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Boston Terror Narrative Starts Falling Apart
We have no idea whether or not the Chechen brothers Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev were the Boston terrorists.
But several parts of the official narrative are already falling apart.
Initially, the claim that they robbed a 7-11 is totally false. USA Today reported on April 19th:
There was a 7-Eleven robbery in Cambridge last night, but it had nothing to do with the Boston Marathon bombing suspects.
Margaret Chabris, the director of corporate communication at 7- Eleven, says the surveillance video of the crime was not taken at a 7-Eleven and that the suspect that did rob the 7-Eleven does not look like Tamerlan or Dzhokhar Tsarnaev.
"The suspect in the photos for that particular 7-Eleven robbery looks nothing like the suspects," Chabris says. "The police or someone made a mistake. Someone was confused."
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At an earlier press conference morning, when [State Police Superintendent Timothy Alban] described the manhunt and standoff that resulted in the death of an MIT police officer, he also said that the two brothers robbed a 7-Eleven.
Moreover, the FBI initially denied ever having spoken with either of the brothers. But CBS news notes:
The FBI admitted Friday they interviewed the now-deceased Boston Marathon bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev two years ago and failed to find any incriminating information about him.
Other oddities include the following:
- According to the head cross country coach at the University of Mobile - a marathon runner who has run in numerous big races - bomb-sniffing dogs and a bomb squad inspected the runners ... and authorities repeatedly announced over the loudspeaker that they were conducting drills. This occurred at the start of the Boston marathon. He believes that authorities must have had credible evidence of a bomb threat
- Neoconservatives provided substantial support to terrorists in Chechnya
- Chechens have previously been framed (by the Russians) for terrorist acts which they probably didn't commit
Again, they might be guilty. But as Glenn Greenwald notes:
The overarching principle here should be that Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is entitled to a presumption of innocence until he is actually proven guilty. As so many cases have proven - from accused (but exonerated) anthrax attacker Stephen Hatfill to accused (but exonerated) Atlanta Olympic bomber Richard Jewell to dozens if not hundreds of Guantanamo detainees accused of being the "worst of the worst" but who were guilty of nothing - people who appear to be guilty based on government accusations and trials-by-media are often completely innocent. Media-presented evidence is no substitute for due process and an adversarial trial.
Indeed, the FBI said it was sure that Bruce Ivins was the anthrax killer (after falsely accusing 2 other people of being the culprits).
However, the National Academy of Science found that the FBI failed to prove its case.
Note: Media said that the door-to-door searches conducted in Watertown were voluntary. However - whether or not you agree with the need to do so - the searches were not always exactly voluntary.
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"I'm not so sure they aren't guilty either, but there's a lot of unanswered questions foe sure."
I wish people would scrutinize their leaders with the same degree of skepticism.
please... dude...peeple don't have 'leaders' no more....
only overlords.
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2) boston
3) gun control
4) screen fades
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/10758174
here it comes!
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://radio.foxnew...
"The Saudi national who was initially detained and then ruled out as a suspect in the Boston Marathon terrorist attack had been flagged on a terror watch list and was granted a student visa without being properly vetted, sources have told me."
Heck, vett this guy? The babylonians are too busy perpetuating marxist-nazi-germany part 2, destroying America, taking peoples privacy rights, gun rights, and most every other right, to vett some saudi national. No time to do anything but create terrorists.
What happened with Glen Beck today? Wasn't he supposed to bust the whole story open today? Has anyone seen Glen Beck? Did he show up for work today?
http://www.alternet.org/glenn-beck-comes-most-absurd-conspiracy-theory-a...
Whatever the "truth" MIGHT be does not matter much, since reality is determined by battles between systems of lies, backed up with violence. In that real context, there is NO possible "information" that is going to matter enough to change anything ...
For instance, unless aliens landed in my back yard, and kicked my ass, I would not believe any stories in the news media regarding alleged events regarding "aliens." There is no longer the slightest chance of being able to tell whether some outrageous story about aliens is faked or not, unless it happens directly to you ... and even then, one can not be so sure.
Every attempt to sift through information about anything like these Boston bombings has to be extremely careful NOT to take anything for granted. It is extremely difficult to reconstruct any kind of more probably true story when one can not trust ANY of the possible sources of information, since anybody, or almost everybody, could be some covert disinformation source, or deluded by some disinformation source.
Glen Beck strikes me as being deluded by his own self-importance, due to him having had a relative "successful" career, getting paid lots of money for pumping out his personal kind of bullshit. However, in the bigger picture of the world being dominated by a collective group of trillionaire mass murderers, who routinely run a trilliion dollar mass media empire, pumping out their collective propaganda 24/7, NOBODY matters much in that context.
In the old days of mass media, it was possible for almost everybody to know about the current stars, and current news stories, in similar ways. Today, the markets are fragmented. The majority of people do not know, and to not care to know, the same things. Thus, there are nothing but a host of fragmented minorities, controlled by the dominate minorities, which are also losing control faster and faster, before our eyes, as we watch.
I found nothing worthwhile in Glen Beck's predictions about his information, because I find nothing worthwhile in almost any information anymore. The way that the established systems have coped with "freedom of expression" is to drown that out in an overloaded deluge of useless information. The old adage that there is "freedom of the press for those who own one" has been amplified by billions of times, to become freedom to attempt to swin through a market place of ideas, while that is being overwhelmed by tsunami after tsunami!
The old notion that "truth would be able to emerge out of the free market place of ideas" has been transformed into incoherence by the overload of billions of times too much information to ever be able to coherently assimilated!
What, no tie-in to munny-backed-by-murder? You slipping or something?
Information overload. Its one of the most preferred and useful of disinformation techniques.
http://beforeitsnews.com/terrorism/2013/04/beck-reveals-govt-cover-up-of...
Building a conspriracy theory based on fact initial reporting was wrong is lame. More than 50 percent reporting during beginning of crisis is flat wrong not because it is always an official fake story that gets debunked but rather because initial reporting is just so often wrong. I've seen it during natural disasters, earhtquakes and fires, and just during big local crime stories. No one is trying to cover anything up, but people give reporters bad info, reporter conflate things, confuse things.
Shoot, when reporters have time, they confuse things...as a technical person, I see magazine articles I have contributed info and quotes for, get several technical things wrong, not because of sources were wrong but because journalist is shallow, working quickly, and just arent getting things told to them... becuase they are not doing painful back and forth to get concepts, facts right. And that's when the reporter has no bias against the facts, no special interests, it gets even worse when they are looking of sensational drama, certain political biases, and are trying to get scoops out fast.
I understand the the younger suspect may have shoplifted at the 711, not robbed the cashier, which could be explanation of conflation. Its still not clear how MIT cop was shot or by whom, he may have not even been shot by the Tamerlins, they didnt have his shooting in the charges against Johar filed today.
Eventually whole story will come out and either it will hold up or not...but assuming misreporting during crisis coverage is indication of a conspiracy is just not supported. Misreporting, conflation, confusion, just plain false reports always happen even in none political crises.
I don't watch TV because it is total propaganda and brainwashing. Has anyone come up with anything on when and why the MIT cop was killed?? I don't get it. Is there campus anywhere near their apartments or dorm at Dartmouth/MA campus?? MIT is in Cambridge. Why would they shoot this guy if they were in hiding? Did the cop recognize them on campus?
It was the bombing, partying then straight to the hijacking, death of older brother & supposed shootout then hiding in the boat???
Facial recognition software is extremely accurate now, measuring exact degree of cheeck angle and retina spacing to fraction of mm.
So: a few years ago the FBI interveiwed the deceased suspect a few years ago, for alleged ties to Chechyan terrorism group. Either the FBI photographed him and downloaded image data into their database at that time or some particular FBI agent needs either lifetime prison sentence for criminal negligence or worse charge.
Fast forward to last Thursday 17:00 hours in Boston. FBI publishes the above suspect's image and does not disclose his name.
Now:
Did FBI know his name and not disclose it because to disclose his name proves they dropped the ball? Or does their not disclosing it portend something more evil and sinister?
they had his fingerprints and DNA as well.
once the FBI "talks" to someone, they do a cavity search
releasing the pics to the general public and then playing cat and mouse while holding a million people hostage and searching their homes was over the top bullshit
second the software point
I thought they took bio info. on everyone as they enter thru customs. If he took the trip would they not ask about his activies on this trip? From which country was his passport? I have heard they missed him because they misspelled his name on the no fly list. What of this uncle who lives in Maryland? I heard Maryland and assumed govt association. The neighbors of the wifes family said she was living in RI with her parents. Now she is said to be living in Cambridge with the men.
The 3 youths in New Bedford were arrested then released. The consulate visited the apt. Then 2 are rearrested on Saturday by ICE. A lot of loose ends.
Were The “Black and Tan” Men at the Boston Marathon National Guard Civil Support Teams?
George,
I have posted on this topic here and here and am still not convinced of Craft International's involvement. The founder of CI woould roll over in his grave if this were put forth while he was alive, in my opinion. I have listed my rationale and would welcome your further comments on this rationale.
DaddyO
Consider the following scenario: CI receives a tip that a "dirty" bomb will explode at the Marathon (explaining the need for radiation detector(s)). Unbeknownst to them, they are being set up as the fall guys for the real operation. Still, they have enough cred' with the FBI to get their presence suppressed from the MSM.
There's a distinct possibility that there's more than one organization tripping over one another at this latest fiasco, with innocent people getting caught in the middle, perhaps even the two Chechans that allegedly set off the bombs.
Kinda surprised no one's tied in Area51, the Lizard people, or the KGB...c'mon folks, you're more creative than you realize.
Dear Idiots
Craft International is NOT A PRIVATE CONTRACTOR. They do not do contract security. They train LEO and military, look at their website.
moneymutt you are soooo full of shit
back to your cage scumbag msm shill
erased from google and google cache but captured here
from the 'resurrected' principle after the Newton massacre
http://ctrlq.org/files/screenshots/4a10eb338c4265b47e09ec057f922990.png
and the redacted version
http://ctrlq.org/files/screenshots/4d5136646cd507dccdc427fd74fa29da.png
What are we supoosed to be seeing here?
EDIT: Never mind. Now I see.
Maybe it's my browser (Chrome) but both links look the same (redacted). But I know what they show -- same three guys at Netwon. Coinkidink.
a couple of young misguided boys from Cambridge
end of story (at least it is for the Huff PUKES)
Speaking of Huff PUKE their founder the luvly Arianna and her blood stained mattress http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2013/04/02/arianna_huffington_apartmenttra...
Dude, everyone is very careful what to say and where to say it.
The government or factions of government were involved or had advance knowledge. EOS
12 years after the 9/11 conspiracy false flag and Americans are much more doubtful.
When this happened in Nazi Germany, the propaganda was ineffective.
Be careful who you speak with and what you say. This is a fascist country and the armies of law enforcement will knock your house down if you call them out on their bullshit. The Nazis did this under Nazi laws which allowed the government to treat every citizen as suspect of treason and lock people up indefinitely. Sounds familiar?
But maybe you're of the tribe who will be cheering when the goon squad parades through the streets after a successful street battle.
We're talking about media\government irresponsibility and you want to rag about Ariana Huffington? WTF is wrong with you?
He didn't think there were any Huffers reading ZH. It's not the typical demographic here, Maybe they'll learn what's wrong with central planning.
Not apologizing for the idiot Huffington posters or for her (though I note she denies the allegations and claims the owner is just trying to extort money), but there are plenty of idiots out there when it comes to this issue. The vast majority of the public has already convicted the guy on the media's almost invariably incorrect "evidence," and of course many prominent Republican leaders just want to hustle him off to Cuba never to be heard from again. I imagine the majority of Americans probably agree with that view. Between the "it's gotta be a muslim" crowd and the "it's gotta be a right-wingnut" crowd, most of America is hell bent on creating whatever narrative suits its agenda, none of which is concerned with whether this whole thing is trumped up. In short -- we're doomed.
And here you sometimes give the impression that Big Brother is necessary...could it be you might be wrong about that?
http://www.madcowprod.com/2013/04/22/was-boston-bombers-uncle-ruslan-wit...
http://www.infowars.com/tsarnaev-aunt-claims-naked-man-in-video-is-tamer...
As George Washington notes, the FBI's conspiracy theory that they've tried to sell is falling apart.
It will be interesting to see where it ends up.
Am I going crazy?....or is the double emputy got one of his legs back?
check this pictures in this article : http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/22/boston-suspect-denies-terrorist...
To those who think this is a conspiracy theory cooked up from thin air, look at these PHOTOS OF THE SHOOTOUT BTW THE BROTHERS & POLICE http://www.getonhand.com/blogs/news/7743337-boston-bombing-suspect-shoot...
...yeah. They did it.
You don't understand the conspiracy mentality. You're using evidence, common sense and testimony to arrive at a conclusion. They are using ideology (the US is evil) to reach their conclusion. There is no common meeting ground when one side says no matter what the evidence show, they KNOW it was an inside job.
For them history is not the result of trails and errors, cause and effect, accidents and choices. No,with religious fervor they believe all history is a game run by shadowy groups who, although they can act with impunity, decide to topple governments, corner the gold, kill inventors of 100 mpg engines and oh yeah, set off 2 lousy pressure bombs at an amateur sports event. They got every friend, bystander, hijacked victim, relative\s and law enforcement to make up stories, invent tweets, implant web searches on two fine young men who happened to be armed with a few pipe bombs.
I can't figure why they come to rant at ZH if "they" can do whatever they want. Aren't they scared of "them"? Why try to change things in the first place if the world is not real?
If the comments below the photos are accurate, the bullet hole in the west facing wall must have been made by a bullet fired by police. Could easily have killed the owner of the chair. Good shooting guys!
These are well-researched and interesting stories that may be highly relevant. If only such zeal for independent skeptical examination existed in 2001, because the official story of 9/11 is the easiest one to disprove of all. mossad's Crime of the Century didn't get the scrutiny it so greatly (still) deserves...
Indeed. I'll never forget the TV interview of the Israeli prime minister right after 9/11 happened. "This is a great thing. This is really great..ermhh I mean horrible...". Can't find that interview video anywhere on the net, but his smile is engraved in my mind.
Perhaps a newer version will do?
http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2013/04/22/israel-cashing-in-on-boston-...
Here is the old one too:
http://www.haaretz.com/news/report-netanyahu-says-9-11-terror-attacks-go...
That video with the naked guy being arrested is interesting. Is there any word on who he was?
I downloaded it in HD and looked for a clean image. It's not great but, I compared it to some images of "the dead bomber" and there is most definitely a resemblance. Specifically, the hairline in profile, the eyebrow shape, the jawline, the torso, arms and shoulders all seem like a damn close match.
The images are a little fuzzy but a clean studio version of that tape should provide a very clear image. Very interesting.
The picture of the "dead guy" is NOT Tamerlan, it's either fake or some other poor soul (possibly killed in Guantanamo).
Compare the naked guy to the dozens of photos of Tamerlan in the gym and you will quickly recognise (like the aunt did) that is him.
TMZ is all over this story
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjdH2LDH5LM
spoiler: uganda, not chechenskaya
Interesting links.
Where it ends up? Same place as the undeniable fact that most of the alleged 9/11 hijackers were Saudi which is available for anyone and everyone to see, yet the vast majority of the public will still tell you they were from Iraq or Afghanistan. It will end up being an endless discussion on message boards like this one where MSM shills and their sheep will call us conspiracy theorists or terrorist sympathizers for daring to question the official story. It will end up being the cause for another major law that will further erode what few rights we all have left, in the name of freedom and security. It will end up being another war against an enemy who has something "they" want.
your last sentence is the cognac of history boiled down to one sentence... with a painful hangover
so certain that the hijakers were Saudi? I mean, after all... a number of them turned up alive and well after 911... oddly, the MSM doesn't report this fact.
Please. This has been refuted so many times it's getting old. (1) Some who claimed they were "alive" did so before 9/27 when the FBI released the official photos. (2) every hijacker family was interviewed and all said they lost someone (or "were martyred") that day. None said, "My son is still alive."
(3) Arabia suffers from "same name syndrome" - Ahmad, Mohammed, Hassan, and Abdul comprise 65% of all male Arabs. (4 Most telling, not one post-911 interview has been conducted (even by those claiming to know where they are) nor has any video been released by one of the "live" hijackers. You'd think it would've surfaced on You Tube, home to countless conspiracy videos accompanied by scary music.
today's teaspoonful of conspiracy
http://www.af.mil/information/bios/bio.asp?bioID=9370
wapo story
The encouraging thing about all of the carnage and death is that one of two things are certain..
Either the government did this for nefarious purposes or..
They f”d it up beyond all recognition because their guys were all over this and on video.
Q.E.D.
Latest headline is that the brothers did NOT have ties to any other group. That's a relief.... and very believable.
You are apparently reading the wrong headlines.
Iran panics over Boston bombing link to Tehran
http://www.wnd.com/2013/04/iran-panics-over-boston-bombing-link-to-tehran/