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Please Don’t Kill Everyone Who “Looks Muslim” Just Because the Boston Terrorists Were Allegedly Muslim
Without going down any rabbit holes about who carried out the Boston bombings (you can go down some here if you'd like) - or bringing up previous Chechen terrorist frame-ups (by the Russians) - I'd like to take one contrarian view ...
Maybe we shouldn't "kill all Muslims" just because the Boston terrorists appear to be Chechen Muslims.
Specifically - after 9/11 - Americans murdered a number of people because they “looked Muslim” … even though they were actually from a completely different religion.
Yesterday, a Muslim woman with an infant was attacked by someone blaming Muslims for the Boston terrorist attacks.
There is also a remote possibility that rogue fundamentalist Christian military personnel could start a nuclear war against Muslim nations.
Many are writing that the Boston bombers – Chechen brothers Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev – were devout Muslims.
If they were - in fact - the Boston bombers, then we are all for taking them out by any means necessary. And we have no hesitation in giving them the death penalty if they are convicted in a court of law.
However, we congratulate the FBI for taking terrorist # 2 alive (here's an actual photo of his capture).
After all, we can gain much more valuable intelligence from a terrorist in custody than a dead terrorist.
I am not Muslim. But – in an attempt to minimize the wave of anti-Muslim violence which may unleashed, people might want to note that Tamerlan looked more like a Westernized hustler than a devout Muslim:
(that’s his Mercedes in the background).
And Dzhokhar looks somewhat Westernized as well:
He is allegedly a pothead. 2 days after the Boston terrorist attack, he worked out in the gym and went to a college party.
Similarly, the 9/11 hijackers used cocaine and drank alcohol, slept with prostitutes and attended strip clubs … but they did not worship at any mosque. See this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, and this. Hardly the acts of devout Muslims.
More importantly, Muslim scholars tell me that Islam prohibits the killing of innocent civilians. So terrorists are not true Muslims. Those claiming they are committing terrorist acts as Muslims are as credible as the Norwegian murderer or Timothy McVeigh trying to say they were following Christians values.
As we’ve previously noted:
If we ban mosques because some Muslims are murderers, we should also ban churches because Timothy McVeigh was a Christian.
Indeed, we should also ban synagogues because some Jews commit terrorism (see second bulleted paragraph).
Of course, anyone who sees their religion as the “good guys” and the other guy’s religion as “evil” is living in a cartoon.
As Christian writer and psychiatrist M. Scott Peck explained, there are different stages of spiritual maturity. Fundamentalism – whether it be Muslim, Christian, Jewish or Hindu fundamentalism – is an immature stage of development.
[Remember that Adolph Hitler professed to be a Christian, and churches in Nazi Germany mainly supported Adolph Hitler's unjust fascist policies. And Christian, Jewish and Muslim governments all carry out terror against their own people ... and then try to blame it on the other guy.
There are peaceful, contemplative Muslim sects - think the poet Rumi the poet and Sufis - and violent sects, just as there are contemplative Christian orders and violent Christian sects. ]
Indeed, a Christian fundamentalist who kills others in the name of religion is much more similar to a Muslim fundamentalist who kills other in the name of his religion than to a Christian who peacefully fights for justice and truth, helps the poor, or serves to bring hope to the downtrodden.
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The war on terror is largely a religious war. [Just today, a new report shows that the Air Force uses Christian and Old Testament teachings to justify the launch of nuclear weapons.]
As I pointed out in January:
ABC News is reporting that U.S. military weapons are inscribed with secret ‘Jesus’ Bible codes [the military subsequently endorsed this practice]
Conservative Christians were the biggest backers of the Iraq war …
One of the top Pentagon officials involved in the Iraq war – General William Boykin – literally:
Sees the “war on terror” as a religious war between Judeo-Christian civilization and Satan, with Islam of course cast in the latter role.
Jeremy Scahill describes Boykin as:
A Deputy Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence under Bush. Boykin was part of Donald Rumsfeld’s inner circle at the Pentagon where he was placed in charge of hunting “high-value targets.” Boykin was one of the key U.S. officials in establishing what critics alleged was death-squad-type activity in Iraq.
Boykin’s crusade is also important because one of his assigned jobs was:
Speeding up the flow of intelligence on terrorist leaders to combat teams in the field so that they can attack top-ranking terrorist leaders. It can easily be speculated that it is this urgency to obtain intelligence, and an uncompromising religious outlook backed by a [crusader] mentality, that has led to the lower echelons in the US military to adopt Saddam Hussein-like brutalities.
Moreover, the U.S. military has just been busted trying to convert Afghanis to Christianity (the same thing happened in Iraq).
As Scahill notes:
What’s more, the center of this evangelical operation is at the huge US base at Bagram, one of the main sites used by the US military to torture and indefinitely detain prisoners.
The bottom line is that – while torture was ordered by the highest level Bush administration officials in order to create a false link between 9/11 and Iraq – it seems like many of those who enthusiastically rallied around torture looked at it, literally, as a religious crusade.
As I wrote in 2009:
According to French President Chirac, Bush told him that the Iraq war was needed to bring on the apocalypse:
In Genesis and Ezekiel Gog and Magog are forces of the Apocalypse who are prophesied to come out of the north and destroy Israel unless stopped. The Book of Revelation took up the Old Testament prophesy:
“And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.”
Bush believed the time had now come for that battle, telling Chirac:
“This confrontation is willed by God, who wants to use this conflict to erase his people’s enemies before a New Age begins”…
There can be little doubt now that President Bush’s reason for launching the war in Iraq was, for him, fundamentally religious. He was driven by his belief that the attack on Saddam’s Iraq was the fulfilment of a Biblical prophesy in which he had been chosen to serve as the instrument of the Lord.
And British Prime Minister Tony Blair long-time mentor, advisor and confidante said:
“Tony’s Christian faith is part of him, down to his cotton socks. He believed strongly at the time, that intervention in Kosovo, Sierra Leone – Iraq too – was all part of the Christian battle; good should triumph over evil, making lives better.”
Mr Burton, who was often described as Mr Blair’s mentor, says that his religion gave him a “total belief in what’s right and what’s wrong”, leading him to see the so-called War on Terror as “a moral cause”…
Anti-war campaigners criticised remarks Mr Blair made in 2006, suggesting that the decision to go to war in Iraq would ultimately be judged by God.
Given that the Iraq war really was a crusade, the fact that the Pentagon is now saying that it may have to leave troops in Iraq for another decade shows that the crusade is still ongoing under Obama.
Indeed, churchgoers are more likely to back torture of suspected terrorists than atheists (and see this), and torture is apparently still continuing under the Obama administration.
As we noted in 2010, Arab terrorists are not actually motivated by religion at all:
University of Chicago professor Robert A. Pape – who specializes in international security affairs – points out:
Extensive research into the causes of suicide terrorism proves Islam isn’t to blame — the root of the problem is foreign military occupations.
Wait, what? That can’t be right!
But as Pape explains:
Each month, there are more suicide terrorists trying to kill Americans and their allies in Afghanistan, Iraq, and other Muslim countries than in all the years before 2001 combined.***
New research provides strong evidence that suicide terrorism such as that of 9/11 is particularly sensitive to foreign military occupation, and not Islamic fundamentalism or any ideology independent of this crucial circumstance. Although this pattern began to emerge in the 1980s and 1990s, a wealth of new data presents a powerful picture.
More than 95 percent of all suicide attacks are in response to foreign occupation, according to extensive research [co-authored by James K. Feldman - former professor of decision analysis and economics at the Air Force Institute of Technology and the School of Advanced Airpower Studies] that we conducted at the University of Chicago’s Project on Security and Terrorism, where we examined every one of the over 2,200 suicide attacks across the world from 1980 to the present day. As the United States has occupied Afghanistan and Iraq, which have a combined population of about 60 million, total suicide attacks worldwide have risen dramatically — from about 300 from 1980 to 2003, to 1,800 from 2004 to 2009. Further, over 90 percent of suicide attacks worldwide are now anti-American. The vast majority of suicide terrorists hail from the local region threatened by foreign troops, which is why 90 percent of suicide attackers in Afghanistan are Afghans.
Israelis have their own narrative about terrorism, which holds that Arab fanatics seek to destroy the Jewish state because of what it is, not what it does. But since Israel withdrew its army from Lebanon in May 2000, there has not been a single Lebanese suicide attack. Similarly, since Israel withdrew from Gaza and large parts of the West Bank, Palestinian suicide attacks are down over 90 percent.
Some have disputed the causal link between foreign occupation and suicide terrorism, pointing out that some occupations by foreign powers have not resulted in suicide bombings — for example, critics often cite post-World War II Japan and Germany. Our research provides sufficient evidence to address these criticisms by outlining the two factors that determine the likelihood of suicide terrorism being employed against an occupying force.
The first factor is social distance between the occupier and occupied. The wider the social distance, the more the occupied community may fear losing its way of life. Although other differences may matter, research shows that resistance to occupations is especially likely to escalate to suicide terrorism when there is a difference between the predominant religion of the occupier and the predominant religion of the occupied.
Religious difference matters not because some religions are predisposed to suicide attacks. Indeed, there are religious differences even in purely secular suicide attack campaigns, such as the LTTE (Hindu) against the Sinhalese (Buddhists).
Rather, religious difference matters because it enables terrorist leaders to claim that the occupier is motivated by a religious agenda that can scare both secular and religious members of a local community — this is why Osama bin Laden never misses an opportunity to describe U.S. occupiers as “crusaders” motivated by a Christian agenda to convert Muslims, steal their resources, and change the local population’s way of life.
The second factor is prior rebellion. Suicide terrorism is typically a strategy of last resort, often used by weak actors when other, non-suicidal methods of resistance to occupation fail. This is why we see suicide attack campaigns so often evolve from ordinary terrorist or guerrilla campaigns, as in the cases of Israel and Palestine, the Kurdish rebellion in Turkey, or the LTTE in Sri Lanka.
One of the most important findings from our research is that empowering local groups can reduce suicide terrorism. In Iraq, the surge’s success was not the result of increased U.S. military control of Anbar province, but the empowerment of Sunni tribes, commonly called the Anbar Awakening, which enabled Iraqis to provide for their own security. On the other hand, taking power away from local groups can escalate suicide terrorism. In Afghanistan, U.S. and Western forces began to exert more control over the country’s Pashtun regions starting in early 2006, and suicide attacks dramatically escalated from this point on.
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The first step is recognizing that occupations in the Muslim world don’t make Americans any safer — in fact, they are at the heart of the problem.
But surely Pape and his team of University of Chicago researchers are wrong. Surely other security experts disagree, right?
No.
The top security experts – conservative hawks and liberal doves alike – agree that waging war in the Middle East weakens national security and increases terrorism. See this, this, this, this, this and this.
As one of the top counter-terrorism experts (the former number 2 counter-terrorism expert at the State Department) told me, starting wars against states which do not pose an imminent threat to America’s national security increases the threat of terrorism because:
One of the principal causes of terrorism is injuries to people and families.
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And its not only war in general as an abstract concept. The methods we’re using to wage war are increasing terrorism.
As one example, torture reduces our national security and creates new terrorists.
Unfortunately, we are continuing to indiscriminately kill civilians using drone strikes, and we are continuing to torture innocent people (see this, this, this, and this).
This is not a question of being a “Muslim-sympathizer”. I am not a Muslim …. This isn’t about religion at all.
Its all about being practical in protecting our national security.
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Yes, I know. I've heard it a hundred times.
It's "The Religion Of "Piece(s)"
Now....go fuck yourselves you effeminate apologists.
Sí, tienes razón, viejo. Mira esto: "The object of jihad is to bring the whole world under Islamic law."
Bernard Lewis - The Middle East: A Brief History of the Last 2,000 Years (page 234)
The C-O-E-X-I-S-T faction would like to think of jihad as some sort of community improvement project or whatnot, but these people are playing for keeps. They have a game plan and they are sticking to it.
A lot of liberals can only see the trees (separate criminal acts that happen to be committed by people who just happen to be moslem), but there is a whole forest to see, too.
Bernard Lewis.
Let a thousand sionist shills bloom.
Yu foolin nobody shillboy...los que saben no saben.
Be careful not to let your hatred of Jews blind you to history and fall for the genetic fallacy. Even if Hitler or Obama say that 2 + 2 = 4, you have to accept it as true even though you may not like either one of them, or else you're a complete idiot...lo que parece ser el caso.
Danny!
The ol "hatred of jews" trick! And I almost fell for it...
but then I remembered...so when did you stop beating your wife - that's a similar tricky tactic. Phew!
Bud, 'hatred of jews' isn't on the menu here...unless a sionist troll wants to write it in!
Chingate maricon!
y tu madre pendejo!
George, I do agree with you about violence in general it's all bad. On the other hand I have news for you, Islam is not simply a religion it is a way of life. It is just as much a political system as a religion. If you don't believe that then look at the Muslim countries in the world as time evolves there seems to be no significant religious competition. Is this by accident or design? I'm not a religious guy although I don't believe that humans are the greatest thing in the universe either. There very well might be a God like force guiding everything. I did some research on Islam and came to the conclusion that in the long run that Islam and western culture cannot survive on the same planet in peace. This conflict is going on now. I still believe that in the short run we can still live in relative peace but only if we take the time as a society to honestly understand the long term goals of Islam and we need to have a fire wall in place to coexist. Personnally I think that the grand jihad that Osama engineered is working beautifully. He wanted to strangle us financially and that is what he is doing. A couple of guys here and there with pressure cookers or $15 dollar road side bombs seem to get us into full scale war or lock down mode. The Islamists won the war in Afghanistan. The Iranians benefited most from our invasion of Iraq (Shite goverment in place). Do the people in other countries lock down entire cities when they get droned? No, they go on with life as well as they can. As Americans we could go a long way for the cause of peace by making the gesture of getting our military out of all Muslim countries. That is what Osama was after and that would end much of the Islamic terrorisim. This is because in the Koran God orders all good Muslims must fight the invaders and that is exactly what they are doing now. If anyone would like to get a good look at what Islam is about I recommend this book;
http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2008/12/abridged-koran.html
I think it's a terrible post by saying McVeigh was a Christian. There is no evidence McVeigh bombed the federal building for religious reasons and absolutely no proof that he ever attended church or was a fundamentalist or evangelical. In fact, McVeigh was born a Catholic and was an agnostic by the time of the bombing. His motivation was purely political, revenge against the ATF and FBI. He wasn't waging a jihad against the American people. If anything you should be attacking atheists for the Oklahoma City bombing.
I haven't heard a any Christians wanting to start a nuclear war, much less millions of them. It's a bit of a stretch to say that defending Israel means you want to start a nuclear war and end the world.
As far as Hitler being a Christian, that's a bunch of bullsnit. Hitler did not attend church and only invoked religion to attack Jews. It is a well-known fact that the Nazi elite were into the occult and twisted Christianity by having children pray to Hitler as the Messiah, much like children today are taught that Obama is the Messiah. WWII was about race/ethnicity, not religion. The Germans attacked Christian European countries like Poland and France. If it was a religious war, they would have attacked the Middle East.
GW is grasping at straws and making a fool out of himself trying to defend Muslims against imaginary attacks. As someone else posted, nothing significant happened after the WTC and 2000+ deaths, so why would people suddenly start lynching Muslims en masse because of 3 deaths?
Compelling argument...
until one cogitates upon the insignificance of a massive rain of death and destruction pon Muslims societies that began with Iraq and has proceeded through Libya and now Syria...
all in the service of, err, what was it all about agin???
Nuthin significant huh>...your scale of values says all that needs be said about how the West has made itself an enemy of all the rest of mankind.
JOYFUL
You are exactly right. Get the hell out of the Middle East and let Muslims go about doing what they do best- killing each other.
see my response below..3479730 -
workin my way north on this thread...but it's gonna take a while to get caught up to all yu fine folks what wanna rain real death n destruction onto east & west.
You need to produce some evidence for some of your claims.
You sound like one of the 75 Percenters (dumbed-down Americans).
QOTD: "Let me ask you a question, again based on my observation in recent years. If you, listening to this program, are a Muslim, and it turns out that a Muslim did bomb the Boston Marathon, how d you feel? I daresay that if you are a Muslim, you can be pretty certain, you can rest assured, that everybody in the media will circle the wagons and say that this is not because of Islam. This is a lone bad actor – lone wolf – but this in no way say anything about Islam, it’s just a lone nut, and they will remind us that the vast majority of people denounce this kind of violence.
So if you’re a Muslim, and it turns out to be a Muslim bomber, you will be in no way associated with it. Which is fair. However, folks, if you are a conservative, and it turns out that whoever did this is either real or has an imagined connection to conservatives, everyone in the media will unite to denounce your whole group. Crazy extremists. Everybody thought to be in that guys group will be targeted. And believe me, that’s what they are all hoping for." --Rush Limbaugh
msm no upset their voter base... msm do demoralize their opposition.
One observation.
When Muslims are about to sacrifice themselves to Allah, they shave their body hair.
If you have seen pictures of the older brother at the morgue, his chest is cleanly shaved.
Could be he was simply metro sexual, but that does not jibe with his comments about decadence in America.
yaaaaaa. My son has no hair on his chest. Maybe he's fucking terrorist. Maybe I should turn him in....American, Fuck ya!!
Maybe your son is gay or a Muslim who is about to blow himself up?
Maybe he's a gay Muslim who is about to blow himself up?
You should probably spend more time with your kid.
Play catch or something.
You're not too bright are ya?
I talk about decadence in America all the time. I also point out the Governement Terrorists all the time. I talks about the 75 Percenters (the number of dumbed down Americans). I talk about how rotten this nation has gotten. I talk about how the Constitution and basic rights are trashed.
Does that make me a terrorist?
You American Psycho.. (one of the 75 percenters).
First, his chest wasn't cleanly shaved. How on earth do you get he shaved his chest? What the hell do you think all that black stuff is between his nipples? Further, you can see all the hair on his arms. Wow, he sure was shaving his body!
Second, last I checked he didn't sacrifie himself unless you call walking away from the bomb you placed sacrificing yourself and then trying to evade capture. Neither did his brother.
Good reach though. Anything I guess to make those Muslims who allegedly commit crimes seem to be kooks and make the religion look evil.
Zero Hedge needs a delete button for accidental double posts.
or a simply a mechanism that prevents a user from posting more than once every x seconds...
Yes, to us regular folks it should be about protecting us and about national security. But to TPTB it's not about that, even though they say it is. It's always been about money and power to them. To have control over the natural resources of others, while labeling any resistance as terrorism, from which we surely must be protected. Of course these elites will ultimately need to be protected from Americans too, when we finally wake up and say enough is enough. The installation of the US police is ample proof of what these people see on the horizon.
I think this is an excellent post, however most Americans won't read it or many, if they did would promptly forget it.
I remember as a kid in Canada, a young fellow my age came to visit. He was from Texas. He bragged about hanging "niggers" from light poles. I was about 12 or 13 and I was totally disgusted and chose not to be in his presence. Funny thing about it is, even the KKK usess scripture to back them up.
The Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists and Atheists I know are for the most part decent people who I wouldn't think would take part in senseless evil. Yet, at times I am surprised that some of them "slip" and discover they too would condone murder, for no other cause except they were told it was OK by some religious leader or .gov.
I think it's a terrible post by saying McVeigh was a Christian. There is no evidence McVeigh bombed the federal building for religious reasons. His motivation was purely political. He wasn't waging a jihad against the ATF.
I haven't heard a any Christians wanting to start a nuclear war, much less millions of them.
GW is grasping at straws and making a fool out of himself trying to defend Muslims against imaginary attacks. As someone else posted, nothing significant happened after the WTC and 2000+ deaths, so why would people suddenly start lynching Muslims en masse because of 3 deaths?
Have you ever heard about Harry S. Truman? He was a Southern Baptist. Don't they claim to be Christians? He started the first and only, so far, nuclear war.
Obama, Sarah Palin and Hillary Clinton are so called Christians.
Hillary, when campaining for President declared the US could "Obliterate" Iran. http://www.reuters.com/article/2008/04/22/us-usa-politics-iran-idUSN2224...
Obama has a kill list of "suspects"
Sarah Palin carries a gun in one hand and a bible in the other.
I never heard of Jesus carrying a weapon, have you?
I think people in "America" have generally tired of thinking
critically and prefer to sniff their own farts while enjoying
images of blood in the streets, all out of insane frustration
and incoherent circumstances. cognitive chaos and dissonance
rule our collapsing structures and methods, unavoidable.
I think it helps to recognize it for the dissolving and illusory
dream/nightmare that it is. maybe not?
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if we refuse to initiated a sounder beginning and structure
the laws of nature will force the issue upon us all in its
own profound, sad and beautiful way. so it goes
I just ripped a nice one...
Fuck muslims in the ass with a spiked dildo.
No, I would prefer using left over pork bones. Why would you waste a good spiked dildo on these MFs?
Twice huh?
Is that a serious cry for help? When they said you sionist satanists were weird, they weren't sayin the half of it!
Nope, once for each of the beautiful women whose lives were cut short by these Muslim cowards.
Didn't want to taint the innocent soul of the boy.
JOYFUL
Is it possible in that large cranium of yours to conceive of the concept that both Zionism and Islamism are equally retrograde for mankind ? I don't want to be a slave to man-made or god-induced tyranny.
A pox on both their houses !
No, I would prefer using left over pork bones. Why would you waste a good spiked dildo on these MFs?
sounds like somethin a lib would say: always thinkin we can't control our urges, that we are all evil by nature. see, they know no God and thus think just like a muslim, that usa can't control themselves. that's why libs think we need all these laws controlling us, they don't believe we can be governed by natural God given law rooted in free will,etc.
I don't know if it has to do with religion, but most libs do want a nanny police state and do seem to enjoy the suffering of others who are not of a protected group
I need no fear of hell nor greed for heaven to make me act with honesty and respect, those stories are for children.
know it or not, God made you inately good and wants you to be happy, that's a good story for all ages, all races, faiths, creeds, species, genitalia, etc.
God made you inately good and wants you to be happy!
That's nice. High-5 God for me. Cause I don't think that Jesus Caddy is gonna let us by...
CC: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4vPoyL8njU
RM: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4MCLVMX74s
Studio: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDbON8udTPo
that tune made me happy. thankfully i'm worthless at theological discusions, all i will say is as i want to be left alone, i too will leave you alone.
Hey man, nobody's alone. We're all on this cold food, warm beer, shitty entertainment planet together.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9gmFRr30Hk&list=PL6839976788E35A05
And there's a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, your empty platitudes may work on your kids but please its a fairy story that has had a negative impact on the development of the human race, superstition is not a rational substitute for the rule of law.
Nothing personal, its just hard to take people seriously when they keep introducing me to their invisible friend called Gandalf.
There was a time when religion/superstition ruled the world, its called the dark ages for a reason.
the rule of law.
You were singing to the choir up until invoking the rule of law. We are suffocated by the rule of law. I don't now how to limit this cancer, but manmade laws are there to herd the sheep just as religion is.
It is a conundrum, the curse of man.
no down arrow from me, i will respect your thoughts and beliefs, forever and ever, AMEN.
So which of the angry gods in the sky shall I choose ?
People are innately good, though a little bit of nasty lurks in the heart of everyone. With or without a God.
I gave him a +1. I figured, what the hell.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEKuGcmW70I
May you be touched by his noodly appendage.
Ramen
http://www.venganza.org/
EDIT:No down arrow from me either.
like i like the hand of my economics, i like my God, invisible.