camera with cellphone networking costs a few hundred dollars. What will happen when the price reaches $10 or $1? 

Do something subversive and donate/join and today.

diogeneslaertius's picture

ITS is just one module in a much larger nodal network of such platform technologies

The Second Rule's picture

I had to look it up.  I was job hunting and the employer wanted people with ITS experience. I'd never even heard the term before.

diogeneslaertius's picture

welcome to the grid users

you are already carrying the chip around with you because they made it sexy and cool and indispensible

i hear you bro

the fundamental technical aspects of this grid are overwhelming and that new massive data center is a good example of how big the workload of tracking, tracing ,and databasing us human resources has become


smart grid, face recog, DB-driven behavior engines - hell theyve got ppl self geo-tagging every four seconds voluntarily with things like four square


but if you suggest at any point (like with the NICS background check system) that all of this data is being sniffed and parsed they call you a kook


i know there are plenty of people out there who comprehend  the true nature and scope of the transhuman grid we are being inserted into, unfortunately most of them if they get any power end up like aaron swartz eh?

Suisse's picture

IPv6 is coming due to IPv4 exhaustion. 

The Second Rule's picture

I know. I helped implement IPv6 at the last company I worked for. But my point is it is so vast, that every last thing on earth will (or could) have an IP address. Every shirt you own. Every book. Every light bulb in your house. More than enough address space to label everything. And that means people too. It will happen. Just as people are born and assigned social security numbers, they will soon be given an IPv6 number. Not a question of if, but when. So your entire life history, every single page you ever pulled up on the internet, every item you ever bought on Amazon, every email you ever sent, etc., can and will be tracked.

CH1's picture

Tyranny, plain and simple.

I guess Joe Average is waiting for flashing signs... but he'd close his eyes to those too.

The Second Rule's picture

Ray Mcgovern, beaten and thrown in jail. Crime? Turning his back on Hillary Clinton.

cherry picker's picture

I watched it.  There was no heckling I heard or any other disturbance before he got manhandled.


What do you expect from a woman who once proclaimed she would obliterate Iran?  She said something to that effect while running for President.  She would make George W and Obama look like angels if she ever won.



The Second Rule's picture

Nope. As  I said, the only thing McGovern did was stand up and turn his back on her. Ever see the movie Gladiator? Recall Maximus' insult to Commodus. One of my college professors said it's rude to ask rhetorical questions, but I'm gonna do it anyway...Have we become Rome 2.0?

Re: Hillary coming to power. I'm afraid this is going to sound a bit mysoginistic but my experience with women coming to power, either corporate or political, is they want to prove to the boys that they are just as competent, so they often err on the excessive side of nastiness and brutality--consider "Half Mad" Madeleine Albright who, when questioned, said half a million dead Iraqi children was "worth it," i.e., the embargos were worth the cost in lives.

The Second Rule's picture

I just wish Alex Jones could have articulated some of these points when he appeared on Piers Morgan. If he had stuck to his knitting, and talked about the erosion of freedom and constitutional liberties, that would (might anyway) have resonated with viewers much better than his monkey shit-throwing act.

It is precisely because we are headed into inevitable state tyranny that we need to safeguard the 2nd amendment. TPTB know this which is why they are waging a full frontal assault on gun ownership. A people armed cannot be herded nearly as easily. Sorry for the conspiratorial tone. I normally don't sound like this but it's a fact. The highest number of survivors of the Holocaust were the Jews who fought back. Those who meekly climbed aboard the cattle cars all died.

Winston Smith 2009's picture

"I just wish Alex Jones could have articulated some of these points when he appeared on Piers Morgan."

Alex Jones is a hot-headed moron who fell for every novice-level debating trick set by a nearly equally moronic Piers Morgan.  Alex Jones, while correct on some issues, is so far out into space on other topics that he discredits anyone who might raise issues that are counter to conventional media coverage, allowing them all to be labeled as "conspiracy nuts" and ignored.

Want to see someone with a brain who actually knows how to debate and therefore obliterates the hack Morgan?  Watch:

Piers Morgan Gets OWNED By Ben Shapiro

Overfed's picture

Shapiro is way off on a couple of things, like universal background checks, and removal of full autos from the market.

CompassionateFascist's picture

No, this is not the case. The small minority who actively fought back got killed quickly. Cf. Warsaw Ghetto. Zionist-collaborationst Judenraete, on the other hand, did quite well: >50% wound up safe and sound in Israel. Scores of thousands of docile, labor-camp Jews also survived. In fact, of the c. 5 million Jews in Axis Europe, c. 1.5 million survived. And they didn't do so by "resisting".  They just got lucky: French Jews not Lithuanian Jews, & etc. Resistance, of course, has its own Virtue: Honor, and killing off some of the oppressors.   

the grateful unemployed's picture

see the movie "KAPO", same director who did "Battle of Algiers"

The Second Rule's picture

Always interested in another opinion/POV, but the bold italics were unnecessary.

(Didn't junk you BTW)

q99x2's picture

You can get them back if you want them but you have to do what they did in the 1960s. You have to be willing to be shot, bitten by gaurd dogs, thrown into prisons, gassed and here's the part I like, you have to get really heavy acid out for mass ingestion by the general population. That works like a charm. Some decent f'n music wouldn't hurt for a change either.