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Boston Terror Narrative Starts Falling Apart
We have no idea whether or not the Chechen brothers Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev were the Boston terrorists.
But several parts of the official narrative are already falling apart.
Initially, the claim that they robbed a 7-11 is totally false. USA Today reported on April 19th:
There was a 7-Eleven robbery in Cambridge last night, but it had nothing to do with the Boston Marathon bombing suspects.
Margaret Chabris, the director of corporate communication at 7- Eleven, says the surveillance video of the crime was not taken at a 7-Eleven and that the suspect that did rob the 7-Eleven does not look like Tamerlan or Dzhokhar Tsarnaev.
"The suspect in the photos for that particular 7-Eleven robbery looks nothing like the suspects," Chabris says. "The police or someone made a mistake. Someone was confused."
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At an earlier press conference morning, when [State Police Superintendent Timothy Alban] described the manhunt and standoff that resulted in the death of an MIT police officer, he also said that the two brothers robbed a 7-Eleven.
Moreover, the FBI initially denied ever having spoken with either of the brothers. But CBS news notes:
The FBI admitted Friday they interviewed the now-deceased Boston Marathon bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev two years ago and failed to find any incriminating information about him.
Other oddities include the following:
- According to the head cross country coach at the University of Mobile - a marathon runner who has run in numerous big races - bomb-sniffing dogs and a bomb squad inspected the runners ... and authorities repeatedly announced over the loudspeaker that they were conducting drills. This occurred at the start of the Boston marathon. He believes that authorities must have had credible evidence of a bomb threat
- Neoconservatives provided substantial support to terrorists in Chechnya
- Chechens have previously been framed (by the Russians) for terrorist acts which they probably didn't commit
Again, they might be guilty. But as Glenn Greenwald notes:
The overarching principle here should be that Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is entitled to a presumption of innocence until he is actually proven guilty. As so many cases have proven - from accused (but exonerated) anthrax attacker Stephen Hatfill to accused (but exonerated) Atlanta Olympic bomber Richard Jewell to dozens if not hundreds of Guantanamo detainees accused of being the "worst of the worst" but who were guilty of nothing - people who appear to be guilty based on government accusations and trials-by-media are often completely innocent. Media-presented evidence is no substitute for due process and an adversarial trial.
Indeed, the FBI said it was sure that Bruce Ivins was the anthrax killer (after falsely accusing 2 other people of being the culprits).
However, the National Academy of Science found that the FBI failed to prove its case.
Note: Media said that the door-to-door searches conducted in Watertown were voluntary. However - whether or not you agree with the need to do so - the searches were not always exactly voluntary.
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I assume your talking about the 8-year-old kid blown to pieces at the Boston Marathon - or the 20 year with both his legs blown off beneath the knee - right?
I saw pictures, videos that demonstrate it was all staged.
I'm wondering, seriously, if there was people actually injured.
I've tourned cartesian about anything that comes from US gvt, US agencies.
I've been following the entire "process of barbarization", including hollywood movies that justify torture.
Anyway civilized people don't massacre "suspects".
Congratulations - you win the triple-crown : stupid, illiterate, AND sociopathic.
Says the one who claims the SUSPECTS are guilty with ZERO proof.
Or can you link me some PROOF you know... Beyond reasonable doubt? Please, id love to check it out ;)
Sheeplet
Oh, it's so intelligent insulting people without giving answers, explanations, evidence.
Interesting...that it was yours to offer.
edit: this comment has been downticked by the opposing party....
in complete violation of fight club rulz....but complete accordance with the pattern of violations visibly transacted by the mindcontrolled minions of the moneypowerz on this and other GW threads!
ultimate loserdom. Nuff said.
I failed to mention that from the hundreds of video's that people took at the scene, it looked like the spec-ops type people, and there were many, many of them, were having some sort of a back-pack convention, all having the same exact one as the one that exploded.
I've looked at the film and picture images and I don't see the backpack on the suspect number 2. He even admitted he was the guy to the car jack victim. Also, I will add I don't see a backpack on the Craft guy either and this needs to be investigated.
I certainly don't trust Obama and his administration's foreign policy. I believe this all is tied in with Benghazi, the Muslim Brotherhood, and the pro Syrian rebel (Al-Queda) connections in the WH. You might recall the Syrian rebels have stated they would take Americas help in Syria. Once the Syrian government is overthrown then they would turn to fight the US and Israel. Al-Queda is not our friend and it's proven over and over again.
***He even admitted he was the guy to the car jack victim***
What ever happened to the carjacked victim? Did they ever announce his name? Has he been interviewed by anyone in the press? This guy seems to have been flushed down the memory hole.
A little more info and as you note his name is withheld though now we know he is Chinese...
http://abcnews.go.com/US/alleged-bombers-carjack-victim-barely-escaped-g...
There's a logical explanation. The two kids stoled back packs from 2 Navy Seals, put the bombs in the stolen backpacks and then blew up the bombs and walked away with their own backpacks. They were aided by Ron Paul supporter right wing extremists who were setting up the government to look like a false flag operation. I'm pretty sure that's what happened. Our government would never lie to us about something like this. We all know that there are thousands of domestic terrorists within the Ron Paul patriot group. The FBI and TSA know this. They train their agents about this. If we could just get rid of the Ron Paul terrorist menace, we could free up thousands of agents to go investigate bank fraud.
I even went on snopes.com to check out the common myths about the Boston Bombing...
And guess what?
There was no mention of the private military group on site (CRAFT or Seal Team five or Blackwater or whatever...)
http://www.naturalnews.com/039977_The_Craft_Boston_marathon_private_military_contractors.html
But none of that is being covered by the media and we all know that the media is interested only in the truth. For example, I recall quite clearly that they correctly reported with high confidence that Saddam had WMDs, not to mention that the 9/11 hijackers were connected to Saddam. How I miss the first days of Shock and Awe and the endless graphics showing us the cool planes we were using to kill the terrorists who took down the towers.
we all know if there was a conspiracy involving our government the crack team of reporters at Fox News and the New York Times would have busted open the story by now.
You really shoulda used a /sarc tag on that, there are impressionable children playing on this site...
and you failed to mention we have still not seen the video of them dropping their backpacks
obviously i'll believe the State and Local officials before i believe the FBI and the Attorney General. Everyone in Boston knows the reputation of the FBI in Boston: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitey_Bulger the FBI first denying they knew these two clowns when without a doubt once the picture came out they knew exactly who they were is not good. having said that the Bureau could be getting set up by the Russians too, let alone the terrorist types...go ahead and ask them about these guys...i'm sure you'll get one hell of a story from them as well. did the brothers not even do it? that slab of spaghetti will have a hard time sticking to the wall methinks. if Junior has admitted to the crime...then "covered mom and his brother's wife's tracks" by claiming "they just came up with the idea" sure is a head scratcher to me. Junior just became a US Citizen last September. the term "that was quick change of heart" comes to mind. unlike war ("truth is the first casualty") this type of stuff is to me where "playing the bullshitski card" really doesn't work (if it is being played of course.) if i were the Administration i would not be using the "WMD Crock Pot Charge" to cover up for what is viewed as incompetence "at their level." this is ESPECIALLY true if it is true. not an expert but "keeping the trust level between top cop and local police force" seems the very essence of fighting this as a "criminal matter." again however...i'm no expert and if the pro's believe "it's a story line that matters to the public the most" then storyline it is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANcuDQbXYw0
GW, ya gotta stop with your anal-cranial inversion. There was never any report, other than AP, since 0400 on the day, that the two assholes, "speedbump" and No. 2, hit the 7-11, they might have been buying non-halal slim-jimz, though.
That morning, the store camera video was released and no one around here, at least those without their heads firmly up their asses, was making the claim that you are making a week later.
- Ned
And AP, well, they were mostly behind the curve in real-time and in follow-up, still are, and you are echoing their shit.
Ned, you're getting in the way of self-righteous venom. Just give George a little time to find some circular links. Tautolojournalism takes time.
because the shit that the MSM pumps out is sacrosant.
Because the MSM is completely incompetent, rushing around "to be first with the story", doesn't mean these two fucks are as pure as the wind driven snow.
Still no "conspiracy theorists" commenting on "older brother" taking a trip to Dagestan & Chenya last year, for six months, I see.
Why-is-that?
Whilst on the payroll of alCIAda, "Tim Osman" made numerous trips to hotbeds of "radical islamist"* assembly zones...
and until his death in 2001 continued to work on behalf of various sionazi-controlled falseflag Merikan "intelligence" agencies to further the PNAC inspired plan to create a new war pitting east against west.
What's your point?????????????????????????
*"Radical Islam" ...a phony movement of paid dupes fully under the mindcontrol of various sionazi-controlled programs to undermine the sovereignity of certain Asia countries with abundant natural resources...an oxymoron similar in intent and effect to "Christian Zionism" ...or 'secular Judaism'...
Aaah.... Tim Osman....
The name the CIA assigned to Osama Bin Laden, when he worked for them. Do you ever stop working for the Mafia? Or do you just wait for your next assignment? In Tim's case, he died, but they still needed to use him and his boogeyman status for a couple more years.
I actually just posted a link regarding that above. I haven't heard anyone claiming that he did not make that trip and I think officials were aware of it (in contrast to their claim that that they "missed" it because the airline spelled his name incorrectly):
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-boston-bombings-and-the-fbi-official-tsarnaev-story-makes-no-sense/5332535
Arkadaba, your link:
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He made the trip, its irrefutable. Its also irrefutable he engaged in a gun & grenade battle with cops in Watertown which left him room temp, that is dead...and his baby brother wounded.
sometimes there's more than one "bad guy." Just because people hate us, and despite any validity for their reasons, doesn't mean the "bad guys" who "run this place" wouldn't kill a citizen, a group of them, a business, a group of them, or any other thing or sporting event if it served their purpose or, more likely, their masters. We talk about that every day and so does Nmewn. Nmewn is right when he says there's a lot of "bad guys" out there trying to hurt us. But his debaters are right too. Like any "great" empire, we "create" a lot people who hate us, intentionally and unintentionally and we (or shoud I say they) use them constantly to forward our (or should I say their) hypocritical, un-democratic, and murderous goals. This is just human history as "black" as that is.
CD and many others remind us that we should not trust a single thing our government (or its media outlets) tell us. This is always a constant but, like history, some moments in time are hotter than others. This is one and it has everything to do with resource. No one is a winner here. No one is innocent.
"Nmewn is right when he says there's a lot of "bad guys" out there trying to hurt us. But his debaters are right too."
I appreciate the vote of confidence Davey. Its not that I don't think they are capable (they are) its that I require a little more than mere speculation and an incompetent media being proven wrong on a few things to prove some devious plot.
And I tend to agree with Chindit below...the place is being overrun with conspiracy theorists. Not everything is a conspiracy or some larger entity pulling the strings on events.
Sometimes people do really evil things without any provocation at all and/or pick the wrong targets and/or just lash out because they're pissed. None of these bombing victims did anything to deserve this just as the children, parents and teachers of Beslan, Chechnya (the school) did nothing to their attackers.
Some peoples minds, just ain't right.
The map is not the territory. Send me yer picture and I can photoshop (<--really bad example here) yer head onto a wildebeest. "Trust NO one."
If you re going to make such dumb statements would you please change your picture so as to not besmirch the venerable V
You do realize V was a fictional character don't you? Its not the man, its the ideals he stood for.
But back on topic, you dispute he made the trip? You dispute the gun/bomb battle with police? Then you've placed reality in the same jar with your sanity. You're devoid of both.
Nmewn suffers from reality syndrome. He hasn't learned the deletion, distortion, generalization method of thinking.
Sirhan Sirhan was present in the kitchen when RFK was assassinated. It's irrefutable that he had a gun. It's irrefutable that he was convicted of the crime.
It's 'irrefutable' that he did it????...err,...not so much.
LH Oswald was present in Dallas the day JFK was assassinated. It irrefutable that .....
and on and on and on....Patsy Patissierre... baked by the Phony Pharisees
alCIAQueda...MK Ultra...mindwar on Merikans since 1948.
With all due respect....Wake the fuck up and stop spoutin sio-nazi claptrap.
Of course, you can PROVE that these "nice boys" were CIA?
nice boys...CIA...
maybe you mean ADS...think yu musta caught it!
...yu been hangin out at "Freddies" 'backdoor'???
Anyone can hurl accusations around, cast innuendo and try to impugn peoples character. It requires no real proof does it?
Well, so can I ;-)
It may very well be that YOU (Joyful) are a spook, sent here to see what whacko moonbats pop up to the surface, so they can be surveiled.
What do think about that ole man, pretty close to what you're doing?...lol.
What part of "we don't trust what the MSM tells us and prefer to rely on our own eyes" don't you understand, Newman? If you choose to believe what your television or Drudge Report or whatever is your source of MSM news tells you that is your right, but don't come on here spouting "facts" from MSM as proof that we're wrong to question MSM. Did you look at the pictures? What is your explanation for those tan and black guys? Do you even care? You know the MSM also says quite factually that Ben Bernanke saved the universe and the stock market is the best place to park your money. Agree with that too?
Idiotrand...GW is picking and choosing MSM sources.
Don't you find that the least bit...oh I don't know, conficting? Or are you so conflicted in yourself you can't see straight?
newman.........you like freddie, are blinded by your love of Israel..........
The "boys" didn't attack Israel you bonehead. They attacked long distance runners & spectators...in Boston.
Man the stupid is deep in here.
here in deep...is stupid the man...
israel attacked the long distance runners and spectators....bonehead...
what part of "9-11" did you fail to get caught up on>???/yu some kind of dancin 'sraeli?
OK and Israel caused the sun to rise and sun to set too. Yawn, ho hum blah blah blah. So you wake up every day and blame Israel for the sun rising so why shouldn't I expect you to blame them for the marathon bombing.
http://www.roitov.com/articles/ravanuttzvait.htm ...
from the article...
Nice one Frosty; looks like we goys can expect a pretty 'chilly' reception from the chosen coneheads huh?
Yo...you a double or a triple scooped kook?
I am disgusted and amazed that after repeated, obvious, well-documented major "mistakes" of the press as outlined in this article and elsewhere surrounding the home country of the alleged 9/11 hijackers, the basis for the Iraq war, the prior anthrax attacks, the Olympic bombing, etc., that the vast majority of Americans still sit glued to their TVs and assume that they are hearing facts instead of a story. Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me 50 times, I'm a typical American.
It is called "programming" after all...
I'm disgusted & amazed that GW takes any MSM story-line as gospel and discards any other...narrative, much, really?...lol.
I have other things to do tonight, but one last thought (not that I expect you will listen because your mind is closed). If what we are talking about is completely silly and without basis, why isn't the MSM and the FBI addressing it and debunking it with facts, video, photos, anything? Ask yourself why questions that millions of people have and that can be found ALL over the internet is completely ignored by your sources of truth. You can't tell me the press/your trusted government officials are not aware of these questions being asked.
Most of the questions you're asking are bullshit questions maybe?
Do you really think a fifty cops chased down these "boys" to an intersection and didn't have home made grenades thrown at them and engage in a gun battle?
Are YOU...you fucking conspiracy freak of everything under the sun as soon as it happens...going to answer why "older brother" went to Dagestan & Chechnya last year? You're held to the same standard aren't you? I ask a question, answer it damn it!...lol.
You have the same internet as government don't you? Answer...I demand it!!! ;-)
What an idiot.
Not saying I'm buying the 'official narrative' (whatever that means), but I wouldn't expect the FBI to tip their hand prior to trial.
Especially if there are other leads to follow up.
It's not law enforcement's job to make you feel more comfortable with your perceived world view...
"FBI to tip their hand prior to trail"
We've gone way, way, beyond them worrying about tipping their hand in any legal sense. Look at what they're doing to create the trial. It's in a recent N.Y. Times article of them creating the terrorist events.
They have created more "Terrorist" events, through pressure, negotiating plea deals, and every other bribe or nasty exchange that anyone or group gets offered in order to keep "The War On Terror" in the top of the mind awareness category. These artificially generated events, ones that would not happen except for their resources, instigating, and dedication to their task (create terrorists if none exist) are what matters in keeping this "meme" alive and sucking the funds out of everyone, and into their coffers.
The recent report on fusion centers says there are virtually no domestic terrorists.
So why, when the system for fairness and constitutional principals have gone to the wayside, would this "tip their hand" be of such importance?