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9/11 Commission Deceived: An Unintentional Work of Fiction Based on Cheney’s Torture Program

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Preface:  This is not a partisan post. We have repeatedly documented that Obama is as bad or worse than the Bush administration.

In the run up to the Iraq war – and for several years thereafter – the program of torture carried out by the Bush administration was specifically specifically aimed at establishing a false justification for war. Dick Cheney is the guy who pushed for torture, pressured the Justice Department lawyers to write memos saying torture was legal, and made the pitch to Congress justifying torture. (The former director of the CIA said Cheney oversaw American torture policies).

The type of torture used by the U.S. on the Guantanamo suspects is of a special type. Senator Levin revealed that the the U.S. used Communist torture techniques specifically aimed at creating false confessions (see this, this, this and this).

According to NBC News:

  • Much of the 9/11 Commission Report was based upon the testimony of people who were tortured
  • At least four of the people whose interrogation figured in the 9/11 Commission Report have claimed that they told interrogators information as a way to stop being “tortured.”
  • One of the Commission’s main sources of information was tortured until he agreed to sign a confession that he was not even allowed to read
  • The 9/11 Commission itself doubted the accuracy of the torture confessions, and yet kept their doubts to themselves

In fact, the 9/11 Commission Report was largely based on third-hand accounts of what tortured detainees said, with two of the three parties in the communication being government employees.

As the 9/11 Commission Report itself states:

Chapters 5 and 7 rely heavily on information obtained from captured al Qaeda members. A number of these “detainees” have firsthand knowledge of the 9/11 plot. Assessing the truth of statements by these witnesses-sworn enemies of the United States-is challenging. Our access to them has been limited to the review of intelligence reports based on communications received from the locations where the actual interrogations take place. We submitted questions for use in the interrogations, but had no control over whether, when, or how questions of particular interest would be asked. Nor were we allowed to talk to the interrogators so that we could better judge the credibility of the detainees and clarify ambiguities in the reporting.

In other words, the 9/11 Commissioners were not allowed to speak with the detainees, or even their interrogators. Instead, they got their information third-hand.

The Commission didn’t really trust the interrogation testimony. For example, one of the primary architects of the 9/11 Commission Report – Ernest May – said in May 2005:

We never had full confidence in the interrogation reports as historical sources.

New York Times investigative reporter Philip Shenon Newsweek noted in a 2009 essay in Newsweek that the 9/11 Commission Report was unreliable because most of the information was based on the statements of tortured detainees:

The commission appears to have ignored obvious clues throughout 2003 and 2004 that its account of the 9/11 plot and Al Qaeda’s history relied heavily on information obtained from detainees who had been subjected to torture, or something not far from it.

 

The panel raised no public protest over the CIA’s interrogation methods, even though news reports at the time suggested how brutal those methods were. In fact, the commission demanded that the CIA carry out new rounds of interrogations in 2004 to get answers to its questions.

 

That has troubling implications for the credibility of the commission’s final report. In intelligence circles, testimony obtained through torture is typically discredited; research shows that people will say anything under threat of intense physical pain. [That's what top military interrogators say.]

 

And yet it is a distinct possibility that Al Qaeda suspects who were the exclusive source of information for long passages of the commission’s report may have been subjected to “enhanced” interrogation techniques, or at least threatened with them, because of the 9/11 Commission….

 

Information from CIA interrogations of two of the three—KSM and Abu Zubaydahis cited throughout two key chapters of the panel’s report focusing on the planning and execution of the attacks and on the history of Al Qaeda. [Remember the names "KSM" and "Abu Zubaydah" - we'll get back to them below.]

 

Footnotes in the panel’s report indicate when information was obtained from detainees interrogated by the CIA. An analysis by NBC News found that more than a quarter of the report’s footnotes—441 of some 1,700—referred to detainees who were subjected to the CIA’s “enhanced” interrogation program, including the trio who were waterboarded.

 

Commission members note that they repeatedly pressed the Bush White House and CIA for direct access to the detainees, but the administration refused. So the commission forwarded questions to the CIA, whose interrogators posed them on the panel’s behalf.

 

The commission’s report gave no hint that harsh interrogation methods were used in gathering information, stating that the panel had “no control” over how the CIA did its job; the authors also said they had attempted to corroborate the information “with documents and statements of others.”

 

But how could the commission corroborate information known only to a handful of people in a shadowy terrorist network, most of whom were either dead or still at large?

 

Former senator Bob Kerrey of Nebraska, a Democrat on the commission [one of the 9/11 Commissioners], told me last year he had long feared that the investigation depended too heavily on the accounts of Al Qaeda detainees who were physically coerced into talking. …

The Washington Post documents that Abu Zubaydah was literally crazy – as he head suffered a serious head injury years before 9/11 – and that the FBI agent involved in interrogating Abu Zubaydah and reviewing documents at his house (Daniel Coleman) said that everyone knew that Abu Zubaydah was an unreliable source for information.

This is confirmed by the the New Yorker. Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Ron Suskind writes that interrogator Coleman advised a top FBI official at the time:

“This guy is insane, certifiable, split personality.”

Indeed, the government has since backed away from all claims that Abu Zubaydah had any role in Al Qaeda or 9/11. For example – in September 2009 – the U.S. government admitted in writing in a court proceeding that Abu Zubaydah had never been a member or associate or supporter of al-Qaeda, was not involved in 9/11, and had no prior knowledge of 9/11:

The Government has not contended in this proceeding that Petitioner [Abu Zubaydah] was a member of al-Qaida or otherwise formally identified with al-Qaida.

 

Respondent [The United States Government] does not contend that Petitioner was a “member” of al-Qaida in the sense of having sworn a bayat (allegiance) or having otherwise satisfied any formal criteria that either Petitioner or al-Qaida may have considered necessary for inclusion in al-Qaida. Nor is the Government detaining Petitioner based on any allegation that Petitioner views himself as part of al-Qaida as a matter of subjective personal conscience, ideology, or worldview.

 

The Government has not contended in this proceeding that Petitioner had any direct role in or advance knowledge of the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001.

 

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The Government has not contended that Petitioner had any personal involvement in planning or executing either the 1998 embassy bombings… or the attacks on September 11, 2001.

Kevin Ryan – who has interviewed 9/11 Commissioner Lee Hamilton, Abu Zubaydah’s attorney and other knowledgeable people – documents how central Abu Zubaydah is to the 9/11 Commission Report (footnotes omitted; see original for documentation)

The 9/11 Commission (falsely) called Zubaydah an “al Qaeda lieutenant.” The Joint Congressional inquiry did the same, calling him “al-Qa’ida leader Abu Zubaydah,” and the “Bin Ladin lieutenant captured in March 2002.” As late as 2006, the Justice Department’s Inspector General report on the 9/11 attacks called Zubaydah a “Bin Laden lieutenant.”

 

When Zubaydah was captured, in March 2002, U.S. government officials touted him as the biggest catch of the War on Terror, at least until the capture of Khalid Sheik Mohammed (KSM). FBI Director Robert Mueller stated that Zubaydah’s capture would help deter future attacks. White House spokesman Ari Fleischer said that Zubaydah could provide a treasure-trove of information about al-Qaeda. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld claimed that Zubaydah was “a man who knows of additional attacks”, who has “trained people to do this”, and was a big fish who had a fountain of knowledge.

The extensive allegations against Zubaydah went on and on, and included that he was:

  • along with KSM, one of “Al Qaeda’s top operational managers” – “Counterterrorism Czar”Richard Clarke, in his book Against All Enemies
  • “sinister” and “there is evidence that he is a planner and a manager as well. I think he’s a major player.” – Former State Department director of counter-terrorism, Michael Sheehan
  • “extremely dangerous” and a planner of 9/11. – State Department legal advisor John B. Bellinger III in a June 2007 briefing.
  • a trainer, a recruiter, understood bomb-making, was a forger, a logistician, and someone who made things happen, and made “al-Qaeda function.” – Former CIA station chief, Bob Grenier
  • “a close associate of UBL’s [i.e. Bin Laden], and if not the number two, very close to the number two person in the organization. I think that’s well established.” -Donald Rumsfeld
  • “a very senior al Qaeda official who has been intimately involved in a range of activities for the al Qaeda.” – Donald Rumsfeld
  • a “very senior al Qaeda operative.” – Donald Rumsfeld
  • a “key terrorist recruiter and operational planner and member of Osama bin Laden’s inner circle.” – White House spokesman Ari Fleischer
  • someone whose capture was a “very serious blow” to al-Qaeda and therefore one of al-Qaeda’s “many tentacles” was “cut off.” – White House spokesman Ari Fleischer
  • one of the top operatives plotting and planning death and destruction on the United States.” –President George W. Bush
  • one of al-Qaeda’s top leaders” who was “spending a lot of time as one of the top operating officials of al Qaeda, plotting and planning murder.” –President George W. Bush
  • “al Qaeda’s chief of operations.” – President George W. Bush
  • “one of the top three leaders” in al-Qaeda. – President George W. Bush
  • someone whose interrogation “led to reliable information”, a “prolific producer” of information, with whom originated roughly 25 percent of the information on al Qaeda that came from human sources. – [National Security Agency Director] Michael Hayden
  • one of three individuals “best positioned to know about impending terrorist atrocities.” – Michael Hayden

As the myth of Zubaydah grew, it was reported that he was –

  • “worth a ton of guys at Gitmo.”
  • a “senior bin Laden official” and the “former head of Egypt-based Islamic Jihad.”
  • “played a key role in the East Africa embassy attacks.”
  • listed as a “trusted aide” to bin Laden with “growing power.”
  • in control of al-Qaeda.
  • an aide of bin Laden who ran training camps in Afghanistan and “coordinated terror cells in Europe and North America.”
  • a “key terrorist recruiter, operational planner, and member of Osama Bin Laden’s inner circle.”
  • bin Laden’s CEO”, and “a central figure in Al Qaeda
  • Bin Laden’s “travel planner.”
  • “one of a handful of men entrusted with running the terrorism network in the event of Osama bin Laden’s death or capture.”
  • a senior bin Laden lieutenant who was believed “to be organizing al Qaida resources to carry out attacks on American targets.”
  • the fourth ranking member of al Qaeda behind Bin Laden, Ayman al-Zawahiri, and Muhamed Atef.
  • someone who knew the identities of “thousands” of terrorists that passed through al Qaeda training camps in Afghanistan
  • a colleague of Richard Reid, the shoe-bomber.
  • one of bin Laden’s top planners of terrorist operations who knew of al Qaeda plots and cells.
  • the “connection between bin Laden and many of al-Qaida’s operational cells.”
  • the source of information that UAL Flight 93 was intended to hit the White House.

Because we now know that Zubaydah was never an al Qaeda operative, or even an al Qaeda associate, we are forced into the stunning realization that all of this was false. The questions that should arise from that realization include: How much of what we know about al Qaeda, and how much of the War on Terror, was built on the torture testimony of a man who clearly could not have known anything about al Qaeda at all? [We've already documented that Cheney, Rumsfeld and the boys are guilty of war crimes for falsely using 9/11 as a justification for the Iraq war, and noted that Cheney admits that he lied about 9/11.]

 

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But as we know now, the CIA reportedly told Abu Zubaydah during his interrogation that they discovered he was not an al-Qaeda fighter, partner, or even a member. Still, KSM and Bin Alshibh were caught and tortured too.

 

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Given the apparent “mistakes” related to Zubaydah being represented as an al Qaeda leader, there appears to be some serious revision required in the official account of 9/11. However, realistically, at this late date the information attributed to Zubaydah cannot likely be untangled from the official myth behind the War on Terror and the associated actions of the U.S. government. That’s because the torture of Zubaydah was used in support of unprecedented policy changes and actions.

  • President Bush personally used the perceived value of Zubaydah’s capture and torture to justify the use of the CIA’s torture techniques as well as the detention of suspects in secret CIA prisons around the world.
  • The U.S. government used the questionable intelligence obtained from Zubaydah in order to justify the invasion of Iraq. Officials stated that the allegations that Iraq and al-Qaeda were linked through training people on the use of chemical weapons came from Zubaydah. There was no independent verification of these claims.
  • Zubaydah’s torture testimony was also used to justify the use of military tribunals, moving the trial of alleged al Qaeda suspects out of the open civil courts. President Bush asked Congress in a speech in September 2006 to formulate special rules in order to try Abu Zubaydah via military commission in Guantanamo Bay. In fact, in late April 2002 less than one month after Abu Zubaydah’s capture, Justice Department officials stated Abu Zubaydah “is a near-ideal candidate for a tribunal trial.” Ironically, Zubaydah may be the only leading suspect to never face trial.
  • In addition to justifying the use of illegal torture techniques, the Bush administration used Zubaydah’s capture as justification to accelerate its domestic spying program. The claim was that it would allow quick action on the phone numbers and addresses seized during Zubaydah’s capture.

How can the 9/11 Commission Report stand when one of the main sources for information was crazy, was tortured with a specific technique aimed at extracting false confessions, was never allowed to speak (first or second-hand) to the Commissioners, and was not even affiliated with Al Qaeda or 9/11?

The Other Main Source of Information Was Also Unreliable

The other main source for the Commission – KSM – the self-confessed “mastermind” of 9/11, also confessed to crimes which he could not have committed.

He later said that he gave the interrogators a lot of false information – telling them what he thought they wanted to hear – in an attempt to stop the torture. We also know that he was heavily tortured specifically for the purpose of trying to obtain false information about 9/11 – specifically, that Iraq had something to do with it.

So the two main sources for the 9/11 Commission investigation were wholly unreliable.

Government Cover-Up of Unreliability of Witnesses

Moreover, certain government personnel went to great lengths to cover up how unreliable the information was.

For example, the CIA videotaped the interrogation of 9/11 suspects, falsely told the 9/11 Commission that there were no videotapes or other records of the interrogations, and then illegally destroyed all of the tapes and transcripts of the interrogations.

9/11 Commission co-chairs Thomas Keane and Lee Hamilton wrote:

Those who knew about those videotapes — and did not tell us about them — obstructed our investigation.

The chief lawyer for Guantanamo litigation – Vijay Padmanabhan – said that torture of 9/11 suspects was widespread. And Susan J. Crawford – the senior Pentagon official overseeing the military commissions at Guantánamo – told Bob Woodward:

We tortured Qahtani. His treatment met the legal definition of torture.

Indeed, 90 of the 92 videotapes that the CIA destroyed related to Abu Zubaydah.

Postscript: The 9/11 Commissioners publicly expressed anger at cover ups and obstructions of justice by the government into a real 9/11 investigation:

  • The Commission’s co-chairs said that the CIA (and likely the White House) “obstructed our investigation”
  • The Senior Counsel to the 9/11 Commission (John Farmer) – who led the 9/11 staff’s inquiry – said “At some level of the government, at some point in time…there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened“. He also said “I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described …. The tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years…. This is not spin. This is not true.”

And the Co-Chair of the official Congressional Inquiry Into 9/11 – and former head of the Senate Intelligence Committee – has called for a new 9/11 investigation.

Very high-level intelligence officials have also called the Commission’s findings into doubt:

  • A 27-year CIA veteran, who chaired National Intelligence Estimates and personally delivered intelligence briefings to Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush, their Vice Presidents, Secretaries of State, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and many other senior government officials, and who has for years been a tireless anti-war advocate and critic of imperial foreign policy (Raymond McGovern) said “I think at simplest terms, there’s a cover-up. The 9/11 Report is a joke”
  • Former Deputy Secretary for Intelligence and Warning under Nixon, Ford, and Carter (Morton Goulder), former Deputy Director to the White House Task Force on Terrorism (Edward L. Peck), and former US Department of State Foreign Service Officer (J. Michael Springmann), as well as a who’s who of liberals and independents) jointly call for a new investigation into 9/11
  • Former Federal Prosecutor, Office of Special Investigations, U.S. Department of Justice under Presidents Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan; former U.S. Army Intelligence officer, and currently a widely-sought media commentator on terrorism and intelligence services (John Loftus) says “The information provided by European intelligence services prior to 9/11 was so extensive that it is no longer possible for either the CIA or FBI to assert a defense of incompetence”

Some other examples of obstruction of justice into the 9/11 investigation include:

  • An FBI informant hosted and rented a room to two hijackers in 2000. Specifically, investigators for the Congressional Joint Inquiry discovered that an FBI informant had hosted and even rented a room to two hijackers in 2000 and that, when the Inquiry sought to interview the informant, the FBI refused outright, and then hid him in an unknown location, and that a high-level FBI official stated these blocking maneuvers were undertaken under orders from the White House. As the New York Times notes:

    Senator Bob Graham, the Florida Democrat who is a former chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, accused the White House on Tuesday of covering up evidence ….The accusation stems from the Federal Bureau of Investigation’s refusal to allow investigators for a Congressional inquiry and the independent Sept. 11 commission to interview an informant, Abdussattar Shaikh, who had been the landlord in San Diego of two Sept. 11 hijackers.

  • The chairs of both the 9/11 Commission and the Official Congressional Inquiry into 9/11 said that Soviet-style government “minders” obstructed the investigation into 9/11 by intimidating witnesses
  • The 9/11 Commissioners concluded that officials from the Pentagon lied to the Commission, and considered recommending criminal charges for such false statements
  • As reported by ACLU, FireDogLake, RawStory and many others, declassified documents shows that Senior Bush administration officials sternly cautioned the 9/11 Commission against probing too deeply into the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001

 

 

 

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Fri, 03/15/2013 - 19:47 | 3333897 MichaelNY
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Many of us realized that 9/11 could not have occurred the way we were told at the moment the Pentagon was "hit" by an airplane (which, of course, it was not) were it not for inside help.  And many others swallow any lie they are told by "authorities" or the media because they are already brain-dead and dumbed down by our federally controlled "education" system.

"...and what they don't want is critical thinkers..."  - George Carlin

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 20:52 | 3334087 cynicalskeptic
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Too many coincidences.... too many investigations into SERIOUS financial crimes died on 9/11.  What happened to the TRILLIONS unaccounted for in the pentagon budget?  What about the hundreds of billions of T-Bills due on 9/12 that weren't supposed to exist?  the list goes on and on and on......

nevermind the new owner of the WTC who took out 'terrorism' insurance and wanted to claim for TWO events.   

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 13:07 | 3335416 Ratscam
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the official 911 story is the conspiracy, not the other way around.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 03:44 | 3334699 Savyindallas
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Yes there were too many "coincidences" suggesting it was an inside job  -but what bothers me more is that there is simply too much overwhelming "evidence"

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 20:21 | 3333994 JustObserving
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Critical thinkers make very bad slaves

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 02:59 | 3334659 ToNYC
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but way better masters.

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 19:43 | 3333883 YHC-FTSE
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I only wish I had one tenth the stamina GW has to shine a light on injustice,  root out corruption and highlight the absurd lies the powerful tell us to make a mockery of being human. 

Thanks mate for all your efforts. 

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 09:58 | 3334971 akarc
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Yo George, amen!  And not just stamina but courage too. Knowing full well that as you push the publish button you have opened yourself up to government scrutiny (which of course probably applies to most on this site), charges of commie, socialist and God forbid "liberal" (sarc) from people who can not differentiate between American and Kleptocrat.  The Jew haters will come out of the closet. At some point in time there wil be a post about it was black muslim Obamas fault and it was actually a plot by mexican lettuce pickers.

You put hours, I know, been there done that, into a piece that you hope will open the eyes of just one because you know that masses won't bother reading it, if they do they will condemn it and if they do not condemn it they will do nothing to address it. But you do it anyway.

But you have to do it because you are a true American. Bless you George for keeping the fire burning.

For the those who question the political, economic, terrorist connection  I refer you WTC7.  

I know people who intentionally put blinders on when it comes to this subject. Because they know, if they see it and do nothing they will never be the same.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 14:35 | 3335647 lincolnsteffens
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Amen to that. I'm starting wonder who is tracking me since I've gone public exposing the crimes of Government High rollers.

The Constitution of the US trumps all other laws. There is no suspension of those rights in law even if the Pres. and Holder say so, not by any emergency or war powers act. They are guilty of Felony Treason for their actions. They may have "might makes right" behind them but anything in conflict with the Constitution is null and void as if the act had never existed.  I would place most legislators in the same category as the Pres. and Atty. Gen. except that most legislators are ignorant of what they are doing. Those that are ignorant need to be re-educated in those FEMA camps. The ones who know what they are doing should suffer the ultimate punishment commensurate with their crimes against the people of America and the genocide they have directed around the world.

I am no supporter of the death penalty so I suggest they rot in glass prisions for the rest of their lives and put on public display for all to see.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 04:07 | 3334704 bunnyswanson
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Pq5-Nqjgar0

Drone over Austin

Is this what you want?  Being recorded every second of your life? Your power use, food intake, refuse, what you buy, what you owe, who your friends are.  Watch porn?  Not you, eh?  Well you'd better not start because you'll labeled a threat to society. 

9-11 introduced us to "guilty and we don't care if you aren't."  I have lived in this town for 20 years and have yet to meet a tourerist. 

Globalization is a scam.  It is all a scam.  Go to Huffpo; you'll fit right in.

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 19:36 | 3333865 stevevan
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Is this a finance site, or a political conspiracy theory site?

 

I don't necessarily disagree with the info, but seems more appropriate for a site like InfoWars or AboveTopSecret.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 13:00 | 3335396 Agstacker
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Well, politics and money are NEVER related, fella. 

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 22:04 | 3334240 Radical Marijuana
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I will dump an answer to your question, loaded with tangled levels, appropriate to reply to a false profit:

The financial aspects were extremely important parts of the 9/11/2001 events, both before and after. Of course, since proper investigations were never allowed to happen, proper investigations into the financial aspects of 9/11 were never allowed to happen either. However, an army of independent researchers have found out lots of facts, which should be known by people concerned with the bigger picture regarding FOLLOWING THE MONEY TO THE SOURCE.

Furthermore, if one traces the history of the financial crises in 2008 back, one will find a clear line to Greenspan and Federal Reserve Board policies, in blowing the credit bubbles that popped, and thus caused the massive banking bailouts. In my opinion, there is no doubt that those were related. Furthermore, I believe that it is correct to say that both 9/11 and the financial crises of 2008 were inside jobs.

The social pyramid systems converge at the top, in the same ruling classes, and therefore, it seems to me that some similar people were involved at the highest levels, in enabling the conditions to continue to produce the kind of civilization that we are actually living in. 9/11 was a salient symbol of how Neolithic civilization has been developing for thousands of years. There is nothing new about false flag attacks. 9/11 was simply the most spectacular of those, so far ...

The real world operates combined money/murder systems. To better understand the monetary system, one needs to better understand the murder system that backs it up. In my own desultory research into these questions, I have found that my understanding of the monetary system and 9/11 events have tended to converge and overlap significantly, as these two threads have developed: 9/11 and Some Monetary System articles.

Anyone who reads my series of comments posted on Zero Hedge for the last few months will know that I repeat the point that money is backed by murder, and that there are deep reasons WHY the people who are the best at deceits backed by destruction actually control civilization. Furthermore, I then tend to go beyond that to insist that the death controls are the central core features of the debt controls, and that society cannot exist in any other way than to have some system of death controls.

The primary problem we face is that our actual death controls are primarily operated through the maximum possible deceits, by the people who benefit from those deceits. That is the context that the events on 9/11/2001 fit within. There IS a murder system, and there MUST be some murder system. That murder system is paid for by the money system, which backs that murder system up. Furthermore, it is IMPOSSIBLE for society to exist without some murder system, backing up some money system.

All of my sugggestions and recommendations revolve around the ideas that we need to make a greater use of information, and thereby attempt to have a higher consciousness, about the ways that our death controls operate. That is an extremely problematic and paradoxical problem, since real history has selected for those who are the best at lying about the real death controls to be the ones that are actually operating those controls the most. 9/11 illustrates those paradoxes, that governments are the supreme terrorists.

By and large, most people do not want to believe that, and do not want to believe that the only actually possible realistic solutions to those profound political problems are to operate the necessary murder systems better. However, that is the only theoretical way in which it would be possible to operate the monetary systems better.

The current situation is that events like those on 9/11/2001 demonstrated the basic social facts that the long history of War Kings and Fraud Kings has resulted in governments being run by gangsters, with the biggest gangsters being the banksters. Furthermore, a deeper analysis of human ecology reveals WHY that situation has evolved, and why the only genuine solutions are to attempt to do that better, through a greater use of information, and higher consciousness, taking the form of paradigm shifts in militarism, and the concepts regarding death controls, so that those then could enable and sustain revolutionary monetary systems.

At present, there is a partnership between the best organized gangs of criminals that operate the murder systems, and the monetary systems, with those who exercise the most control over those systems doing that by having been the best at being dishonest, and backing that up with violence.

While many people never learn about those basic social facts, the few that have then tend to persist in regarding the world through old-fashioned false fundamental dichotomies, and the related impossible ideals. My approach has been to go beyond that, and start applying unitary mechanisms to try to understand these processes, as general energy systems. Therefore, my position is that human reality is ALWAYS organized lies, operating organized robberies. The events on 9/11/2001 have illustrated how those processes have actually worked during more recent human history.

My position is that we should stop doing good historical analysis, only to collapse back to the same old bullshit impossible ideals when we turn to discussing "solutions" to those historical problems. In fact, the only things that ever existed were dynamic equilibria between different systems of organized lies, operating organized robbery. We have no choice but to continue to muddle through the madness that our civilization ended up being controlled by the people who were the best at being dishonest, and backing that up with violence, and that that is the fundamental nature of the social pyramid system, which has been growing bigger and bigger, since Neolithic civilization began, many thousands of years ago.

The relatively easy part of understanding 9/11 is figuring out that the official story is absurd, and impossible, after noticing that proper investigations of 9/11 were never allowed, but rather were systematically sabotaged. The almost infinitely more difficult thing to do is figure out any practical and realistic political ways to do anything about that!

People who move from their original beliefs that their government could not possibly be that evil, find learning more about 9/11 to be a profound psychological shock to go through. However, almost never do people then go on past that, to accept the deeper reasons WHY civilization operates actual money/murder systems which are based on the maximum possible deceits, since those systems deliberately deny their own realities, as much as possible.

There IS and MUST BE some human ecology, and the political economy has evolved within the actual human ecology. Therefore, there is a deep relationship between the murder system and the money system. That relationship currently manifests through almost infinite tunnels of deceits ...

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 12:34 | 3335316 Dealyer Turdin
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Thus it's nearly currently impossible to be yourself, and no, you can't buy that.

The need to pursue money destroys nearly all the valuble time coordinates we have with our personal evolutions.

Money is so out of scale with reality it makes it unprofitable to do things right the first time.

Whether or not the fiat system is in place death informs every thing we do anyway, Finity, our motivator, now co-opted by a finite number of individuals pursuing a finite set of resources.

Borrowing from the fictional legacy of Sci-Fi it's so like a backwater world getting hacked  apart by a classic galactic Ponzi, it does rather make one want to search out previously unknown vectors of introduction for the current network.

Murder is neccessary to the core scheme as it is repeatedly opposed by individual acts of bravery in the face of its tyrannies.

Rad Post RM!

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 03:49 | 3334700 Savyindallas
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Had the 911 Commission actually tried to do their job properly they would have been involved in an unfortunate plane "accident" -that's the way the shadow government of the elites operates

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 00:26 | 3334522 Setarcos
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Very well put +++

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 22:17 | 3334299 xtop23
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+1 Well done.

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 21:29 | 3334183 titty sprinkles
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Can you really not see how the two are interconnected?

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 21:20 | 3334165 Westcoastliberal
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Seems this is not only a financial site, but one that aims to find the truth.  If that makes it too hot for your tastes, you're welcome to get the fuck out.

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 20:06 | 3333951 kaiserhoff
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Who is this royal WE? 

Oddly enough, I have an answer.  The Commies George and Ilene.  A majority of two.

On a finance blog.....   Go figure.  I can't find an excuse for this shit.  I really can't.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 09:58 | 3334973 DaveyJones
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yeah...oil amd heroin has very little to do with the economy. Um, don't we spend a lot of this site talking about organized crime taking over the "financial" industry?  

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 21:34 | 3334197 Terminus C
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I am part of that we.  Don't speak for me Kaiserhoff.  In our current society politics is economics.  To suggest otherwise is folly or shilling.

 

Which are you?  Fool or shill?

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 04:19 | 3334714 Dr. Sandi
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The Fool on the Shill sees the sun going down,

And the eyes in his head look like they're spinning 'round.

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 20:42 | 3334063 bunnyswanson
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lhh-nV-E7Mc

When this kind of money is extracted from the economy the day before 9-11, there needs to be connection made.

2.3 trilllion gone...which i believe was used to pay off those who collaborated with the event. 

Transfer of wealth is what this amounts to as well.  Same as the huge profits to one individual/entity, a transfer of wealth from the main stream public into the pockets of the money changers and their friends.

 

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 19:21 | 3333821 Tango in the Blight
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Its proper name should be 9/11 Ommission Report.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 02:56 | 3334656 ToNYC
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9/11 Dismission Report points it a bit better.

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 19:21 | 3333820 prains
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Isn't this how it works?? Fuck everybody blind until they're so puckered up they look ready to hold a thirteen minute long treble C on a trombone.

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 19:17 | 3333810 Aquarius
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It is the best policy to never believe that which government says and where Paranoia saves lives.

Keyword: NEVER

[It is the nature of all governments to lie, particularly socialist, communist, fascist, democratic and totalitarian governments]

Ho hum

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 19:26 | 3333805 Bastiat
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Terrorism, war crimes, crimes against humanity . . . treason and mass murder.

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 23:18 | 3334422 Wakanda
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I wonder why they want to disarm us?

</sarc>

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 04:16 | 3334710 Dr. Sandi
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So we don't all kill ourselves, of course.

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 18:59 | 3333759 Rustysilver
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I believe in the 9/11 commission report as much as believe the Warren Commission report.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 14:22 | 3335605 Lost Word
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Too many down votes if you forget to include the sarc tag.

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 04:15 | 3334709 Dr. Sandi
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You're not one of those people who still debunks the JFK suicide are you?

We know he killed himself over the guilt he felt over murdering Marilyn, and cleverly managed to frame Lee Oswald.

And the Bobby Kennedy suicide too. He was filled with remorse over what he had done to the real peace candidate, Eugene McCartney and had himself snuffed in Hollywood, of all places.

These conspiracies to make celebrity suicides look like assassinations really make me boil.

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 21:41 | 3334211 Westcoastliberal
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Say Rusty, if the Warren Commission report bothers you as much as it does me, you might be interested in spending some time viewing this incredible documentary series, never aired in full in the U.S..  I've only viewed two the episodes thus far and have already learned much, and I'm a person who has sought the truth on this topic since it occured. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWM0IjYQsa4&list=PLE8E74E3C545DFEB1

Sun, 03/17/2013 - 01:22 | 3337313 Dr. Sandi
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What's this about the Rusty Warren Commission?

If we bounce our boobies, will that affect the trajectory of the magic bullet?

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 20:43 | 3334067 Debt-Is-Not-Money
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The Warren Commission report set the standard.

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 19:02 | 3333770 JustObserving
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Are you German by any chance?  They are so skeptical:

According to a survey conducted by TNS Emnid, one of the largest polling institutes in Germany, nearly 90 percent of Germans do not believe the U.S. government explanation of what happened on September 11, 2001.

The poll was conducted for the German magazine World of the Miracles.

In addition to 89.5% not buying the official 9/11 story, the poll found that 73.7% of surveyed Germans believe that the Kennedy assassination was a conspiracy and nearly 80% believe the CIA conducts covert operations on German soil.

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 21:04 | 3334114 disabledvet
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i'm not sure the US Government believes the report either actually. "will not be solved by having another Commission either" unfortunately. hence "down the road we go." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mm3ypbAbLJ8

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 18:47 | 3333733 tony bonn
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god bless you again george!!!! this  reporting is pulitzer worthy.....

for those who want the whole enchilada, read jim marrs book II - it will blow your mind on how evil the conspiracy was and the bush crime syndicate's involvement....if cheney isn't satan, i don't know who is....

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 18:52 | 3333729 JustObserving
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The 9/11 Commission Report: A 571-Page Lie


In discussing my second 9/11 book, The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions, I have often said, only half in jest, that a better title might have been "a 571-page lie." (Actually, I was saying "a 567-page lie," because I was forgetting to count the four pages of the Preface.) In making this statement, one of my points has been that the entire Report is constructed in support of one big lie: that the official story about 9/11 is true. 

Another point, however, is that in the process of telling this overall lie, The 9/11 Commission Report tells many lies about particular issues. This point is implied by my critique's subtitle, "Omissions and Distortions." It might be thought, to be sure, that of the two types of problems signaled by those two terms, only those designated "distortions" can be considered lies. 

It is better, however, to understand the two terms as referring to two types of lies: implicit and explicit. We have an explicit lie when the Report claims that the core of each of the Twin Towers consisted of a hollow steel shaft or when it claims that Vice President Cheney did not give the shoot-down order until after 10:10 that morning. But we have an implicit lie when the Commission, in its discussion of the 19 alleged suicide hijackers, omits the fact that at least six of them have credibly been reported to be still alive, or when it fails to mention the fact that Building 7 of the World Trade Center collapsed. Such omissions are implicit lies partly because they show that the Commission did not honor its stated intention "to provide the fullest possible account of the events surrounding 9/11." They are also lies insofar as the Commission could avoid telling an explicit lie about the issue in question only by not mentioning it, which, I believe, was the case in at least most instances. 

Given these two types of lies, it might be wondered how many lies are contained in The 9/11 Commission Report. I do not know. But, deciding to see how many lies I had discussed in my book, I found that I had identified over 100 of them. Once I had made the list, it occurred to me that others might find this summary helpful. Hence this article. 

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20050523112738404

 

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 16:22 | 3335954 Stroke
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No one gives a shit anymore... .....not really..................

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 19:52 | 3333884 DavidPierre
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9/11 Commission:


An ... Intentional ...Work of Fiction Based on Cheney’s Torture Program.

See This... This... This and This!

9/11 Conspiracy Solved:


Names, Connections, & Details Exposed!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vduFYcjbqec

 

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 22:51 | 3334364 toxic8
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That's by my man ALIENSCIENTIST a VERY smart kid with a Physics degree!

BTW Youtube just shut his account down for ambiguous reasons... so, you know, he was probably disseminating some kind of truth...

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 21:32 | 3334190 Terminus C
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Very good video.  Not many have watched it, but, suprisingly a paid shill has posted a straw man to turn people away in the comment section.  The government has pulled out all the stops on this one.

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 21:55 | 3334250 ZerOhead
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Torture is so Second Millenia...

Today in Colorado Fox News tells us it is legal to inject 'truth serums' and wire up polygraphs against the accused's will.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/03/12/judge-approves-possible-use-truth-s...

And the military can noweven use technology to place that little voice (and commands) inside your head...

http://science.dodlive.mil/2010/09/01/remote-control-of-brain-activity-u...

 

Sat, 03/16/2013 - 14:02 | 3335533 DaveyJones
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the worst torture is watching these criminal fools run this place day after day

Fri, 03/15/2013 - 21:48 | 3334225 Westcoastliberal
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Don't know if you guys know the name "Michael Ruppert" but his book "Crossing the Rubicon" is used by some universities when trying to understand some 911 truths, and I understand it's still on the best-seller lists.  Here's a two part interview where he lays out his opinion that Dick Cheney had a LOT to do with 911.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OM6sdbVMYjE

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