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Non-Muslims Carried Out More than 90% of All Terrorist Attacks on U.S. Soil

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An FBI report shows that only a small percentage of terrorist attacks carried out on U.S. soil between 1980 and 2005 were perpetrated by Muslims.

Princeton University’s Loon Watch compiled the following chart from the FBI’s data (as explained below, this chart is over-simplified … and somewhat inaccurate):

Terrorist Attacks on U.S. Soil by Group, From 1980 to 2005, According to FBI DatabaseTerrorist Attacks on U.S. Soil by Group, From 1980 to 2005, According to FBI Database

According to this data, there were more Jewish acts of terrorism within the United States than Islamic (7% vs 6%).  These radical Jews committed acts of terrorism in the name of their religion.  These were not terrorists who happened to be Jews; rather, they were extremist Jews who committed acts of terrorism based on their religious passions, just like Al-Qaeda and company.

(The chart is misleading in several ways. For example, it labels "Extreme Left Wing Groups" and "Communists", but not "Extreme Right Wing Groups" or "Fascists". It should have either discarded all partisan labels, or included labels for both ends of the spectrum.  In addition, "Latinos" is misleading, as Loonwatch is actually referring to Puerto Rican separatist groups, Cuban exile groups and the like.  However, as shown below, many of the basic concepts are correct.)

U.S. News and World Report noted in February of this year:

Of the more than 300 American deaths from political violence and mass shootings since 9/11, only 33 have come at the hands of Muslim-Americans, according to the Triangle Center on Terrorism and Homeland Security. The Muslim-American suspects or perpetrators in these or other attempted attacks fit no demographic profile—only 51 of more than 200 are of Arabic ethnicity. In 2012, all but one of the nine Muslim-American terrorism plots uncovered were halted in early stages. That one, an attempted bombing of a Social Security office in Arizona, caused no casualties.

Wired reported the same month:

Since 9/11, [Charles Kurzman, Professor of Sociology at University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, writing for the Triangle Center on Terrorism and National Security] and his team tallies, 33 Americans have died as a result of terrorism launched by their Muslim neighbors. During that period, 180,000 Americans were murdered for reasons unrelated to terrorism. In just the past year, the mass shootings that have captivated America’s attention killed 66 Americans, “twice as many fatalities as from Muslim-American terrorism in all 11 years since 9/11,” notes Kurzman’s team.

 

Law enforcement, including “informants and undercover agents,” were involved in “almost all of the Muslim-American terrorism plots uncovered in 2012,” the Triangle team finds. That’s in keeping with the FBI’s recent practice of using undercover or double agents to encourage would-be terrorists to act on their violent desires and arresting them when they do — a practice critics say comes perilously close to entrapment. A difference in 2012 observed by Triangle: with the exception of the Arizona attack, all the alleged plots involving U.S. Muslims were “discovered and disrupted at an early stage,” while in the past three years, law enforcement often observed the incubating terror initiatives “after weapons or explosives had already been gathered.”

 

The sample of Muslim Americans turning to terror is “vanishingly small,” Kurzman tells Danger Room. Measuring the U.S. Muslim population is a famously inexact science, since census data don’t track religion, but rather “country of origin,” which researchers attempt to use as a proxy. There are somewhere between 1.7 million and seven million American Muslims, by most estimates, and Kurzman says he operates off a model that presumes the lower end, a bit over 2 million. That’s less a rate of involvement in terrorism of less than 10 per million, down from a 2003 high of 40 per million, as detailed in the chart above.

 

Yet the scrutiny by law enforcement and homeland security on American Muslims has not similarly abated. The FBI tracks “geomaps” of areas where Muslims live and work, regardless of their involvement in any crime. The Patriot Act and other post-9/11 restrictions on government surveillance remain in place. The Department of Homeland Security just celebrated its 10th anniversary. In 2011, President Obama ordered the entire federal national-security apparatus to get rid of counterterrorism training material that instructed agents to focus on Islam itself, rather than specific terrorist groups.

 

Kurzman doesn’t deny that law enforcement plays a role in disrupting and deterring homegrown U.S. Muslim terrorism. His research holds it out as a possible explanation for the decline. But he remains surprised by the disconnect between the scale of the terrorism problem and the scale — and expense — of the government’s response.

 

“Until public opinion starts to recognize the scale of the problem has been lower than we feared, my sense is that public officials are not going to change their policies,” Kurzman says. “Counterterrorism policies have involved surveillance — not just of Muslim-Americans, but of all Americans, and the fear of terrorism has justified intrusions on American privacy and civil liberties all over the internet and other aspects of our lives. I think the implications here are not just for how we treat a religious minority in the U.S., but also how we treat the rights & liberties of everyone.”

We agree. And so do most Americans. Indeed – as we’ve previously documented – you’re more likely to die from brain-eating parasites, alcoholism, obesity, medical errors, risky sexual behavior or just about anything other than terrorism.

Kurzman told the Young Turks in February that Islamic terrorism “doesn’t even count for 1 percent” of the 180,000 murders in the US since 9/11.

While the Boston marathon bombings were horrific, a top terrorism expert says that the Boston attack was more like Columbine than 9/11, and that the bombers are “murderers not terrorists”.  The overwhelming majority of mass shootings were by non-Muslims.  (This is true in Europe, as well as in the U.S.)

However you classify them – murder or terrorism – the Boston bombings occurred after all of the statistical analysis set forth above. Moreover, different groups have different agendas about how to classify the perpetrators  (For example, liberal Mother Jones and conservative Breitbart disagree on how many of the perpetrators of terror attacks can  properly be classified as right wing extremists.)

So we decided to look at the most current statistics for ourselves, to do an objective numerical count not driven by any agenda.

Specifically, we reviewed all of the terrorist attacks on U.S. soil as documented by the National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism (START). (2012). Global Terrorism Database, as retrieved from http://www.start.umd.edu/gtd.

The START Global Terrorism Database spans from 1970 through 2012 (and will be updated from year-to-year), and – as of this writing – includes 104,000 terrorist incidents.  As such, it is the most comprehensive open-source database open to the public.

We counted up the number of terrorist attacks carried out by Muslims.  We excluded attacks by groups which are obviously not Muslims, such as the Ku Klux Klan, Medellin Drug Cartel, Irish Republican Army, Anti-Castro Group, Mormon extremists, Vietnamese Organization to Exterminate Communists and Restore the Nation, Jewish Defense League, May 19 Communist Order, Chicano Liberation Front, Jewish Armed Resistance, American Indian Movement, Gay Liberation Front, Aryan Nation, Jewish Action Movement, National Front for the Liberation of Cuba, or Fourth Reich Skinheads.

We counted attacks by Al Qaeda, the Taliban, Black American Moslems, or anyone who even remotely sounded Muslim … for example anyone from Palestine, Lebanon or any other Arab or Muslim country, or any name including anything sounding remotely Arabic or Indonesian (like “Al” anything or “Jamaat” anything).

If we weren’t sure what the person’s affiliation was, we looked up the name of the group to determine whether it could in any way be connected to Muslims.

Based on our review of the approximately 2,400 terrorist attacks on U.S. soil contained within the START database, we determined that approximately 60 were carried out by Muslims.

In other words, approximately 2.5% of all terrorist attacks on U.S. soil between 1970 and 2012 were carried out by Muslims.*  This is a tiny proportion of all attacks.

(We determined that approximately 118 of the terror attacks - or 4.9% - were carried out by Jewish groups such as Jewish Armed Resistance, the Jewish Defense League, Jewish Action Movement, United Jewish Underground and Thunder of Zion. This is almost twice the percentage of Islamic attacks within the United States.  In addition, there were approximately 168 attacks - or 7% - by anti-abortion activists, who tend to be Christian. Fuerzas Armadas de Liberacion Nacional  - a Puerto Rican paramilitary organization -  carried out more than 120 bomb attacks on U.S. targets between 1974 and 1983, and there were some 41 attacks by Cuban exiles, and a number of attacks by other Latin American groups. If we look at worldwide attacks - instead of just attacks on U.S. soil - Sunni Muslims are the main perpetrators of terrorism.  However: 1. Muslims are also the main victims of terror attacks worldwide; and 2. the U.S. backs the most radical types of Sunnis over more moderate Muslims and Arab secularists.)

Moreover, another study undertaken by the National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism – called ”Profiles of Perpetrators of Terrorism in the United States” – found:

Between 1970 and 2011, 32 percent of the perpetrator groups were motivated by ethnonationalist/separatist agendas, 28 percent were motivated by single issues, such as animal rights or opposition to war, and seven percent were motivated by religious beliefs. In addition, 11 percent of the perpetrator groups were classified as extreme right-wing, and 22 percent were categorized as extreme left-wing.

 

Preliminary findings from PPT-US data between 1970 and 2011 also illustrate a distinct shift in the dominant ideologies of these terrorist groups over time, with the proportion of emerging ethnonationalist/separatist terrorist groups declining and the proportion of religious terrorist groups increasing. However, while terrorist groups with religious ideologies represent 40 percent of all emergent groups from 2000-2011 (two out of five), they only account for seven percent of groups over time.

Similarly, a third study by the National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism Religion found that religion alone is not a key factor in determining which terrorists want to use weapons of mass destruction:

The available empirical data show that there is not a significant relationship between terrorist organizations’ pursuit of CBRN (chemical, biological, radiological or nuclear) weapons and the mere possession of a religious ideology, according to a new quantitative study by START researchers Victor Asal, Gary Ackerman and Karl Rethemeyer.

Therefore, Muslims are not more likely than other groups to want to use WMDs.

* The Boston marathon bombing was not included in this analysis, as START has not yet updated its database to include 2013 terrorist attacks.  3 people died in the Boston attack.  While tragic, we are confident that non-Musliims killed more than 3 during this same period.

We are not experts in terrorism analysis.  We would therefore defer to people like Kurzman on the exact number.  However, every quantitative analysis of terrorism in the U.S. we have read shows that the percent of terror attacks carried out by Muslims is far less than 10%.

Postscript: State-sponsored terrorism is beyond the scope of this discussion, and was not included in our statistical analysis.  Specifically, the following arguments are beyond the scope of this discussion, as we are focusing solely on non-state terrorism:

  • Arguments by  University of Michigan Professor Juan Cole that deaths from 20th century wars could be labeled Christian terrorism
 

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Wed, 05/01/2013 - 18:06 | 3519965 snblitz
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We suddenly believe the numbers put out by the government?

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 18:13 | 3519996 New_Meat
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at first glance, I thought your screen-name was schlitz.

Have many fond rememberances about schliz. ;-)

- Ned

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 17:59 | 3519946 Herkimer Jerkimer
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Yeah, I remember all those whacked out Jewz, blow'n shid'up all over the place, killing folks…

 

Sort of…

 

Maybe…

 

Okay.

 

Maybe not at all, but they wouldn't print it if it wasn't true, would they?

 

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V-V

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 17:56 | 3519940 New_Meat
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Hey, GW:

"... Of the more than 300 American deaths from political violence and mass shootings since 9/11, only 33 have come at the hands of Muslim-Americans, ..."

So, Fort Hood, dang, that doesn't count into the picture, after all, those poor bastards were just walking across the parking lot of the Exchange, got shot-killed, just "workplace violence".

GW, I gotta' give you credit, (as you know that I do when you do something worthy): you, sir, are a real Internet quotin' machine, u betcha'!!!!!

- Ned

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 17:59 | 3519948 ronaldawg
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The author is playing around with the dates to make his argument.

Let's look at the time period 2000 to 2013.....

Tham latinos have really been busy then.  Also tham Tea Party Patriots causing a whole lot of terrorism....

Fucking tool.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 18:11 | 3519999 George Washington
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I am using the most authoritative databases, and including all of the data which they include.

Who's got an agenda ... you or me?

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 00:10 | 3521283 Lednbrass
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Princeton??

You use an "authoritarian database", not an "authoritative" one Sparky.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 09:18 | 3521895 DOT
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All authority is Bull-Shit.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 22:06 | 3520885 BigInJapan
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Nonono. Come on now. A couple weeks back I took you to task over outdated and unsubstantiated links referring to "wierd liesions on some sealions". You disappeared.

I even went so far as to email the biologist you cited - he hasn't replied. Surprise, surprise. Wow, look at that, I did more background checking than the guy who wrote the "article" err "collection of meaningless links".

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 19:32 | 3520337 Roandavid
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I like a lot of what you do GW, but you clearly have an agenda, and as such are only marginally more trustworthy than the FBI whose stuff you tend to like a lot better when it suits your preferred theme.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 18:30 | 3520092 Bazza McKenzie
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Just love that term "authoritative databases", they'd be like the "authoritative databases" the government keeps on the economy.

Since your "authoritative databases" show those Latinos are the real badasses, perhaps you could share with us what is their "terrorist" agenda.  Given your "stats", that's the thing that really needs explanation, not the "innocence" of those Muslim pussies.

Incidentally, did all of those "attacks" in your "authoritative databases" involve attempts to kill people?  Or have we broadened "terrorism" to include insulting language?

Sorry mate, you've turned yourself into an apologist for the real terrorists.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 19:19 | 3520277 Ignatius
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You go with what ya got.  We all know the CPI is jiggered, but it's a baseline however much it is flawed.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 19:41 | 3520377 ronaldawg
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So 9/11 is counted as what?  Three attacks?  Three different planes hit three different targets?  Killed over 3,000 people, took down two + buildings and caused the whole economy to halt? 

Or did you just leave it out altogether?

Hey George Washington (tool) - are you related to Hillary Clinton of the "WHAT DOES IT REALLY MATTER AT THIS POINT."

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 19:48 | 3520412 New_Meat
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Gonna' b the title of HRC's next auto-hagiography: "What Did I Matter???"
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Wed, 05/01/2013 - 22:24 | 3520960 nmewn
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Its gonna be "illuminating" when all the survivors they've been threatening (jobs, demotions, IRS etc.) to not come FORWARD!!!...do in fact come forward.

And say exactly what they saw and knew on prem.

HRC signed off in acknowledgement of a request for moar security. Surely not Tripoli, where no attack took place outside of Italy's goofaw.

It was Benghazi, the CIA "outpost" gun running operation to Syria...she let them "whither on the vine & die" as it were...a real morale booster for the patriotic spook and/or ex-vet.

Well politically fucking done Hitlary...but not everyone will be so appreciative of your actions (or lack thereof) when their ass was on the line...and you punted.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 02:02 | 3521423 JOYFUL
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Though I used to think GW might be just another dupe stooge for the moneychangers... his unflinching willingness to stand his ground against the army of dupe stooges of the moneypower here has made me change my opinion of the man.

Y'all are flailing... n failing. The whole worlds watchin the melt down of the talmudist leftist faketerror CONtinuum... and their goy dupes slippin under the wheels of the bus!

Just takes one or two willin to stand their ground for the peeples of the west ...and the solidarity of the world against kabbalist kleptocracy... and the tiny terror totes frontin for the talmudist terror statelet will run in ....TERROR!

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 06:46 | 3521593 nmewn
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Can you break that down into the English language for me?

Are you saying that, terrorism, carried out by muslims (and radical Islamics) worldwide under the banner of jihad for Islam, is actually a planetary conspiracy manipulated in every non-Islamic country by communist jooos?

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 07:40 | 3521640 JOYFUL
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Yur totally responsible for your own command(or lack thereof)of English as a first or second language....

failure to understand who works to take down western civilization ...and why... will be your problem...

not mine. Take up your incapacity to grasp veracity with your maker... not on ZH's time. You outta time...n outta luck, here newman.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 18:02 | 3524230 nmewn
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So I can take this almost coherent musing as a no, you can't exlain what the hell you're talking about. And its not ZH's time or clarification I was asking for, it was yours, which I guess you're not sober enough to do.

Also, there is only vowel in my name, you're seeing things that aren't there...again...lol.

Might wanna to cut the dosage there JOYLESS ;-)

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 22:25 | 3525053 JOYFUL
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Dose of joy has worked out jus fine newman....

to allow for the total demolition of your teams' final fling of the dice here.

A total takedown of the tru terrorists amongst us! Post by post... and as usual... no resort save that of the impotent lil .gov fingerslingers on their lil vote meters! Y'all come back now!  We'll be watchin for yas!

ONE MORE |TIME:| your comprehension skills(or lack thereof)are your problem... not mine, nor anyone elses.

Fri, 05/03/2013 - 05:06 | 3525694 JOYFUL
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and uber-predictably... newman too forgoes the chance to challenge the champs...

and hugs his joystick... joy.less.ly!

Demolition derby of TeamObambotsforaFemamerika continues!

lol....

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 07:38 | 3521638 Oldwood
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Joyfull seems to think that style compensates for substance.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 08:14 | 3521719 JOYFUL
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Understanding the substance of my position requires a certain style of openess to the unity of mankind. You can't handle that, no problem... but yu on yur own. Mabee the BIGJIHADIS will appreciate your attempt at witticism tho!

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 10:19 | 3522209 Abaco
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THe shrooms will wear off in a few more hours.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 17:51 | 3519905 LetsGetPhysical
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Smells like bullshit in here.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 17:54 | 3519932 H E D G E H O G
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+1 LG Physical, as soon as i started reading; non muslim, fbi report, etc., i had to check my tennis shoes for dog shit..................

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 18:05 | 3519971 H E D G E H O G
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and while i'm fucking at it, what about the "justice" department with fast and furious EPISODE, what about arming and training the "Taliban" with their fight for independence with the ruskies, or the 11 billion in cash LOST in Iraq during our second invasion, or for that matter, the IRAQ fiascos by themselves, Libya and Kadahfi, or the millions paid to the shill who squeeled about the NON existant WMD, or the buying of every bullet produced during the last coupla years by DHS, or, or, or, or..................bullshit, dogshit, horseshit! it ALL stinks of US covert manipulation and MSM and .GOV PROPAGANDA. DON'T BELIEVE FUCKING ANYTHING.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 22:20 | 3520944 The Joker
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Not that I disagree with anything you say, because I don't, but I had theory going that anyone with "hedge" in their name was one of the tylers, due to the correlation with the ability to post pictures.  You just disproved that hypothesis due to your language.  Poser?

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 09:59 | 3522091 H E D G E H O G
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you just can't imagine what a relief it is for me to know that The Joker has dispelled one of the true, legendary enigmas Posed here on the Hedge'. Thanks?

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 22:47 | 3521035 john39
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dropping in on this thread, i was genuinely surprised to see the level of knuckle dragging trolls screaming about "muzzies"...  anyone paying attention over the last decade or so should have figured out that most terrorism is state sponsored false flag bulllshit.   Muslims are the current fall guy because some muslim countries still oppose the new world order usury slavery, unlike the pathetic pos governments that control the U.S., Canada, Europe etc.   wake up people.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 00:11 | 3521284 JOYFUL
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Don't worry bout it...

GW has been ID'd as a vector of counter-terror-error-narration...

who must be shut up at any(taxpayer funded) price... so the terror trolls have been unleashed.

Big hats...no cattle... they'll be in the wastebin of hebraic-led terror history soon nuff!

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 17:49 | 3519898 loregnum
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Of course Muslims don't carry out most terrorist acts since terrorism only really exists from domestic government agencies planning and carrying out the acts. Not a real shock to come to this conclusion seeing as the FBI, CIA or ATF seem to have a connection with EVERY event, at least in the last 20 years.

Terrorism in north america or just western nations in general in the sense of beign carried out by supposed groups or just plain jane "crazies" is one of the biggest myths in the world. 

I also think the way the government is destroying the economy, personal savings and job market is a form of terrorism.

 

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 17:50 | 3519893 New_Meat
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Let's see here:

  1. Latino-42%
  2. Extreme Left Wing Groups-24%
  3. Others-16%
  4. Jewish Extremists-7%
  5. Islamic Extremists-6%
  6. Communists-5%

I'd say that 4, 5, 6 are in statistical noise. (that means that we, as opposed to the blogger, can nay infer any distinction among them).

GW gotta' brush up on his statz b4 jumping to conclusions.

Don't see any "angry white guyz" category.

Are the Jewish Extremists the bastard bombers that Clinton pardoned.  Were a slew of 'em.

- Ned

{but GW don't do no stinkin' "statistical inference" judgement, don't cha' know}

{{and the OTM category that so-called "homeland" "security" has, makes the 2. category suspect.}}

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 19:06 | 3520232 nmewn
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We be on da same page...120 bombings by one group of "Latino's" who also just happened to be communists...kinda skews things just a tad.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 19:47 | 3520390 ronaldawg
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What about the little bombing spree that occurred in Cleveland Ohio in the mid-1970s with Danny Greene - guess that was just classified as domestic violence eh?

The entire premise of this article is flawed.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 20:24 | 3520526 New_Meat
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dawg:

"The entire premise of this article is flawed."

u have been around these here parts, and (gag) u will get used to it.

- Ned

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 19:44 | 3520385 New_Meat
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The "stat" crowd used to call this kind of thing "torturing the data", that is, manipulating the numberz until the desired outcome is achieved.

- Ned

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 17:27 | 3519802 Captain Nukem
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What definition is used for "terrorist attack"? The FBI tries to enhance its importance by classifying any violent act as a terrorist act, just as they classify pressure cooker bombs as "weapons of mass destruction".

But even by the FBI's warped measurments the thousands of deaths in the 9/11 attack dwarf the 300 odd "terrorist" deaths since them.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 17:40 | 3519859 Oldwood
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The definition will be broadened until all neccessary individuals can be properly designated as such. We are all terrorist now.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 17:52 | 3519910 New_Meat
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yep, when the word went out that Christians and Catholics and ... that formed more than 1/2 of the US, well, one can see a peek into the assessment.

- Ned

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 18:03 | 3519955 ronaldawg
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Do I have to roll out my "1984" quote again? 

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 19:40 | 3520375 New_Meat
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again and again and again and ...!!!!

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 20:27 | 3520535 Ms. Erable
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But... but... but look at the chart! All them Christians, right-wingers, and TEA party/Ron Paul types have been doing it all along. Yup, dat pie chart iz zackly what gubbermint been warning me about. Take my gunz and protect me - Ima go watch moar teewee.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 17:05 | 3519723 schnydz
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It depends on what the meaning of the word "is" is...

Exactly how is terrorism classified and who classifies it?

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 10:09 | 3522147 uno
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my brother was in jail for years charged with 'domestic terrorism'.  Problem is there were 3 Psychiatrist in different prisons he was at who all said he is severly paranoid schizophrenia among many other mental issues.  He was like that since birth.  That is who they charge, crazies who belong in mental institutions.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 19:38 | 3520352 Goldilocks
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schnydz,

Fuzzy logic

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 17:34 | 3519845 Oldwood
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It is kind of amazing that we try to define and redefine words so that they can be used as a rationalization for actions. Its like the concept of a hate crime versus a plain old crime. Some one kills me because of my skin color is somehow so much worse than if they kill me simply because my life has no value to them.  The real issue to my notion is one of political correctness. We live in a world so self conscious that we dare not express a rational fear for the fear of condemnation. Many of these cases could have been prevented simply by people speaking out about individuals they saw as a threat, but instead we turn away because we don't want to be one of "those people". A rasicst. Yes that is the word. Racist...The single most worstest name a person can be called. Why its so bad that you can't call a black person a racist without being one. People know these wack jobs of every color and persuation, but if they are ethnic, or gay or even crazy, we can't say a word, because those people are the oppressed, the affirmatively endowed, who cannot and will not be called upon for explanation or cause. Just ask Obama. We instead must live in the world of blind justice, weilding about a blade in a dark room with blinders on in hope of striking down a bad guy while willing accepting the collateral damage along the way. Admittedly you might want to defend yourself from an organized attack differently than one of a simple random nature, but a life regulated totally by fear lashing out in the drkness seems hardly worth living.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 20:14 | 3520502 Seer
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"Some one kills me because of my skin color is somehow so much worse than if they kill me simply because my life has no value to them.  The real issue to my notion is one of political correctness."

Much of the reasoning was based on the FACT that many crimes were not prosecuted because someone was of some "inferior" status.

People can revolt against "political correctness" (not saying I'm a fan, I only argue facts and logic), but these things are generally produced as social modifiers (this is a historically a pretty common them among groups of humans).

The reality of "hate crimes" is that there's a BIG issue of actually reporting them, as local police don't want to pad unappealing crime stats to their communities (Chamber of Commerce doesn't approve).

Yes, I totally agree and understand with the notion of using existing laws.  I can also understand and agree with the notion, however, or identifying hate crimes (as hate crimes are less about the individual and more about targeting a type of group).  I wouldn't alter sentencing, just indicate what the (apparent, trail-proven) motive was.

Wed, 05/01/2013 - 21:13 | 3520698 Oldwood
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I guess I’m confused as I thought the hate crimes legislation was specifically to mandate harsh penalties. These kinds of laws combined with affirmative action rules effecting virtually every circumstance of education and employment are an over-reach in an attempt to atone for past wrongs perpetrated in many cases by relatively few many years ago. This is retroactive justice that is causing great damage by dividing people rather than bringing them together. We have many of the same people insisting that even though radical Muslims have been preaching and dispensing a great deal of hate, we should not hold the entire Muslim community responsible, yet that is exactly what they are doing to white men. We are responsible for the injustices that most of us have had no hand in whatsoever, and while most of us have our big boy pants on, it is leaving a really bitter taste in our mouths that unfortunately won’t soon be forgotten. The young white men coming out of college have been fully indoctrinated to this yet when they find themselves at the back of the bus a few times while seeking that ever illusive job that will pay off those big college debts (that many of their oppressed colleagues do not suffer) they may have a change of heart.

Thu, 05/02/2013 - 01:51 | 3521414 JOYFUL
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radical muslims... aka alinskyist trained terror operative bankrolled by alCIAda on behalf of the talmudist agenda to destroy the west...

as for us 'white men'... real white guys don't get fooled by kosher kabbalist fairy tales about muzzies...

but dupe goys do!

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