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Non-Muslims Carried Out More than 90% of All Terrorist Attacks on U.S. Soil

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An FBI report shows that only a small percentage of terrorist attacks carried out on U.S. soil between 1980 and 2005 were perpetrated by Muslims.

Princeton University’s Loon Watch compiled the following chart from the FBI’s data (as explained below, this chart is over-simplified … and somewhat inaccurate):

Terrorist Attacks on U.S. Soil by Group, From 1980 to 2005, According to FBI DatabaseTerrorist Attacks on U.S. Soil by Group, From 1980 to 2005, According to FBI Database

According to this data, there were more Jewish acts of terrorism within the United States than Islamic (7% vs 6%).  These radical Jews committed acts of terrorism in the name of their religion.  These were not terrorists who happened to be Jews; rather, they were extremist Jews who committed acts of terrorism based on their religious passions, just like Al-Qaeda and company.

(The chart is misleading in several ways. For example, it labels "Extreme Left Wing Groups" and "Communists", but not "Extreme Right Wing Groups" or "Fascists". It should have either discarded all partisan labels, or included labels for both ends of the spectrum.  In addition, "Latinos" is misleading, as Loonwatch is actually referring to Puerto Rican separatist groups, Cuban exile groups and the like.  However, as shown below, many of the basic concepts are correct.)

U.S. News and World Report noted in February of this year:

Of the more than 300 American deaths from political violence and mass shootings since 9/11, only 33 have come at the hands of Muslim-Americans, according to the Triangle Center on Terrorism and Homeland Security. The Muslim-American suspects or perpetrators in these or other attempted attacks fit no demographic profile—only 51 of more than 200 are of Arabic ethnicity. In 2012, all but one of the nine Muslim-American terrorism plots uncovered were halted in early stages. That one, an attempted bombing of a Social Security office in Arizona, caused no casualties.

Wired reported the same month:

Since 9/11, [Charles Kurzman, Professor of Sociology at University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, writing for the Triangle Center on Terrorism and National Security] and his team tallies, 33 Americans have died as a result of terrorism launched by their Muslim neighbors. During that period, 180,000 Americans were murdered for reasons unrelated to terrorism. In just the past year, the mass shootings that have captivated America’s attention killed 66 Americans, “twice as many fatalities as from Muslim-American terrorism in all 11 years since 9/11,” notes Kurzman’s team.

 

Law enforcement, including “informants and undercover agents,” were involved in “almost all of the Muslim-American terrorism plots uncovered in 2012,” the Triangle team finds. That’s in keeping with the FBI’s recent practice of using undercover or double agents to encourage would-be terrorists to act on their violent desires and arresting them when they do — a practice critics say comes perilously close to entrapment. A difference in 2012 observed by Triangle: with the exception of the Arizona attack, all the alleged plots involving U.S. Muslims were “discovered and disrupted at an early stage,” while in the past three years, law enforcement often observed the incubating terror initiatives “after weapons or explosives had already been gathered.”

 

The sample of Muslim Americans turning to terror is “vanishingly small,” Kurzman tells Danger Room. Measuring the U.S. Muslim population is a famously inexact science, since census data don’t track religion, but rather “country of origin,” which researchers attempt to use as a proxy. There are somewhere between 1.7 million and seven million American Muslims, by most estimates, and Kurzman says he operates off a model that presumes the lower end, a bit over 2 million. That’s less a rate of involvement in terrorism of less than 10 per million, down from a 2003 high of 40 per million, as detailed in the chart above.

 

Yet the scrutiny by law enforcement and homeland security on American Muslims has not similarly abated. The FBI tracks “geomaps” of areas where Muslims live and work, regardless of their involvement in any crime. The Patriot Act and other post-9/11 restrictions on government surveillance remain in place. The Department of Homeland Security just celebrated its 10th anniversary. In 2011, President Obama ordered the entire federal national-security apparatus to get rid of counterterrorism training material that instructed agents to focus on Islam itself, rather than specific terrorist groups.

 

Kurzman doesn’t deny that law enforcement plays a role in disrupting and deterring homegrown U.S. Muslim terrorism. His research holds it out as a possible explanation for the decline. But he remains surprised by the disconnect between the scale of the terrorism problem and the scale — and expense — of the government’s response.

 

“Until public opinion starts to recognize the scale of the problem has been lower than we feared, my sense is that public officials are not going to change their policies,” Kurzman says. “Counterterrorism policies have involved surveillance — not just of Muslim-Americans, but of all Americans, and the fear of terrorism has justified intrusions on American privacy and civil liberties all over the internet and other aspects of our lives. I think the implications here are not just for how we treat a religious minority in the U.S., but also how we treat the rights & liberties of everyone.”

We agree. And so do most Americans. Indeed – as we’ve previously documented – you’re more likely to die from brain-eating parasites, alcoholism, obesity, medical errors, risky sexual behavior or just about anything other than terrorism.

Kurzman told the Young Turks in February that Islamic terrorism “doesn’t even count for 1 percent” of the 180,000 murders in the US since 9/11.

While the Boston marathon bombings were horrific, a top terrorism expert says that the Boston attack was more like Columbine than 9/11, and that the bombers are “murderers not terrorists”.  The overwhelming majority of mass shootings were by non-Muslims.  (This is true in Europe, as well as in the U.S.)

However you classify them – murder or terrorism – the Boston bombings occurred after all of the statistical analysis set forth above. Moreover, different groups have different agendas about how to classify the perpetrators  (For example, liberal Mother Jones and conservative Breitbart disagree on how many of the perpetrators of terror attacks can  properly be classified as right wing extremists.)

So we decided to look at the most current statistics for ourselves, to do an objective numerical count not driven by any agenda.

Specifically, we reviewed all of the terrorist attacks on U.S. soil as documented by the National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism (START). (2012). Global Terrorism Database, as retrieved from http://www.start.umd.edu/gtd.

The START Global Terrorism Database spans from 1970 through 2012 (and will be updated from year-to-year), and – as of this writing – includes 104,000 terrorist incidents.  As such, it is the most comprehensive open-source database open to the public.

We counted up the number of terrorist attacks carried out by Muslims.  We excluded attacks by groups which are obviously not Muslims, such as the Ku Klux Klan, Medellin Drug Cartel, Irish Republican Army, Anti-Castro Group, Mormon extremists, Vietnamese Organization to Exterminate Communists and Restore the Nation, Jewish Defense League, May 19 Communist Order, Chicano Liberation Front, Jewish Armed Resistance, American Indian Movement, Gay Liberation Front, Aryan Nation, Jewish Action Movement, National Front for the Liberation of Cuba, or Fourth Reich Skinheads.

We counted attacks by Al Qaeda, the Taliban, Black American Moslems, or anyone who even remotely sounded Muslim … for example anyone from Palestine, Lebanon or any other Arab or Muslim country, or any name including anything sounding remotely Arabic or Indonesian (like “Al” anything or “Jamaat” anything).

If we weren’t sure what the person’s affiliation was, we looked up the name of the group to determine whether it could in any way be connected to Muslims.

Based on our review of the approximately 2,400 terrorist attacks on U.S. soil contained within the START database, we determined that approximately 60 were carried out by Muslims.

In other words, approximately 2.5% of all terrorist attacks on U.S. soil between 1970 and 2012 were carried out by Muslims.*  This is a tiny proportion of all attacks.

(We determined that approximately 118 of the terror attacks - or 4.9% - were carried out by Jewish groups such as Jewish Armed Resistance, the Jewish Defense League, Jewish Action Movement, United Jewish Underground and Thunder of Zion. This is almost twice the percentage of Islamic attacks within the United States.  In addition, there were approximately 168 attacks - or 7% - by anti-abortion activists, who tend to be Christian. Fuerzas Armadas de Liberacion Nacional  - a Puerto Rican paramilitary organization -  carried out more than 120 bomb attacks on U.S. targets between 1974 and 1983, and there were some 41 attacks by Cuban exiles, and a number of attacks by other Latin American groups. If we look at worldwide attacks - instead of just attacks on U.S. soil - Sunni Muslims are the main perpetrators of terrorism.  However: 1. Muslims are also the main victims of terror attacks worldwide; and 2. the U.S. backs the most radical types of Sunnis over more moderate Muslims and Arab secularists.)

Moreover, another study undertaken by the National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism – called ”Profiles of Perpetrators of Terrorism in the United States” – found:

Between 1970 and 2011, 32 percent of the perpetrator groups were motivated by ethnonationalist/separatist agendas, 28 percent were motivated by single issues, such as animal rights or opposition to war, and seven percent were motivated by religious beliefs. In addition, 11 percent of the perpetrator groups were classified as extreme right-wing, and 22 percent were categorized as extreme left-wing.

 

Preliminary findings from PPT-US data between 1970 and 2011 also illustrate a distinct shift in the dominant ideologies of these terrorist groups over time, with the proportion of emerging ethnonationalist/separatist terrorist groups declining and the proportion of religious terrorist groups increasing. However, while terrorist groups with religious ideologies represent 40 percent of all emergent groups from 2000-2011 (two out of five), they only account for seven percent of groups over time.

Similarly, a third study by the National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism Religion found that religion alone is not a key factor in determining which terrorists want to use weapons of mass destruction:

The available empirical data show that there is not a significant relationship between terrorist organizations’ pursuit of CBRN (chemical, biological, radiological or nuclear) weapons and the mere possession of a religious ideology, according to a new quantitative study by START researchers Victor Asal, Gary Ackerman and Karl Rethemeyer.

Therefore, Muslims are not more likely than other groups to want to use WMDs.

* The Boston marathon bombing was not included in this analysis, as START has not yet updated its database to include 2013 terrorist attacks.  3 people died in the Boston attack.  While tragic, we are confident that non-Musliims killed more than 3 during this same period.

We are not experts in terrorism analysis.  We would therefore defer to people like Kurzman on the exact number.  However, every quantitative analysis of terrorism in the U.S. we have read shows that the percent of terror attacks carried out by Muslims is far less than 10%.

Postscript: State-sponsored terrorism is beyond the scope of this discussion, and was not included in our statistical analysis.  Specifically, the following arguments are beyond the scope of this discussion, as we are focusing solely on non-state terrorism:

  • Arguments by  University of Michigan Professor Juan Cole that deaths from 20th century wars could be labeled Christian terrorism
 

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Wed, 05/01/2013 - 21:36 | 3520760 The_Dude
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International diplomacy and governmental policy have abso-fucking-lutely nothing to do with moral equivalence and cultural impacts of 2 different religions.

If you want to play that game....please compare and contrast life in Pakistan (FYI..one of the more enlightened muslim nations) for the average 14-year old that decides to speak her mind about wanting to get an education versus here is the US.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/oct/09/pakistan-girl-shot-activism-...

We can probably have a healthy debate on if this is a Christian nation (which you are trying to infer and I belive we have moved well past) but I am sure where that debate would go with you.

Please change your moniker....you disgust me.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 08:05 | 3521689 JOYFUL
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USA girls get \shot\ with sterilizing 'vaccines' by the talmudist racialist supremacist regime.

Pakistani girls get a \shot\ at birthin a couple of boys or girls what will take the appropriate revenge on all you sionist racialist appeasers and goy dupes...

winner.... Pakistan.... and all the rest of the brotherhood of mankind! loser... y'all..Dude!

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 14:10 | 3523255 The_Dude
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Seriously?!? ...Pakistan for the WIN!!  What a world you must live in....

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 05:36 | 3521549 Dr. Sandi
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Your disgust is not our problem.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 14:11 | 3523258 The_Dude
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Yeah...but your apathy and misguided intellect are mine...

Fri, 05/03/2013 - 02:59 | 3525594 Dr. Sandi
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Then I bequeath them to you, for your total immersion and enjoyment.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 21:30 | 3520756 Oldwood
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Maybe you should read the Koran.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 21:33 | 3520764 George Washington
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I've never read the Koran. But one of the top Muslim experts - an American university professor - says Islamic law forbids terrorism.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 23:21 | 3521159 joego1
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George You should really read the Koran before you write these articles it will change your point of view. Look- you can read and understand this one it's less than a couple hundred pages and easy to read and understand;

http://www.amazon.com/An-Abridged-Koran-CSPI/dp/0978552849

What I see from your statistics is that although Muslims are only .8% of the population they commit %6 percent of the terrorist attacks in the U.S. That tells me that as a group they are much more inclined to commit acts of terror against the U.S.. George, read the Koran the professor is full of shit. Use your own judgement instead of depending on "experts". I can totally understand what motivates them from reading the Koran. It becomes obvious what is happening once you understand what they are taught.

I don't hate Muslims but I do clearly see that their system of law and religion is clearly at odds with western values. The best we can hope for is relative peace between the two cultures. We can start by getting our military out of Islamic countries and that alone would go a long way to reduce terrorism. 

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 08:00 | 3521674 JOYFUL
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"abridged" korans ...like "King James" or "abridged" Christian bibles, are merely propagandic exercises disguised as scholarly renditions of original works.

You've scored zero points with your attempt to use leftist communistic aetheistic defacements of another faith's manifesto to rally the peanut gallery here. And you've read nothing at all xcept what your preconceived notions could accept. Total fail.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 09:34 | 3521965 DOT
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Only in Arabic is the Beauty and Wisdom revealed. You read Arabic, or some bullshit translation?

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 10:25 | 3522237 JOYFUL
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I read the hearts n minds of men. It's a 'talent' the Maker gave to each of us. And in yours, and your soul(less) mates here, I read the depths of a desperate hate.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 12:45 | 3522892 joego1
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For you hate equals being a non believer in a midieval cult.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 12:58 | 3522944 JOYFUL
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Don't think you're quite lucid ol sock!/
mabee jus stick to toggling the vote meter like the rest of your crew...an not overtax yurself!

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 22:33 | 3520989 GuyJeans
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Therein lies the problem, you have not read nor studied muslim sources.   In islam there is no assurance of salvation and it is allah's whim which deciides if you will enter paradise or not.  The only assurance of entry to paradise is found in the hadith Sahih Bukkari Vol 9 book 93 #555 which says that whoever carries out jihad, allah will guarantee his admittance to paradise.  

Ask your expert if islamic law forbids "terrorism" against un-believers who refuse to pay the tax and want to be free to proselytize.  Check out surah 5:33  "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned" 

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 10:22 | 3522227 JOYFUL
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the resident pseudo intellectual of the dark side weighs in...

a choice bit of disinfo designed in desperation to reignite the dying fortunes of an already lost fight.

funny thing, how you skipped over 32... specifically directed at the moneychangin scum what failed to heed the warning given them to stop the oppression of the peeple... xactly the same as 'the Church' once dared to do...

but that don't matter to you. You just need a kitchen sink at this point! lol.

Because of that We ordained for the Children of Israel that if anyone killed a person not in retaliation of murder, or (and) to spread mischief in the land - it would be as if he killed all mankind, and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind. And indeed, there came to them Our Messengers with clear proofs, evidences, and signs, even then after that many of them continued to exceed the limits (e.g. by doing oppression unjustly and exceeding beyond the limits set by Allah by committing the major sins) in the land!.

Fri, 05/03/2013 - 05:17 | 3525701 JOYFUL
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And while I'm catchin up to overnite correspondence... what? Even the last-best hope of the sio-nazi dopes couldn't come up with a respondence to the lil guys head shot????

Total debacle.... TeamObummer\siodupesforaFEMAmerika -10/ TeamRestodaWorld....+11

roll on... Hoser doods!

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 22:22 | 3520953 mendigo
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Don't pander George.
The unstated logic is that because some of them attack us that we are justified in what we have done and continued to do. Why let a few vocal hillbillies dominate the conversation.
Please put it perpective what we have done v what the few radicals have done and is there not some rational for the hatred they have for everything we represent - greed, sloth, depravity, selfishness, ignorance, arrogance, domination, intolerance.
We need to address the root of the problem - Dick Chenney.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 09:52 | 3522059 Abaco
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Fucking moron.  The problem goes way back before heney was born.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 22:56 | 3521073 The_Dude
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Yes...let's get it back to the understood PC agenda....self loathing and moral equivalency for all until we have adequatly nuetered the masses...

 

Get bent...you...you...hillbilly....too funny!!

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 22:37 | 3521000 Oldwood
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Exactly, we would never want to have a conversation where someone might disagree. To disagree is to define the idiot, right? And we would always wnat to agree with a professor over thsoe who actually practice the religion, issuing death warrants on people who make cartoons of their god. You are right. There is no reason for other opinions.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 21:38 | 3520790 The_Dude
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I've never read the Koran. But one of the top Muslim experts - an American university professor - says..

 

Again...quit being so naive...

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 07:53 | 3521657 JOYFUL
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And now, the first sura of the Koran, in case you are curious

Praise be to god

Cherisher and sustainer of the worlds

Creator of all things

Master of the day of judgement

Thee alone we worship, and thine aid we seek

Guide us to the straight path

Not the path of those who have earned your anger

Or of those who go astray

I have actually read the Koran all the way through several times. There is nothing in it about killing infidels, and it instead encourages Muslims to care for traveling strangers like family, and help them get to their destination. It is, for the most part, an abbreviation of the bible with an additional code of law, and because it contains ALL Islamic law, it includes the laws of war. Those laws are a hell of a lot kinder than anything in the Mossad hand book or the Jewish Torah, let alone the Talmud.

 

-However,-

the Jewish scriptures and prayer books, which I have also read extensively, speak all about the Jewish right to be the master of all nations and peoples, from the perspective of owning them in a superior position, with the full right to create and destroy nations and peoples as they see fit. It is the Jews who wage Jihad, and they do it with more than bombs, they do it with educational systems, terror attacks like 911, rigged elections, ownership of media and communications, antidepressants, and many other things such as brain destroying vaccines which are completely responsible for how stupid kids are becoming and the outrageous out of control autism levels. They also commit many other crimes against us that anyone who is the least bit aware of will know.

jimstonefreelance.com /// couldna said it any better myself.

SIO-mindcontrolled dupe Dude... you done.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 12:39 | 3522864 The_Dude
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Keep drinking the kool-aid.....Hopefully you will OD on it...

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 10:10 | 3522153 GuyJeans
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I have actually read the Koran all the way through several times. There is nothing in it about killing infidels,

 

That statement makes me think you have never read the koran, hadiths or tasfir's, if you did you did not comprehend any of the words.  Either that or you are performing taqiyya.

 

 

 

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 10:15 | 3522187 JOYFUL
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Since you didn't manage to notice... that was a quote I pulled offa Jim Stones' site... and gave full notice thereof.

But not to worry... your attempt to confuse the issue is duly noted. Bein a Kafir I can't perform any act of any kind of the Muslim type...

But I can type...

and this ms be for you.... I comprehend evil in all its shades... an you be made.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 07:59 | 3521671 Oldwood
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So professor, what are we to make of all of the murderous hateful bile coming from self proclaimed leaders of the religion of peace. Jewish CIA mouthpieces?

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 08:51 | 3521806 i-dog
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You seem to be avoiding talking about all the murderous hateful bile coming from all you visiting sockpuppets in this thread!

I'd like to join Joyful in his crusade against you despicable excuses for human beings, but reading just the first few of your bigoted ramblings in this thread has made me violently ill.

Go peddle your bigotry at Yahoo or HuffPOS...you'll fit right in.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 10:27 | 3522255 Oldwood
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I don't really recall any "murderous hateful bile" coming from me. I have seen few if any suggest anything be done murderous or otherwise to anyone, except maybe you. Damn Dog, you got a burr up your arse or what? If we repeat anything that has ever been said by one of your "protected" class of people we are haters and racists. right? You belong on HuffPo. They fall right into your dog-ma, accusing anyone who speak ill of our fearless leader as a racist and un-American. Your decription of us haters is though, somewhat liking to how the ficticious Muslim radicals refer to most of us infidels.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 11:20 | 3522535 JOYFUL
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Kinda hard bein hoisted pon yur own petard ain't it?

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 10:12 | 3522168 JOYFUL
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Dawg! stuff the vomit and raise the flag!

We done done it ol son! ....

Xactly like the quacks what run the "paper" gold markets... who thought they could make or break the pm bugs based upon a bogus USD|AU chart... the sionist shill pups here thought that they could bluff us out with a plethora of fingerjock 'votes' ...

but DieHard just wiped DIEBOLD2.0 offa the map! ....for every lil lillputian what strokes there keys here, a thousand peeple read...and choose to keep their thoughts to themselves....

but we be like Midlothian elves ...(n Rohanian Riders TOO!)

with mithras n bow we will hunt these orcs down... one by one... till they all but done ...

hey... it's a BagsEnd o FUN! The SIEGE OF HELMS DEEP IS LIFTED!

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 21:37 | 3520780 The_Dude
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And a million fatwahs directed at the US prove otherwize....

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 07:48 | 3521646 JOYFUL
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Fatwah.... a directive detected to be designed by the intelligence agencies of the sionist 'secret state' and forwarded to their dopey made n paid for phony islamists underlings to be announced and then forwarded to the sionist media for propaganda use in the war against the western peeples.... often but not always filmed in AlCIAda studios.

the Dude...a dope detected to be both race traitor and perpe-traitor of the bloolustin crimes against humanity than will be duly hunted down and eradicated.

end of story.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 12:50 | 3522919 The_Dude
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And that there folks is a perfect example of the twisted reality that this malignant culture lives within.

Bring the battle sport.  I know what side that I am standing on.

Fri, 05/03/2013 - 05:13 | 3525697 JOYFUL
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Da "battle" came n went sport... whilst yu was preenin.... yu became... roadkill!

dumm...n dummer. Fish in a barrel!

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 07:56 | 3521658 Oldwood
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For such a prolific writer it would be a breath of fresh air for you to come out and say clearly what you believe. Your riddles may be intended to frustrate, and they are working, but do little to advance your perspective.

Oh, and your condescension DOES come through quite clearly if that was your primary intention

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 14:16 | 3523073 The_Dude
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Here is a little insight into his psyche....

His picture is a anarchist-communist army flying The Flag of the Insurgent Rebel Army of Ukraine (Makhnovists);  Otherwise known as the Black Army. 

Here is another pic:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-6i3u2_5qz1A/Tg83HYk4YbI/AAAAAAAAAs4/9OQsdA_C4g...

http://www.revleft.com/vb/makhnovists-t59572/index.html?s=e76c2dbebc98b3...

The flag translates roughly to;
"Death to all who stand in the way of freedom for working people"

Mayday is over JOYFUL.  Get back to fellating men to pay the rent and quit polluting the interwebs.

 

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 23:18 | 3525218 JOYFUL
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your gay fantasies have little place on this thread or any other here pinhead. You've taken a whupping, and like any good lil sore loser...

are now reduced to scrurryin around lookin for damage control. Pathetic

Glad you informed yourself about the black flag mitilias tho... but you need to know... we don't take kindly to leftie bolshie scum at all... apparently your readin and comprehension skills are as deficient as your debatin ones! lol!....doood~!

Fri, 05/03/2013 - 02:50 | 3525577 The_Dude
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And you're scoring that on the greatness of Pakistan and its ability to silence little girls or put a hot piece of lead through their head???

 

Oh, I forgot for a sec who I was dealing with and the twisted reality of their world.  Just keep telling yourself you win sport if that keeps your little ego happy....but please...no shopping for pressure cookers..

Fri, 05/03/2013 - 05:10 | 3525696 JOYFUL
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Da burnin hate...of da intellectually impotent... translated into the refuge of the downtick!

How predictably lacking in cojones... hate away misanthropic loser_ dood!

Fri, 05/03/2013 - 17:45 | 3528020 The_Dude
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hate away misanthropic loser_ dood!

If it is appropriately earned, I am more than willing...

And I have yet to see anything remotely intellectual from you.  Again, the most of what I have seen from you is twisted reality and worn '-isms' mantra.  Come up with a relevant discussion and I am willing to debate.  But the most I see out of you are feeble attempts at pointing out what you feel are hypocritical policies from one group while completely disregarding your own issues. And more entertainingly, you actually defend the twisted, hateful actions of your own. 

You are much simpler then you like to portray yourself, attempting to claim an intellectual superiority that you simply cannot defend.  (I assume that is comes from your internal insecurity and envy of the success of others.) Your attempts to undermine others by espousing peace and love for those you would like to pacify and conquer are absolutely transparent.  Your only issue with me is that I see through it and call you on it.  So get use to it....the world is full of a lot of sheep you can try to shear (or f%^& in your case...man, I crack myself up sometimes) )...but there are a few wolves out there that are willing to kick your teeth in, so be careful where you tread.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 10:05 | 3522136 JOYFUL
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clearly, the refusal of some of us to bow to your terror-error narrative is starting to rattle your cages...

good on ya!

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 10:19 | 3522206 Oldwood
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Sorry but I have no Terror issues as you do. I don't support our incursions overseas but do support a strong military on our shores. I reject political correctness that says I must turm my head from a potential threat because of a person's identity, whether they be Muslim or a State employee. You seem to think that the State is evil and all others are blameless dupes. Just callin it as I see it. I don't need to defend our policies because in most cases I can't. I'm just not going to excuse some 5th century retard sawing peoples heads off with a rusty knife as somehow justified or "special". The whole world is pursuing their interests. Some are wrong, some are corrupt but as an individual we each have to live our lives as WE see fit, until such time as an condescending enlightened one, such as yourself, corrects us by creating laws that prevent us from living our lives so. Why don't you try to express yourself without acting like such a shit. It really doesn't help your point, if that is in fact what you are trying to do.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 11:19 | 3522531 JOYFUL
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Your best effort to effect a studied indifference to the demolishing of your teams towering myths of muzzie bad guys has failed as miserably as the entire effort on this thread to pretend to a victory via fingerjock vote counts.

Demolished.

You shoulda stopped several posts before. Now you're just rubbing salt in your own wounds.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 20:19 | 3520513 Oldwood
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That should be demanded of anyone coming to this country and anyone wanting a job here that is funded by US taxpayers or in anyway involved with spending taxpayer dollars, and yes including those dollars that have not be earned or printed yet!

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 20:28 | 3520539 New_Meat
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Actually, here in the Commonwealth, we have a new program, that has been in effect (evidently) for the last 10 years or so.  It is nothing like what you are saying.

It is a new form of "Commonwealth Sponsored Terrorism".

Don't cha' know.

- Ned

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 20:37 | 3520555 Oldwood
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Our tax dollars at work!

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 20:18 | 3520508 New_Meat
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GW, 'tis a fact, the younger, still alive, suspected bomber, is an AMCIT, as of September 11, 2012.  He "swore" an "oath", as you and I would well understand.

Used to be, when the "oath" was "sworn" that there were penalties for one to reneg. 

gotta' wonder how that would work out today, I guess that we are seeing this in realtime.

the pissants have their fingers crossed, and are not pissing their pants, because they face no consequences.

- Ned

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 20:54 | 3520622 nmewn
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"Used to be, when the "oath" was "sworn" that there were penalties for one to reneg.

gotta' wonder how that would work out today, I guess that we are seeing this in realtime."

So true.

Lying is now common place  Teachers do it. Pols do it. Businessmen do it. People get caught doing it and are complimented on the length & breadth of their lies and how many were decieved.

Oaths? Just a formality of a bygone era where ones integrity and honor meant more than their own death.

Very sad, not just for the liars but for all those who just laugh and say "thats just the way it is" as we spiral downward.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 21:17 | 3520718 New_Meat
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used to be, in really much more difficult times (before the Geneva and Hague Conventions) that certain classes of people could give their "word" (actually "Parole") and they would return home.  That way, they would be nay burden upon the capturing entity.  But, then, when they were caught again, they were treated immediately to the death penalty.  Kinda' like illegal combattants.

Those are the extant Treaties.  The USG has the pregrogative to restrict those penalties, for its own purposes.

Kinda' wishin' that we'd not be so "Kinder-Gentler'" -- 'twould solve some problems and evidently not exacerbate others.

- Ned

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