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Please Don’t Kill Everyone Who “Looks Muslim” Just Because the Boston Terrorists Were Allegedly Muslim
Without going down any rabbit holes about who carried out the Boston bombings (you can go down some here if you'd like) - or bringing up previous Chechen terrorist frame-ups (by the Russians) - I'd like to take one contrarian view ...
Maybe we shouldn't "kill all Muslims" just because the Boston terrorists appear to be Chechen Muslims.
Specifically - after 9/11 - Americans murdered a number of people because they “looked Muslim” … even though they were actually from a completely different religion.
Yesterday, a Muslim woman with an infant was attacked by someone blaming Muslims for the Boston terrorist attacks.
There is also a remote possibility that rogue fundamentalist Christian military personnel could start a nuclear war against Muslim nations.
Many are writing that the Boston bombers – Chechen brothers Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev – were devout Muslims.
If they were - in fact - the Boston bombers, then we are all for taking them out by any means necessary. And we have no hesitation in giving them the death penalty if they are convicted in a court of law.
However, we congratulate the FBI for taking terrorist # 2 alive (here's an actual photo of his capture).
After all, we can gain much more valuable intelligence from a terrorist in custody than a dead terrorist.
I am not Muslim. But – in an attempt to minimize the wave of anti-Muslim violence which may unleashed, people might want to note that Tamerlan looked more like a Westernized hustler than a devout Muslim:
(that’s his Mercedes in the background).
And Dzhokhar looks somewhat Westernized as well:
He is allegedly a pothead. 2 days after the Boston terrorist attack, he worked out in the gym and went to a college party.
Similarly, the 9/11 hijackers used cocaine and drank alcohol, slept with prostitutes and attended strip clubs … but they did not worship at any mosque. See this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, and this. Hardly the acts of devout Muslims.
More importantly, Muslim scholars tell me that Islam prohibits the killing of innocent civilians. So terrorists are not true Muslims. Those claiming they are committing terrorist acts as Muslims are as credible as the Norwegian murderer or Timothy McVeigh trying to say they were following Christians values.
As we’ve previously noted:
If we ban mosques because some Muslims are murderers, we should also ban churches because Timothy McVeigh was a Christian.
Indeed, we should also ban synagogues because some Jews commit terrorism (see second bulleted paragraph).
Of course, anyone who sees their religion as the “good guys” and the other guy’s religion as “evil” is living in a cartoon.
As Christian writer and psychiatrist M. Scott Peck explained, there are different stages of spiritual maturity. Fundamentalism – whether it be Muslim, Christian, Jewish or Hindu fundamentalism – is an immature stage of development.
[Remember that Adolph Hitler professed to be a Christian, and churches in Nazi Germany mainly supported Adolph Hitler's unjust fascist policies. And Christian, Jewish and Muslim governments all carry out terror against their own people ... and then try to blame it on the other guy.
There are peaceful, contemplative Muslim sects - think the poet Rumi the poet and Sufis - and violent sects, just as there are contemplative Christian orders and violent Christian sects. ]
Indeed, a Christian fundamentalist who kills others in the name of religion is much more similar to a Muslim fundamentalist who kills other in the name of his religion than to a Christian who peacefully fights for justice and truth, helps the poor, or serves to bring hope to the downtrodden.
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The war on terror is largely a religious war. [Just today, a new report shows that the Air Force uses Christian and Old Testament teachings to justify the launch of nuclear weapons.]
As I pointed out in January:
ABC News is reporting that U.S. military weapons are inscribed with secret ‘Jesus’ Bible codes [the military subsequently endorsed this practice]
Conservative Christians were the biggest backers of the Iraq war …
One of the top Pentagon officials involved in the Iraq war – General William Boykin – literally:
Sees the “war on terror” as a religious war between Judeo-Christian civilization and Satan, with Islam of course cast in the latter role.
Jeremy Scahill describes Boykin as:
A Deputy Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence under Bush. Boykin was part of Donald Rumsfeld’s inner circle at the Pentagon where he was placed in charge of hunting “high-value targets.” Boykin was one of the key U.S. officials in establishing what critics alleged was death-squad-type activity in Iraq.
Boykin’s crusade is also important because one of his assigned jobs was:
Speeding up the flow of intelligence on terrorist leaders to combat teams in the field so that they can attack top-ranking terrorist leaders. It can easily be speculated that it is this urgency to obtain intelligence, and an uncompromising religious outlook backed by a [crusader] mentality, that has led to the lower echelons in the US military to adopt Saddam Hussein-like brutalities.
Moreover, the U.S. military has just been busted trying to convert Afghanis to Christianity (the same thing happened in Iraq).
As Scahill notes:
What’s more, the center of this evangelical operation is at the huge US base at Bagram, one of the main sites used by the US military to torture and indefinitely detain prisoners.
The bottom line is that – while torture was ordered by the highest level Bush administration officials in order to create a false link between 9/11 and Iraq – it seems like many of those who enthusiastically rallied around torture looked at it, literally, as a religious crusade.
As I wrote in 2009:
According to French President Chirac, Bush told him that the Iraq war was needed to bring on the apocalypse:
In Genesis and Ezekiel Gog and Magog are forces of the Apocalypse who are prophesied to come out of the north and destroy Israel unless stopped. The Book of Revelation took up the Old Testament prophesy:
“And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.”
Bush believed the time had now come for that battle, telling Chirac:
“This confrontation is willed by God, who wants to use this conflict to erase his people’s enemies before a New Age begins”…
There can be little doubt now that President Bush’s reason for launching the war in Iraq was, for him, fundamentally religious. He was driven by his belief that the attack on Saddam’s Iraq was the fulfilment of a Biblical prophesy in which he had been chosen to serve as the instrument of the Lord.
And British Prime Minister Tony Blair long-time mentor, advisor and confidante said:
“Tony’s Christian faith is part of him, down to his cotton socks. He believed strongly at the time, that intervention in Kosovo, Sierra Leone – Iraq too – was all part of the Christian battle; good should triumph over evil, making lives better.”
Mr Burton, who was often described as Mr Blair’s mentor, says that his religion gave him a “total belief in what’s right and what’s wrong”, leading him to see the so-called War on Terror as “a moral cause”…
Anti-war campaigners criticised remarks Mr Blair made in 2006, suggesting that the decision to go to war in Iraq would ultimately be judged by God.
Given that the Iraq war really was a crusade, the fact that the Pentagon is now saying that it may have to leave troops in Iraq for another decade shows that the crusade is still ongoing under Obama.
Indeed, churchgoers are more likely to back torture of suspected terrorists than atheists (and see this), and torture is apparently still continuing under the Obama administration.
As we noted in 2010, Arab terrorists are not actually motivated by religion at all:
University of Chicago professor Robert A. Pape – who specializes in international security affairs – points out:
Extensive research into the causes of suicide terrorism proves Islam isn’t to blame — the root of the problem is foreign military occupations.
Wait, what? That can’t be right!
But as Pape explains:
Each month, there are more suicide terrorists trying to kill Americans and their allies in Afghanistan, Iraq, and other Muslim countries than in all the years before 2001 combined.***
New research provides strong evidence that suicide terrorism such as that of 9/11 is particularly sensitive to foreign military occupation, and not Islamic fundamentalism or any ideology independent of this crucial circumstance. Although this pattern began to emerge in the 1980s and 1990s, a wealth of new data presents a powerful picture.
More than 95 percent of all suicide attacks are in response to foreign occupation, according to extensive research [co-authored by James K. Feldman - former professor of decision analysis and economics at the Air Force Institute of Technology and the School of Advanced Airpower Studies] that we conducted at the University of Chicago’s Project on Security and Terrorism, where we examined every one of the over 2,200 suicide attacks across the world from 1980 to the present day. As the United States has occupied Afghanistan and Iraq, which have a combined population of about 60 million, total suicide attacks worldwide have risen dramatically — from about 300 from 1980 to 2003, to 1,800 from 2004 to 2009. Further, over 90 percent of suicide attacks worldwide are now anti-American. The vast majority of suicide terrorists hail from the local region threatened by foreign troops, which is why 90 percent of suicide attackers in Afghanistan are Afghans.
Israelis have their own narrative about terrorism, which holds that Arab fanatics seek to destroy the Jewish state because of what it is, not what it does. But since Israel withdrew its army from Lebanon in May 2000, there has not been a single Lebanese suicide attack. Similarly, since Israel withdrew from Gaza and large parts of the West Bank, Palestinian suicide attacks are down over 90 percent.
Some have disputed the causal link between foreign occupation and suicide terrorism, pointing out that some occupations by foreign powers have not resulted in suicide bombings — for example, critics often cite post-World War II Japan and Germany. Our research provides sufficient evidence to address these criticisms by outlining the two factors that determine the likelihood of suicide terrorism being employed against an occupying force.
The first factor is social distance between the occupier and occupied. The wider the social distance, the more the occupied community may fear losing its way of life. Although other differences may matter, research shows that resistance to occupations is especially likely to escalate to suicide terrorism when there is a difference between the predominant religion of the occupier and the predominant religion of the occupied.
Religious difference matters not because some religions are predisposed to suicide attacks. Indeed, there are religious differences even in purely secular suicide attack campaigns, such as the LTTE (Hindu) against the Sinhalese (Buddhists).
Rather, religious difference matters because it enables terrorist leaders to claim that the occupier is motivated by a religious agenda that can scare both secular and religious members of a local community — this is why Osama bin Laden never misses an opportunity to describe U.S. occupiers as “crusaders” motivated by a Christian agenda to convert Muslims, steal their resources, and change the local population’s way of life.
The second factor is prior rebellion. Suicide terrorism is typically a strategy of last resort, often used by weak actors when other, non-suicidal methods of resistance to occupation fail. This is why we see suicide attack campaigns so often evolve from ordinary terrorist or guerrilla campaigns, as in the cases of Israel and Palestine, the Kurdish rebellion in Turkey, or the LTTE in Sri Lanka.
One of the most important findings from our research is that empowering local groups can reduce suicide terrorism. In Iraq, the surge’s success was not the result of increased U.S. military control of Anbar province, but the empowerment of Sunni tribes, commonly called the Anbar Awakening, which enabled Iraqis to provide for their own security. On the other hand, taking power away from local groups can escalate suicide terrorism. In Afghanistan, U.S. and Western forces began to exert more control over the country’s Pashtun regions starting in early 2006, and suicide attacks dramatically escalated from this point on.
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The first step is recognizing that occupations in the Muslim world don’t make Americans any safer — in fact, they are at the heart of the problem.
But surely Pape and his team of University of Chicago researchers are wrong. Surely other security experts disagree, right?
No.
The top security experts – conservative hawks and liberal doves alike – agree that waging war in the Middle East weakens national security and increases terrorism. See this, this, this, this, this and this.
As one of the top counter-terrorism experts (the former number 2 counter-terrorism expert at the State Department) told me, starting wars against states which do not pose an imminent threat to America’s national security increases the threat of terrorism because:
One of the principal causes of terrorism is injuries to people and families.
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And its not only war in general as an abstract concept. The methods we’re using to wage war are increasing terrorism.
As one example, torture reduces our national security and creates new terrorists.
Unfortunately, we are continuing to indiscriminately kill civilians using drone strikes, and we are continuing to torture innocent people (see this, this, this, and this).
This is not a question of being a “Muslim-sympathizer”. I am not a Muslim …. This isn’t about religion at all.
Its all about being practical in protecting our national security.
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thanks for the dialogue. the first question that needs
answering is was he involved in knowingly placing an explosive
at the scene of the bombing. if so was he working under any
instructions and if so who's instructions?
There absolutely needs to be an investigation. But I think its pretty clear that these brothers were involved. The big questions are: Was anyone else involved? Who staked them? and.... Who helped to radicalize them?
the theory that needs to be addressed and eliminated goes they
thought they were working with security forces in an exercise,
the exercise went real world and they became the patsies.
if there is credence to this "operation" then all the calls
for their body parts to be spilled all over the streets for public
satisfaction and consumption becomes blatantly ghoulish and even
more horrific. this is the kind of hell we need to be smart enough
to avoid. then again, maybe not?
.
this is the way the fbi did the first 1993 bombing of
the world trade tower, the bomb in the basement in the
van. they have a history. and now we have these private
security contractors all over the place, working for ....
profit !
i'm sure i'm not revealing anything new to this audience
when I say that we now know that j.f.k. actually shot
himself in the head on that fateful day in dallas.
granted, it is still a bit of a mystery how he got the
second shot off given the circumstances.
good luck to us all.
I think you made plenty of valid points above blindman, yes, it's disturbing, but the rule of law has always been optional when convenient, or rather, when inconvenient.
that explains why , in the mind of man, temporal
fluctuations and plasticity is demanded and
a priori essential, time to evaluate the potential
levels of convenience; that and grow grain.
plastic, schmashtic
Here’s an a priori for everyone..
When your go-to holy guy is a slave-owning killer pedophile, you are associated with evil under any circumstance and at any time or place.
yeah, i always had the sneaking suspicion that the english were eerily evil.
evocatively :)
Learn to control your dark side, George. At times, you seem to grasp the obvious, as reflected in your commentary. Then you go off on a tangent that is so transparent that it confuses those of us who are pulling for your transformation towards reality. Come on, brother, listen to your better angels.
There is also a remote possibility that rogue fundamentalist Christian military personnel could start a nuclear war against Muslim nations.
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WTF? Is George trying to be satirically funny or is he really off his rocker?
Just luv it when these wingnuts set up a totally fictitious strawman in a desperate attempt to deflect attention from the real problem.
There is a much larger possibility that rogue fundamentalist Muslim military personnel could start a nuclear war against Christian or Hindu nations.
The count of attacks against SAC facilities vs. NCA (PAK) facilities over the last 36 months is rather lopsided...
Well, the chances of that have decreased exponentially...at least for the moment...with the fleeing from the country of the AlCIAda chief in Pakistan..
.who the ISI decided to identify, and therefore delist from more mischief of the kind that gets all the sionazis droolin with anticipation of false flag nuklear nightmares!
Sorry it didn't work out for y'all this time!
They're not a rogue element if they have lawful command and control.
And the people behind the organizations with the infrastructure and budgets for false flag ops on either side 1) already have their own and other's nukes and 2) can easily finance and outfit more formidable attacks on other's (or their own) facilities than have been launched recently.
You seem get cross eyed and lose focus when you stare too closely, that's not healthy...
son, because you seem to have somehow reversed your wires, the only way I can even begin to comprehend the extent of your apparent miseducation in the 'arts of deception' is to stare cross-eyed and out o focus...in the hope out being able to see things your way!
But you can go ahead and downtick me agin if you need some moral support...there's simply no way to argue with your illogic!
Perhaps I was wrong, you're not cross-eyed, you're blind, since you can't even see who disagrees with your point of view, and blindly presume- like Darth Dick on a WMD hunt.
But that wouldn't explain the fact that if you polled the grand wizards of DoD Neocon Ideology, the only "R/L" that the 4 out of 5 of them would use to describe me are "Radical & Liberal" In fairness though, the 5th has known me since I was perhaps 4 1/2 feet tall many decades ago, so he has a slightly more nuanced perspective, sort of like my perspective on the way things actually work in Washington.
Two can play the arrogance game just fine...
lol...only 'game' you seem any good at so far is tickin the downbutton...
spare me your resume...the discussion is not personal.
Well the conversation certainly doesn't seem strategic. How does one muppet/puppet pink slip exponentially increase the security of the NCA stockpile? The clowns at the Embassy have enough benny bucks and intel to equip any patsy they choose, even without the endless supply conveys from the south conveniently hitting some "potholes" on the daily commute... (Assuming they don't want to just use Cuntlery's Easy Button and go with the export version.) Where is there any evidence of a remotely similar threat to SAC, or do you subscribe to the theory of the "convenient accidental drop"?
George will also talk about the golfing "Christian" killing thousands with drones. Well he actually a muslim but GW will not acknowledge that.
GW - Don't worry. The libturds of the NE, Red Sox Nation and Boston area who were murdered, blown to pieces and in lockdown will never blame these poor Checnian (mafia) muslims.
You got that right, Freddie. Bostonians will be the first to protest the death penalty for this muzzie terrorist, instead recommending a week's therapy with a court appointed pychologist and three week's community service washing down the blood on Boylston Street.
and the next time they are told to stay in their homes and submit to police searches, they will do so.
I wonder if any of those house to house searches resulted in any "illegal" firearm confiscations. Hmmmm
Huh? I can't tell which part you think is veering off course and which part you think is heading towards reality...
Please clarify .
Your Headline is don't kill Muslims; then you bait and switch to Dubya started the Iraq war to bring on the Apocalypse ? A little bit of bait and switch there George.
While you are appealing to Americans to not kill Muslims, you completely divert from one of the contributing problems- the Muslim free-pass to kill infidels. Which means anyone who doesn't believe in the rantings of Mohamed, and scary Big-Guy-In-The-Sky #2- Allah is a target.
And I am not giving the U.S. government a free pass. I don't trust anyone with an axe to grind.
Hey, thanks for bringing Iraq into the discussion pardner!
Course it's silly to connect sending our armed forces over to a foreign country with a previous record of religious tolerance, on behalf of another foreign power with a record of racial and religious pogroms against everybody else within spittin distance, in order to instill a little strife n disorder via killing, torturing, maiming and DU bombing as much of the civilian populations as is humanly possible to do without calling it an actual exercise in genocide...
with the random and pointless terrorism of a couple of kooks whose Mossad/FBI-directed attempts to cause a little mayhem in reverse has none of the bigbudget panache which is the hallmark of serious serial slayers of the kind you sionist trolls admire and dream of encouraging the furtherance of in other far-off places were people jus kinda all get along!
JOYFUL
Assuming you are addressing me- I was not giving Dubya a pass on Iraq. Iraq was a strategic error for the United States, whatever the conjured up reason given for the invasion. It has created a power vacuum and made the ME more unstable.
The sooner America comes home from the Middle East and lets all those rabid dogs get at each other, the better we all will be. And whatever you believe about Israel, that little piece of dirt is indefensible in the long run.
Mr George Washington, I am saddened and shocked by what you write above;
« ... we have no hesitation in giving them the death penalty ... »
My gosh that is your dark side
In Europe we have seen the light ... the death penalty is wrong
As you see in America, it is very cruel and inevitably applied arbitrarily to more vulnerable minorities ... innocent people get executed ... and the government BURIES THE TRUTH with the people it executes, as with the US and Timothy McVeigh
Already, most of the world does not use the death penalty. Just a handful of blood-crazed countries still use the death penalty.
Countries like Venezuela and Portugal abandoned the death penalty in the 1800s
The ancient Jewish rabbis, many hundreds of years ago (centuries before the Zionism corruption), wound up in effect outlawing the death penalty in their jurisprudence about 'murderous judges'
GW, how can you be so backward, now ? Do you not see that the death penalty is part of the same culture of torture and horror which you normally oppose ?
Self-defence, firearms, yes ... but never the cold killing by the State, in our modern era, where it is clearly un-necessary and sadistic
Most forms of execution - aside from the bullet to the head or firing squad, or beheading, are slow and sadistic, or become terribly botched ... the half-hour of getting poked with needles in lethal injection, the half-hour of slowly strangling while conscious in a hanging, in the large number of hangings where the neck is not broken to induce a coma
Children who grow up in death-penalty countries, like the US, are permanently traumatised by the execution stories
Really, GW, I thought you would have had more wisdom and human Enlightenment sense about this
Even if you think this, you should consider how you lose the sympathy of Europeans with such a backward, bloodthirsty view ... you are serving the American terrorist state by supporting their needless spilling of blood
Yeah, Europe is so "enlightened" they couldn't even lift a finger to stop the abject slaughter of 300,000 men, women and children within its borders. But that's OK because your child killers get excellect mental health treatment and enrichment courses to boot.
Hate to put it bluntly, but I am not losing sleep over whether or not the US has the sympathy of Europeans. The US has shed lots of blood because Europeans were so bloodthirsty and for 40 years prevented the Russians from rolling over them. So you can keep your "enlightened" or better yet, send a donation to the Bosnia Orphans Fund.
Children who grow up in death-penalty countries, like the US, are permanently traumatised by the execution stories
WTF?????
This sounds like the kind of stuff that can only come from a freshman sociology class from deep in the indoctrination matrix.
"We don't need facts...it just feels right."
Better back off on the waffles...They're starting to affect your mind.
I once witnessed an execution by lethal injection. Give me that (or just a car running in a garage) over a firing squad any day of the week if you're going to kill me. That guy murdered 3 people in front of their children (with lots of very credible eyewitnesses) and wrecked the lives of a dozen or more, and he just slipped away into the ether painlessly. He deserved to do a slow roast for hours. Well, at least thanks to the death penalty there is zero chance that that particular scum will ever get let out by some unelected judge to do his work AGAIN. Recidivism is remarkably low in cases where the death penalty is applied. He won't cost the taxpayers much anymore, either.
The death penalty in and of itself is not wrong. It's wrong to allow it in cases where someone is convicted with no credible eyewitnesses on hearsay or circumstantial evidence. For instance, I've seen nothing that leads me to believe that the death penalty should be applied to Charles Manson. When someone shows me good evidence that he picked up a gun or knife and murdered some people, then my opinion may change. Until then he may be a evil fuck and did some awful, illegal shit, but he's one who never killed anybody. It worked out about as it should have for him. So yes, as the death penalty currently is applied in many jurisdictions in the US is way too wildly applied, it DOES have its place.
It will again in Europe, too...once the spending spree is over. When governments run completely out of credit and can't afford to give free legal services and sex-change operations and tattoo removal to inmates and voters start to really question whether they'd like to provide more free elective health care for murderers while their taxes go up and they have to pay for their own (and the option is to put violent felons back on the street), we'll see how many really oppose just killing the bastards.
And if the state doesn't do it, and if they start freeing people who really deserve it, then go long vigilantism. Torches and pitchforks will go parabolic.
Yeah well the rest of us deserve to know why so that it will never happen again. Sorry but killing these "children" (and both of these kids were children) is just bad police work. The death penalty is part of justice system so we'll see how that plays out...but getting out the why's and how's seems a lot more important to me. And that would be to ALL Americans I might add. "there is no better police force than a well informed populace." I'll wait with baited breath for that one of course. Do any of these clowns know anything else other than to lie and withhold?
nyet, tovarich.
shit happens in a firefight, don't cha' know.
- Ned
And yet putting a person in hard-time jail for life is far more sadistic, cruel and violent than any firing squad.
I'm not sure just xactly what he's on about either George....
but I can say that we are pretty much back to where we were some 8\9 months ago...when 'the nose what knows' n me were on yur case pretty much every 2nd day...for appearing to be a gatekeeper, posing as a contrarian...and for which accusation your only recourse was to accuse me of bein a 'non terrorist!'
Well, you've done some fine work since those times(for which I have appropriately lauded yu)...but at this juncture...there's no more gate...and no more fence to sit 'pon either.
Meaning....'Pologetics(likely designed with not offending yur rapidly growin readership base)do. not. cut. it. any. more.
We are well into a carefully crafted parallel narrative of a)precious metal takedowns b)phony terrorism a la 9-11 redux c)a transparent ploy to initiate the draconian gun control legislation which sets sio-nazis droolin...in anticipation of no longer needin to 'hate freedoms' which no longer exist!
BOTTOM LINE...this is not a test. This is the BIG Takedown we all feared but doubted could ever really manifest itself...cause it's just too weird.
TAKE AWAY...a tiny subset of dual-citiizened traitors to the Republic have whisked away the remaing facade of freedom with this exercise in Boston, and are on the cusp of not only defrauding Merikans of their(much diminished)financial assets{aka Bail-in}, but removing the final blocks to creating a vast "Killing Fields" of progressivist talmudist terror which aims to wipe out the melatoninally-challenged races, and replace them with a mongrel race of slaves to do their bidding without resistance.
"Please don't kill the Muslims? Phuck it George...we all Muzzies now!
To paraphrase the junior BusheyBandit: yu either with us or agin us George...stake your position now...either call the cabbalists on their corruption of the Constitution...or flee to their side in hopes of feeding from their table scraps. Your call.
"Terrorism is always, a priori, a political tactic and strategy. All terrorism stems out of and is motivated by political Cause."
Pallas Athena
"The application of Economics is neither disclipline, faith or science; Economics is pure political expediency."
Verbewarp
A Deduction utilizing the Grammarian structure and syntax:
"Economics and Terrorism as 'Nouns', stem from the same roots as their arising 'Verb'; this is clearly identifiable as a strict adherence to biblical law."
Author Unknown.
Ho hum
Patsies number 666 and 667?
At this point in the insanity ANY "evidence" presented by authorities against these two men has zero credibility with me.
<I suspect that 'suspect' number 667 will succumb from his wounds quickly. America needs its blood lust to be sated.>
At this point in the insanity ANY "evidence" presented by authorities against these two men has zero credibility with me.
So, what you're saying is "my own confirmation bias is too strong to make any actual judgements anymore".
Disappointing coming from you, Cog.
I suspect that 'suspect' number 667 will succumb from his wounds quickly. America needs its blood lust to be sated.
Yeah, well, I bet you he doesn't.
The "blood lust" exists mostly in your own (biased) imagination.
In fact George Washington's entire post is a ridiculous fucking canard.
Look people we have two narratives here: one of creeping (when it isn't galloping) domestic tyranny, and one of Islamist terrorism.
Where's the law of nature that says they can't both hold, in the same world? In this world!
The "house view" is getting stale for a place that prides itself on mental agility and edginess.
Fully human and aware thinkers?
More like: Same sheep, different flock.
I do not trust the state and its agencies. Period. This was a witch hunt and they selected the witches to be hunted down. Any "evidence" presented by the state will be manufactured to appear to be convincing to those who wish to suspend disbelief in order to be relieved of their fears or convinced of the rightness of their thinking.
Despite people using the term "alleged" this man has been tried and convicted and almost executed by the state as well as the state of manipulated public opinion.
Of course you trust the state, Cog! You trust it so much you're eager to believe that reality is exactly the opposite of what the state says it is! Perfect 100% negative correlation!
And if you turn around and shoot back at me "so what makes you so sure he's guilty" then you get the #facepalm card.
Like I said. Same sheep. Different flock.
Unfortunately, we are continuing to indiscriminately kill civilians using drone strikes, and we are continuing to torture innocent people (see this, this, this, and this).
Who the F is "we"? We as in you are not talking about me.
We as in O muslim, we as in Iranian Valerie Jarrett, we as in David Axelrod a Jew? There are not any Christians running the drones you moron.
Dojifar or whatever his name one was a big muzzie supporter of O and gave him shout out tweets. The golfing guy killing other muslims with drones.
Yea, I don't think we are on the same page George. You are straining at a gnat and swallowing the camel on this one. Every soveriegn nation has a responsibility and a duty to determine who they let into the country and it should not be determined by what the applicant wants or needs, it should be based on what is GOOD for that country. Assuaging the political and academic guilt by allowing them into a community like the liberal hot bed "hate America" groupthink like Cambridge Mass where that hatred is fertilized and nurtured, when at the same time you are bombing the shit out of the same like minded folks you are massaging and grooming, yea, not good.
But let some bible thumper in an act of protected free speech burn a fucking koran and the entire world goes up in smoke with the help of the MSM. Perhaps they should wrap the koran in the american flag prior to burning and it would be all better? No? didn't think so.
I don't think anyone will be burned at the stake over this but let one white guy south of the mason dixon line and fly a confederate flag over his double wide and DHS buys a billion more rounds. Trust me on this, them bullets ain't designed for muslims bub.
"Please don't kill everyone who looks muslim just because...."
Nice headline, asshole. Here's one for you: "Please don't write sanctimonious, patronizing, politically-correct screeds with condescending little headlines just because you obviously assume everyone but you is a backwards, ignorant, mouth-breathing clod."
What the other guy said: Fuck off, George.
George, there was no mass outbreak of hostilities towards muslims in this country after 9-11, and there won't be one this time. To make your point you quote the huffington post with nonsense articles about sikhs being criminalized. Crime happens. Even to Sikhs. There was, and is, plenty of crime to go around for everyone. At all times. To look at crime commited against members of a certain group and claim it is racism; or whatever, is specious. Also, huffington post and its ilk also claim the Tea Party is all about racism. If they will perpetrate that unsubstantiated lie, why should we believe anything they say?
We should, however, limit immigration for certain groups or regions if they have large numbers of political or religious extremists. We should also crack down on the "prestigious" universities and institutions that pander to immigrants and convince them that the country they immigrated to, to get a chance at a good life, is evil and the root of their problems and perceived injustices. These clowns in boston, and others like them would probably be good hardworking citizens if they weren't taught (indoctrinated) that they were victims of capitalist oppression and evil white people.
I have to admit, I couldn't read your whole article because I could tell within the first few paragraphs (sentences?) that the bullshit was strong with this one. The old, "When did you stop beating your wife?" tactic.
Not your best, george.
George, there was no mass outbreak of hostilities towards muslims in this country after 9-11...
Incisive point!
The mass outbreak of hostilities towards Muslims in this country after 9-11 took place in their countries!
Iraq. Libya. Syria. Afghanistan.
Spreading democracy(and central banking!)one heroin\oil pipeline at a time!
GW's attitude is infuriating! He and the far Left continue to insist that there is some nascent jihad brewing against Muslims. It is absurd. On the contrary, news media (NPR, CNN, CBS - the ones I watched) were almost desperate to play down the Muslim angle, repeately asking us not to judge or take action as if folks with pitchforks were marching to the nearest mosque. What's amazing is the restraint Americans have shown and the repeated blahfanities from on high about not assessing blame.
GW is on another "nobody's at fault" tirade with the US occupation theme. The overthrow of the Iranian leader was over 60 years ago! And sorry, but the idea that any part of the world is "sacred" is nuts. We should simply leave the Mideast, develop alternate fuels and use our own and watch them return to the Middle Ages
I taught English to Mideast refugees and know that the overwhelming majority of Muslims are not extremists, don't give a damn about Israel or Gaza or Iran. Those who perpetrated the Boston Bombing were just as Muslim as the "Christians" who bombed the abortion clinics. Why can't folks become good atheists and just get along? LOL
Evidently GW is associated closely with some of goat screwing, child raping muslims. He likes it.
It would not be fair to consider these two bombers to be associated with the religious fanatics who regularly operate as suicide bombers on the school bus. These muslim Boston Bombers are different from the muslims who regularly blow up the mosques of the other sect or burn Christian churches.
Finally, we know that these two Boston Bombers are no more representative of all muslims than Adam Lanza is a representative of 100,000,000 American gun owners. However, if it will save the life of just one child, we should have a registry of anyone who proclaims to be a follower of Mohammed.
we should have a registry of anyone who proclaims to be a follower of Mohammed.
Good thinking. But we don't need anymore stinkin bureaucrats soakin up the money we need to send over to Israel to protect our freedoms! I suggest we privatize the work to one of those trustworthy security outfits like what guards our airports and seaports...don't have any phone numbers right handy, but if you google "Mossad" I think some names will come up.
xactly.
Where is the liberal call to banning muslims ?
Liberals don't screw around talkin shit...
they act decisively...
to send you tax $ overseas to fund 'islamic jihadists' in places like Libya, now Syria, and still other places soon to come. Any pocket change left over in the black budget automatically somehow ends up in a bank in tel aviv.
But this may be a lil over yur head.
Now the original George Washington said something slightly different...
President George Washington warned Congress in 1793, speaking of the Barbary Pirates: "If we desire to avoid insult, we must be able to repel it; if we desire to secure peace...it must be known that we are at all times ready for war." This speech led directly to the creation of the U.S. Navy in 1794.
The only language state sponsors of Islamic terrorism understand is force. Diplomacy, bribery and appeasement, in the end, are a fruitless waste of time and resources.