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Congress Passes “Monsanto Rider”, Pushing Genetically Modified Foods Onto Our Plates

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 Do We Have a Right to Know If Our Food Has Been Genetically Modified?Painting by Anthony Freda: www.AnthonyFreda.com.

We warned a little more than a week ago that Congress was poised to pass a bill that would make it more likely that genetically modified food ends up on your plate … and destroys the separation of powers.

Congress has – in fact – passed the bill … and Obama has signed it into law.

People are understandably furious that Congress and Obama have sold us out … and the congress critters responsible for passing the bill are scrambling to make excuses.

The International Business Times notes:

1.) The “Monsanto Protection Act” effectively bars federal courts from being able to halt the sale or planting of controversial genetically modified (aka GMO) or genetically engineered (GE) seeds, no matter what health issues may arise concerning GMOs in the future.

 

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[GMO food has never been subjected to any real government or private safety studies.]   Now it appears that even if those studies are completed and they end up revealing severe adverse health effects related to the consumption of genetically modified foods, the courts will have no ability to stop the spread of the seeds and the crops they bear. [Genetically engineered foods have, in fact, already been linked to obesity, cancer, liver failure, infertility and all sorts of other diseases (brief, must-watch videos here and here).]

 

2.) The provision’s language was apparently written in collusion with Monsanto. Lawmakers and companies working together to craft legislation is by no means a rare occurrence in this day and age. But the fact that Sen. Roy Blunt, Republican of Missouri, actually worked with Monsanto on a provision that in effect allows them to keep selling seeds, which can then go on to be planted, even if it is found to be harmful to consumers, is stunning. It’s just another example of corporations bending Congress to their will, and it’s one that could have dire risks for public health in America.

 

3.) Many members of Congress were apparently unaware that the “Monsanto Protection Act” even existed within the bill they were voting on. HR 933 was a spending bill aimed at averting a government shutdown and ensuring that the federal government would continue to be able to pay its bills. But the Center for Food Safety maintains that many Democrats in Congress were not even aware that the provision was in the legislation:

 

“In this hidden backroom deal, Sen. [Barbara] Mikulski turned her back on consumer, environmental and farmer protection in favor of corporate welfare for biotech companies such as Monsanto,” Andrew Kimbrell, executive director of the Center for Food Safety, said in a statement. “This abuse of power is not the kind of leadership the public has come to expect from Sen. Mikulski or the Democrat Majority in the Senate.”

 

4.) The President did nothing to stop it, either. On Tuesday, Obama signed HR 933 while the rest of the nation was fixated on gay marriage, as the U.S. Supreme Court heard oral argument concerning California’s Proposition 8. But just because most of the nation and the media were paying attention to gay marriage doesn’t mean that others were not doing their best to express their opposition to the “Monsanto Protection Act.” In fact, more than 250,000 voters signed a petition opposing the provision. And Food Democracy Now protesters even took their fight straight to Obama, protesting in front of the White House against Section 735 of the bill. He signed it anyway.

 

5.) It sets a terrible precedent. Though it will only remain in effect for six months until the government finds another way to fund its operations, the message it sends is that corporations can get around consumer safety protections if they get Congress on their side. Furthermore, it sets a precedent that suggests that court challenges are a privilege, not a right.

 

“I think any time you tweak with the ability of the public to seek redress from the courts, you create a huge risk,” Seattle attorney Bill Marler — who has represented victims of foodborne illness in successful lawsuits against corporations [said.]

New York Daily News asks:

Who’s more powerful, the world’s largest producer of genetically modified crops or the U.S. government?

But that's not the right question.

The right question is how destructive will the malignant, symbiotic relationship between big government and big corporations be to we the people?

Given the way that things are playing out with regard to the the Cyprus grab of bank deposits, the horse meat (and now dog meat) scandals, Fukushima and the BP oil spill, and various other scandals, the answer is very far indeed.

 

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Sat, 03/30/2013 - 11:33 | 3391428 Mototard at Large
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Horse meat. Dog meat. Soylent green. GM Food.  All the same.

Buy local from a farmer you can meet in the market or grow your own. 

Sun, 03/31/2013 - 18:38 | 3394300 failsafe
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The DNA (ribonucleic acid) in the plants we eat is mostly destroyed by the acid in the stomach and science on HOW the modified dna would hurt people has not begun. The kind of problem that is solvable is the issue of patents. A patent on DNA that has been altered is really just claiming a signature that allows the company to trick people (Obama, patent clerks, farmers) into thinking of the GM seeds as permanently identifiable AND as better. Neither is the case. But it allows Monsanto et al to enforce ridiculous restrictions on farmers and charge a frickin fortune to keep buying seed (since farmers are at the mercy of buyers). What Monsanto is hiding is the fact that plant dns changed almost as soon as plants begin to grow ..it is unstable not in a bad sense but in the sense that it's transcription is easily altered by env. Transcription is all that counts when it comes to what the plant is like. Once insects, hell wind gets into the picture the GM isaltesfy becoming something new. Monsanto should be forced to prove that the seeds from his/its seeds are still identifiable under the patent. The patent law that allows him to hold farmers in the fire is crap and needs to be challenged. First bag of seeds, Monsanto just knock herself out, but after the wind insects etc get to the dna... Good luck ... It ain't yours anymore.

Sat, 03/30/2013 - 11:33 | 3391427 Grassfed
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Man has been modifying the genetic makeups of plants and animals since he first started selecting for attributes he thought were better.  (That’s about 10,000 years ago.)  I am still waiting for the GMO alarmists to move beyond the Jeffrey Smith (yogic flying, dance instructor) story telling scams.  Anyone who gets most of his quotes for the media and who complains vociferously about an industry where he has no credentials is a fraud.

http://academicsreview.org/reviewed-individuals/jeffrey-smith/

If ones analyzes the nutrient compositions of GMO plants versus heritage plants the numbers are the same.  Everything is chemical.  Our bodies are chemical.  But this aspect of GMO is ignored while the mob runs about in panic.

The food system started failing man when he invented grain farming.  So long as people eat grain, they will experience chronic diseases of all kinds.  Why? Because all animal life is supposed to replicate the nutrient profile of a green leaf – GMO or not.  When man started eating seeds he change the nutrient profile of his main food away from the green leaf and consequently his health suffers.

Man Is an Extension of the Leafy, Green Plant:  http://www.texasgrassfedbeef.com/id86.htm

One of the great problems with the grain-based food system is the Omega-3 deficiency and that gravely damages brain function.  Maybe that’s why people hate some things that are meaningless and love things that kill them.  Go figure.

BTW, people like John Robbins, another real nut case, love the Jeremy Smith scam.  Also the vitriolic hatred toward Monsanto is so misplaced that it’s not even funny.  The complainers know nothing about agriculture yet they sit around and pontificate like they had all of the hundreds of doctoral degrees that can be had in agricultural wrapped up in their pointy little heads.

These people remind me of the French farmers who destroyed the first hot air balloon because they feared for their lives.

Sun, 03/31/2013 - 18:50 | 3394338 Reptil
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Grassfed? What a nice pseudonym.

Ok, enough already with the old "ad hominem" attacks on people. It's an old strategy and it doesn't work (it doesn't distract from the reality)

DOW Syngenta Bayer Monsanto DuPont - a few links to scientific publications that prove herbicides cause infertility, change morphology (shape) of animals, kill trees etc.:

http://www.motherjones.com/tom-philpott/2012/01/dows-new-gmo-seed-puts-u...

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0887233311003341

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0890623806002711

https://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/15/science/earth/15herbicide.html?_r=0

http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0002117

etc. do a search, the evidence is out there.
YOU are the one that's posting misplaced nonsense.

Do you have children? Grandchildren perhaps?

 

Sat, 03/30/2013 - 15:55 | 3392032 Sean7k
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Please explain why Monsanto will not release it's raw studies for peer review? This is the standard for all scientific testing. If you cannot test the original study and confirm results, IT'S ACKNOWLEDGED AS CRAP IN EVERY SCIENTIFIC JOURNAL IN THE WORLD.

What an asshole. You're a disgrace to all grass farming cattle ranchers in America.

Sat, 03/30/2013 - 14:15 | 3391797 Apply Force
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Agree - eat vegetables, some fruits and plenty of natural proteins and fats (eggs, meats, nuts, seeds, etc).  Omega 3 fats are beneficial, and you by extension then think GMO salmon are OK...? Go right ahead - but I'll abstain, thanks. 

And if I catch a salmon that has "GM DNA signatures" and attempt to sell it - GM salmon which will of course invade native specie populations (just as crops do now) - than I shall pay a fine for infringing upon the "Intellectual Property" of whichever corporate entity...?  Just as small farmers are put out of business for harvesting cross-pollinated crops now?!?

You are a simple slave on the road to serfdom, owned by your betters.  Forest for the trees and all that.  The grass fed beef should keep you well enough for their use, though, I suppose.

 

Sat, 03/30/2013 - 14:08 | 3391786 Zer0head
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http://monsantoblog.com/

Grassfed how long have you been writing for that blog?

Sat, 03/30/2013 - 10:10 | 3391225 kaiserhoff
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This is one of the few places where I agree with the EU.

GM food is unlikely to poison you, but there are real risks and costs.

GM grains have dramatically increased yields, at greatly increased cost and vulnerability.  The less genetic diversity you have, the more the entire crop is vulnerable to drought, pests, flooding..., whatever.  A total loss is a real possibility, which just doesn't happen with open pollinated fields.

Also, this whole business of glow in the dark rabbits is just spooky.  The universities are letting children play with fire.

 

 

Sat, 03/30/2013 - 16:00 | 3392041 Sean7k
Sat, 03/30/2013 - 11:31 | 3391425 Joe A
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Currently, the EU is being lobbied by agribusiness to allow GM food. Also, I fear the 'free trade' agreement being negociated between the US and the EU will pave the way for more GMO in Europe. The EU Food Safety Authority -comparable to the FDA- has strong ties with International Life Sciences Institute (ILSI) based in Washington which is linked to big food companies. See Conflicts on the Menu.

For debunking that GM food is safe google "GMO myths and facts"

Sat, 03/30/2013 - 10:56 | 3391320 Key-Rick
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The GMO food will get wiped out at some point by an unforseen pestilence.  Bigger issue to me is the use of oil to fertilize these Frankencrops.  Modern synthetic fertilizer is just that - crude oil morphed into nitrogen, potassium and phosphorus to be fed to the Frankencrops by the ton.  The end result is an infertile, dead soil that takes decades to return to natural fertility.  Not to mention monoculture - the primary reason for the use of pesticides and the greatest reason for vulnerability to large crop failures.

I don't buy any of that crap.  I buy local grass-fed meat and get all my produce from the farmer's markets around here.  The rest, I grow. 

Read "The Omnivore's Dilemma" if you want to find out just how awful the Monsanto/Cargill/GMO/feedlot unnatural operation is.  You'll never eat fast food again.

Sat, 03/30/2013 - 10:07 | 3391219 Stud Duck
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Doesn;t Senator Roy Blunt remind you of the Joker in Batman?? Those rounded raise eybrows, wild eyes, the mouth even resembles Jack Nicholson.

It looks like the joke is on all of us this time!

Sat, 03/30/2013 - 09:50 | 3391205 Falconsixone
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Maybe the bees will do something when they hear their first in line to die.

Sat, 03/30/2013 - 10:00 | 3391213 Falconsixone
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First they came for the Corn, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Corn.

Then they came for the Laws, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Law.

Then they came for the Bees, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Bee.

Then they came for me and my empty belly--and there was no one left to speak for me but my rifle.

BUZZ......BUZZ..........

Sat, 03/30/2013 - 09:48 | 3391204 UGrev
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Control the food. Control the people. 

Sat, 03/30/2013 - 09:10 | 3391159 hardcleareye
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Reading the comments on ZH this morning brought to mind a scene from Alice and Wonderland... lol

Would you tell me, please, which way I ought to go from here?'
'That depends a good deal on where you want to get to,' said the Cat.
'I don't much care where —' said Alice.
'Then it doesn't matter which way you go,' said the Cat 'But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
'Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: 'we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.'
'How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
'You must be,' said the Cat, 'or you wouldn't have come here.'

Sat, 03/30/2013 - 07:43 | 3391059 onthesquare
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Embrace it, we are all alone.  Eventually the leveler we deliver us from this madness.

Sat, 03/30/2013 - 07:16 | 3391037 Quinvarius
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If you have no access to courts you are completely justified in taking the law in you own hands to solve your issues and doing anything it takes to regain access to the courts.

Sat, 03/30/2013 - 07:07 | 3391027 espirit
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Picked a few ears of Monsanto corn on my way north from a roadside field.  Going to list them as a 3rd party dead drop on Ebay in exchange for ASE's.

Either that, or sell them on the black market.

sarc on/off, I forget which.

Sat, 03/30/2013 - 07:00 | 3391018 falak pema
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AND Obama wants to impose this Monsanto logic now cast in stone at home  in Corpocracy crazy USA on the EU, in his upcoming deal to create a free zone open to US corporates beyond the current Banksta scam : into Google big brother world and Monsanto dystopia.

What has Pax Americana morphed into? 

Sat, 03/30/2013 - 12:31 | 3391579 OccupyTVstations
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What has Pax Americana morphed into?

The Fourth Reich.

Literally... an early director of the OSI, aka the "Nazi Hunters", estimated that 10% of the 400,000 german immigrants post WWII were nazis, but he didn't want to sound too alarmist, so he conservatively posted his estimate at 10,000 nazis that came to America. The OSI prosecuted 138 cases.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/14/us/14nazis.html

get the full report here

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB331/index.htm

Everyone sees the torture and other bullshit produced by hollywood... it's not just for 'ratings'. Its done to create a generation of evil people that think like that. Now half of the children in America know 10 different ways to torture someone with kitchen appliances... and if 99% of them are desperately poor, how many will actually do evil things like that to join 'the club' as Carlin put it.

How can we possibly fight the new nazis that are in power? They own the media and all the politicians, DC, State and Local, and these assholes have appointed other nazis, skull and bones, whatever you want to call them, into other positions of power- ie head of the SEC, FDA, etc.

The good guys play by the rules, while the bad guys lie, cheat and murder..... How can we stop this cycle and return good hearted, honest people to the top?

Sun, 03/31/2013 - 16:52 | 3394098 Reptil
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yes, they're Nazis.

This guy (dr. Rath) researched it, the IG Farben corp. pharma planned the megafactories in Nazi Germany, and were allowed to continue (without as much as a slap on the wrist) after the war. all the evidence is there.

an interview (part 1 of 6) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFPR0x93ClY

search for "Operation Monarch" and the "Tavistock Institute"

and here a documentary aired in Germany, where the role of high ranking nazi intelligence officers in the birth of the CIA and NSA has been exposed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1ZS1yHvNP4

back to food: unbeknownst to many, nearly all countries signed the "Codex Alimentarius", in which they bound themselves (without consulting or even informing their people) to a global "harmonisation" of the food production. the "free trade" agreement that's going to cause a flood of GMO onto europe is part of this larger plan.
In questionaires the EU Commission is already speaking of a "harmonisation" and asking the opinion about coëxistence of GMO and biological agriculture. Which is practically IMPOSSIBLE, as can be seen in Mexico, where the wild corn has been polluted with GM DNA strains.

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/codexalimentarius15jan09.shtml

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they sold us out. we already said "no" to GMO in europe. we don't need it, we don't want it. and yet it's still pushed ahead behind the scenes. if they don't listen, then further action is required. we will not go silent in that good night.

where is this all going? what's the logical outcome longer term?

these plans are strange and destructive. a corporation that specialised in destroying life is now controlling a large chunk of the world's food business through seed production. Through the WTO and it's trade agreements, countries will be forced to accept and abandon their (growing) resistence against this monopoly. the monopoly of course will be enforced with militairy power. it's becoming more and more clear to me, and others, that, if these plans are executed, this planet will be sterilised of all indiginous lifeforms.
the continuation of running old nuclear plants past their expiration date is another leg of this issue; it is unresponsible, and there's a real chance that this will make this planet uninhabitable.
next question: why is that?

Sun, 03/31/2013 - 18:22 | 3394253 Cathartes Aura
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Europeans need to pay attention to TAFTA, because it's a foot in the door for amrkn "trades" - and when they re-define words without your awareness, they bypass your mind's ability to protect you.  read the link above re: milk & aspartame (Rumsfeld's WMD).

mportantly, none of these additives need to be listed on the label. They will simply be swept under the definition of "milk," so that when a company lists "milk" on the label, it automatically includes aspartame or sucralose. And if you're trying to avoid aspartame, you'll have no way of doing so because it won't be listed on the label.

Sun, 03/31/2013 - 19:09 | 3394391 Reptil
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Absolutely. They're planning to open up european consumer economy for american (GMO) products, a bypass, since introducing it through the european most likely is not progressing fast enough for them. It's a bold plan to give producers in europe the finger. This is a major card being played.

Aspartame is harmful http://www.nature.com/ejcn/journal/vaop/ncurrent/pdf/1602866a.pdf

 

 

Sat, 03/30/2013 - 07:16 | 3391034 espirit
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Obvious isn't it?  

FOOD TAXES.

Sat, 03/30/2013 - 07:45 | 3391061 onthesquare
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In the future it will be illegal to grow your own food.  Natural seeds will be illegal and must be destroyed.  You either eat their GMO poison or die.  We have a runner!

Sat, 03/30/2013 - 09:39 | 3391194 Racer
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In the UK the British Society of Plant Breeders Ltd, Cambridge must be told what is sown, even if a farmer does not sow any seeds. Failure to notify can result in court action and a criminal record

Sat, 03/30/2013 - 07:09 | 3391030 Ghordius
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the Great MegaBazaar - the dystopian "Freedom for Megacorporations" Empire

in the greater scheme of things this has happened in smaller scales before, though usually it was monasteries gobbling up all economic vitality out of their territories - and of all religions, at that

of course only until someone looked at them as giant piggy-banks to be raided, that is

Sat, 03/30/2013 - 06:20 | 3390987 jvetter713
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It's time for some examples to be made out of people.

Sat, 03/30/2013 - 04:41 | 3390931 Bloodstock
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We no longer have to wonder how low some of the filth in DC will bow. Let us hope and pray that enough folks wake up and change the tide. 

Sat, 03/30/2013 - 04:36 | 3390928 Longtermnotreally
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Fucking lowlives, including the US "Congress", or whatever these people should be called

Sat, 03/30/2013 - 03:46 | 3390913 andrewp111
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Nothing can be allowed to threaten the US Agricultural Industry, as if you didn't know that. At least 2/3 of Senators come from "farm states". One of the few exceptions to sequestration cuts was the meat inspectors, in the same bill. Nothing to see here, move along.

Sat, 03/30/2013 - 02:58 | 3390902 putaipan
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ebolapox? is that trademarked yet?

Sat, 03/30/2013 - 01:52 | 3390859 putaipan
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bill gates. the seed vault. monsanto wrote it. indigestible vile nonnutriscious garbage. malthusian agronomics. austin fitts was/is right. backyard inagural gardens my ass! . need i say more?

.......feeeeed thhhaaaa world, let them know it's easter afteraaaaaallllllllllllllll. quick, somebody make a music video!

Sat, 03/30/2013 - 02:08 | 3390875 knukles
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Gates is a full bore modern Eugenicist ...
Look up his old TED talks on YouTube... He spikes about sterilizing women through the inclusion of drugs causing infertility to be administered in 3rd world countries without the recipients knowledge... And that's just a beginning
This whole agglomeration of Agenda 21, the Codex, population control is the NWO real time here in operation right now... Not a joke, not a theory, not a thing of the future...
These are evil people, no different than Hitler.... Looking to do the same stuff in the name or holy earth saving altruistic human leaders rather than the Liebenstraum of the Germanics.
There is a war on for your very soul, people.

Sat, 03/30/2013 - 08:21 | 3391102 hardcleareye
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Can you provide a link that shows gates making an argument to "improve the human gene pool"?  I searched the TED talks on YouTube and listen to him speak (not the whole discussion in context just experts) but did not catch the   "Eugenicist " portion that you reference.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Fsvm3AEK_I

But setting aside Bill Gates and "our tin foil hats" (I happen to like my tin foil hat.... I tell the kids you are only "paranoid" if your wrong... lol)

If you cannot feed or care for yourself should you be allowed to bring another human being onto this earth? 

Who is going to care for that child?  Are we all going to sit back and watch that child suffer and die to preserve the right of an individual to reproduce?  Does this make any sense???  (The old argument of "Pro-Life verses Pro-Birth"....)  Do we collectively have a responsibility to care and nurture every child that is brought into the world by parents that cannot provide for them?  (I read many people on ZH bitch about the "black welfare queens" and the white trash at Wallmart spending our hard earned tax dollars...)

We live in a finite world, the population cannot continue to climb exponentially.  Would you rather slow or stop the population growth or see starvation, human suffering and a poor quality of life?  These are real ethical and "moral" questions, two sides of the same coin... Take a look at Egypt's population, gdp etc and the stresses that happen in a society when a population exceeds it ability to feed and care for it's self.

 

 

 

 

Sun, 03/31/2013 - 18:15 | 3394234 Cathartes Aura
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these questions you pose,

If you cannot feed or care for yourself should you be allowed to bring another human being onto this earth? 

Who is going to care for that child?  Are we all going to sit back and watch that child suffer and die to preserve the right of an individual to reproduce?  Does this make any sense???  (The old argument of "Pro-Life verses Pro-Birth"....)  Do we collectively have a responsibility to care and nurture every child that is brought into the world by parents that cannot provide for them?  (I read many people on ZH bitch about the "black welfare queens" and the white trash at Wallmart spending our hard earned tax dollars...)

should be answered by those who seek to enForce birth, via constitutional amendments.   because there appears to be a dis-connect in the desire to Control, some dissonance relative to the outcomes.

your arguments need to be focused there, IMO.

the BillyGates story is embedded in "sweat activated vaccines" and male sterilants.  try searching there.  when one connects the dots with information available, including nano-particles, aerosol'd, it's not hard to imagine the information kept secret, leaking. . .

Sat, 03/30/2013 - 09:20 | 3391172 dark pools of soros
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Are you saying someone from TMZ won't be able to exchange gossip of the stars to a farmer for dinner on a regular basis? What vile world you predict!!

Sat, 03/30/2013 - 08:50 | 3391132 bank guy in Brussels
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A couple decades back, there was famine in Ethiopia, when a large portion of the 40 million Ethiopians were hungry

World poured in money and aid and food, better farming techiques etc.

Now there are 80 million Ethiopians, population has doubled in no time

And it seems there is famine again ...

Demographers are hesitantly pointing out that the last continent of population boom, is Africa, and in fact most of the next 3 billion people to be added to the current world 7 billion, will come from Africa

From Canadian journalist (Mr) Gwynne Dyer, 'The African Population Disaster':

« ... much tutting and shaking of heads over its prediction that we will be ten billion by the end of the century. But almost nobody will have the temerity to point out that this is almost entirely an African problem ...

« The United Nations Population Fund’s own numbers tell the story. Africa currently has one-seventh of the world’s people: just over one billion. But during the rest of the century, the UN agency predicts, this single continent will add an extra 2.6 billion people, more than tripling in population, while all the rest of the world adds just half a billion. ...

« If it weren’t for the African population boom, the world’s population would never exceed 7.5 billion. »

http://gwynnedyer.com/2011/the-african-population-disaster/

Sat, 03/30/2013 - 07:13 | 3391033 Fred C Dobbs
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Tell everyone everywhere knukles.  I think one day this will be the major topic here at zerohedge. 

 

 

Sat, 03/30/2013 - 04:41 | 3390933 Longtermnotreally
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That is the sad truth, and most are still unwilling to aknowlegde this, in other words, they deserve what's coming to them

Sat, 03/30/2013 - 07:49 | 3391065 onthesquare
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Push the f...k..g button already!

Sat, 03/30/2013 - 04:41 | 3390932 Bloodstock
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Evil mo fo's.

Sat, 03/30/2013 - 04:29 | 3390843 Radical Marijuana
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"How destructive will the malignant, symbiotic relationship between big government and big corporations be to we the people?"

The answer appears to be far worse than we can imagine! The whole system is based on runaway frauds, backed by force, which automatically get worse, faster. There is no end in sight to how far that is going to go ... I expect there must inevitably be more genocidal wars, along with democidal martial law. The established systems are going to continue to do more and more of what they are doing, and they will push that to the limits of mad self-destruction.

Meanwhile, as far as I can tell, 99% of We the People act like Zombie Sheeple, who are going to do nothing to prevent that from happening. Even worse, since the overall REALITY has become global electronic fiat money fraud, backed by weapons of mass destruction, that REALITY is so utterly insane and irrational that there are no sane ways to effectively resist that, which I am aware of, since the so-called "democratic republic" is already practically dead.

The truism is that controlling the food controls the people, and controlling the money controls the food. Everything about the Monsanto corporation's runaway triumph is inside of the overall monetary system. The biggest gangsters are the banksters. Their systems are behind the "profit from junk food" that is exemplified by Monsanto, and the "profit from disease" exemplified by the pharmaceutical companies. The whole thing is a social pyramid system based on lies, backed by violence, in order to maintain the current social facts where 99% of the people are too ignorant and/or afraid, to be able to do anything effective to resist. The path we are on is clearly towards the vast majority of the people continuing to behave like Zombie Sheeple, who will be fleeced to exhaustion, and then they, and their lambs, will be slaughtered by the Vicious Wolves, namely the banksters and their corporations.

The deeper problems are that there must still be SOME human ecology. Therefore, there MUST BE some murder system, operating some death controls. The actual way that those have evolved have driven those who were the best at being deceitful about that being able to prevail, and control our civilization, so that it collectively behaves in its mad self-destructive rush towards being amplified to astronomical sizes by science and technology. Monsanto/government represents the runaway triumph of force backed frauds taking more control over society, by being able to privatize everything, more and more, since the government provides the legalized violence to back up the corporations' legalized lies.

The radical truths which we need to respond more effectively to those runaway social insanity systems are barely on the horizon of history. There are no better public debates regarding any of these things which appear remotely possible at the present time. The politicians are almost all totally puppets, performing for muppets, and there is barely anything else of significance within the public social spaces that I am aware of. Therefore, fraudulent science, operating through wilful blindness, and deliberate ignorance, is going to keep on rubber stamping the rush towards even more frauds, backed by more force, and the only limit upon that appears to be through natural selection acting on global civilization as a whole, to cause its decline and fall, since being controlled by huge lies must finally result in our civilization collapsing into chaos.

The deeper dilemmas with respect to having a society in which science becomes such a powerful force is that the philosophy of science should become an extremely important thing to that technologically based society. The problems caused by the background triumphs of scientific frauds (which are Monsanto's main modus operandi) are that the longer term consequences will accumulate.

However, I always find that those who wish for a more scientifically valid set of policies, which were not so distorted by the funding of the political processes, (including the funding of the so-called "science") generally refuse to penetrate to a more scientific understanding of society and government itself.

THE BASIC PROBLEM IS THAT MONEY IS BACKED BY MURDER. It is impossible to change that basic reality, only to work through it. What is happening now is that the money power has already been more than 99% privatized. Allowing that to continue is what primarily proves that 99% of We the People are Zombie Sheeple. In that context, what the meaning of the Monsanto situation actually amounts to is that Monsanto makes money from murder, albeit somewhat indirectly, and thus, Monsanto can do that with complete impunity and irresponsibility.

Of course, those who do not like that then almost NEVER provide any arguments regarding how we could or should operate any better murder/money systems, but rather, like to propose impossible ideals that no such systems should exist at all. Therefore, around and around and around we go. Monsanto represents how the Vicious Wolves dominate the Zombie Sheeple, and almost all of the public opposition to that are a range of Black Sheep recommending the everyone should be better Sheeple, including, of course, Monsanto, and the banksters behind Monsanto.

Therefore, we are in a runaway combined money/murder system, being amplified to more astronomical sizes by advances in science and technology, while our basic social pyramid system is based on those who control that being the best at lying about what they are really doing, while those who are controlled have lives which are based on them continuing to be ignorant and afraid, while they tend to be led by people whose "solutions" are that everyone should be better Sheeple.

The deeper problem with respect to these evolving situations with respect to social facts is that nobody likes the truth. There IS, and MUST BE, some system of organized lies, operating organized robberies. Our current systems are operated by the best professional liars, and immaculate hypocrites, both within the establishment, as well as within its controlled opposition groups. Our politics is pretty well 99% dominated by the biggest bullies' bullshit views regarding what is going on. The Vicious Wolves, and their Dogs, promote their bullshit, because they benefit from that, while the Zombie Sheeple, and their Black Sheep "leaders," have been selected to also stay within that same overall bullshit frame of reference with respect to these phenomena.

Therefore, we are in a runaway system of privatization, based upon public violence, and we see that as corporations like Monsanto more and more get away with practically patenting life, while the government agrees to back that up with violence, while also that government is agreeing to never use that power to be violent against Monsanto.

Sat, 03/30/2013 - 18:43 | 3392404 Aquarius
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I totally agree and sincerely congratulate you on your grasp: bravo. But why?

Why do some men desire to impose their values on other men?

Why do some men need to control other men?

Why do some men need to impose belief systems on other men, and it they find resistance, have them tortured and murdered?

The sharmanistic philosophies seek concordance with Nature. The Christian, Henbrew and Islamist "religions" demands that Nature kneel before man (ie "man the unaccomplished"). The former is innately true energy while the latter is merely a force.

The answer lays with Kain and Habel; that war against El which has not yet finished.

There is to be much pain before this "round" is finshed.

Ho hum

Sun, 03/31/2013 - 17:50 | 3394190 Cathartes Aura
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that Nature is creative is axiomatic.

that Man cannot create without Woman is axiomatic.

that FatherSkyGods invented by Men cannot create without Women is axiomatic..

all existence is Co-Created.  Men that cannot tolerate this Truth seek to compete with each Other'd for Control, particularly of Minds.

competitive behaviours, self-centered thinking, sociopathy, me first, mine, fuck you, gimme. . . the mind of a two-year old, believing in moar toys wins, and self-pleasuring, consumption.  this all passes for "culture" now.  out of balance, tipping point

Control is impossible for any length of time - and humans are but a blip on the true Time-Line.  Shamans know this, they watch, from above, outside, positioned no where in particular.

 

Sat, 03/30/2013 - 11:36 | 3391437 OccupyTVstations
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This point in humanity is the culmination of thousands of years of evolution- the evolution of evil.

Good people leading the resistance say 'turn the other cheek', but if they become too popular they are killed. (Jesus, MLK, how many others?) How can humanity overcome this situation where the evil mofos keep murdering the good people?

Oh, I know... let's vote them out next election!

 

Sat, 03/30/2013 - 08:42 | 3391122 hardcleareye
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Wow.... nice rant!  (had to make another cup of coffee to read through this one)

To succinctly sum this up  "We Are FUCKED"?   lol

Sat, 03/30/2013 - 06:44 | 3391004 WTFx10
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"Who’s more powerful, the world’s largest producer of fiat money or the U.S. government?"

"Who’s more powerful, the world’s largest producer of fiat money or "We the People"?"
"The issue which has swept down the centuries and which will have to be fought sooner or later is the people versus the banks."
John Dalberg Lord Acton

Guns don't kill people, Awake pissed off and lied to Americans kill banksters?

So the government tells us think of the children. thats why we need gun Control.

Who does Gun Control benefit? The criminals left with the guns and who are the criminals?

See the Lord Acton Quote

Our Criminally controlled government Lies to us about everything.

So what makes gun control any different?

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