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Bush Official: Syria Chemical Weapons Attack Could Be “Israeli False Flag Operation”
It is likely that Al Qaeda rebels - and not the Syrian government - carried out the chemical weapons attack which the hawks in Washington are trying to use as a reason to invade.
Haaretz reported on March 24th, "Jihadists, not Assad, apparently behind reported chemical attack in Syria".
The Syria Tribune released a video in December allegedly showing Syrian rebels killing rabbits with chemical weapons, and threatening to use them against supporters of the Syrian government. (It is impossible at this point to say whether this is genuine or propaganda).
Col. Lawrence Wilkerson - the former chief of staff to Secretary of State Colin Powell under President George W. Bush - said yesterday that the Syrian chemical weapons could be a “Israeli false flag operation”.
Wilkerson said that he had been told by his sources in the intelligence community that evidence that Syria had used chemical weapons was “really flaky” and that President Barack Obama should think twice before intervening.
“This could have been an Israeli false flag operation,” he said. “You’ve got basically a geo-strategically, geo-political — if you will — inept regime in Tel Aviv right now.”
Indeed, Neoconservatives planned regime change in Syria - and throughout the Middle East and North Africa - 20 years ago.
And carrying out acts of violence and blaming it on the Syrian government as an excuse for regime change - i.e. false flag terror - was discussed over 50 years ago by British and American leaders.
And the “rebels” in Syria that the U.S. has been supporting are Al Qaeda and Muslim Brotherhood. Indeed, the New York Times s reported last week that virtually all of the rebel fighters are Al Qaeda terrorist,
But that doesn't matter ... war is sold just like toothpaste, and once there is a sufficient excuse for war - real or made up - we can march forward.
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I wasn't mixing the two, I was constrained by the word choices in GW's original piece, which is AMBIGUOUS, and hence open to DEBATE. Which GW then grossly botched the defense of- with the introduction of a logical fallacy worthy of someone living with their parents.
My take is below - in short politicization of US intelligence by an American Zionist named John Brennan is far more likely to be the case here than some bullshit false flag conspiracy involving anyone in Israel. (oh, and Wilkerson is a self-serving jackass)
so you agree or disagree that Israel and the US often join in "imperial" policy? Each for their own selfish gains/games. If american intelligence is infected with "american zionism," why is it highly "unlikely" that it would not work in tandem with "israeli zionism?"
Intelligence cooperation (generally) is a misnomer because is it always self-serving and always carried out by spies, who really don't like to share their sources and methods. Spymasters/Diplomats however, are often quite happy to share work product that has gone through the gathering, analysis, scrubbing, and politicization processes.
Intelligence interaction between the US & the UK in pursuit of empire probably greatly exceeds the interaction between the US and Israel, especially given that the British didn't even withdraw from the Persian Gulf until the 1970's. Today intelligence interaction between the Qataris and Saudis and the US probably exceeds interaction with Israel (the arms business is generally done face-to-face, and the small scale backdoor shit is labor intensive). Brennan is product of the Washington think tank scene (and Zionist group-think hub) despite having pulled a stint in the Saudi Sandbox (where in his usual fashion he dropped the ball on active threats).
This particular rinse, repeat episode reeks of Iraq WMD Redux - right down to disregarding the international observers who take exactly the opposite view as the Washington politicians, and Brennan is right back in Langley where he was politicizing intelligence to please his political masters from 9/11/01 to 3/19/03.
What a treat...after a week requiring of so much close in bludgeon work(to keep the orc-like hordes of sio-apologists at bay) ... to have a more interesting type of interlocutor!
And just in time for the weekend... when there is time to puzzle through what (or who)makes an "urban redneck' tick n talk.
was the original line which drew my attention to your apparent precis. But I got no futher than that in attempting to get to grips with it as everything after that you wrote was an amalgam of obtuse acronyms and macho posturing. Today may bring better clarity - Inshallah! Your
installment allows us to see that you believe that there is a separation between the intelligence arms of the Merikan and Sraeili regimes. And that the same kind of seamless integration of 'intelligence apparatus' which took place between Merika and the Anglosphere regimes post WW2 does not apply equally to the case of the Sionist State Entity! If so... that would be an intriguing position to try to uphold... as it runs smack into the historical record - which shows us that the very pillars of the Merikan 'intelligence community*' of the day were tasked with helping that entity set up, train, and then insert it's agents(Mossad) as a fully integrated member of the triad of foreign policy executors of international Bnai Brith directives. Please feel free to elucidate how&why the functional unity of these players(along with the Saudi\Qatari puppet princedoms) in one seamless geopolitical team is a notion to which you do not subscribe!
Secondly, that original reference of yours... to rogue fundamentalist Muslim military... never received a clarification from you. I have to therefore 'imagine' you to believe that there are 'cells' of militant islamists with access to WMD which exist outside of the purview, direction, and funding of the above-mentioned triadic Anglo-Sraeli(now known as "ZATO")alliance... a fascinating, contrarian opinion - if it is indeed yours!
I hope this catches your attention at some point fore this thread closes... and that you will provide us clarification of your position on these points of interest... bear in mind, I am doing my best here to hold any pre-judgement of that position in abeyance ... and would ask that in return, you equally abjure any unnecessary posturing, preening, and obfuscations of the kind which made our original exchange pointless. And definitely -avoid the temptation towards the upvote button ...I lose all interest when such buffoonery and contravention of forum form are shown!
*Dulles, Donovan, McCloy...& at the most direct level -JJA.
A start-up uses a different paradigm than a joint venture- the Army special forces or the School of the Americas model would be a better comp in the start-up case. And in the early days of the OSS and CIA Donovan and both the Dulles boys had long standing relationships and shared mud and blood with their British counterparts. Spooks are professional liars, but they are personable professional liars especially if they make it to Senior Spook/Diplomatic levels.
In 1953, not only was Kermit playing in Britain's sandbox, he was doing so because of the politicization of intelligence and behest of the political beast and employing resources made available precisely because Downing Street was pursuing its own agenda. Switching back to the 21st century, if Israeli intelligence convinces their political establishment that American resources can be used to develop a tool which can then be infiltrated by Israeli intelligence into an Iranian nuclear facility, that doesn't mean that the Israelis are going to turn over their entire dossier or even infiltration means to the Americans (especially anything intelligence or analysis that does not support the conclusion of Iran posing an immediate threat in the absence of coordinated action).
As to your theory of global "integration" -- the US is over a decade into the "integration" of its own intelligence fiefdoms (while simultaneously building out another within DoD), countless billions of IT infrastructure, relocation and reorg expenses, Powerpoint Decks and team-building kumbayah bullshit later... even the old ones still don't share well or play nice together, and in fact revert to to their traditional silo-ed blame deflection when the first pressure cooker goes off, and that doesn't even factor in the crossed messaging cluster-fuck about what the Saudis knew and did or did not pass on, and to whom in which silo.
As to Pakistan, there are two issues, the rogue elements that keep trying to attack installations that house nuclear weapons (presumably to steal them) which would be grossly inefficient if the CIA could just pass some spare inventory to its supposed al-CIAda lackeys, and then there is possibility that certain elements that have some command and control authority over the Pakistani nuclear arsenal or technology might be conducting additional "rogue" actions, which have clear historical precedent. Pakistan is tribal and factionalized but those loyalties have demonstrated far less vacillation between core principles over time than across the border in Afghanistan. Back when Benazir was running the front office and Mr. 10% was running the back office, AQ Khan was doing booming business to NK and Iran,that continued even when arch-rival Sharif came back to run things. In addition to copious foreign cash, there are several strategic items that Pakistan has been shopping & bartering for since HW before forgot about Afghanistan, among them power plants (to be built by Enron, back when it actually built things) supplied with natural gas from the Persian Gulf. Pakistan has approached both the Sunni and then Shia side of the Pars gas fields to secure this supply over the years. Then there are the long promised new planes for the Air Force (the F-16 is a bit dated at this point) to keep the military brass happy and out of the Presidential Palace. And there's one other shopping list item that slips my mind right now. Anyway, Mr. 10% now has the big desk in the front office, so who knows what's going on in the back office. Iran finally came through with a gas pipeline for cash poor Pakistan. There are the perpetual rumors about the Saudis recycling some petrodollars, but even if KSA did possess a nuke I don't believe that Pakistan is the only potential supplier (but that regardless Pakistan would be a willing seller for the right price), as the China was not the first place KSA looked when they decided it would be strategically wise to start building long term oil storage capacity for their black gold outside of the Kingdom.
Without wishing to appear unduly cynical, I will point out that neither of your responses come anywhere close to addressing my questions...
regarding
a) the very pillars of the Merikan 'intelligence community*' of the day were tasked with helping that entity set up, train, and then insert it's agents(Mossad) as a fully integrated member of the triad of foreign policy executors of international Bnai Brith directives. Please feel free to elucidate how&why the functional unity of these players(along with the Saudi\Qatari puppet princedoms) in one seamless geopolitical team is a notion to which you do not subscribe!
b)that original reference of yours... to rogue fundamentalist Muslim military... never received a clarification from you. I have to therefore 'imagine' you to believe that there are 'cells' of militant islamists with access to WMD which exist outside of the purview, direction, and funding of the above-mentioned triadic Anglo-Sraeli(now known as "ZATO")alliance... a fascinating, contrarian opinion - if it is indeed yours!
...in anything but the most elliptic of manners. Perhaps acceptable tactics of evasion as taught at Ft Benning... but hardly suitable for civvie street. I'm also going to stretch to the max my willingess to avoid the conclusion that much of what you write is a dazzling bafflegab of jargon designed to overaw the less initiated amongst us...
and stick to the spirit of civil and detached debate...in hopes of securing your steady co operation in same. Mr. 10% in your mind is clearly to be associated by marriage and manner with the legacy and loyalties of Benazir. A fundamental misunderstanding of both her situation and her mind. The death this very week of the judge investigating both her murder and the Mumbai AlCIAda massacre puts us of a mind to remember just how at odds she was with the paradigm you purport to objectively describe.
Finally, the one way mirror of sionist terror statelet cooperation with their hosts which you have delineated is in itself a kind of smokecreen for an actual response to my pointed request for clarification about your position as to the genesis and nature of that triadic relationship.
Therefore I rest my conclusion that you have confused your audience here with another...and that we are not the intelligence acolytes\neophytes you were seeking to impress\overawe.
is pure evasion. Totally redirecting the conversation to avoid capture.
needs be reworked into something more transparent and less 'insider jargon' typology before a response can be rendered.
will not pass muster... as it does not read the meaning and message of 'domestic terrorism' as a political tool... either in Pakistan or Merikan context. needs to be reworked to be understandable. I'll reserve comment till that occurs. Essentially, you were asked to persuade us that there are so-called ''radical fundamentalist Muslim" elements which exist outside the command and control of the western powers\sionist umbrella of evil. You have chosen not to do so. That's it in a nutshell. Thank you for your response.You are alternating between condescending and rational, and have a frustrating organizational and typographical formatting, but I'm probably guilty of the same. However, my patience for this game is tiring. I'm not going to touch Bnai Brith because I don't personal experience with the organization or the personalities involved.
The Saudis are not US puppets, they are US backed and there is a difference, and if you don't understand that subtly then you are every bit the neophyte you claim not to be. If the Saudis were actually US puppets they would have been building their new SPRs on US-protected territory, not territory where their reserve oil is protected from the US MIC and the Federal Reserve, and parking their monetary assets in the specific Swiss banks they chose. Prince Bandar may be reliable trouble shooter for institution of the Monarchy and may have an extremely close relationship with the Bush clan, but he is a half-breed among a thousand thoroughbreds and the Sudiary have been stacking gold and fiat while consolidating power since the founding of KSA.
Fort Benning was an analogy, just like the start-up/JV. I'm sorry the US doesn't a formal one-stop Spooks 'R US like they do Soldiers 'R US, but its a valid analogy and you are misdirecting by focusing on the curriculum of the analogous pairing.
As to Bhutto, I know what I know, and the death of the judge investigating her murder doesn't have any impact on the paradigm. In Pakistan, if it's Friday it might as be Arch Duke Ferdinand Day- life is cheap, the politicians a cold and calculating, and death happens, until even a perfunctory investigation is performed, neither you nor I know know shit, unless we were involved in the assassination. Her widower was and is a corrupt SOB, he might have adjusted his rates, but he now tasked with the expense of maintaining a political base that is not his own. While Benazir might not have personally been pocketing her spouse's pilfering, she didn't need to. Uncle (he might actually be a cousin) Mumtaz is a good 'ol 21st century feudal lord with his own six figure population of serfs, her father also maintained very close familial relations with Sheikh Zayed, which were maintained after Zulfikar's assassination.
I covered the JV analogy above, as to the spook/diplomat distinction (with or without a difference), you should know exactly what I was referring to unless you were among the fools claiming here that there was no State Department "facility" in Benghazi the week of September 11, 2012. I could check, but I do have obligations to deal with today.
Silos, the post 9/11/01 public outcry was that information wasn't being shared effectively and there wasn't coordination of the intelligence apparatus within the US (which is an inherently simpler integration than one which spans multiple sovereign States). In response the idiots on Capital Hill gave us the DNI, the DHS, the Patriot Act and promises that information would be shared effectively and agencies would coordinate. Congress has spent billions of taxpayer dollars "investing" in a solution, but the same communication and coordination issues between "now integrated" US intelligence agencies keep rearing their head every time there is a "terrorist" event somewhere. The Saudi aspect is a self evident foreign extension of the false paradigm of intelligence integration and coordination.
AlCIAda Nukes-
GW threw the nutball notion: There is also a remote possibility that rogue fundamentalist Christian military personnel could start a nuclear war against Muslim nations.
I replied to rbg81s comment that: There is a much larger possibility that rogue fundamentalist Muslim military personnel could start a nuclear war against Christian or Hindu nations. The count of attacks against SAC facilities vs. NCA (PAK) facilities over the last 36 months is rather lopsided...
Your original presumptuous jargon filled quote that started this whole debate "Well, the chances of that have decreased exponentially...at least for the moment...with the fleeing from the country of the AlCIAda chief in Pakistan...who the ISI decided to identify, and therefore delist from more mischief of the kind that gets all the sionazis droolin with anticipation of false flag nuklear nightmares! Sorry it didn't work out for y'all this time!"
In mathematical terms my contention has always been that it simply isn't any sort of exponential reduction of the risk it's an arithmetic reduction that is at best based on the notion that cutting one head from the hydra incapacitates it. In fairness, ...at least for the moment..., is a valid and vague hedge, but I still contest the underlying assumption, and you go off the rails ranting about "false flag nuclear nightmares" which translated for the jargon you hypocritically disparage implies that the you believe that the NCA facilities were being attacked at the behest of the CIA.
HW Bush (& Clinton when the QB changed jerseys)- Russians had left Afghanistan, the Berlin Wall had come down, the Evil Empire was defeated, and all those unfulfilled promises in Central Asia could be written off and added to the fictitious "Peace Dividend" In Afghanistan it was simply cut & run and don't worry about the cleanup, while in Pakistan, diplomat's hands were now tied over agreements for F-16s which preliminary funds had already traded hands, multilateral financing for designed power projects was no longer available... The power plants were and are actually a much smaller undertaking than a natural gas pipeline from one of the Pars fields to Pakistan. The first route was contingent on gas from Qatar, and the follow up alternative (which was recently agreed to) dependent on gas from Iran.
Essentially, you were asked to persuade us that there are so-called "radical fundamentalist Muslim" -- No, don't distort the mess you created, unless you are explicitly arguing that NCA facilities were being attacked on the orders of the CIA and Barrack Obama.
You've gone over this condescension thing several times now... and I think it's time to get over it. Whatever rubs you the wrong when about my approach, you can 2x it in reverse .... and get a pretty good idea of the discipline that is required of me in keeping the conversation civil. So let's just agree to keep away from the personal jibes and stay on topic.
I'll just use one example and leave it for you to ponder: The Saudis are not US puppets, they are US backed and there is a difference, and if you don't understand that subtly then you are every bit the neophyte you claim not to be.
The Saudis... as I previously and directly pointed out... are a faux Muslim regime of Donmeh crytpos... sharing the same bloodlines and strategic goals as their cousins in Tel Aviv... if you don't understand what I am saying overtly ..... [just fill in the blanks] you made an error of assumption. I don't expect you to apologize for it, but I do expect you'll tighten up your presentation. And put away you hope of intimidating anybody here fo'ever. OK?
Ft Benning, and much of your references, is a separate stream of policy and execution from the main actors and themes we are discussing here. You've thrown in that, DOD, and a couple of othe non-sequitors that lead away from, not towards the theatre and the actors central to the topic. Dawg has correctly responded to the no one stop shop remark... I don't need to go over it again.
The tell about your position overall in this 'who are the real terrorists' debate is your attitude towards Bhutto/ and I'm gonna cover that in another post cause it's really the key to unlocking the identity which you've otherwise gone out of your way to evade enunciating for us.
Your lines regarding Benghazi are simply too much slippage into the character I asked you to forgo for this debate... I'm going to skip that to so as to keep my side civil as promised.
Re the PaK NUKES... AND our original encounter... again... to keep it civil I'm gonna skip your return to character and just pretend you weren't goading -again. Come agin when you can keep a cool head.
Another example of a rushed(and failed)assumption which presumes to state my case for me. Cancel... luckily, again, for this one Dawg has take the right tact and I can leave it at that. There's a number of possible positions which your interlocutor can have which have never occurred to you... failure to factor that possibility in, either witting , or unwittingly does not serve your overall argument well, believe it or not.
From what I can gather... what originally was the one thing in the previous thread which drew my attention to you... the radical fundamentalist remark... you are now saying was a throw away line in frustated response to one of Georges/ there is not a lot else of what you have talked about that is of fundamental interest to me... if you're saying now it was all a mistake that we locked horns at the outset over a throw away line.... c'est la vie!
I think our interests lie in different yards, but the dog may have a damn good nose for truffles that may interest you . There's a paradigm shift outside of my window of experience, after which I see a pattern, but not a program. If I was being flippant I would say that bloodlines are tangential, not causal, but that masks a more nuanced position and a tendency towards outcome driven resolutions, so I am going to have think about how to properly phrase this later, because I'm not interested in the typical 1-word over-simplification which is factually inaccurate. I'll knock on the dog's door with some wording before church tomorrow (Eurozone debacle time).
In this, you are entirely correct. The Saudis are the puppets of the very same political power of which the US is also a puppet.
That is also true...at the operational level. However, at the directorate level, the selection and appointment process is directly under the control of the above-mentioned [foreign] political power. FDR started this process, Eisenhower consolidated it, and Kennedy tried to break it - which directly led to his demise.
In fact, the intelligence services have been the purview of said foreign political power for century after century (even going back to attempting to control Elizabethan England). In the fledgling US, prior to the formation of the FBI - and later the OSS/CIA - it was the navy that carried out intelligence activities - and the US Navy was also directly under the control of that foreign political power right from its very first secretary.
However, to your point about chaos and confusion: This is a natural consequence of the necessity for the foreign power to not appear to be involved. Of necessity, this requires a "hands-off" management paradigm - which is further complicated by siloing and compartmentalisation - and can lead to well-meaning minions acting in ways which will cause unintended outcomes. It is only today, in the final stages of attempted takeover, that the agents of the foreign power - Obomber, Holder, Brennan, Napolitano, et al - appear to be acting with complete impunity against both the US people and the international community.
These are not necessarily linked. The CIA is well known for acting independently of Presidential order.
Red meat! Thanks.
However, at the directorate level, the selection and appointment process is directly under the control of the above-mentioned [foreign] political power. A sentence worthy of a "hands-on" dissection by a cigar wielding Bubba Clinton himself, particularly in conjunction with a "hands-off" management paradigm by those with real influence (power). Following up on what I wrote to Joyful below-
Dulles and his original cohorts developed and implemented a foundation, architecture, and "process flow" for their CIA creation. The specifics are worthy of exploration and debate, but require iterative definition for proper debate.
Foundation: The preservation and expansion of "empire".
Architecture: A number of parrallel silos organized along functional lines with interraction only to the minimum extent required to execute their function. Within each silo (directorate) further silos or fiefdoms with interraction constraints but organized along sub-functional, geographic, methodological or other criteria based on the directorate function. At the top of each silo, a director chosen by the DCI or executive director, but for practical purposes the list of candidates is confined to the existing employee roster. Above and connecting all these silos is the "ornamental" roof consisting of the executive "face" of the organization and the handful of personalities that either the President or the Congress has any vote or voice in selecting.
Process Flow: Like any exclusive club it is a tale of the 1%ers and the 99%ers. Because it's an exclusive club only 1%ers need apply, and of those, only a percentage are accepted for membership or employment by the CIA. However, where you see "an appointment process... directly under the control..." I see the resident evil of human resources and orgizational development theory making a first culling of the fresh meat. The process by which, from among the 1% of the 1%, a further 1% is further chosen/annoited for the express elevator (as opposed to long slog up the corporate elevator) to the very ironically named SIS, from amongst whom the directorate heads are chosen.
That selection criteria for THAT PROCESS, executed in that architectural framework, is critical to either preserving or re-FORMing the foundation upon which the organization rests. Bloodlines, pedigrees, certifications, psychological profile, can help open initial doors and facilitate access to the club, but capacity and fundamentalism (strict adherence to the doctrine which serves as the organization's foundation) are key to elusive formula which the cabal of cohorts uses to replenish its ranks, and from whom the directorate heads are chosen while the rest of the cabal tends to their demenses.
However, over in the public sphere, attention focuses on the peephole perspective of public appointments. Who cares who the President appoints designated-fall-guy (DCI) or designated-bench-warmer (deputy)? Efforts at top-down reform from without are destined to fail by design. Most appointments are dull and seem more geared towards containment or simply maintenance of the self-sustaining status quo. Some of the retreads are more interesting, except Bush. Porter Goss was an interesting experiment, he rolled in and took the Antoine Louis approach to the hydra, and failed miserably to re-FORM the beast, even if he ammassed an impressive collection of scalps and forced a cacophonous symphony of musical desk chairs amongst the survivors. Brennan is a downright scary experiment (particularly if one actually thinks through the operational mechanics of most 9/11 theories)- is he a sycophant trying to please a public master, or is he a homicidal maniac who will allow the manor lords to carry out their business unimpeded, or even worse reinforced and further insulated from any and all Washington encroachment?
Bon appetit
One of my favorite topics Dawg. The history and inner workings of the vast Secret Government set up to serve the Sionist Imperium... a central part of my own 'semi-fictional' opus which stalled out about half way through!
In truth the process was begun with Truman's Presidency ...with his dissolution of OSS and creation of CIG(Central Intelligence Group) - but the plotting by McCloy and other players behind the scenes resulted in a split of collection, collation, and execution that would be continously exploited to weaken executive control over the agents that foreign powers could work on... and through.
As our friend here has shown little inclination or to discuss that part of what got us to where we are today(a sionist octopus with tentacles all over the globe, we can only speculate what his intent might have been in bringing up the historical perspective and then dropping it when informed parties appear. At best, we can suppose him to be exclusively 'strategically' oriented... and not interested in the moralities of the wider angle lense.
But I glean from what he has said about the Paks and such that he is a fully committed member of the team tasked with making srael invisible and the "muslim' the available fall guy for the Zatonic crimes which afflict the world. Pity that he has not yet learned to control his temper... I was using this thread as enjoyable therapy after the all broadaxe and pike work required on the zio-mbies hordes!
I was right, the dog does have a nose for truffles.
And we're getting to a very interesting place.
I think we disagree on the name of the beast, but identification by name vs nature at the macro level is a subsequent discussion to its application in the process.
The CIA is the ideal petri dish because it is an implementation in it's purest form (by reason of isolation and insulation), whereas the State Department implementation suffers dissociative identity disorder, and the DoD implementation develops in direct conjunction with the RCGD & NTL, and that academic foundation is a prerequisite to effective implementation on such a large scale. I suspect the implicit theory also lies behind the mechanisms utilized in the broader finance sector.
My interest lies in two very specific and practical questions which I (and countless others) have to address from time to time. How do we build something that endures? and How do we re-FORM something extant such that reforms endure?
The construction of the CIA hydra and its ability to not only survive the Kennedy putsch but to reinforce itself within the agency while metastasizing outside the agency is a testament to the "wisdom" of the design - Whether the application of that knowledge is for good or for evil is a subsequent debate because without the tool of that knowledge one cannot combat either good or evil with any reasonable expectation of success, as the tragically comical preordained case of the see any of the reformist DCIs without agency experience testifies to.
Time to feed the dog some choice selection of fundamentalism and bloodlines, after I feed myself.
My humble apologies for bursting in on your therapy session, amigo!
"We now return you to our regular programming...."
Open forum Dawg...
I'm always delighted to see your zzzzzzzzzzzzzz's!
anti-semitism is contrived, being "jewish" is not a racial catagory (see Gilad Atzmon's writings) as Jews are drawn from numerous races over time, and the vast majority are Ashkenazi and decidedly not semitic. And the state of israel is a zionist creation. opposing israeli government policies or actions does not constitute anti-semitism.
A zionist creation by some well funded psychos:
http://vigilantcitizen.com/sinistersites/sinister-sites-israel-supreme-c...
making Zionism vs Judaism ultimately moot...Just another puppet distraction of global destruction as the surveilling all-seeing eye manipulates its stealthy controls towards a Godless Luciferian shit show.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oqJH1KXlPs
"Anti-semitic", "hollowcost" - different shit; same asshole...
How does quoting an official within the intelligence community, saying "it could be an Israeli false-flag", work out to "the author of this post is writing hate speech"?
1. It is a quote, not the post's authors view
2. it says COULD not WAS
3. the post covers the likely three scenarios:
a. Syrian Rebels made the video
b. The Assad Regime made the video
c. Israelis made the video
And the result is a call of caution, not a call to attack Israel
throw out "anti-semite" like a good little hebe bitch
that's the defense they always use when trying to defend an indefensible position.
when I get called an anti-semite for pointing out the evil the israel does, I wear it like a badge of honor.
it's a word that has been rendered meaningless by it overuse. be proud when they call you an anti-semite for it only means you told the truth.
An anti-Semite used to be someone who didn't like Jews. Now it means someone the Jews don't like.
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the military is upgrading their bunker busters for"negotiations" with the Iranians but Moshe Hagel- on his ball-licking tour of Israel last week-told the hebes that they don't get any of them. fuck Israel, the Zionists and the Neocons. Remember-the US bully boys never pick on anybody their own size(meaning nuke-owners)
Oh, but the Iranians are sooo cuddly and cute...
Che Guevara may well be dead, however, this kind of sarcasm is still very lopsided!
If the CIA had not, with British agreement, overthrown the democratically elected government of Iran back in the 1950s, then the current Iranian regime would never have been driven to exist by that kind of Western interference. Of course, I do not like Islam, which is just another imperialist information system, or another organized crime, with the old-fashioned kinds of justifications for their crimes that "Allah" says so ... However, Western powers have done things which have made that trend become even worse, rather than allow those countries time to perhaps mellow out more.
We are all inside of a basic system of debt slavery, backed by wars based on deceits, which is spinning out of control, since the debt slavery system structure necessarily drives its numbers towards debt insanity. Therefore, we are being driven towards wars based on deceits which are going to become more insane.
Of course, Islam is just another system of organized lies, backed by violence, which is classically psychotic, as well as ironic, in the ways that it justifies its behaviour as being based on what an alleged prophet of God said was O.K., (which has the trick of asserting that its prophet was the last such prophet, so that it could not evolve.)
However, it is clear that that group is one of the few that were able to effectively organize against Western imperialism, with its state religion of faith-based money, which is legalized force backed frauds, whereby our high priests get to make "money" out of nothing, while forcing everyone else to accept that at face value, so that that kind of monetary system can contol natural resources.
Of course, I agree with the sarcasm that the Iranians are NOT "cuddly and cute." However, the Western fascist plutocracy is still a worse monster, whose behaviour has made Iranians respond by becoming much less "cute and cuddly," due to the ways that they were treated.
As another comment has pointed out, Iranians have not invaded anybody for 200 years, while the Anglo-American (Zionist) empire has been invading almost everybody during the last 200 years. In particular, the Anglo-American (Zionist) empire overthrew the democratically elected government of Iran, which prepared the way for the Islamic groups to emerge out of the revolution that was caused by that repression, to become the response to that Western imperialism.
Thereby, a crazy clash of cultures has been driven to get worse and worse, with the Western fascist plutocracy's state religion monetary system attempting to wipe out the Islamic state religion system. BOTH are deeply psychotic, and getting worse ... and so, they continue to prepare for more insane wars.
The fact that technologies are trillions of times more powerful has not done anything to change the insane state religions that control BOTH the Western countries, as well as the Islamic countries. (Of course, both groups tend to take their own social insanities for granted.) The Anglo-American (Zionist) empire is carrying through its agenda of wiping out all opposition to its kind of state religion, while the Islamic countries have a more old-fashioned form of a state religion, which they wish could become dominant.
BOTH of those kinds of organized crime gangs, based on their kinds of organized lies, operating organized robberies, have an increasingly insane opposition to each other. The Anglo-American (Zionist) empire became the globally dominant one during the past few hundred years, and they have been attacking and undermining all other systems, while attempting to either co-opt, or annihilate all of the other various kinds of organized crime gangs in the world.
Meanwhile, some of the bigger players, like Russia and China, which the Western banksters were able to kick the shit out of for quite a while in the past, have adapted by adopting Western technologies, and have been able to reorganize their countries to become more internally effective at coping with the Western imperialisms, by adopting a lot of their methods of organized crime, in almost as an effective way as the Western Anglo-American (Zionist) empire previously did. Both Russia and China have an interest in assisting Iran to resist the Anglo-American (Zionist) take over, by hook or by crook, of Iran.
Since those of us who live in North America have lived almost totally inside of our own form of a state religion, controlling almost every aspect of our lives, most of us did not have much consciousness of that being the case. We tend to look out at other cultures through our own set of brainwashed beliefs, which most of us have been conditioned to take for granted. We tend to be able to see how insane the Islamic state religion is, but can not as easily see how insane the Western state religion monetary system is.
Meanwhile, the Anglo-American (Zionist) empire appears willing and able to gamble on world war, along with imposing martial law within the countries it already controls, in order to go for consolidating the global hegemony of their kinds of state religions, (along with their other, more ancient, occult notions.) Most of world history for several hundred years had been primarily driven by European history, which spread out around the world, to become American history, finally resulting in the Anglo-American (Zionist) imperialism being the preeminent organized crime gang, that has taken almost complete control over all NATO countries already, and is working to consolidate its hegemony over the whole world.
Therefore, it is not surprising that the debt slavery, backed by wars based on deceits, systems have been primarily been driven by false flag attacks, originated by the Anglo-American (Zionist) empire, as a series of excuses for them to attack so many others.
We ARE looking at runaway social insanities, due to psychotic state religions, in deepening conflicts with each other. Of course, I do not think that the psychotic state religion of Islam is anything "cuddly and cute," but rather is a social monster, that would get worse the more relative social power it gained. However, the state religion that controls North America, and most of the rest of the world, is already a much bigger social monster, which is already a much worse psychotic state religion!
The deeper problem is that none of these different kinds of psychotic state religions have any rational basis, other than their history of being able to back up their own kinds of huge lies with violence. Therefore, they can not negotiate with each other in good faith, in order to maintain any better dynamic equilibria between each other. Instead, both were selected to become runaway social insanities, that are in deeply irrational and utterly insane conflicts with each other.
Meanwhile, all of them are embracing advances in science and technologies, to the degree that those will enable them to spread their lies, and back those lies up with violence, even more. That is basically the problem that the whole world faces. NONE of the established social systems of organized lies, operating organized robberies are "cuddly and cute." They are ALL runaway psychotic social monsters, and the bigger they are, the more monstrous they become!
While i dont doubt you have a diagnosis of VD (verbal d) this is your best post RM.
To add to the debate i also suggest machiavelli is being read by the socialists as much as anyone else...
Therefore a wise prince will seek means by which his subjects will always and in every possible condition of things have need of his government, and then they will always be faithful to him. -- Niccolo Machiavelli, "The Prince"well said
having any faith in the US dollar, its military, its bankers, its food producers or the guys at the podium seems like the most fanatical of religions
measured by the sure scale of lies and destruction...
compared to israelis, even a vampire at a hemophiliacs convention is considered cuddly and cute.
how many wars have the Iranians started in the last 100 years douchebag? Israel? US? what do we possibly give a fuck in the US about what Iran does?
What is your opinion on this video? I have a close contact that speaks Farsi.
She says this translation is accurate. Threat? or no threat?
http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/2247.htm
If memory serves me... MEMRI does not serve the truth or credibility
http://www.factsontheground.co.uk/2007/05/14/memri-and-its-mickey-mouse-...
http://rense.com/general77/norm.htm
Any news organization which reports what the nutjob mullahs are actually saying in the home country could be accused to diseminating hate. MERI di not create it. they just report on the hate for the west that permiates the Islamic middle east.
And if you read the links you could contest the proven assertion that they mis-translate to produce misinfo/disinfo on a regular basis
Last War Iran started was 200 years ago.
http://www.dailypaul.com/178779/the-last-time-iran-started-a-war
Petro-Dollar. The CIA removed the freely elected president of Iran, in the Mid-1950's, to put in their stoolie, the Shah.Now, those dastardly Iranians have the nerve to trade oil for gold and heavy equipment. Oh, the humanity! That they won't be depositing their newly acquired Petro-Dollars into Jewish run Western banks.
AIOC/BP was paying for oil in what currency?
Who was the Shah of Iran in 1951?
Who was the Shah of Iran in 1961?
There wasn't a President of Iran any time in the 1950s.
Prime Ministers are selected though what process?
It's impossible to engage in anything remotely resembling debate what such basic facts and historical events are butchered so badly.
"There wasn't a President of Iran any time in the 1950s."
Hey, retard, yes you...sell that bullshit at your local bowling alley to the rest of your knuckle dragging ilk. some people here actually read.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat
I guess your IQ is negative.
Since you apparently don't know the difference between a Head of State and a Head of Government
or between
a President and Prime Minister
Perhaps you should bother to read your own shit sourced wiki links, before calling others' names.
I though the current Iranian government has been running the country since 1979, hasn't it ? And if this is the case, isn't it somewhat different from the previous government? Moreover, the ability to occupy someone does not necessary implies, there is never a desire to do so.
My point is, your statement above does not really mean anything. Especially given support of a civil war in Lebanon and other not so peaceful intentions.
Doubt Israel wants to mingle with Syria to a higher degree than it already does. There are only so many wars one can actively be engage in, without a risk of losing them all. And it seems they are finally getting it.
right, Israel has no need for raw resources, imperial expansion, or cooperation with the biggest supplier, empire and only supporter it has.....
and water... they badly need to steal more water...
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-02-11/israel-says-galilee-water-needs...
Shut up you guys! Jews never steal! You hear me? Jews NEVER steal!
At a minimum they need are after a radar-free flight corridor to Iran. hujel
When Genghis Bush overthrew the Sunni Regime in Iraq in order to get that oil-producer back on the petrodollar, he (inadvertantly) established a Shi'a Crescent running from Tehran thru Baghdad and Damascus, and on to Hezbollah in south Lebanon. Couple years later, with secure supply line to Iran, Hezbollah kicked Israeli ass during the '06 border war. That's what the current Syria excercise is about: breaking the Shi'te Cresecent at its weakest link. But the Russians are in the way. Such a dilemma for the ZOGsters and neo-conz.
Nonsense. You live in an almost perfectly delusional world IMHO.
http://thespiritoftruth.blogspot.com/2012/12/whats-really-going-on-in-syria-video-of.html