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Please Don’t Kill Everyone Who “Looks Muslim” Just Because the Boston Terrorists Were Allegedly Muslim

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Without going down any rabbit holes about who carried out the Boston bombings (you can  go down some here if you'd like) - or bringing up previous Chechen terrorist frame-ups (by the Russians) - I'd like to take one contrarian view ...

Maybe we shouldn't "kill all Muslims" just because the Boston terrorists appear to be Chechen Muslims.

Specifically - after 9/11 - Americans murdered a number of people because they “looked Muslim” … even though they were actually from a completely different religion.

Yesterday, a Muslim woman with an infant was attacked by someone blaming Muslims for the Boston terrorist attacks.

There is also a remote possibility that rogue fundamentalist Christian military personnel could start a nuclear war against Muslim nations.

Many are writing that the Boston bombers – Chechen brothers Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev – were devout Muslims.

If they were - in fact - the Boston bombers, then we are all for taking them out by any means necessary.  And we have no hesitation in giving them the death penalty if they are convicted in a court of law.

However, we congratulate the FBI for taking terrorist # 2 alive (here's an actual photo of his capture).

After all, we can gain much more valuable intelligence from a terrorist in custody than a dead terrorist.

I am not Muslim. But – in an attempt to minimize the wave of anti-Muslim violence which may unleashed, people might want to note that Tamerlan looked more like a Westernized hustler than a devout Muslim:

(that’s his Mercedes in the background).

And Dzhokhar looks somewhat Westernized as well:

 

He is allegedly a pothead. 2 days after the Boston terrorist attack, he worked out in the gym and went to a college party.

Similarly, the 9/11 hijackers used cocaine and drank alcohol, slept with prostitutes and attended strip clubs … but they did not worship at any mosque. See this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, and this. Hardly the acts of devout Muslims.

More importantly, Muslim scholars tell me that Islam prohibits the killing of innocent civilians. So terrorists are not true Muslims. Those claiming they are committing terrorist acts as Muslims are as credible as the Norwegian murderer or Timothy McVeigh trying to say they were following Christians values.

As we’ve previously noted:

If we ban mosques because some Muslims are murderers, we should also ban churches because Timothy McVeigh was a Christian.

 

Indeed, we should also ban synagogues because some Jews commit terrorism (see second bulleted paragraph).

 

Of course, anyone who sees their religion as the “good guys” and the other guy’s religion as “evil” is living in a cartoon.

 

As Christian writer and psychiatrist M. Scott Peck explained, there are different stages of spiritual maturity. Fundamentalism – whether it be Muslim, Christian, Jewish or Hindu fundamentalism – is an immature stage of development.

 

[Remember that Adolph Hitler professed to be a Christian, and churches in Nazi Germany mainly supported Adolph Hitler's unjust fascist policies. And Christian, Jewish and Muslim governments all carry out terror against their own people ... and then try to blame it on the other guy.

 

There are peaceful, contemplative Muslim sects - think the poet Rumi the poet and Sufis - and violent sects, just as there are contemplative Christian orders and violent Christian sects. ]

 

Indeed, a Christian fundamentalist who kills others in the name of religion is much more similar to a Muslim fundamentalist who kills other in the name of his religion than to a Christian who peacefully fights for justice and truth, helps the poor, or serves to bring hope to the downtrodden.

 

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The war on terror is largely a religious war. [Just today, a new report shows that the Air Force uses Christian and Old Testament teachings to justify the launch of nuclear weapons.]

 

As I pointed out in January:

ABC News is reporting that U.S. military weapons are inscribed with secret ‘Jesus’ Bible codes [the military subsequently endorsed this practice]

Conservative Christians were the biggest backers of the Iraq war …

 

One of the top Pentagon officials involved in the Iraq war – General William Boykin – literally:

Sees the “war on terror” as a religious war between Judeo-Christian civilization and Satan, with Islam of course cast in the latter role.

Jeremy Scahill describes Boykin as:

A Deputy Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence under Bush. Boykin was part of Donald Rumsfeld’s inner circle at the Pentagon where he was placed in charge of hunting “high-value targets.” Boykin was one of the key U.S. officials in establishing what critics alleged was death-squad-type activity in Iraq.

Boykin’s crusade is also important because one of his assigned jobs was:

Speeding up the flow of intelligence on terrorist leaders to combat teams in the field so that they can attack top-ranking terrorist leaders. It can easily be speculated that it is this urgency to obtain intelligence, and an uncompromising religious outlook backed by a [crusader] mentality, that has led to the lower echelons in the US military to adopt Saddam Hussein-like brutalities.

Moreover, the U.S. military has just been busted trying to convert Afghanis to Christianity (the same thing happened in Iraq).

 

As Scahill notes:

What’s more, the center of this evangelical operation is at the huge US base at Bagram, one of the main sites used by the US military to torture and indefinitely detain prisoners.

The bottom line is that – while torture was ordered by the highest level Bush administration officials in order to create a false link between 9/11 and Iraq – it seems like many of those who enthusiastically rallied around torture looked at it, literally, as a religious crusade.

As I wrote in 2009:

According to French President Chirac, Bush told him that the Iraq war was needed to bring on the apocalypse:

In Genesis and Ezekiel Gog and Magog are forces of the Apocalypse who are prophesied to come out of the north and destroy Israel unless stopped. The Book of Revelation took up the Old Testament prophesy:

“And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.”

Bush believed the time had now come for that battle, telling Chirac:

“This confrontation is willed by God, who wants to use this conflict to erase his people’s enemies before a New Age begins”…

There can be little doubt now that President Bush’s reason for launching the war in Iraq was, for him, fundamentally religious. He was driven by his belief that the attack on Saddam’s Iraq was the fulfilment of a Biblical prophesy in which he had been chosen to serve as the instrument of the Lord.

And British Prime Minister Tony Blair long-time mentor, advisor and confidante said:

“Tony’s Christian faith is part of him, down to his cotton socks. He believed strongly at the time, that intervention in Kosovo, Sierra Leone – Iraq too – was all part of the Christian battle; good should triumph over evil, making lives better.”

 

Mr Burton, who was often described as Mr Blair’s mentor, says that his religion gave him a “total belief in what’s right and what’s wrong”, leading him to see the so-called War on Terror as “a moral cause”…

 

Anti-war campaigners criticised remarks Mr Blair made in 2006, suggesting that the decision to go to war in Iraq would ultimately be judged by God.

Given that the Iraq war really was a crusade, the fact that the Pentagon is now saying that it may have to leave troops in Iraq for another decade shows that the crusade is still ongoing under Obama.

Indeed, churchgoers are more likely to back torture of suspected terrorists than atheists (and see this), and torture is apparently still continuing under the Obama administration.

As we noted in 2010, Arab terrorists are not actually motivated by religion at all:

University of Chicago professor Robert A. Pape – who specializes in international security affairs – points out:

Extensive research into the causes of suicide terrorism proves Islam isn’t to blame — the root of the problem is foreign military occupations.

Wait, what? That can’t be right!

 

But as Pape explains:

Each month, there are more suicide terrorists trying to kill Americans and their allies in Afghanistan, Iraq, and other Muslim countries than in all the years before 2001 combined.***

 

New research provides strong evidence that suicide terrorism such as that of 9/11 is particularly sensitive to foreign military occupation, and not Islamic fundamentalism or any ideology independent of this crucial circumstance. Although this pattern began to emerge in the 1980s and 1990s, a wealth of new data presents a powerful picture.

 

More than 95 percent of all suicide attacks are in response to foreign occupation, according to extensive research [co-authored by James K. Feldman - former professor of decision analysis and economics at the Air Force Institute of Technology and the School of Advanced Airpower Studies] that we conducted at the University of Chicago’s Project on Security and Terrorism, where we examined every one of the over 2,200 suicide attacks across the world from 1980 to the present day. As the United States has occupied Afghanistan and Iraq, which have a combined population of about 60 million, total suicide attacks worldwide have risen dramatically — from about 300 from 1980 to 2003, to 1,800 from 2004 to 2009. Further, over 90 percent of suicide attacks worldwide are now anti-American. The vast majority of suicide terrorists hail from the local region threatened by foreign troops, which is why 90 percent of suicide attackers in Afghanistan are Afghans.

 

Israelis have their own narrative about terrorism, which holds that Arab fanatics seek to destroy the Jewish state because of what it is, not what it does. But since Israel withdrew its army from Lebanon in May 2000, there has not been a single Lebanese suicide attack. Similarly, since Israel withdrew from Gaza and large parts of the West Bank, Palestinian suicide attacks are down over 90 percent.

 

Some have disputed the causal link between foreign occupation and suicide terrorism, pointing out that some occupations by foreign powers have not resulted in suicide bombings — for example, critics often cite post-World War II Japan and Germany. Our research provides sufficient evidence to address these criticisms by outlining the two factors that determine the likelihood of suicide terrorism being employed against an occupying force.

 

The first factor is social distance between the occupier and occupied. The wider the social distance, the more the occupied community may fear losing its way of life. Although other differences may matter, research shows that resistance to occupations is especially likely to escalate to suicide terrorism when there is a difference between the predominant religion of the occupier and the predominant religion of the occupied.

 

Religious difference matters not because some religions are predisposed to suicide attacks. Indeed, there are religious differences even in purely secular suicide attack campaigns, such as the LTTE (Hindu) against the Sinhalese (Buddhists).

 

Rather, religious difference matters because it enables terrorist leaders to claim that the occupier is motivated by a religious agenda that can scare both secular and religious members of a local community — this is why Osama bin Laden never misses an opportunity to describe U.S. occupiers as “crusaders” motivated by a Christian agenda to convert Muslims, steal their resources, and change the local population’s way of life.

 

The second factor is prior rebellion. Suicide terrorism is typically a strategy of last resort, often used by weak actors when other, non-suicidal methods of resistance to occupation fail. This is why we see suicide attack campaigns so often evolve from ordinary terrorist or guerrilla campaigns, as in the cases of Israel and Palestine, the Kurdish rebellion in Turkey, or the LTTE in Sri Lanka.

 

One of the most important findings from our research is that empowering local groups can reduce suicide terrorism. In Iraq, the surge’s success was not the result of increased U.S. military control of Anbar province, but the empowerment of Sunni tribes, commonly called the Anbar Awakening, which enabled Iraqis to provide for their own security. On the other hand, taking power away from local groups can escalate suicide terrorism. In Afghanistan, U.S. and Western forces began to exert more control over the country’s Pashtun regions starting in early 2006, and suicide attacks dramatically escalated from this point on.

 

***

 

The first step is recognizing that occupations in the Muslim world don’t make Americans any safer — in fact, they are at the heart of the problem.

But surely Pape and his team of University of Chicago researchers are wrong. Surely other security experts disagree, right?

 

No.

 

The top security experts – conservative hawks and liberal doves alike – agree that waging war in the Middle East weakens national security and increases terrorism. See this, this, this, this, this and this.

 

As one of the top counter-terrorism experts (the former number 2 counter-terrorism expert at the State Department) told me, starting wars against states which do not pose an imminent threat to America’s national security increases the threat of terrorism because:

One of the principal causes of terrorism is injuries to people and families.

***

 

And its not only war in general as an abstract concept. The methods we’re using to wage war are increasing terrorism.

 

As one example, torture reduces our national security and creates new terrorists.

 

Unfortunately, we are continuing to indiscriminately kill civilians using drone strikes, and we are continuing to torture innocent people (see this, this, this, and this).

 

This is not a question of being a “Muslim-sympathizer”. I am not a Muslim …. This isn’t about religion at all.

 

Its all about being practical in protecting our national security.

 

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Sat, 04/20/2013 - 10:03 | 3476734 GoldForCash
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A MUSLIM BY ANY OTHER NAME IS STILL A MUSLIM.....

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 14:11 | 3477491 falak pema
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Arnaud Amaury, papal prelate : "kill em all, let God chose his own. (Beziers 1209, massacre of Cathar christians.)

Same Guy : I saw on that hill the infidel, the Cathar heretic and the schismatic orthodox (in reference to 1204 massacre of Greeks by Crusaders during 4th Crusade at Constantinople). They all look alike to me. (Calatrava 1212, letter to Pope Innocent III after Crusader victory)

 Pope Borgia : Inter caetera bull 1493. Its our duty to conquer and purify all lands where the infidel holds sway. (Pertaining to justifying the partition of NEW world between Spain and  Portugal after Columbus's discovery.

Hitler, Adolf : Crystal night, Juden burns! (1938)

Gen Sherman : The only good injun is a dead injun. (circa 1875, prior to Little Big Horn).

So you guys are true christians and ethnic cleansers by the looks of it. In this tradition. Its not specific to Muslims. In fact they never committed outright genocide of christians until 1529 campaign of Soliman in Hungary. And that was imperial strategy of conquest; not religious zeal, like Mongol horde conquest.

Its so itchy this knee jerk to kill the bogey man of the day.... If he ain't like us he has to go! You are for us or against us. (Hey, what's new in imperial AMerica today, singing manifest destiny!)

Can't change a leopard's spots!

 

 

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 12:29 | 3477173 peter4805
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No need for continual shouting.

All caps = unread

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 11:01 | 3476707 GoldForCash
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LET ALL MUSLIMS IN BUT FIRST A QUICK STAY IN CAMP FEMA FOR PROCESSING AND CANNING.....press red down if you agree.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 13:11 | 3477291 RafterManFMJ
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I'm unclear where you would find a pressure cooker large enough to can a Muslim? Especially those Somalis - they are rather tall.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 11:47 | 3476959 Colonial Intent
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The village of Freerepublic called, they're missing their idiot.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 09:51 | 3476700 DosZap
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George,

Pls not so dramatic.After 9-11 it didn't happen so why would these two punks cause that?.

Just two more dangerous ISLAMIC fanantics.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 20:13 | 3478637 tango
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I'll take GW's word that he is not a Muslim but ZH (and especially GW) has become a sort of clearing ground for excusing, defending, ignoring violent Muslim actions and dictatorial governments because the US is evil.  I've seen nonsense about Islamic  banking in which interest is allegedly not charged (absurd) , Ive read  straight-faced comments about the "legal governments" of Gaza, Syria and Iran (lol) with nary a word about secret police or torture as rourtine.  Currently many are trying to turn what is obviously an amateur tragedy into yet another inside job.  You have to wonder why the powers that wanna didn't chose something a tad more dramatic than a damn race. 

Sun, 04/21/2013 - 10:14 | 3479925 JOYFUL
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I'll agree with you that GW is still a little stuck on the USA is evil meme...

but almost all the rest of us who you despise  herehave moved on to the US is a victim of the Sionist Imperium narrative.

So please re-invent a new, improved rationale for been barking mad.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 09:44 | 3476691 dick cheneys ghost
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If my theroy is correct that this is blowback from the Russian Mafia over Cyprus bail-ins, then I would look for some hits on Russian oligarchs, a CIA "incident in Russia' or a direct hit on Taurtus......BWTFDIK

 

During the Boston incident, the WH situation room was activated and a 48 hour FBI news blackout ensued........

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 13:51 | 3476810 rwe2late
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Dick Cheney in spirit,

Still spouting the same old B.S. to cover blowback from US policies.

The US government currently supports the Chechnyan "radical Islamists".

Same as the ones from Saudi Arabia, Syria, and Kosovo.

So long as they undermine the Russians, and support the expansion of US domination, they are in turn supported by the US government.

But if they turn, or are no longer useful, they are branded "terrorists", like the Taliban or AlQaeda. Terrorists are just the code name for those who oppose the US government. It is not about the tactics. Any tactics, torture, killing civilians, assassination, etc. is deemed OK (rationalized) so long as done in support of US.

The declared "war" against the tactics is all PR for a never ending "emergency" state of war. Imagine if a never ending war to prevent "surprise attacks" had been declared after Pearl Harbor.

Perhaps the youthful Boston bombers were confused by the dual track US policy of expediently supporting or opposing "Islamic militancy".

Or perhaps they came to understand the manipulative nature of the policy.

Either way, (and however much Russians may find some satisfaction in the bombing) 

it's blowback from US policies.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 16:11 | 3477997 DaveyJones
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perfect. well said

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 09:44 | 3476690 Pool Shark
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Please Don’t Kill Everyone Who “Looks Muslim” Just Because the Boston Terrorists Were Allegedly Muslim

 

Maybe not; but we don't have to grant them entry into the US either.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 16:08 | 3477988 DaveyJones
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just the mexicans, indians and chinese to cover our affordable engineering and kitchen needs. (and keep walmart and the ag industry working) 

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 10:21 | 3476781 mofreedom
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certainly not, but we must continue with the pork-based jokes.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 19:03 | 3478461 jwoop66
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didn't they rob a 7-11 and nab some slim jims? Are slim-jims halal?

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 17:21 | 3478226 WmMcK
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Boy: Rabbi, Rabbi, why can't we eat pork?

Rabii: We can't?

-- Woody Allen

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 09:54 | 3476705 overmedicatedun...
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pool," but we don't have to grant them entry into the US either."

no WE don't, but the elite reptiles who run our .gov's CAN and DO and want more of them here.. John McCain rot in hell.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 09:51 | 3476701 The Abstraction...
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'...the Boston terrorists appear to be Chechen Muslims.'

 

To those who really don't care about the logic of the official narrative. 

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 10:26 | 3476794 disabledvet
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What other choice do we have? I am not privy to any investigative material or intelligence. We all can speculate of course...(I don't recall a US occupation force anywhere for example...let alone in Chechenya) but if we go down that road for all we know "George Washington" here himself could have been in on it. Again...no expert but my understanding is it's all about motive, means and opportunity. The FBI had been watching this family for years, they had apparently recently become radicalized, there was an attempted bombing in Times Square that cancelled the NY City Marathon by a Muslim whacko, Boston is a solidly Christian/Catholic City, no one is out there "killing Muslims" in the USA nor advocating that that I am aware of. In other words we seem to be reading pretty much everything into this thing when the reality appears to me to be "as pee the nodus operandi" of Al Qaeda. Obviously there is no "100 percent" here (having a live terrorist admitting it and explaining why doesn't hurt though) and I would be very interested to know if these kids had any health problems leading up to their insane act. I do find it interesting that there is no "rush to judgement" here. (FBI exculpating their own guilt in this matter?!) so I say "let the pro's handle this and Zero Hedge'rs will tell you exactly what these guy's are tweeting and where they are when you're trying to catch them" mr. police man.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 12:12 | 3477120 The Abstraction...
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The choice is to follow the official narrative to see if it makes sense, and it does not.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 14:11 | 3477417 Element
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But given the endless rumor and speculation that formed that narrative its hardly surprising.

There are ultimately only two possibilities here:

(1) It was a set-up.

Which so far I've seen nothing compelling to suggest that.

(2) These guys did this simply to make the entire US population understand what it is like to have completely innocent people killed and maimed, at random, for no just cause or reason - whatsoever.

Which I think is overwhelmingly the more compelling of the two possibilities.

I also don't think such so-called terrorism is about instilling terror in people at all. It may do that to some, but that's incidental, and not the actual point, nor even an aim of it. It is simply to make the US people feel and understand what they do, via their govt, to others elsewhere, every damn day.

But if it is # (2), the reality of that would still be virtually completely lost on the hype and BS-gush issuing from the US lie-support apparatus, Authoritahs, and Political circus right now.

They will talk all around it until they have thoroughly misunderstood all of it, and then they'll declare the matter fully intellectually digested and closed.

A little secret; what the USSA really fears, what wrenches its guts, deep down, what really puts the 'terror' into terrorism, is the very thought, the prospect that the USA itself, its whole population, might actually be held directly and physically accountable for their actions and inactions and the policies of their Govt and military - and by a whole generation of young men just like these two guys.

That's why everyone's REALLY so freaked by this. It's just no one's coming right out and voicing that yet, especially in the MSM. But they're thinking it, all the way back behind their still smiling and cheering eyes. They're subconsciously processing that little mental Shoppe-of-Horrors, and they're frantic as hell about it being true.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 14:14 | 3477499 The Abstraction...
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You seem to have rejected (1) too quickly. When the police come to tazer your face, the first thing they will ask is for you to take off your tinfoil helmet.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 14:20 | 3477518 Element
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Um ... you seem to be projecting ... how is it I'm wearing a tin foil helmet ... if you're the one ready to go with the conspiracy option #(1)?

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 14:32 | 3477556 The Abstraction...
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If you misinterpret the point of my last comment so easily, can you be sure you are interpreting anything correctly?

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 14:54 | 3477638 Element
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Nope, didn't make any more sense reading it a second time.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 17:08 | 3478191 The Abstraction...
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If the police want to tazer your face they will ask you to remove any metal features from your face that could act as a Faraday cage. See they accuse you of being a kooky fellow, and then they shoot you in the face.

Sun, 04/21/2013 - 00:38 | 3479401 Element
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And I was supposed to get that dude? LOL

I maintain my interpretive capacity is as folly-based as it always has been.

Is that better?

 

btw, Faraday Cages are electro-magnetic shields (against EM photons delivering inductive currents indirectly), it won't work against a barbed taser electrode delivering electrons directly down conductive wires (i.e. non-inductively). Not to mention that a Faraday Cage on a skull is not going to shield direct exposure of your face to EM photons, nor conductor barbs. Faraday cages have to fully encompass what they're attempting to protect from EM radiation, or they don't work. So I'm afraid your cunning foil hat isn't doing much there mate. Thus I was never going to grasp that electrically invalid allusion, sorry.

Mon, 04/22/2013 - 04:58 | 3482888 The Abstraction...
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If the electrodes intercept the hat, they will short across the hat. They also do not need to fully encompass a surface. If you are in a car, and you are hit be lightning, the glass panes will not shield you, but the general chasis will.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 09:43 | 3476688 Bazza McKenzie
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Communism had its fellow travellers, apologists and, in Lenin's words "useful idiots".  So does Islam.

Just a pity that they appropriate the name of a genuine American hero and truly exceptional human being.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 11:35 | 3477006 Terminus C
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Who?  You refering to George?  A slave owning oligarch?

Exceptional... Hah!

The revolutionary war was as much about freedom of all men as the Magna Carta was... The revolutionary war was a battle between the elites of England over control of the American Empire, and eventually over the Anglo empire.

"Men" as defined by the constitution were protestant (Anglican), white, and wealthy landowners.

A big club... most weren't in it.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 09:42 | 3476687 lolman
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>> Implying anyone suggested that

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 09:41 | 3476684 Rustysilver
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The guy is wearing a scarf with his outer coat unbuttoned. Basically a fashion statement.  Mercedes in the background looks to be 1980's vintage.

The guy just wanted to fit in.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 16:20 | 3478036 Papasmurf
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Or blend in.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 09:34 | 3476678 Josey Montana
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John and Sam Adams, Paul Revere and all the ghosts of 1776 must wonder, Why oh why did we bother to fight and die, only for it to turn out like this?

I dare say, Boston of 1776 shares not one drop of blood with the usurped Boston of 2013

"America" has been dead some while, overrun by squatters, usurpers and Vichey collaborators who contributed nothing from 1620 onward ... but who know a good thing when they see it and want their piece of that action.

Damn them all to hell.

Sun, 04/21/2013 - 00:16 | 3479392 Element
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All high ideals are sad things when other people don't see them or share them.

Alternatively, the ideal is an illusion, and the actions of others only reveal a fictional or otherwise imaginary quality.

If it's real it exists independent of us.

But even if it were independent and 'real', entropy would see to that on a long enough timeline.

The Roman system failed, so did every other Statist system, but that's the nature of cerebral, and also of the material construct.

On a long enough timeline mountains become plains.

And all ideals evaporate or else transmogrify to something completely different.

You'd need a lot of energy to turn a plain back into a mountain, and most onlookers would look at it and say, "dude, WTF are you wasting all that energy for again?" But let's say you persisted, the minor mountain would never stand as tall again, or be as cohesive, ... and then it rains.

'America' was a one-off. It will never come again.

What comes now is also a one-off, and it's also going to be a great blessing and a terrible curse.

Just like that last pile of imagination, that everyone somehow became convinced was worth dieing for. I guarantee you that if no one had died for it, the world would be completely indifferent and not give a damn, and what emerged would likewise still have been simultaneously totally delightful, and completely awful.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 09:53 | 3476702 lolman
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>> Vichey collaborators

I wish!!

More like stalinist totalitarians

 

 

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 07:39 | 3476569 Edward Fiatski
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This DJoker fellow became a naturalised U.S. citisen on September the 11th, 2012.

Spooks like their symbolism - the only way to properly run a cover ops false flag operation and flaut their indisputed supremacy in the face of clueless cattle, on whose backs the gravy train rides on.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 10:45 | 3476859 disabledvet
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And to think Hollywood still doesn't portray these terrorist folks as having a (albeit bad) sense of humor. Obviously the folks at INS need to check their computer systems out. These things could have been hacked "allowing citizenship" to a kid on the FBI terror watch list. It is interesting that this kid did just gain citizenship as well. Why commit such an act when you just became an American? "yet another question that will never be answered" I'm sure.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 10:38 | 3476841 JOYFUL
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Spooks like their symbolism...

it's just silly to supposed that random acts like the Boston Bombing have any reference to other dates or completely co-incidental connections to an imaginary time line...

if what you're saying were true, they would probably have timed the hunting down of these very real 'domestically foreign' terrorists to co-incide with other notable dates when the government was forced to intervene to eliminate other outbreaks of terrorism on American soil.

For instance, they could have chosen to do it on the 20th anniversary of the end of the Waco siege(where 78 terrorists were forced to deal with the deadly consequences of denying the State it's due)...or maybe even on the anniversary of the day another domestic terrorist attacked a Federal Building in Oklahoma...

oh wait....

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 11:55 | 3477069 Kayman
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Every damn date on the calendar can be related to something in the past. Non sequiturs or what ?

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 12:18 | 3477127 Edward Fiatski
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"Or what."

Not when you're trying to take over a country with such history, separation of powers & a coherent Consitution, and, instead, install a political, economic & social union on the whole of the continent of North America against the wishes of the people, modelled after the EU, at best.

SPY collapse comes next, which is also a part of the dump plan - leave the clueless cattle peniless and dependent, and they will not revolt against armed PMC troops with 20-ton APCs patrolling on their suburbian streets, which in turn, allows for even more "CHANGE".

It's a massive operation - not undertaken lightly. You're probably not in it.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 12:11 | 3477114 JOYFUL
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Don't worry about it ...

it's a cabbalist thing. Numbers n stuff...no biggie;

now let's get back to barkin at Muzzies!

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 02:02 | 3476344 Element
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Watch this video from 3 mins 2 sec thru 4 min 10 secs:

From ABC Australia program, "Planet America"

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-04-20/planet-america-friday-april-19/464...

What's conspicuously missing in the US, and most of the western world in fact, but especially in the USA, is any realistic sense of perspectives and rational assessments of the relative hazard and risk. Thus everything that occurs of this sort (or almost any other sort, in fact) is just one massive emotive mish-mash and speculative over-reaction, after another, as the MSM over-amplifies each 'event' into a national and global narative of hysterical calamities that 'require', nay, DEMAND draconian state-fostered over-reactions and interloping to "save" us ... from almost, but not quite, nothings.

As Cog-Dis pointed out a few years back (at considerable length), welcome to our "collective insanity".

Or rather, welcome to the next over-reaction ... that solves nothing whatsoever.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 01:21 | 3476299 williambanzai7
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Someone is taking a picture of him taking a picture of himself standingin front of his Merc-mini.

I think that sums it up on who he is.

Armed and dangerous douche bag.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 10:34 | 3476805 Winston Churchill
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Reminds me of another narcissistic sociopath.Unortunately that one lives

in the White House.

Amazing there hasn't been blowback from Obozo's actions slaughtering innocents across

the ME ,as acceptable(to him)collateral damage.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 11:21 | 3476966 Colonial Intent
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There was very little blowback from another sociopaths actions slaughtering innocents across the veldt during the boer war.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 12:25 | 3477035 Winston Churchill
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You  may want to check your assumptions, and the facts.

There was indeed blowback , delayed, and my avatar was a war correspondent in that war,

nothing else.He may have been a sociopath, but not a narcissist.who are normaly cowards.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 10:09 | 3476747 blindman
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whatever he is the judgment should be based on at least
a preponderance of evidence that supports that determination
and conclusion. that is what I was taught.
.
this morning on the t.v. they are convicting and condemning
the younger suspect and making wild guesses as to the motive
and modus operando regarding the crime. they take their own
speculation and misreporting as evidence to condemn.
it is like watching and listening to people who sit around
and smell their own farts telling you how wonderful the air
is today. not the stuff of criminal justice, more like a locker
room shower party after the big game.
best to you mr.b..
my question is when will we have a trial or rigorous investigation
resulting from a heinous crime again? oj, 9/11, sandy hook, dorner,
now boston marathon. the trend seems to be toward instant "justice",
without the trouble of investigation, open and public, and no
trial, it is disturbing.

Sat, 04/20/2013 - 11:02 | 3476874 rbg81
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Yeah, sure "wild guesses" about the motives of the Chechen whose world view is Islam.  I'm sure he was bombing the Marathon because he disagree with Bernanke's QE policy.  After all, Chechens are well behaved, peace loving people.  Give me a fucking break.  If had been a Tea Party member, you and your ilk wouldn't hesitate to proclaim what his motives were.  But, he's an Muslim, so now (like magic) his motives don't matter.  Suddenly, the Perp has valid excuses for doing what he did and is beyond our petty judgement.

Well, fuck that.  If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, its a duck.  Maybe you'd see that if only you could get your head out of your ass.

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