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Please Don’t Kill Everyone Who “Looks Muslim” Just Because the Boston Terrorists Were Allegedly Muslim
Without going down any rabbit holes about who carried out the Boston bombings (you can go down some here if you'd like) - or bringing up previous Chechen terrorist frame-ups (by the Russians) - I'd like to take one contrarian view ...
Maybe we shouldn't "kill all Muslims" just because the Boston terrorists appear to be Chechen Muslims.
Specifically - after 9/11 - Americans murdered a number of people because they “looked Muslim” … even though they were actually from a completely different religion.
Yesterday, a Muslim woman with an infant was attacked by someone blaming Muslims for the Boston terrorist attacks.
There is also a remote possibility that rogue fundamentalist Christian military personnel could start a nuclear war against Muslim nations.
Many are writing that the Boston bombers – Chechen brothers Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev – were devout Muslims.
If they were - in fact - the Boston bombers, then we are all for taking them out by any means necessary. And we have no hesitation in giving them the death penalty if they are convicted in a court of law.
However, we congratulate the FBI for taking terrorist # 2 alive (here's an actual photo of his capture).
After all, we can gain much more valuable intelligence from a terrorist in custody than a dead terrorist.
I am not Muslim. But – in an attempt to minimize the wave of anti-Muslim violence which may unleashed, people might want to note that Tamerlan looked more like a Westernized hustler than a devout Muslim:
(that’s his Mercedes in the background).
And Dzhokhar looks somewhat Westernized as well:
He is allegedly a pothead. 2 days after the Boston terrorist attack, he worked out in the gym and went to a college party.
Similarly, the 9/11 hijackers used cocaine and drank alcohol, slept with prostitutes and attended strip clubs … but they did not worship at any mosque. See this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, and this. Hardly the acts of devout Muslims.
More importantly, Muslim scholars tell me that Islam prohibits the killing of innocent civilians. So terrorists are not true Muslims. Those claiming they are committing terrorist acts as Muslims are as credible as the Norwegian murderer or Timothy McVeigh trying to say they were following Christians values.
As we’ve previously noted:
If we ban mosques because some Muslims are murderers, we should also ban churches because Timothy McVeigh was a Christian.
Indeed, we should also ban synagogues because some Jews commit terrorism (see second bulleted paragraph).
Of course, anyone who sees their religion as the “good guys” and the other guy’s religion as “evil” is living in a cartoon.
As Christian writer and psychiatrist M. Scott Peck explained, there are different stages of spiritual maturity. Fundamentalism – whether it be Muslim, Christian, Jewish or Hindu fundamentalism – is an immature stage of development.
[Remember that Adolph Hitler professed to be a Christian, and churches in Nazi Germany mainly supported Adolph Hitler's unjust fascist policies. And Christian, Jewish and Muslim governments all carry out terror against their own people ... and then try to blame it on the other guy.
There are peaceful, contemplative Muslim sects - think the poet Rumi the poet and Sufis - and violent sects, just as there are contemplative Christian orders and violent Christian sects. ]
Indeed, a Christian fundamentalist who kills others in the name of religion is much more similar to a Muslim fundamentalist who kills other in the name of his religion than to a Christian who peacefully fights for justice and truth, helps the poor, or serves to bring hope to the downtrodden.
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The war on terror is largely a religious war. [Just today, a new report shows that the Air Force uses Christian and Old Testament teachings to justify the launch of nuclear weapons.]
As I pointed out in January:
ABC News is reporting that U.S. military weapons are inscribed with secret ‘Jesus’ Bible codes [the military subsequently endorsed this practice]
Conservative Christians were the biggest backers of the Iraq war …
One of the top Pentagon officials involved in the Iraq war – General William Boykin – literally:
Sees the “war on terror” as a religious war between Judeo-Christian civilization and Satan, with Islam of course cast in the latter role.
Jeremy Scahill describes Boykin as:
A Deputy Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence under Bush. Boykin was part of Donald Rumsfeld’s inner circle at the Pentagon where he was placed in charge of hunting “high-value targets.” Boykin was one of the key U.S. officials in establishing what critics alleged was death-squad-type activity in Iraq.
Boykin’s crusade is also important because one of his assigned jobs was:
Speeding up the flow of intelligence on terrorist leaders to combat teams in the field so that they can attack top-ranking terrorist leaders. It can easily be speculated that it is this urgency to obtain intelligence, and an uncompromising religious outlook backed by a [crusader] mentality, that has led to the lower echelons in the US military to adopt Saddam Hussein-like brutalities.
Moreover, the U.S. military has just been busted trying to convert Afghanis to Christianity (the same thing happened in Iraq).
As Scahill notes:
What’s more, the center of this evangelical operation is at the huge US base at Bagram, one of the main sites used by the US military to torture and indefinitely detain prisoners.
The bottom line is that – while torture was ordered by the highest level Bush administration officials in order to create a false link between 9/11 and Iraq – it seems like many of those who enthusiastically rallied around torture looked at it, literally, as a religious crusade.
As I wrote in 2009:
According to French President Chirac, Bush told him that the Iraq war was needed to bring on the apocalypse:
In Genesis and Ezekiel Gog and Magog are forces of the Apocalypse who are prophesied to come out of the north and destroy Israel unless stopped. The Book of Revelation took up the Old Testament prophesy:
“And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.”
Bush believed the time had now come for that battle, telling Chirac:
“This confrontation is willed by God, who wants to use this conflict to erase his people’s enemies before a New Age begins”…
There can be little doubt now that President Bush’s reason for launching the war in Iraq was, for him, fundamentally religious. He was driven by his belief that the attack on Saddam’s Iraq was the fulfilment of a Biblical prophesy in which he had been chosen to serve as the instrument of the Lord.
And British Prime Minister Tony Blair long-time mentor, advisor and confidante said:
“Tony’s Christian faith is part of him, down to his cotton socks. He believed strongly at the time, that intervention in Kosovo, Sierra Leone – Iraq too – was all part of the Christian battle; good should triumph over evil, making lives better.”
Mr Burton, who was often described as Mr Blair’s mentor, says that his religion gave him a “total belief in what’s right and what’s wrong”, leading him to see the so-called War on Terror as “a moral cause”…
Anti-war campaigners criticised remarks Mr Blair made in 2006, suggesting that the decision to go to war in Iraq would ultimately be judged by God.
Given that the Iraq war really was a crusade, the fact that the Pentagon is now saying that it may have to leave troops in Iraq for another decade shows that the crusade is still ongoing under Obama.
Indeed, churchgoers are more likely to back torture of suspected terrorists than atheists (and see this), and torture is apparently still continuing under the Obama administration.
As we noted in 2010, Arab terrorists are not actually motivated by religion at all:
University of Chicago professor Robert A. Pape – who specializes in international security affairs – points out:
Extensive research into the causes of suicide terrorism proves Islam isn’t to blame — the root of the problem is foreign military occupations.
Wait, what? That can’t be right!
But as Pape explains:
Each month, there are more suicide terrorists trying to kill Americans and their allies in Afghanistan, Iraq, and other Muslim countries than in all the years before 2001 combined.***
New research provides strong evidence that suicide terrorism such as that of 9/11 is particularly sensitive to foreign military occupation, and not Islamic fundamentalism or any ideology independent of this crucial circumstance. Although this pattern began to emerge in the 1980s and 1990s, a wealth of new data presents a powerful picture.
More than 95 percent of all suicide attacks are in response to foreign occupation, according to extensive research [co-authored by James K. Feldman - former professor of decision analysis and economics at the Air Force Institute of Technology and the School of Advanced Airpower Studies] that we conducted at the University of Chicago’s Project on Security and Terrorism, where we examined every one of the over 2,200 suicide attacks across the world from 1980 to the present day. As the United States has occupied Afghanistan and Iraq, which have a combined population of about 60 million, total suicide attacks worldwide have risen dramatically — from about 300 from 1980 to 2003, to 1,800 from 2004 to 2009. Further, over 90 percent of suicide attacks worldwide are now anti-American. The vast majority of suicide terrorists hail from the local region threatened by foreign troops, which is why 90 percent of suicide attackers in Afghanistan are Afghans.
Israelis have their own narrative about terrorism, which holds that Arab fanatics seek to destroy the Jewish state because of what it is, not what it does. But since Israel withdrew its army from Lebanon in May 2000, there has not been a single Lebanese suicide attack. Similarly, since Israel withdrew from Gaza and large parts of the West Bank, Palestinian suicide attacks are down over 90 percent.
Some have disputed the causal link between foreign occupation and suicide terrorism, pointing out that some occupations by foreign powers have not resulted in suicide bombings — for example, critics often cite post-World War II Japan and Germany. Our research provides sufficient evidence to address these criticisms by outlining the two factors that determine the likelihood of suicide terrorism being employed against an occupying force.
The first factor is social distance between the occupier and occupied. The wider the social distance, the more the occupied community may fear losing its way of life. Although other differences may matter, research shows that resistance to occupations is especially likely to escalate to suicide terrorism when there is a difference between the predominant religion of the occupier and the predominant religion of the occupied.
Religious difference matters not because some religions are predisposed to suicide attacks. Indeed, there are religious differences even in purely secular suicide attack campaigns, such as the LTTE (Hindu) against the Sinhalese (Buddhists).
Rather, religious difference matters because it enables terrorist leaders to claim that the occupier is motivated by a religious agenda that can scare both secular and religious members of a local community — this is why Osama bin Laden never misses an opportunity to describe U.S. occupiers as “crusaders” motivated by a Christian agenda to convert Muslims, steal their resources, and change the local population’s way of life.
The second factor is prior rebellion. Suicide terrorism is typically a strategy of last resort, often used by weak actors when other, non-suicidal methods of resistance to occupation fail. This is why we see suicide attack campaigns so often evolve from ordinary terrorist or guerrilla campaigns, as in the cases of Israel and Palestine, the Kurdish rebellion in Turkey, or the LTTE in Sri Lanka.
One of the most important findings from our research is that empowering local groups can reduce suicide terrorism. In Iraq, the surge’s success was not the result of increased U.S. military control of Anbar province, but the empowerment of Sunni tribes, commonly called the Anbar Awakening, which enabled Iraqis to provide for their own security. On the other hand, taking power away from local groups can escalate suicide terrorism. In Afghanistan, U.S. and Western forces began to exert more control over the country’s Pashtun regions starting in early 2006, and suicide attacks dramatically escalated from this point on.
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The first step is recognizing that occupations in the Muslim world don’t make Americans any safer — in fact, they are at the heart of the problem.
But surely Pape and his team of University of Chicago researchers are wrong. Surely other security experts disagree, right?
No.
The top security experts – conservative hawks and liberal doves alike – agree that waging war in the Middle East weakens national security and increases terrorism. See this, this, this, this, this and this.
As one of the top counter-terrorism experts (the former number 2 counter-terrorism expert at the State Department) told me, starting wars against states which do not pose an imminent threat to America’s national security increases the threat of terrorism because:
One of the principal causes of terrorism is injuries to people and families.
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And its not only war in general as an abstract concept. The methods we’re using to wage war are increasing terrorism.
As one example, torture reduces our national security and creates new terrorists.
Unfortunately, we are continuing to indiscriminately kill civilians using drone strikes, and we are continuing to torture innocent people (see this, this, this, and this).
This is not a question of being a “Muslim-sympathizer”. I am not a Muslim …. This isn’t about religion at all.
Its all about being practical in protecting our national security.
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imagine if this dynamic took hold in the various security apparatus'
around the world. oh wait ....
I read somewhere recently that Iceland, the country that handled their banking crisis the right way, prosecuted bankers and that some of them are actually in jail.
I also read recently that the unemployment rate in Iceland is now around 6.5%.
The unemployment rate in Spain and Greece? Around 26%.
Need I say more?
mixing religion and politics has been the sin of Abrahamic society since the catholic church was created by a roman emperor.
The moslems went down that road as well bigtime from 600-1700 and then saw it boomerang as they went into total limbo.
For the modern nation state to regress to the level of arab monarchies today would be negation of civilization; which has already begun in Europe since 1914 and which is now recurrently on the Us agenda since 1949...when the CIA was created.
What Japan and colonial/fascist/totalitarian europe did is now going potentailly and dangerously viral in this meltdown of capitalism.
If the US scene degenerates into social regression, where all forms of populism and regressionary rage become front page, then we have no continent which stays reference; other than the Antarctic, now melting fast as well.
Will the penguins take over the world as new enlightened species?
Or will we resuscitate the Mayas?
I for one welcome our new penguin overlords.
I'm not saying I agree with any of this, but it is interesting that The Book of Enoch predates the Bible yet contains many of the same myths. The most notable of which is the myth of Abraham and his progeny:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wygjv223xIA
What a stupid article. GW should shoot himself. 97% of terror is perpetuated by Muslims who now can look like almost anybody since they have recruited blacks, whites, orientals, etc. It's not Muslims who are inherently evil (although true Muslims believe all non-Muslims are evil infidels and second class citizens), it's the 10% or so who are "true believers" in Shariah law and the imams who interpret it. That's only about 150,000,000 of them, so, not to worry.
What a co-incidence!
With 96% of the western media controlled by 6 sionist corporations, it's turns out that 97% of all terror is perpetuated by....Muzzies!
And worst of all....
they can look like anybody! "True" Muslims don't believe any of the crap that you are spewing about them in the service of sion...
but if genius such as this be a yardstick for intelligence in the West, they might truly be excused for believing we are truly nuts!
"97% of terror is perpetuated by Muslims"
Any evidence that is true? It appears to me that it is more accurate to state that the overwhelming majority of terrorist acts are commited by Mossad, CIA/DHS and MI5/6.
So-called Christians kill an order of magnitude more people than Muslims do. Ever hear of WWI or II or any of the other many wars that the Anglo-Americans have been involved in?
I didn't know Mossad were Christians and just because someone is white or in the CIA or MI6 does not mean they are Christian.
Where did I say Mossad were Christians?
My claim was that self-proclaimed Christians are responsible for more mass killings in the last few hundred years than any other group. They do their killing "for God and country" -- both sides.
brainwashed zombies called muslims are retrograde to humanati.
All law enforcement has proven themselves to be less than the "saviors" that we are supposed to believe in. There are so many stories that eventually come out demonstrating entrapment at best, and actual perpetuation at worst by government agencies.
I do not believe anything related to the guilt of the two boys being dished out by the media in compliance with law enforcement. Have we seen films of these two actually setting off the bombs? Have we been given definite evidence that these two should be (as the are) convicted?
What of the mother's information that the older boy was investigated by the FBI? From what I have seen, the police and law enforcment spies on and surveils the muslim communities perpetually.
It seems very convenient that these two targeted suspects are muslim, non arab, and from a country not known to US citizens. From the photos being shown, they weren't TOO MUSLIM as they dress and act like normal US kids and participated completely in US society. The older boy wasn't even married to a muslim.
It is hard not to view this incident with skepticism. What of the loudspeaker announcements before the race indicating a mock up bomb situation? What of the bomb sniffing dogs? What of the facts that the Watertown murder was NOT commited by these two but a 7 11 robber? What of the reality that these two were running around throwing pressure cooker filled bombs at police?
There are many unanswered issues that will be quickly buried.
I stand with CogDis; disbelieving this whole contrivance.
they weren't TOO MUSLIM as they dress and act like normal US kids.
How can their dress determine their "Muslimness"
The older boy wasn't even married to a muslim.
It is reported that his wife/girlfriend did convert to Islam.
These women have to be nutty in the head to convert. I have yet to hear of a successful marriage between a Muslim and non-Muslim female.
All good questions.
Add to them the reports of numerous other bombs found, that didn't explode, but were evidently defused.
Muslim Americans voted for the Obowel Movement 90%.
A perfectly good reason to attack them if you ask me, same with naggers and homos.
They are the enemies of the U.S. Constitution
Solid points Ted...
can't argue with any of that well laid out argument.
Muslims need to be exterminated.
I work with plenty, and none have ever spoken out against Muslim terrorists.
There is a secret pride that the Infidels are getting what they deserve. The Koran gives free license to murdering Infidels.
And the few Muslims that understand that the Koran is largely parables, not the word of Allah, fear they will be targeted by the bloodlust set, if they speak out. After all, Muslims kill more Muslims than Infidels.
I don't believe in any of the Fairy Tale Medieval bullshit purporting to be the word of some scary Monotheiestic God- Allah. Read Salman Rushdie.
I am an Infidel and proud of it.
there's another tribe that takes pride in similar ideology
do not the talmudian and luciferian jews take secret pride in stealing from and killing goyim?
You hit the key word "tribe". Set up a set of rules to exclude "outsiders". A pox on all their houses.
And for what its worth, any religion requiring animal sacrifices always seems to me to be not far removed from swinging from the vines.
You seem to have a very 'scholarly' and first hand knowledge of Islam, and Muslim culture...
and a willingness to share your insights.
Since, by inference, you are the superior Muslim scholar, pray tell, how Islam came into fruition? And, naturally, leave aside the murderous invasion of all of Mohamed's neighbors.
I despise anyone who tries to justify murdering their neighbor by invoking the Big, Angry Guy-In-The-Sky.
Elucidate, please.
i wanted to give you a +0.5 just for your last line, but it rounded up to 1. they do mostly stand up for their own no matter how vile.
interesting
just like the clueless jews who junk and rile against anybody who identifies hofjuden as the perpetrators of financial crimes against humanity, the criminals behind central banks, the thiefs running the scam called fractional reserve banking, the money changers that make debt slaves out of unsuspecting victims of usury, the psychopaths that instigate wars to enrich themselves at the expense of innocent victims, the vultures that benefit from spoils of wars. That type of "stand up for their own"? so, i guess by your statement, it goes to show that jooz stand up for their own no matter how vile the hofjuden are.
did anybody mention that this boston bombing looks like zionist jews setting up muslims as villains so more muslim countries can be invaded to steal gold to prevent comex gold delivery failure? are we really so dumb not to see it that way?
...right...
And Americans don't stand by their government while it indiscriminately bombs brown people all over the world?
So, by your logic...
Our "govt" is run by a brown skinned muslim. His number two is a brown skinned Persian muslim.
So, by you logic...
Hmm, that is right, until this latest administration America never bombed anyone...
I'm agreeing with George here, If one were to go about killing all the Muslims that look like Muslims, one would by definition miss all those Muslims that don't look like Muslims.
A better approach must be found.
just channeling my personal hero MDB.
GW,
McVeigh didn't kill in the name of Christianity. He didn't yell out "Go Jesus" when they executed him. In fact, he claimed to be agnostic.
Americans have every right to be leery of Muslims. No one wants to "kill all the Muslims" but I suspect most would like to start deporting many of them.
+1
To deny that there is a serious strain of Islam focused on murder is to deny reality. It is in their books, their teachings, their day to day life.
It is estimated 50-100Million Muslims hold radically violent views of the West.
BTW, pointing out one or two instances of an American attacking Muslim-looking people after the worst attack against our citizens on our soil and carried out in the name of the gutter religion Islam.... pretty much proves the restraint that Americans do have.
I feel dumber after reading this post.
I feel dumber after reading this post...
that's not a coincidence...but it may be infectious. Have you had rabies shots in the last while?
Pretty much most of America's problems can be traced back to LIBERALS.
Absolutely. If we only had a right-wing Christiocracy, all our problems would be solved. We could gas and burn all the libruhls and the progressives and the gays and the milktoasts (<= those who were merely lukewarm about the conservative revolution). Gee, that shit has NEVER been tried before (not like in 1789 France). So now's a great time to try it again! Brilliant!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2noUSCgKrQ
Ummm . . . that wasn't much of a right wing Christocracy in 1789.
No, dumbass. Just follow the Constitution and keep govt where it belongs. You know, the document that says we can be whatever religion and however religious OR NOT that we want to be. No "christiocracy" or whatever is coming to get you.
Most Christians are liberals/progressives these days. The idea that Catholics and other Christians are all "right-wing" (which is such a stupid bromide.... pure meaninglessness) is weak. The Conservatives have lost the Church.
Jesus said "turn the other cheek" 5 centuries before Mohamed said, "if they don't convert, then kill them." One was a classic liberal in word and deed, the other was a blood thirsty tyrant.
Today's self-described liberals are largely recipients of the gravy train. A lot of talk, but they never put their money on the line.
A world drowning in DoubleSpeak.
What a gomer.
All I did was mention liberalism as the source of most of the Nation's problems and you take it to a Christocracy burning progressives (the coward's term for liberals), fags and other dribble.
Perhaps you yourself are a progressive gay?
Ewwwww.
"All I did was mention liberalism"
Well gohhhholee pop. All I did was burn down the barn... Watcha so upset about? I saved half the chickens...
Who the "gomer" you ignorant hick? Throw a gallon can of black gesso* on the canvas and then wonder why Bob Ross doesn't smack your ass?
*probably don't even know what black gesso is do you?
How many gays do you know who arent progressive?
You're encouraging me not to kill all Muslims? Hmmm. I hadn't thought of that approach. I just thought everybody realized that all members of a group should automatically be killed when one or two members of that group do something evil or stupid. You know, like since the older brother was a boxer we should kill all boxers, and since they were both males obviously all males need to go, and especially Chechen ones. /sarc
If that much space needs to be taken up for an article with a point as forehead-smackingly obvious as this one, then nothing anyone here can do or say can make a difference, because our entire society will be down the crapper in record time.
Now...can we discuss something a little less surreal and more zero-hedgy?
Thank you.
+1000000
Thank you.
By that logic we can therefore weed out 1 of 2 viewers of "America's Got Talent."
No one likes us...I don't know why...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du3WhHrrNgs
That guy was annoying in the 70's. He must suck a real mean dick to be able to still be making a living off his (one) song.
for the record, if he has one great song he has
a hundred, not that that makes his singular talent
as exhibited any less.
LET ALL MUSLIMS IN BUT FIRST A QUICK STAY IN CAMP FEMA FOR PROCESSING AND CANNING.....