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9/11 Commission Deceived: An Unintentional Work of Fiction Based on Cheney’s Torture Program

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Preface:  This is not a partisan post. We have repeatedly documented that Obama is as bad or worse than the Bush administration.

In the run up to the Iraq war – and for several years thereafter – the program of torture carried out by the Bush administration was specifically specifically aimed at establishing a false justification for war. Dick Cheney is the guy who pushed for torture, pressured the Justice Department lawyers to write memos saying torture was legal, and made the pitch to Congress justifying torture. (The former director of the CIA said Cheney oversaw American torture policies).

The type of torture used by the U.S. on the Guantanamo suspects is of a special type. Senator Levin revealed that the the U.S. used Communist torture techniques specifically aimed at creating false confessions (see this, this, this and this).

According to NBC News:

  • Much of the 9/11 Commission Report was based upon the testimony of people who were tortured
  • At least four of the people whose interrogation figured in the 9/11 Commission Report have claimed that they told interrogators information as a way to stop being “tortured.”
  • One of the Commission’s main sources of information was tortured until he agreed to sign a confession that he was not even allowed to read
  • The 9/11 Commission itself doubted the accuracy of the torture confessions, and yet kept their doubts to themselves

In fact, the 9/11 Commission Report was largely based on third-hand accounts of what tortured detainees said, with two of the three parties in the communication being government employees.

As the 9/11 Commission Report itself states:

Chapters 5 and 7 rely heavily on information obtained from captured al Qaeda members. A number of these “detainees” have firsthand knowledge of the 9/11 plot. Assessing the truth of statements by these witnesses-sworn enemies of the United States-is challenging. Our access to them has been limited to the review of intelligence reports based on communications received from the locations where the actual interrogations take place. We submitted questions for use in the interrogations, but had no control over whether, when, or how questions of particular interest would be asked. Nor were we allowed to talk to the interrogators so that we could better judge the credibility of the detainees and clarify ambiguities in the reporting.

In other words, the 9/11 Commissioners were not allowed to speak with the detainees, or even their interrogators. Instead, they got their information third-hand.

The Commission didn’t really trust the interrogation testimony. For example, one of the primary architects of the 9/11 Commission Report – Ernest May – said in May 2005:

We never had full confidence in the interrogation reports as historical sources.

New York Times investigative reporter Philip Shenon Newsweek noted in a 2009 essay in Newsweek that the 9/11 Commission Report was unreliable because most of the information was based on the statements of tortured detainees:

The commission appears to have ignored obvious clues throughout 2003 and 2004 that its account of the 9/11 plot and Al Qaeda’s history relied heavily on information obtained from detainees who had been subjected to torture, or something not far from it.

 

The panel raised no public protest over the CIA’s interrogation methods, even though news reports at the time suggested how brutal those methods were. In fact, the commission demanded that the CIA carry out new rounds of interrogations in 2004 to get answers to its questions.

 

That has troubling implications for the credibility of the commission’s final report. In intelligence circles, testimony obtained through torture is typically discredited; research shows that people will say anything under threat of intense physical pain. [That's what top military interrogators say.]

 

And yet it is a distinct possibility that Al Qaeda suspects who were the exclusive source of information for long passages of the commission’s report may have been subjected to “enhanced” interrogation techniques, or at least threatened with them, because of the 9/11 Commission….

 

Information from CIA interrogations of two of the three—KSM and Abu Zubaydahis cited throughout two key chapters of the panel’s report focusing on the planning and execution of the attacks and on the history of Al Qaeda. [Remember the names "KSM" and "Abu Zubaydah" - we'll get back to them below.]

 

Footnotes in the panel’s report indicate when information was obtained from detainees interrogated by the CIA. An analysis by NBC News found that more than a quarter of the report’s footnotes—441 of some 1,700—referred to detainees who were subjected to the CIA’s “enhanced” interrogation program, including the trio who were waterboarded.

 

Commission members note that they repeatedly pressed the Bush White House and CIA for direct access to the detainees, but the administration refused. So the commission forwarded questions to the CIA, whose interrogators posed them on the panel’s behalf.

 

The commission’s report gave no hint that harsh interrogation methods were used in gathering information, stating that the panel had “no control” over how the CIA did its job; the authors also said they had attempted to corroborate the information “with documents and statements of others.”

 

But how could the commission corroborate information known only to a handful of people in a shadowy terrorist network, most of whom were either dead or still at large?

 

Former senator Bob Kerrey of Nebraska, a Democrat on the commission [one of the 9/11 Commissioners], told me last year he had long feared that the investigation depended too heavily on the accounts of Al Qaeda detainees who were physically coerced into talking. …

The Washington Post documents that Abu Zubaydah was literally crazy – as he head suffered a serious head injury years before 9/11 – and that the FBI agent involved in interrogating Abu Zubaydah and reviewing documents at his house (Daniel Coleman) said that everyone knew that Abu Zubaydah was an unreliable source for information.

This is confirmed by the the New Yorker. Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Ron Suskind writes that interrogator Coleman advised a top FBI official at the time:

“This guy is insane, certifiable, split personality.”

Indeed, the government has since backed away from all claims that Abu Zubaydah had any role in Al Qaeda or 9/11. For example – in September 2009 – the U.S. government admitted in writing in a court proceeding that Abu Zubaydah had never been a member or associate or supporter of al-Qaeda, was not involved in 9/11, and had no prior knowledge of 9/11:

The Government has not contended in this proceeding that Petitioner [Abu Zubaydah] was a member of al-Qaida or otherwise formally identified with al-Qaida.

 

Respondent [The United States Government] does not contend that Petitioner was a “member” of al-Qaida in the sense of having sworn a bayat (allegiance) or having otherwise satisfied any formal criteria that either Petitioner or al-Qaida may have considered necessary for inclusion in al-Qaida. Nor is the Government detaining Petitioner based on any allegation that Petitioner views himself as part of al-Qaida as a matter of subjective personal conscience, ideology, or worldview.

 

The Government has not contended in this proceeding that Petitioner had any direct role in or advance knowledge of the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001.

 

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The Government has not contended that Petitioner had any personal involvement in planning or executing either the 1998 embassy bombings… or the attacks on September 11, 2001.

Kevin Ryan – who has interviewed 9/11 Commissioner Lee Hamilton, Abu Zubaydah’s attorney and other knowledgeable people – documents how central Abu Zubaydah is to the 9/11 Commission Report (footnotes omitted; see original for documentation)

The 9/11 Commission (falsely) called Zubaydah an “al Qaeda lieutenant.” The Joint Congressional inquiry did the same, calling him “al-Qa’ida leader Abu Zubaydah,” and the “Bin Ladin lieutenant captured in March 2002.” As late as 2006, the Justice Department’s Inspector General report on the 9/11 attacks called Zubaydah a “Bin Laden lieutenant.”

 

When Zubaydah was captured, in March 2002, U.S. government officials touted him as the biggest catch of the War on Terror, at least until the capture of Khalid Sheik Mohammed (KSM). FBI Director Robert Mueller stated that Zubaydah’s capture would help deter future attacks. White House spokesman Ari Fleischer said that Zubaydah could provide a treasure-trove of information about al-Qaeda. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld claimed that Zubaydah was “a man who knows of additional attacks”, who has “trained people to do this”, and was a big fish who had a fountain of knowledge.

The extensive allegations against Zubaydah went on and on, and included that he was:

  • along with KSM, one of “Al Qaeda’s top operational managers” – “Counterterrorism Czar”Richard Clarke, in his book Against All Enemies
  • “sinister” and “there is evidence that he is a planner and a manager as well. I think he’s a major player.” – Former State Department director of counter-terrorism, Michael Sheehan
  • “extremely dangerous” and a planner of 9/11. – State Department legal advisor John B. Bellinger III in a June 2007 briefing.
  • a trainer, a recruiter, understood bomb-making, was a forger, a logistician, and someone who made things happen, and made “al-Qaeda function.” – Former CIA station chief, Bob Grenier
  • “a close associate of UBL’s [i.e. Bin Laden], and if not the number two, very close to the number two person in the organization. I think that’s well established.” -Donald Rumsfeld
  • “a very senior al Qaeda official who has been intimately involved in a range of activities for the al Qaeda.” – Donald Rumsfeld
  • a “very senior al Qaeda operative.” – Donald Rumsfeld
  • a “key terrorist recruiter and operational planner and member of Osama bin Laden’s inner circle.” – White House spokesman Ari Fleischer
  • someone whose capture was a “very serious blow” to al-Qaeda and therefore one of al-Qaeda’s “many tentacles” was “cut off.” – White House spokesman Ari Fleischer
  • one of the top operatives plotting and planning death and destruction on the United States.” –President George W. Bush
  • one of al-Qaeda’s top leaders” who was “spending a lot of time as one of the top operating officials of al Qaeda, plotting and planning murder.” –President George W. Bush
  • “al Qaeda’s chief of operations.” – President George W. Bush
  • “one of the top three leaders” in al-Qaeda. – President George W. Bush
  • someone whose interrogation “led to reliable information”, a “prolific producer” of information, with whom originated roughly 25 percent of the information on al Qaeda that came from human sources. – [National Security Agency Director] Michael Hayden
  • one of three individuals “best positioned to know about impending terrorist atrocities.” – Michael Hayden

As the myth of Zubaydah grew, it was reported that he was –

  • “worth a ton of guys at Gitmo.”
  • a “senior bin Laden official” and the “former head of Egypt-based Islamic Jihad.”
  • “played a key role in the East Africa embassy attacks.”
  • listed as a “trusted aide” to bin Laden with “growing power.”
  • in control of al-Qaeda.
  • an aide of bin Laden who ran training camps in Afghanistan and “coordinated terror cells in Europe and North America.”
  • a “key terrorist recruiter, operational planner, and member of Osama Bin Laden’s inner circle.”
  • bin Laden’s CEO”, and “a central figure in Al Qaeda
  • Bin Laden’s “travel planner.”
  • “one of a handful of men entrusted with running the terrorism network in the event of Osama bin Laden’s death or capture.”
  • a senior bin Laden lieutenant who was believed “to be organizing al Qaida resources to carry out attacks on American targets.”
  • the fourth ranking member of al Qaeda behind Bin Laden, Ayman al-Zawahiri, and Muhamed Atef.
  • someone who knew the identities of “thousands” of terrorists that passed through al Qaeda training camps in Afghanistan
  • a colleague of Richard Reid, the shoe-bomber.
  • one of bin Laden’s top planners of terrorist operations who knew of al Qaeda plots and cells.
  • the “connection between bin Laden and many of al-Qaida’s operational cells.”
  • the source of information that UAL Flight 93 was intended to hit the White House.

Because we now know that Zubaydah was never an al Qaeda operative, or even an al Qaeda associate, we are forced into the stunning realization that all of this was false. The questions that should arise from that realization include: How much of what we know about al Qaeda, and how much of the War on Terror, was built on the torture testimony of a man who clearly could not have known anything about al Qaeda at all? [We've already documented that Cheney, Rumsfeld and the boys are guilty of war crimes for falsely using 9/11 as a justification for the Iraq war, and noted that Cheney admits that he lied about 9/11.]

 

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But as we know now, the CIA reportedly told Abu Zubaydah during his interrogation that they discovered he was not an al-Qaeda fighter, partner, or even a member. Still, KSM and Bin Alshibh were caught and tortured too.

 

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Given the apparent “mistakes” related to Zubaydah being represented as an al Qaeda leader, there appears to be some serious revision required in the official account of 9/11. However, realistically, at this late date the information attributed to Zubaydah cannot likely be untangled from the official myth behind the War on Terror and the associated actions of the U.S. government. That’s because the torture of Zubaydah was used in support of unprecedented policy changes and actions.

  • President Bush personally used the perceived value of Zubaydah’s capture and torture to justify the use of the CIA’s torture techniques as well as the detention of suspects in secret CIA prisons around the world.
  • The U.S. government used the questionable intelligence obtained from Zubaydah in order to justify the invasion of Iraq. Officials stated that the allegations that Iraq and al-Qaeda were linked through training people on the use of chemical weapons came from Zubaydah. There was no independent verification of these claims.
  • Zubaydah’s torture testimony was also used to justify the use of military tribunals, moving the trial of alleged al Qaeda suspects out of the open civil courts. President Bush asked Congress in a speech in September 2006 to formulate special rules in order to try Abu Zubaydah via military commission in Guantanamo Bay. In fact, in late April 2002 less than one month after Abu Zubaydah’s capture, Justice Department officials stated Abu Zubaydah “is a near-ideal candidate for a tribunal trial.” Ironically, Zubaydah may be the only leading suspect to never face trial.
  • In addition to justifying the use of illegal torture techniques, the Bush administration used Zubaydah’s capture as justification to accelerate its domestic spying program. The claim was that it would allow quick action on the phone numbers and addresses seized during Zubaydah’s capture.

How can the 9/11 Commission Report stand when one of the main sources for information was crazy, was tortured with a specific technique aimed at extracting false confessions, was never allowed to speak (first or second-hand) to the Commissioners, and was not even affiliated with Al Qaeda or 9/11?

The Other Main Source of Information Was Also Unreliable

The other main source for the Commission – KSM – the self-confessed “mastermind” of 9/11, also confessed to crimes which he could not have committed.

He later said that he gave the interrogators a lot of false information – telling them what he thought they wanted to hear – in an attempt to stop the torture. We also know that he was heavily tortured specifically for the purpose of trying to obtain false information about 9/11 – specifically, that Iraq had something to do with it.

So the two main sources for the 9/11 Commission investigation were wholly unreliable.

Government Cover-Up of Unreliability of Witnesses

Moreover, certain government personnel went to great lengths to cover up how unreliable the information was.

For example, the CIA videotaped the interrogation of 9/11 suspects, falsely told the 9/11 Commission that there were no videotapes or other records of the interrogations, and then illegally destroyed all of the tapes and transcripts of the interrogations.

9/11 Commission co-chairs Thomas Keane and Lee Hamilton wrote:

Those who knew about those videotapes — and did not tell us about them — obstructed our investigation.

The chief lawyer for Guantanamo litigation – Vijay Padmanabhan – said that torture of 9/11 suspects was widespread. And Susan J. Crawford – the senior Pentagon official overseeing the military commissions at Guantánamo – told Bob Woodward:

We tortured Qahtani. His treatment met the legal definition of torture.

Indeed, 90 of the 92 videotapes that the CIA destroyed related to Abu Zubaydah.

Postscript: The 9/11 Commissioners publicly expressed anger at cover ups and obstructions of justice by the government into a real 9/11 investigation:

  • The Commission’s co-chairs said that the CIA (and likely the White House) “obstructed our investigation”
  • The Senior Counsel to the 9/11 Commission (John Farmer) – who led the 9/11 staff’s inquiry – said “At some level of the government, at some point in time…there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened“. He also said “I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described …. The tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years…. This is not spin. This is not true.”

And the Co-Chair of the official Congressional Inquiry Into 9/11 – and former head of the Senate Intelligence Committee – has called for a new 9/11 investigation.

Very high-level intelligence officials have also called the Commission’s findings into doubt:

  • A 27-year CIA veteran, who chaired National Intelligence Estimates and personally delivered intelligence briefings to Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush, their Vice Presidents, Secretaries of State, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and many other senior government officials, and who has for years been a tireless anti-war advocate and critic of imperial foreign policy (Raymond McGovern) said “I think at simplest terms, there’s a cover-up. The 9/11 Report is a joke”
  • Former Deputy Secretary for Intelligence and Warning under Nixon, Ford, and Carter (Morton Goulder), former Deputy Director to the White House Task Force on Terrorism (Edward L. Peck), and former US Department of State Foreign Service Officer (J. Michael Springmann), as well as a who’s who of liberals and independents) jointly call for a new investigation into 9/11
  • Former Federal Prosecutor, Office of Special Investigations, U.S. Department of Justice under Presidents Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan; former U.S. Army Intelligence officer, and currently a widely-sought media commentator on terrorism and intelligence services (John Loftus) says “The information provided by European intelligence services prior to 9/11 was so extensive that it is no longer possible for either the CIA or FBI to assert a defense of incompetence”

Some other examples of obstruction of justice into the 9/11 investigation include:

  • An FBI informant hosted and rented a room to two hijackers in 2000. Specifically, investigators for the Congressional Joint Inquiry discovered that an FBI informant had hosted and even rented a room to two hijackers in 2000 and that, when the Inquiry sought to interview the informant, the FBI refused outright, and then hid him in an unknown location, and that a high-level FBI official stated these blocking maneuvers were undertaken under orders from the White House. As the New York Times notes:

    Senator Bob Graham, the Florida Democrat who is a former chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, accused the White House on Tuesday of covering up evidence ….The accusation stems from the Federal Bureau of Investigation’s refusal to allow investigators for a Congressional inquiry and the independent Sept. 11 commission to interview an informant, Abdussattar Shaikh, who had been the landlord in San Diego of two Sept. 11 hijackers.

  • The chairs of both the 9/11 Commission and the Official Congressional Inquiry into 9/11 said that Soviet-style government “minders” obstructed the investigation into 9/11 by intimidating witnesses
  • The 9/11 Commissioners concluded that officials from the Pentagon lied to the Commission, and considered recommending criminal charges for such false statements
  • As reported by ACLU, FireDogLake, RawStory and many others, declassified documents shows that Senior Bush administration officials sternly cautioned the 9/11 Commission against probing too deeply into the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001

 

 

 

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Sat, 03/16/2013 - 02:54 | 3334654 Holden Caulfield
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Anyone who believes the official 9/11 version is a fool and anyone who supports the official version is a traitor.

All that is neccessary for evil to prevail is for good people to do nothing.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 07:58 | 3334852 outofhere
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My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 13:17 | 3335437 Lost Word
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If you are referring to the Jewish people, their Jewish leaders are destroying others because of the Jews lack of knowledge of God and true religion.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 14:41 | 3335666 IdiocracyIsAlre...
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And I am guessing you have the knowledge of "God" and "true religion", huh?  Not just "Jewish" leaders are destroying life as we know it.  Jews, WASPs, Catholics, Muslims - all have venal and corrupt assholes among them that tend to rise to the positions of leaders.  Who then distract you with the illusion that you are fighting for the "one true faith".  Wake up and smell the BS.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 01:26 | 3334556 seataka
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What is absolutely jaw dropping is not that 911 was a Theatrical to get control Iraq's oil,
I have been wondering WHY would the Feds TORTURE people at all, are they MAD?, why? It only leads to false confessions, and is why the Catholic Inquisition abandoned it. But this article is a revelation.

TORTURE was  used with INTENT to create the false "evidence" then fed to the 911 Commission... This is mind blowing!!! 

Thank you Zerohedge and thank you George Washington.

To quote Lenny Bruce "Fuck the Government"

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 02:57 | 3334657 Setarcos
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It is good that you are now awake ... it has taken everyone several years to absorb the enormity of the 9/11 false flag, which was and is being used to replace the war-mongering propaganda against the (now defunct) Soviet Union, which was supposed to be hell-bent on world conquest though, in fact, only the US has an active global empire.

But once the Soviet Union and Russia ceased being any kind of credible threat to the Empire, another nonsense threat was needed to persuade the gullible US prols that they are threatened by outside forces - rather than their own government - hence the propaganda about "Islamists" (to replace "Communists") and the "New Pearl Harbour" of 9/11 to get more wars going with majority public approval.

The psychopaths who control Washington and Wall Str ALWAYS have to invent a self-delusional pretext for their crimes and get the masses on board with their lies ... well just imagine if everyone knew the truth that Saddam Hussein had no WMD and could not threaten New York with a "mushroom cloud"?  How many would have agreed to invade and destroy Iraq?

And when the truth about 9/11 does reach the masses - including within the military - how many will still support the wars against Libya, Syria and Iran?

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 19:43 | 3336540 Seer
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" it has taken everyone several years to absorb the enormity of the 9/11 false flag"

I suspect that increased unemployment is to partially thank for it.  Most people just get so caught up in the every-day that they have no time to assemble outside information.  That's kind of how it worked for me (though I was assembling in near real-time).

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 15:00 | 3335715 IdiocracyIsAlre...
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And the propaganda creates the illusion of "threats" among the ignorant masses by people who have neither the means nor desire to acheive world domination.  Most real (not CIA created) Islamic groups seek to impose their ideas upon their only countries or co-religionists.  Which may end up sucking for the people there (be careful what you wish for and all that) but has absolutely no impact on a country of 300 million on the other side of the ocean armed to the teeth with nuclear weapons. 

But fear is useful, so now everyone can tremble in fear at night about creeping sharia law.  Pathetic.

 

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 04:52 | 3334740 Dr. Sandi
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The truth can only set you free if you don't send it scampering away every time it scratches on your door.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 02:14 | 3334630 Reptil
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I think it's even worse: The torture itself is the goal. It's a reprogramming of public perception towards violence as means of communication.

If you'll follow this train of thought, you'll realise "power" is just a means to an end.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 12:48 | 3335364 Agstacker
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I get a kick out of FOX coming out with '24' while the whole torture thing was coming out.  Like there was a 'ticking time bomb' ready to go off and only by torture could we find out where it was.  Brainwashing from hollywood...

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 02:35 | 3334638 George Washington
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I believe that you and Seataka are both correct, because not only were communist torture techniques SPECIFICALLY GEARED toward creating false confessions used, but used to disempower people and create fear-based cowardice and obedience among huge swaths of the population.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 11:39 | 3335155 chubbar
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GW, thanks for your hard work on putting this together. A point that I believe is being overlooked is that this event was eventually going to be discovered for what it was. That was known to the perpetrators.

In my opinion, the fact that this had a shelf life of some unknown length, but certainly less than a couple of decades, means that there are additional plans for them to maintain power. As this false flag is absorbed by the general public, as it appears to be doing, their timeline to act grows shorter.

I deeply suspect that we are careening into a timeframe where just about anything is possible. The event may not be able to be directly attributable to TPTB upon first blush (much like 9/11) but you can rest assured they are behind it. No one knows the technology that has been developed and hidden from the public so I wouldn't trust any conveniently timed earthquakes, tsunami's or any other "natural" disaster. My main concern is that it surrounds a nuclear false flag but who knows? Perhaps it'll be as straight forward as just starting a war (a major one, not the tinkering around the edges that they've been doing).

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 06:23 | 3334795 Dr. Sandi
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Hey, come on. A lot of people with no political agenda at all love to torture, just for good clean fun of it.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 02:24 | 3334619 Ignatius
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Why torture?  To maintain a lie, extort a 'confession'.

In history, torture has always had this aspect to it.

"Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!" -- Monty Python

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAn7baRbhx4

If one had evidence of capital crime, wouldn't one just present it and mete out the justice?

Now combine this with hard evidence such as World Trade Center Bldg 7's total collapse and absolute free fall acceleration for an admitted 2.25 seconds (National Institute of Science and Technology) and one has the basis one needs for concluding that 9/11 was a fraudulent, constructed event.  NIST claims that office fires were the primary cause of the collapse of WTC 7.  The problem is, this is impossible.  Under office fire conditions, steel does not instantaneously go from 300% required strength to 0%.  NIST admits that this is the first and only high rise steel framed super structure that has ever come down due to fires.  Ever.  But the case is even stronger:  No steel framed high rise has ever completely collapsed for any reason other than controlled demolition.

America, we've been punked.

1,800+ architects and engineers call for a new investigation of 9/11: 

http://www.ae911truth.org/

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 07:45 | 3334840 onthesquare
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any organization which has, in its name, "National, Ferderal, Imperial, US, American, United States, and or Congressional" will lie, deceive, withhold, twist, use out of context, purger, manipulate, kill, or do anything it takes to protect the agenda of the puppit masters.  

We are beyond fucked!

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 01:29 | 3334540 Kitler
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The visual evidence for 9/11 being an 'inside job' is there for the world to see.

As good as any demotion team could get (military or civilian) it would be practically impossible to fly a Boeing 767 into WTC2 without disturbing some of the preplaced thermitic devices/coatings if any where present.

 

To recap watch the full impact and follow closely as the plane progresses through the building and the flameball/aircraft exits the north wall at the NE corner. Notice the magnitude of damage inflicted to the NE corner of WTC2.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3YIw1v7ras

Now looking at the NE corner from the North. Freeze frame at 28 seconds you will see a brightly glowing metal plate with a surface area of several square feet glowing bright yellow in daylight.  To the right of it is a smaller area area where the molten metal shows white hot as it cascades downward.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARiWQFqGO_k

Yellow indicates a temperaure of 1800 degrees or more and white hot is over 2500. Can't be aluminum which melts at 1,220 degrees nor lead which melts at only 620 they would not even visibly glow outdoors at their respective melting points. Plus there would simply be NO STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY to either metals at those temperaures, they would only exist as molten with no ability to show a face as the glowing yellow metal does in the video.

Actually the indicated temperature is well over the 2200 degree bronze pour as shown below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvD2nxP4nu0

It seems that structurally weakening the exterior at the location of the impact was intentionally designed to render the visual effect of the tower buckling due to the aircracft impact and not an engineered demolition. Coincidentally around a minute after the NE corner thermite burn had concluded WTC2 buckled at precisely the place where the molten metal / thermite burn occured. It was however almost certainly the core that caused the collapse however as you can see in WTC1, since the building could simply NOT have collapsed at the freefall speed it did with the lower floors still supported by the central core structure. (Core collapse shown at 1:14 when the spire over the core starts to descend)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQhq2ihqzn4

And core collapse yet again in WTC7

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD06SAf0p9A

And to make matters worse we also have those nasty WTC2 'streamers' to contend with. They move erratically and with great acceleration leaving white (thermitic?) smoke trails behind, falling far faster than the 9.8 m/s2 of a gravitational freefall as you will notice in the video below. These things move quickly,  erratically and then burn out and disappear. My guess is they are dislodged thermite chips that have ignited and separated from the columns due to damage from the impact. (Thermite requires a very high temperature to ignite BTW usualy ignited with magnesium strips)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7rB43pJF1Y

And to totally top off the unexplained visual evidence of WTC2 we have the timed detonation shockwaves that the demolition crew must have lost a lot of sleep over.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWs8HqIjFX0&feature=related

 

You just can't fly a 767 into a prepared demolition and expect nothing to go wrong can you? So who do you believe, the official story or your own lying eyes?

 

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 02:40 | 3334645 Longtermnotreally
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Why most people still can't see this simple and well documented truth is beyond me... most likely they don't want to, holding on to the status quo, a dead man walking

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 02:18 | 3334633 Setarcos
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I'm not quite sure about your second sentence, wherein you seem to be against controlled demolition; though you support the thesis from there on.

My understanding is that the planes were flown (remotely) with great precision at predetermined floors on WTCs 1 & 2, housing investigations of financial fraud - same as WTC7 and the Pentagon Wing hit by possibly a cruise missile.

Meticulous planning went into 9/11, so I have no reason to think that any significant mistakes were made; except for the failure of another plane to hit WTC7 - so Silverstein ordered, "Pull it."  And down it came in free-fall, exactly the same as 1 & 2 into their own "footprints".  If the planners knew where the planes would hit, then why load those floors with cutting charges?  Simply(sic) place the charges above and below the impact foors - as is evidenced on all available videos.

Three 'miracles' within a few hours of each other + whatever hit the Pentagon, despite it being about the most heavily defended building on this planet.

The only real miracle (sarc) is that most people still believe the lies told to them by Washington.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 00:49 | 3334532 Setarcos
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Always worth another look:   http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/bbc_wtc7_videos.html?q=bbc_wtc7_videos.html

BTW A & E for Truth are organizing global publicity for 9/11, which I am participating in as a member.  Please visit the site.  http://www.ae911truth.org/

Meanwhile it astounds me that so many in ZH still believe the Osama bin Laden conspiracy theory, when even the gubbermint dropped that out of sight years ago ... remember Dubya making fun of looking for OBL under furniture in the Oval Office?

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 02:08 | 3334614 GeorgesamaBushLaden
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I believed the official tale for a number of years. Wondered why they weren't looking for OBL; then once I looked deeply into the evidence, I came to realize why they weren't looking for the bastard: they were the ones who pulled it off. How do you disregard all the massive evidence that points to an inside job?: the obvious stand down in air defenses (for two hours) • Mineta's testimony that Cheney gave a stand-down order in his presence • the mysterious collapse of Building 7 (as well as the freefall collapse of North and South Towers) • the molten steel that burned in lower Manhattan for over 3 weeks • Larry Silverstein's double indemnity insurance policy, insuring the Towers against "acts of terrorism" • the heavy insider put options betting against companies directly affected by the attacks • the fact that Marvin Bush's and cousin Wirt Walker's security company Securacom oversaw security at the WTC, Dulles Airport, and United Airlines in the months prior to the attacks • the Israelis with explosive material who were arrested • the strange hole in the side of the Penatagon (no wing marks and no bodies) • the "missing" black boxes (they always find the goddam boxes, even at the bottom of the ocean) • GW Bush's bizarre delayed response upon hearing of a second plane, and the Secret Service doing nothing to take him to a safe location • and how can one ignore the PNAC documents and declassified "Operation Northwoods"... just for starters...

 

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 08:02 | 3334855 onthesquare
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At this point in time it has been made perfectly obvious it was an inside job, for what ever the reason.  its sheer magnitude justified a knee jerk, come out swinging reaction, to continue the farse over to Iraq.  The hold world is behing US.  The questions that every free world citizen should be asking themselves is how to stop these blatantly obvious acts of self mutilation then blaming it on someone else.  These are the actions of group of criminally insane psychos and they have removed all desency of humanity.  

America is suffering from "deer in the headlights" sickness.  When the storm troppers come to your door for your children, your gold, your guns then you will know it is too late to act.

America, they tell us, was founded to free people from the tiereny of King George III.  The USa is under a greater threat today than the founding fathers would ever have imagined.  George was a saint compared with the monsters running the USa today.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 02:20 | 3334636 Setarcos
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Yes - just for starters ...

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 23:36 | 3334459 the grateful un...
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the two hijackers who came through san diego were in fact observed by their fbi informant landlord. they met with the local Immam? an american citizen who fled the country and was later drone murdered in Yemen. meanwhile the two hijackers spent a weekend in Las Vegas where they got in trouble for whoring and gambling and drinking. they were also very interested in the girls around the pool at their SD apartment. the story continues as they were helped by some Salvadoran immigrants in Falls Church? a few days before the attack. (at this moment the judge in the murder trial of the Salvadoran gang member convicted of killing Chandra Levy - once thought to be Gary Condits girlfriend, but was really working in the Fed Bureau of prisons and may have some contact with McVeigh before his execution - she was killed just a few months before 9/11 - but the judge has sealed the evidence in the RETRIAL because it could be damaging - to who?? ) Condit was a Blue Dog or moderate Democrat, others are Pelosi, Harmon, (who was later outed from the InteComm post for selling her self to AIPAC) Clinton was in theory anyway a Blue Dog, and definitely in reality during his second term. the Bush people targeted Blue Dogs, because in real war you destroy the moderates first, and then leave the core liberals in the party to be punished by branding them as extreme.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 00:07 | 3334452 medium giraffe
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stuff and things

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 23:20 | 3334425 Money 4 Nothing
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Important ommissions in the 9/11 Commission fictionsl tale. A feel good book, not even close to an Investigation. 

Building 7. 19 alleged hi-jsckers are all Saudi Nationals. Bin Laden ddeceased in late 2001. Flight 11 and 77 never left the ground that morning. Confirmed through NTSB and BTS exchanged interdepartmental letters confirming such. Look for the BLS record online. Read it and go forward understand ing the implications.

 

God bless and be safe.

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 23:49 | 3334476 Money 4 Nothing
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I apologize. . BTS record. I accidentally typed BLS.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 04:48 | 3334737 Dr. Sandi
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I'm hoping the BTS record is more truthful than the BLS record of late.

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 23:32 | 3334448 W74
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I think anyone with a brain knows the Mossad did the crime. The passports of the '19 hijackers' were all forgeries belonging to men who were long since murdered either within the US or abroad.

The Mossad agents who, being closely related semites, then went around the country to flight-training schools displaying those forged passports left and right, and made sure to have themselves filmed.  No one suspected a thing in those innocent times.

Building 7 was an obvious controlled demolition, but the two main buildings were a combination of controlled dets and damage from the planes.  It's well known that the process was Israeli involved from the beginning, those who purchased the towers to the insurance fraud that occurred afterwards to the high-fiving Mossad agents and the ones arrested after the event who were then let go.

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 23:11 | 3334409 W74
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Only Fools think that Osama bin Laden was ever a real person.  He's no different than Goldstein from 1984.  They could've allowed him to live for 100s of years. 

Next they'll choose some other "terrorist" to go after, and he will be a ghost from the start: no one will have ever seen or heard of him, lived near him or have gone to school with him...but that doesn't mean that there won't be tortures and drone strikes until the guy is dead (meaning, forever).

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 04:47 | 3334736 Dr. Sandi
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Wait until they hunt down and kill arch terrorist Michael Moore.

They'll probably need two Hueys to do the burial at sea though.

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 22:51 | 3334365 dolph9
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Interesting speculation on 9/11:

http://how911wasdone.blogspot.com/

 

This is a bit old but I only recently came across it.

 

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 22:24 | 3334318 NoClueSneaker
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Still, I miss my beloved terrorist, His Highness Bandar Bin Sultan Bush ...

You took my favourit cash butcher out of sight, he was a champ. Jew York City incorporate butchers haggle about some half of a billion boni, Bandar Bush took  9 Bn. POUNDS in one strike .

So, Jamie and lloyd r the cheap fags. Carlyle Group needs the REAL talents.

Else, FYA ...

 

 

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 02:23 | 3334637 Reptil
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documentary on the Carlyle Group

first 5 minutes (or so) are in the dutch language, the rest is in english

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZeaJ1QoKlg

the true merger of corporate (militairy) and government (Iron Triangle)

more information in this lecture

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn4O4scLEuc

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 21:57 | 3334254 Oldwood
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Shocking to find out that our government has been lying to us! But afterall, they are just trying to shelter us from all of the uglyness in the world, especially if it could in anyway find its way back on them. I do have to say though George, I know you say you are not political here but after numerous posts it sure looks that way, or else you are just mad at having to share the name George. JUst in case you didn't hear, another major poll was done and it determined that shockingly Obama's administration was found to be the least transparent of any in modern history. I'm pretty sure we won't have any big WaterGate stories anytime soon, as they do a much better job of keeping the press off their backs than Nixon could have ever dreamed of. But honestly, I don't think many would care what Obama did at this point. Expectations have never been lower. But keep on hammering on Ole Bush! There are still plenty wanting to hear more about THAT devil!

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 19:21 | 3336460 Seer
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I'm just shocked, shocked! I tell you that you've been red-hammered to heck.  This was 9/11/2001- Obama wasn't in office!  You're a fucking Party Troll- I'm sick of you and your ilk. (and to think that you tried to brand me- fucking hypocrite, loser motherfucker!)

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 04:45 | 3334734 Dr. Sandi
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As sick as it sounds, I believe Nixon was possibly the last honorable president. At least he resigned when he was disgraced.

Any of the disgraces that came later just kept bootin' along through their own muck with their heads low and their aides running interference.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 13:42 | 3335487 PKF
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Yes, it's sick....but true.  Back in Nixon's day, his associates actually answered subpoenas!  Not anymore.  Why even bother to type one up and try to deliver it?

Nixon started the EPA because there was such a grassroots demand to care for the environment.  Now look at it...an appendage of the Corporate Goons.

I remember when Nixon resigned...I partied all night long, thinking that Justice had prevailed and all would be right with the world.  How naive was I!  I detested Nixon and now, looking back he was such a snuggly little Teddy Bear! 

Along came Raygun, and it's been downhill ever since. 

Maybe Nixon's disgrace was just part of the plot to make naive Americans believe in Truth, Justice and 'the American Way?'  Now anyone who remembers Watergate realizes how hopeless today truly is. 

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 23:13 | 3334414 the grateful un...
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i could give you one arrow each, because Obama comes into his second term with even less political capital than Bush. there are several items hanging over him, but mostly this story about negotiating with the Taliban. one, Obamacare will be repealed, after some outside event will drag down his rather thin veneer of respectability. the issue for some is why Obama hasn't prosecuted anyone on Wall Street, and why all his rhetoric about Iraq and Afghanistan and GITMO was really just bullshit. and why Romney didn't call him on that, (rhetorical question - Romney said recently, gee I really wanted to be in the WH, well then MITT JUST TELL THE TRUTH TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE) but some GOP goons would break his legs if he did that. and while you're at Rand Paul is the prince of Bullshit. get him in the WH and Obama and Bush will seem rather tame.

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 21:55 | 3334252 kaiserhoff
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I really don't give a rat's ass about the hair ball stuff.

I'm just here to remind George that he is going to BURN IN HELL.

Forever is a long time, George.  Drink that Scotch while you can.

Ask the waitron for extra ice.   Tee Hee.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 06:17 | 3334790 bunnyswanson
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Desiderata

Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence.

As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons. Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even to the dull and the ignorant, they too have their story. Avoid loud and aggressive persons, they are vexations to the spirit.

If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain and bitter; for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself. Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans. Keep interested in your own career, however humble; it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of trickery. But let this not blind you to what virtue there is; many persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism. Be yourself. Especially, do not feign affection. Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment it is perennial as the grass.

Take kindly to the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth. Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune. But do not distress yourself with imaginings. Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself. You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life, keep peace in your soul.

With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world.

Be cheerful. Strive to be happy.

Max Ehrmann c.1920

Put this on your mirror.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 04:43 | 3334733 Dr. Sandi
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Hell is underappreciated. Most of the people worth knowing are apparently headed there.

Having to associate with the kind of people who would be in Heaven for an eternity would be the ultimate punishment for somebody like me.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 08:26 | 3334871 willwork4food
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Why is this moron bringing his John Hagee-pro neo-con, AIPAC approved bullshit here?

-Kaiser, what the fuck is wrong with you? Did you forget your meds today or did your handlers just want you to work more?

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 21:47 | 3334223 kaiserhoff
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First, you fly planes into the buildings, and then you blow them up.

Yeah, that's the way I would do it.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 10:14 | 3334990 DaveyJones
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you do realize you're arguing against yourself. a terrorist would indeed never do it that way 

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 04:40 | 3334731 Dr. Sandi
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First sensible thing you've said on this thread.

It's the smart way to get it done if you absolutely, positively have to get it done and you know damned well that the planes alone aren't up to the job.

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 21:12 | 3334141 mt paul
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once upon a time

there were 2 towers....

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 22:59 | 3334381 GeorgesamaBushLaden
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More accurately: "Once upon a time there were 3 towers..." The 47 story WTC Building 7 would've been the tallest building in over 40 states, but the public isn't supposed to know that it ever existed, because it imploded at freefall into it's own footprint (even though it wasn't hit by aircraft and a hundred yards from the North Tower), and that didn't mesh well with the official fairytale. A plane equipped with a remote guidance system, and swapped for Flight 93 (see Operation Northwoods) was supposed to crash into it, but got delayed so Cheney had it shot down. 

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 10:12 | 3334987 DaveyJones
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of all the evidence I've shown people, the third tower raises eyebrows

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 12:52 | 3335375 Agstacker
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I asked my parents how many buildings went down in NYC on 9/11.  They said 2.  Enough said.

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