Buy India, Sell China

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Until recently, India saw itself as an emerging economic powerhouse, the next China so to speak. Those delusions of grandeur led to complacency and the end-result is that GDP growth has slumped to a ten-year low. Most investors are now writing India off as an economic and political basket case. For Asia Confidential, that spells potential opportunity. While India has many problems, they're unlikely to get much worse from here. At 13x forward earnings, with a cyclically low earnings base, the India market looks reasonable value. 

India's rival, China, has far bigger problems, in my view. Current consensus suggests China's economy is recovering, its politicians will ensure this continues and stocks are poised to rebound. I think this will prove very wrong. To prevent a steep economic decline in the middle of last year, China's politicians effectively doubled down on the investment driven, debt fuelled growth strategy which got the country into trouble in the first place. That's led to spiralling asset bubbles and this week's news of likely further monetary tightening confirms the government is worried. It should be.

Two weeks ago, I recommended that investors sell Chinese stocks, after suggesting to buy them in October (and realising a nice gain). Today, I'll outline why Indian stocks offer better prospects over the next 2-3 years. 

India's budget woes

When I first visited India almost 15 years ago, what struck me most was that it was difficult to generalise about anything Indian. It was a land of contradictions. Extreme wealth neighbouring extreme poverty, a deeply corrupt yet full-functioning democracy, an attachment to a welfare state despite recognition of its many limitations and a common national identity but every region having vastly different people, languages and tastes. 

While things have changed a lot in India, many of the contradictions remain. I was reminded of this recently when the government handed down its budget. It's as if the government was trying to take several contradictory policies and meld them into a coherent document. It aimed to appeal to everyone, but pleased few in the end. In some ways, it was a microcosm of India's contradictions.  

The government knows that it's spending beyond its means, but put forward more spending nonetheless, with expenditure forecast to rise 16% over the next year. That's despite threats by ratings agencies to downgrade India's sovereign rating to junk status.

More disturbing is the ongoing rural handouts. The budget announced a 22% hike in agricultural spending and 46% increase in rural development funds. The government is turning to the long tradition of buying rural votes. Even though all the evidence suggests that these subsidies are making farmers stay farmers, rather moving to urban areas. This means these workers are not moving up the value chain and becoming more productive workers, which is holding back the economy.

The government has a stated aim to encourage business investment. Yet the budget announced a 10% surcharge on citizens earning more than 10 million rupees a year. It appears India is copying the developed world's tax-the-rich policies.

The government knows that it needs further reforms to kick-start the economy, end the cycle of elevated inflation and keep the ratings agencies at bay. Yet, the budget provided no reform whatsoever.

It's clear that this was a budget framed with next year's general election front of mind. The government's betting that cash subsidies to voters will outweigh any negative fall-out for the overall economy.

Deeper issues at play

There's no denying India's problems. GDP at 4.8%, inflation stubbornly high at 10% and widening fiscal and current account deficits reflect this. 

The key issue in the short-term is that the government is simply spending too much. The continued hike in rural subsidies is the best explanation for stubbornly high inflation, despite a slowing industrial sector. It's led to a blow out in the country's fiscal position. At the same time, the current account deficit has also widened, driven primarily by India's import of energy. This has put pressure on the rupee, which has created further inflationary pressure. All of this has meant the central bank has been hesitant to aggressively cut rates despite significant economic weakness.

I'd also suggest that there are deeper, structural explanations for India's economic malaise:

·    The spending problems aren't new and reflect a dogged attachment to a welfare state that's ballooned since India became independent more than 60 years ago. A bloated government has led to deep-seated corruption, much of which has recently come to light.

·    Geography remains India's chief structural weakness. As Winston Churchill once said: "India is just a geographical term with no more a political personality than Europe." India's states control more than 50% of all government spending. This de-centralisation of power means each state has a distinct identity and seemingly waning national consciousness.

·    Demographics. I find it a little humorous that the "demographic dividend" is being touted as a significant advantage for emerging countries such as India. I suspect it's a term made up by stock brokers to sell the emerging markets story . After all, it was only a decade again that an alternative term, "population time bomb", was in vogue. The demographic dividend advocates suggest that an increased number of young workers means a more productive workforce and more productive economy. Unfortunately, the theory breaks down if there are no productive careers for the young population. And this is one of India's pressing issues.

All seems priced in

India's problems, both cyclical and structural, are well known. The key question for investors is what could change, for better or worse.

And it's here that I find some grounds for optimism. It seems to me that many of these issues are unlikely to further deteriorate from here. In fact, they may even show signs of improvement over the next 18 months. Consider that:

1. At the start of each of the last four decades, India has undergone some form of fiscal crisis. Each period led to significant reform that propelled economic growth. The cycle of reform, then growth, then complacency, then crisis leading to reform, could well repeat itself this time around. History suggests Indian governments only reform in crisis.

2. Even if there is little reform, there is likely to be a relatively tight rein on spending given threats of ratings agency downgrades. These threats will keep the government in check.

3. Can Indian politics get much worse from here? It could certainly get more interesting given there's a distinct possibility of a new government coming in. The Opposition, Bharatiya Janata Party, has a good chance of defeating the incumbent Indian Congress Party at the next election. Particularly if it's led by the well-known economist reformist, Narendra Modi, the Chief Minister of Gujarat.  

The other thing to consider is that a lot of the negative news appears to be factoring into the Indian stocks. At a 12-month forward earnings ratio of 13x, India isn't expensive compared with its 16x long-term average. Particularly when earnings are depressed due to the poor economic environment.

Given the potential for a turnaround in economic fortunes and favourable valuations, it seems to me that Indian stocks are worth accumulating at this juncture.

China: double trouble

China's problems dwarf those of India. Some of you may recall that in September last year, I thought the Chinese economy was heading for a so-called soft landing. This was premised on the view that the Chinese government had privately told investors that the 2009 stimulus of 4 trillion yuan was a mistake due to the asset bubbles which it had created. And it wouldn't be repeated.

Unfortunately, what the government said and what it did were two very different things. As China's economy started to deteriorate in the middle of last year, it turned to the same investment-driven, debt-fuelled strategy which led to problems in the first place. 

From September, the central government announced 1 trillion yuan in investment spend while the local governments pledged a whopping 13 trillion yuan. How much of this has been spent hasn't been revealed, but given strong fixed asset investment and infrastructure spend data, there's little doubt much of the money has been put to work.

The resulting pick-up in economic growth has been hardly surprising. Neither has the accompanying asset bubbles.

These bubbles are even more dangerous this time around. The government spending has again focused on likely low return investments, particularly around infrastructure. And it's been funded primarily by the non-banking sector, or so-called shadow banking. The growth in this lightly regulated sector has been extraordinary. It's resulting in a sharp rise in China total debt, now equivalent to 200% of GDP. 

China non banking sector

Source: CEIC

Given these circumstances, I'm surprised markets were caught off guard this week by China's flagging tighter monetary policy. At the annual meeting of the country's legislature, Premier Wen Jiabao, set a lower target for money supply growth, a sign that the focus is on reining in liquidity. The target has been set at 13% for 2013 compared to 14% last year.

It's clear that the government is concerned at asset bubbles and resulting inflation. Whether it can prevent a good old fashioned credit bust is the big question.

Markets discounting a hard landing?

Since I suggested that it was time to sell China stocks two weeks ago, I've received pushback from a couple of different angles. There is a prevailing view that China's communist regime won't allow an economic crash landing. To put it politely, this is a bizarre notion. It ignores the many failings of communist regimes to prevent economic downturns. Think the Soviet Union and more recently, Vietnam. Not to mention that China itself has been through many economic downturns in recent times. It also ignores the larger issue whether politicians can really manage economic cycles (seemingly today's central bankers are yesterday's Soviet Union planners...). I'll leave that discussion for another day though. 

Also, there is the continued argument that China has the money to throw at the problem. Particularly given its +US$3 billion in foreign exchange reserves. I've countered this view in a recent piece, highlighting that these are illiquid assets. Moreover, they're highly unlikely to be used to fight an economic downturn as the consequences would be dire for the world's economies, including China.

As China and much of the rest of the world is discovering, credit busts are much harder to deflate in a gradual fashion than economic textbooks would have you believe.

Instead of just taking my word for being cautious on China though, you should perhaps heed the comments of China business leaders themselves. Recently Wang Shi, CEO of China's largest residential property company, China Vanke, told CBS' 60 Minutes program that if the real estate bubble burst, the country may have its own Arab Spring - referring to an uprising against the current regime. He went on to say that he remained hopeful that China could prevent a bust. Nevertheless, it's an extraordinary statement given business leaders in China are usually paranoid about toeing the Communist Party line.

This week, China's richest man has been no less frank. Taking a different tack, Zong Qinghou, of privately listed beverage company, Hangzhou Wahaha Group, took aim at China's stock markets, declaring: "The capital markets suck in China."

This is not an uncommon view in China given the Shanghai Composite Index remains almost 60% below 2007 highs. With nine of the top 10 companies in the index being state-owned, stock market returns have significantly lagged economic growth. The chart below shows total returns from the Shanghai Composite Index of 67% from 2002-2012 compared with nominal GDP growth of 331% during the same period.  

China returns vs GDP

The question is whether China stock markets are already factoring an economic hard landing. I don't think they are, but perhaps we'll find out soon enough.

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archon's picture

I agree that we'll see India overtake China over the next decade or so, but for slightly different reasons...

1) India is not without their own problems, but at least they believe in, and practice democracy and free markets.  China is still at their core a communist country, and the state still controls everything.

2) Demographically, India has no curbs on its population, whereas China is restricting its population growth.  If sheer numbers allow a nation to dominate an economy, as the argument is made about China, then soon India will dominate as their numbers surpass the Chinese.

3) I think Inida may already have better schools and universities.

russwinter's picture

Talk about chasing one's tail. This analyst puts forth a convincing argument that China has double trouble, and then recommends India on a small minor relative value basis. I don't get it, what's the point, is India spared the wrath of a big Asia recession? 

Stuck on Zero's picture

India and China need to take the U.S. economic model to heart.  Print money, put half the population on the dole, write 77,000 pages of tax code, build enormous boondoggle weapons systems, open military bases and station troops all over the world, and elect a Hugo Chavez clone as President.


falak pema's picture

buy Bali  and sell delhi; dont touch Shanghai but sniff at Philippines. 

OpenThePodBayDoorHAL's picture

My bigoted view of Indians (having worked with many in IT for many years) is that they LOVE to complicate things. I think it comes from Hinduism having > 1 million deities. They really do not like anything that is too simple, they want to complicate it. You might have a meeting, the American says "OK we're going to do Step 1, then Step 2, then Step 3" and the Indian objects and says "yes but have you considered these 47 other side issues and contingencies?" and it descends from there.

NoClueSneaker's picture

India is an Goldman-Sux depleted shithole of genocide.

Corrupt Goldmanites r butchering the populace, IBM & Infosys slaughter the worldwide IT, and s1 should give them a dime ? Fuck U !!!!

Monsanto rulleZ India !!! Feed the Monsanto, oh yeah !!!


Confidencially suck my ass, u shitbag !!!


beastie's picture

One reason to view India as ahead of the pack is they are building Thorium Reactors

Been doing a little reading and this is a good place to start

I would encourage people to read it only because India is already building one. China is planning to and the US seems to have no interest

and link to the original article is here

Hongcha's picture

It has been my experience that the Indians immigrating to the U.S. have been hard-working people - they pull their own weight, don't ask for handouts, run their shops, are civil and polite.  Even moreso than the Chinese or the Viets.  Frugal, too.

otto skorzeny's picture

they'll work for way less and they don't smart off like whitey so the corporations love them( they're like mexicans but for the IT industry)- race ya to the bottom bitchez;)

rustymason's picture

Maybe a few million East Indians will want to go home now.

JOYFUL's picture

 James Gruber is no Simon Black. He has some hands on experience in the business world, and his words usually carry a bit of weight. But the modus operandi here is depressingly similar to Simon's fly in for 48, do the town... and then get down to a bit of research report work and file before deadline.

all the evidence suggests that these subsidies are making farmers stay farmers, rather moving to urban areas. This means these workers are not moving up the value chain and becoming more productive workers, which is holding back the economy.

If I were looking for the best way to exponentially increase India's problems of infrastructure, degraded environment, and urban poverty, I'd be choosing to follow the author's thesis here. Value added: what, pesticide factories making 'solutions' for solving the new fangled pests that Monsanto's franken seeds were supposed to have eliminated the need for>>or neo Bhopal fertilizer plants? Better to keep them down on the farm and let them off Indian farmers are now notorious for doing once they've rung up big debts and little income for subscribing to the west's 'green revolution.' Some value. Some chain.


Sorry ol sock...this reads way too C20th...that was the West's time to shine in the East, but the sun has set on the ol scams that worked so well back then. It's Asia's time, and the kind of analysis that applies good ol mercantalist logic to investment strategy is likely to find itself out of it's depth here. But being Pacific based, I think you know that. So what's up with this?

It was a land of contradictions. Extreme wealth neighbouring extreme poverty, a deeply corrupt yet full-functioning democracy, an attachment to a welfare state despite recognition of its many limitations and a common national identity but every region having vastly different people, languages and tastes.

In Asia, those aren't 'contradictions' those are 'conditions.'

India, like the Turks, is deep into aiding the Persians make it throught the last-gap gauntlet of the flagging ZATONIC deadbeat bullies....and when that final phase of the west flogging the rest of the world is in INDIA and CHINA(and the rest) both gonna be alright.

As for the Western's nighty night. \SteelyD  Aja

otto skorzeny's picture

time and time again asia has been "rising" only to see it come apart-this time will be no different- white US/euro males always prevail.

JOYFUL's picture

For a guy who claims to get it, when it comest the the hebraic choke-hold on the west, you sure can lose the thread fast...

the white Euro-merikan is being bred out of contention for anything but drone operation or slave work...intellectually, morally, physically, the devolution under the guiding hand of the cryptos is almost complete.

Wake up and small the coffee...we came 'out of Asia" to settle Europe, then Merika and the colonies, and now those of us who wish to survive the hebraic holocaust upon us will be going back to Asia, to regroup and restart our evolution as free peoples. 

White supremacy myths... the candy your hebraic masters use to lure you into destruction with.


Edit: sure signs of whitey's degeneracy at work! Inability to summons the wit to rebut an interlocutors' point by means of reliance upon joystick. Drone commander present!!! Thanks for stoppin by!

Harbanger's picture

Maybe it's our genetic heritage molded through time Otto.  We're always being tested, that's what separates us from the rest "who are you?, what do you believe?"  that is something we live or die for.

disabledvet's picture

i think China has 3 TRILLION in foreign exchange reserves...not "billion."
they are buying gold so you would expect the price to soar yet nay, veerily
so if it's not gold they're buying they must be buying
ser enuf. which means Fannie and Freddie Mac must be...
ser enuf. "yields plunging, value soaring."
"why" you ask? here's one reason: wake up folks! turn off the tele and get real.

Jack Sheet's picture

"Sell Chinese stocks"

"Buy Indian stocks"

Fuck me, that is incredibly useful investment advice.


Vegetius's picture

Invest in India?   ask ENERCON the German wind turbine makers see how it worked for them

venom's picture

I'm not going to invest in either.  I'm going to generate wealth by collecting unemployment and SNAP.  I could max out at near $15K before it's turned off in my neck of the woods.  I get a job for a while, then I get "laid off" again and start the process all over.  Clear $25-30K in a year?  Possible.