Just Like Iraq: U.S. Arms Butchers Who Use Chemical Weapons On Civilians … and Then Tries to Frame Someone Else

George Washington's picture

UN investigator Carla Del Ponte said that there is strong evidence that the rebels used chemical weapons, but that there is not evidence that the government used such weapons:

This is not surprising.  Haaretz reported on March 24th, “Jihadists, not Assad, apparently behind reported chemical attack in Syria“.

The “rebels” in Syria that the U.S. has been arming and otherwise supporting are Al Qaeda and Muslim Brotherhood.

Unfortunately, history is repeating.

Specifically, the American government gave chemical weapons to Saddam Hussein … which he then used on Iran and on his own Kurdish population.

The American government attempted to blame Iran for the chemical weapons attack on Iraq’s Kurds.

And see this.

Too serious for you?   Here's a little comedy (don't worry, this couldn't possibly be real ... it obviously has to be satire ... right?):

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pine_marten's picture

Do you folks really need that little sarcasm blip?  Sheesh......

pine_marten's picture

It's a hazmat site now.  Super-fund and all.  Only way to clean it up is with cruise missles & blood.  Who really care who let the genie out?  It's time to party!!!

George Washington's picture

You must be a defense contractor. The only people who think it's time to party are defense contractors.

pine_marten's picture

It's a hazmat site now.  Super-fund and all.  Only way to clean it up is with cruise missles & blood.  Who really care who let the genie out?  It's time to party!!!

George Washington's picture

The only people who think it's time to party are defense contractors.

stiler's picture

Geo. Wash.

your reference to your article, "Corrupt Govt Officials , Many of Whom are atheists" is interesting, esp in the dispensationalism ref. We have a problem in our western "Helenistic" thought: polemics. This is somewhat "off topic", but very good if any could ever watch it and had the time, then at least part 1 &2:



rsnoble's picture

If the latest Syria bombing were a nuclear explosion im pretty sure the video would be non-existent as he was close enough to get his ass blown away and I didn't see any lights in the darkness go out.  Pretty puny nuke lol.

Element's picture

I don't think these guys have a clue what a high explosive reaction can do, let alone a nuke, or the sort of shockwave it would produce. There wouldn't have been one 'effing window left in the whole of Manhattan if a critical mass of any size yield was involved.

Alas, the windows all survived. No neo-Keynesian paradise.

It must have been one of those majik nukes, the ones that don't make a shockwave - damn it!

rsnoble's picture

People have had several years to study Iraq, 9-11 etc and with the internet it is increasingly harder for the morons to play the same games.  Oh they'll keep playing them though and ramming them down our throats but it will become more difficult and hopefully someone will at least get their hands slapped before something really bad happens but I tend to doubt it.  That will be about the time they'll drop the big one and officially burn the constitution.  Anything to save themselves even if it means death for the rest of us.

no2foreclosures's picture

To George Washington and all the rest: Until and unless you fully realize and fully admit the following, you are only fighting Absolute Evil with your eyes and mind half closed.

The correct title for this article should be . . .

Just Like Iraq: U.S. Butchers Used Chemical, Biological and Nuclear Weapons On Civilians ... and Then Tries to Frame It As Though They Are Spreading Democracy, Freedom And Liberty

Trampy's picture

Just Like It Ever Was:

U.S. Commits Genocide On Civilians, Honestly Believing It Makes World A Better Place.

JOYFUL's picture

That's rad bro...

but not untrue. And therefore I salute you... in the hope that our peeples may yet be set free.

frostfan's picture

Well golly gee, guys, the nuclear explosion story has lots of paragraphs so it must be true.  As a matter of facts, 1,482 engineers and architects swear it's a nuclear explosion.  That's even more people then those that say it's an mossad/cia explosion that brought down 7 WTC hahahahahahahahaha

George Washington's picture

1,482 engineers and architects do NOT swear it's a nuclear explosion.

That is a Number 4!

YHC-FTSE's picture

Before this great article disappears from the main page, just want to add my thanks to you and those who posted in support. 

I had little to add this time to the discussion,  but maybe next time soon.

JOYFUL's picture

And one of the best things about George's posts here lately has been the way they have forced\allowed people to take a position.

Your own posts on his threads lately found a clear resonance with the broad consensus here - in staking out some 'middle ground' in the midst of seeming chaos... a voice of moderation, if I can call it that. Not so easy to find anymore.

It's taken some hard and in-close fighting to bring it about... but the scope and clarity of the discussion - compared to just a year ago has improved exponentially...and though the baiters have done their level best to level our forum... because enough people cared to step up and take a stand... they have lost that struggle... and the leverage that their poisoned words once gained them.

If only we could somehow extrapolate that to the 'real' world!

YHC-FTSE's picture

You're too kind, and I can only agree with your observations on the elevated quality of the posts from others like yourself. Beneath the tragedies of reality and the frustrations of knowledge,  it is an enlightening learning experience and a relief to share them against those who constantly try to divide and incite. 

I know, if only we could disseminate this further! Many thanks.

Bearwagon's picture

And here's at least one physicist who swears that it was NOT a nuclear explosion.  ;-)

Element's picture

Surprising that after the huge explosion and fireball seen over the western outskirts of Damascus a few days ago, that some dropkick like Jim Stone hasn't claimed this as sure-proof of Israeli nukes being used ... yet again, ... because they do it quite a lot you see ... so does the USA ... they're incorrigible... all over the place ... it's really freakin me out man.

Trampy's picture

Really?  Maybe having passed Physics 101 doesn't make you a physicist.  No legit scientist would make such a sweeping claim without showing even a shred of evidence.   Basic logic: it's exceedingly difficult to conclusively prove a negative.

How do you explain the high values for U/Th--that, and no Pu, indicating non-US design--fission products (especially the Sr/Ba ratio), plus the actinides? ... all found by USGS here:





Bearwagon's picture

What do you know, which courses I have passed? Doesn't matter. As I mentioned in another comment the evidence on which I base my claim is the blast wave development and thermal radiation emission. And those high values of Uranium and Thorium can be explained in many ways, and not much of them require a nuclear explosion. You know, "prompt overcriticality" is not necessarily the source of those radioactive traces. And just for the record: Where are the typical fission products found, that are generated by every nuclear chainreaction?! Instead of doubting my qualification, you should take care of your own, me thinks. But maybe I didn't make myself clear - in that case I apologize.

frostfan's picture

Yeah, a nuclear explosion.......based on a video of a fireball.....   Why shouldn't the guy think the story has legs.  You people in your desperation to blame Israel and America for anything and everything are expected to swallow everything written that is negative about Israel.  Damn the truth, we're blaming Israel for a nuclear explosion!!!! LOLOLOLOL.  Yeah,  that's it.  I bet is was delivered from the downed fighter jet hahahahahahahahhaha

Augustus's picture


Geo Wash and many more of those with the Catastrophe Compulsion who post here follow the modern journalistic parctice.  NEVER let the facts interfere with the story.

BadKiTTy's picture

hay frostf**k! 

I can remember when I was 12 years old as well - knew f' all! 



JOYFUL's picture

Actually, in one of GW's other threads here recently... Frosty let it out that he\she is a parent.

Which places them in an interesting situational solidarity with all of us... opposing perspectives... "opposing"(quote unquote x2!)religions\cultures... etc... who's most fervid desire is to leave this world a place that our children may enjoy as much chance for a good and peaceful life as our parents strove and sacrificed... for us to have.

So Frosty, whoever he\she may be is indeed an 'adult' ... with the same core loyalties as all the rest of us... peace n plenty for all who follow....right Frosty?

p.s. ...methinks we deserve a considered answer on this from you and all the rest of the warmongers here... and therefore I'll leave this on replay every time I see your avatar... until we get one.

frostfan's picture


My hunch is that in a conversation, you and I could agree to disagree or maybe you would find it impossible to do so with a "warmonger" like me.  And yes, I want to leave this place better for my child and another on the way.  But joyful,  you may think the crowd here thinks the same way, I don't buy it.  Or perhaps they want to do so by means of a nuclear mushroom cloud over Tel Aviv.  GW brings the Hiter was good followers whose comments gets more green than red arrows and this is his blog, not yours.  He's the one that sets the tone here.  ZH is a good place to discuss why gasoline consumption is falling by 5% in the US and warning us of student loan bubbles.  GW brings a whole different crowd here and Tyler approves.  It's his site, his choice.

JOYFUL's picture

Underneath the froth of seething misanthropy and seeming sea of petty hatreds here.... you will find, Frosty... some of the most big-hearted and kindly disposed people on this planet.

Maybe that's why you're here too... without really knowing what brought you. I wish all the best for you and yours... and hope to see your heart grow as expansively as my own has... from knowing that some other folks really care for more than just themselves.

George Washington's picture

I already said I don't think it was a nuclear explosion. You sock puppets should coordinate better.

frostfan's picture

The comment was in response to Customerman.   Did you yourself just use rule #4?

Bearwagon's picture

And I can even assure you, that you are right: It was no nuclear explosion. This is clearly indicated by the typical blast wave development and thermal radiation emission. The early fireball of a nuclear explosion is very different from every fireball of a chemical detonation!

Arkadaba's picture

and main stream media spouts the party line.

I do remember at some point in the distant past there were creatures known as investigative journalists. Often not liked but appreciated nonetheless. 

I found the article below resonated with my own observations. The headline compares contemporary journalism in america to pravda during communist rule. I think it is apt. 

Our American Pravda

BullyBearish's picture

Sheeple at home, sheeple in uniform.  Amazing what is done for a little paycheck.

WTFUD's picture

Not being that bright, just slightly more so than BHO, all i would like to add is " hannah fuck off you steenking bloody cunt ".

CustomersMan's picture



Nuclear Detonation In Syria , From Guess Where ?

This should be easy enough to prove with all the sensors in place. If we could only get honest news reporting that isn't controlled by the most likely perpetrators.

A mini Bunker-Buster Nuke, Not Secondary Weapons Depot Explosions. If this is accurate, Israel has one less nuclear weapon in it's arsenal. If you saw the video from the blast several miles away, it certainly did not look conventional.


from: jimstonefreelance.com  Just out.

May 6, 2013

I was blown offline to prevent this from being posted. I am back, for who knows how long . . . . Analysis of the video from Syria proves it to be a nuclear air burst beyond all doubt.



The referenced capture is from the video linked below. If you cannot get that exact frame to pause well enough to be captured, it is because your computer is not able to handle the distraction of the pause button while playing video - pull the video into an editor to grab the frame if this happens


It is fairly easy to prove the blast was a nuclear air burst with terms anyone can understand.

Many people said the blast could not have been nuclear because the color was wrong. But a frame analysis of the exact frame that captured the initial blast proves the camera maxed out in all 3 color channels, which by itself proves the blast was nuclear. Further analysis proves the camera captured more blue than any other color. The following eyedropper sample of the explosion from an un edited frame capture proves the camera went to 255 in all 3 color channels across a majority of the frame, which is the maximum value a camera can record, or pure white.

.....continues at site

TSA gropee's picture

DU doesn't explode. We used a chunk of it as a counterbalance to a laser targeting pod I worked on a number of years ago. 2 inches thick, about 8" across. Deceptively heavy. We referred to it as the hernia stone.

DU is used in munitions for AP or armor piercing, generally penetrating its target after discarding the sabot and fins on an APDSFS round. The small highly dense projectile impacts with a massive amount of kenetic energy and back in my day it could penetrate 900mm of armor depending upon caliber. 105 or 120mm, can't remember.

Goldilocks's picture

blindman: can you live with this?


Beyond Treason(2005) Documentary
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZVOOmi9gDE (1:28:54)

TNTARG's picture

They're just guilty of crimes agaist humanity. Traitors to the US State and the US Citizens.

There's no economic recovery, no democracy possible with mass murderers running USA/NATO.

The only possibility is truth and justice. And we should be all on it because we all pay the price of their perverse. criminal actions.

No future without truth and Justice.

q99x2's picture

There's a mass murderer in the White House and he's coming after us.

Everybodys All American's picture

Iraqi weapons quotes for you GW ...

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
--Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by:
-- Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
-Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by:
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), and others, Dec 5, 2001

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
-- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
-- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do"
-- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002


That was the build up to Iraq. Look for the same today with Syria.

Augustus's picture

Everybody's All,

Did you leave out the explanation of how George W. Bush was able to get Al Gore and John Kerry to call for the removal of Hussein years before Bush became President?  Surely those honest Democrats were not trying to Lie the Country into War.

Joseph Jones's picture

Michael Piper makes a good case that the CIA drafted Bill Clinton, then-Hillary Rodham, and John Kerry while attending University.  As per SOP described by Machiavelli in his midevil book "The Prince," the enemy (us, the CIA) drafts what looks like the opposition (alleged anti-war, youth movement, counter-culture proponents, persons who look like they desire to "take down walls" like scum of the earth Hillary) in order to get closer to the enemy. 

I double dare anyone to propose another explanation for the following: The average brain dead (public schools all run by Dems/liberals) American perceieves Kerry, Clinton, Pelosi, Barack Ofeces, Boxer, as less inclined to war than the average Republican.  The above persons are every bit as interested in war as is John McCain and Lindsay Graham. 

This is just another version of, "Keep your friends close, your enmies closer."

Everybodys All American's picture

Your conclusions are accurate. I also left this out ...

How Many People Has Saddam Killed?

By John F. Burns
The New York Times | 1/27/2003

In the unlit blackness of an October night, it took a flashlight to pick them out: rust-colored butchers' hooks, 20 or more, each four or five feet long, aligned in rows along the ceiling of a large hangar-like building. In the grimmest fortress in Iraq's gulag, on the desert floor 20 miles west of Baghdad, this appeared to be the grimmest corner of all, the place of mass hangings that have been a documented part of life under Saddam Hussein.

At one end of the building at Abu Ghraib prison, a whipping wind gusted through open doors. At the far end, the flashlight picked out a windowed space that appeared to function as a control room. Baggy trousers of the kind worn by many Iraqi men were scattered at the edges of the concrete floor. Some were soiled, as if worn in the last, humiliating moments of a condemned man's life.

The United States is facing a new turning point in its plans to go to war to topple Mr. Hussein, with additional American troops heading for the Persian Gulf, while France and Germany lead the international opposition. But the pressure President Bush has applied already has created chances to peer into the darkest recesses of Iraqi life.

In the past two months, United Nations weapons inspections, mandated by American insistence that Mr. Hussein's pursuit of banned weapons be halted, have ranged widely across the country. But before this became the international community's only goal, Mr. Bush was also attacking Mr. Hussein as a murdering tyrant. It was this accusation that led the Iraqi leader to virtually empty his prisons on Oct. 20, giving Western reporters, admitted that day to Abu Ghraib, a first-hand glimpse of the slaughterhouse the country has become.

In the end, if an American-led invasion ousts Mr. Hussein, and especially if an attack is launched without convincing proof that Iraq is still harboring forbidden arms, history may judge that the stronger case was the one that needed no inspectors to confirm: that Saddam Hussein, in his 23 years in power, plunged this country into a bloodbath of medieval proportions, and exported some of that terror to his neighbors.

Reporters who were swept along with tens of thousands of near-hysterical Iraqis through Abu Ghraib's high steel gates were there because Mr. Hussein, stung by Mr. Bush's condemnation, had declared an amnesty for tens of thousands of prisoners, including many who had served long sentences for political crimes. Afterward, it emerged that little of long-term significance had changed that day. Within a month, Iraqis began to speak of wide-scale re-arrests, and officials were whispering that Abu Ghraib, which had held at least 20,000 prisoners, was filling up again.

Like other dictators who wrote bloody chapters in 20th-century history, Mr. Hussein was primed for violence by early childhood. Born into the murderous clan culture of a village that lived off piracy on the Tigris River, he was harshly beaten by a brutal stepfather. In 1959, at age 22, he made his start in politics as one of the gunmen who botched an attempt to assassinate Iraq's first military ruler, Abdel Karim Kassem.

Since then, Mr. Hussein's has been a tale of terror that scholars have compared to that of Stalin, whom the Iraqi leader is said to revere, even if his own brutalities have played out on a small scale. Stalin killed 20 million of his own people, historians have concluded. Even on a proportional basis, his crimes far surpass Mr. Hussein's, but figures of a million dead Iraqis, in war and through terror, may not be far from the mark, in a country of 22 million people.

Where the comparison seems closest is in the regime's mercilessly sadistic character. Iraq has its gulag of prisons, dungeons and torture chambers — some of them acknowledged, like Abu Ghraib, and as many more disguised as hotels, sports centers and other innocent-sounding places. It has its overlapping secret-police agencies, and its culture of betrayal, with family members denouncing each other, and offices and factories becoming hives of perfidy.

"Enemies of the state" are eliminated, and their spouses, adult children and even cousins are often tortured and killed along with them.

Mr. Hussein even uses Stalinist maxims, including what an Iraqi defector identified as one of the dictator's favorites: "If there is a person, then there is a problem. If there is no person, then there is no problem."

There are rituals to make the end as terrible as possible, not only for the victims but for those who survive. After seizing power in July 1979, Mr. Hussein handed weapons to surviving members of the ruling elite, then joined them in personally executing 22 comrades who had dared to oppose his ascent.

The terror is self-compounding, with the state's power reinforced by stories that relatives of the victims pale to tell — of fingernail-extracting, eye-gouging, genital-shocking and bucket-drowning. Secret police rape prisoners' wives and daughters to force confessions and denunciations. There are assassinations, in Iraq and abroad, and, ultimately, the gallows, the firing squads and the pistol shots to the head.

DOING the arithmetic is an imprecise venture. The largest number of deaths attributable to Mr. Hussein's regime resulted from the war between Iraq and Iran between 1980 and 1988, which was launched by Mr. Hussein. Iraq says its own toll was 500,000, and Iran's reckoning ranges upward of 300,000. Then there are the casualties in the wake of Iraq's 1990 occupation of Kuwait. Iraq's official toll from American bombing in that war is 100,000 — surely a gross exaggeration — but nobody contests that thousands of Iraqi soldiers and civilians were killed in the American campaign to oust Mr. Hussein's forces from Kuwait. In addition, 1,000 Kuwaitis died during the fighting and occupation in their country.

Casualties from Iraq's gulag are harder to estimate. Accounts collected by Western human rights groups from Iraqi émigrés and defectors have suggested that the number of those who have "disappeared" into the hands of the secret police, never to be heard from again, could be 200,000. As long as Mr. Hussein remains in power, figures like these will be uncheckable, but the huge toll is palpable nonetheless.

Just as in Stalin's Russia, the machinery of death is mostly invisible, except for the effects it works on those brushed by it — in the loss of relatives and friends, and in the universal terror that others have of falling into the abyss. If anybody wants to know what terror looks like, its face is visible every day on every street of Iraq.

"Minders," the men who watch visiting reporters day and night, are supposedly drawn from among the regime's harder men. But even they break down, hands shaking, eyes brimming, voices desperate, when reporters ask ordinary Iraqis edgy questions about Mr. Hussein.

"You have killed me, and killed my family," one minder said after a photographer for The New York Times made unauthorized photographs of an exhibition of statues of the Iraqi dictator during a November visit to Baghdad's College of Fine Arts. In recent years, the inexorable nature of Iraq's horrors have been demonstrated by new campaigns bearing the special hallmark of Mr. Hussein. In 1999, a complaint about prison overcrowding led to an instruction from the Iraqi leader for a "prison cleansing" drive. This resulted, according to human rights groups, in hundreds, and possibly thousands, of executions.

Using a satanic arithmetic, prison governors worked out how many prisoners would have to be hanged to bring the numbers down to stipulated levels, even taking into account the time remaining in the inmates' sentences. As 20 and 30 prisoners at a time were executed at Abu Ghraib and elsewhere, warders trailed through cities like Baghdad, "selling" exemption from execution to shocked families, according to people in Iraq who said they had spoken to relatives of those involved. Bribes of money, furniture, cars and even property titles brought only temporary stays.

More recently, according to Iraqis who fled to Jordan and other neighboring countries, scores of women have been executed under a new twist in a "return to faith" campaign proclaimed by Mr. Hussein. Aimed at bolstering his support across the Islamic world, the campaign led early on to a ban on drinking alcohol in public. Then, some time in the last two years, it widened to include the public killing of accused prostitutes.

Often, the executions have been carried out by the Fedayeen Saddam, a paramilitary group headed by Mr. Hussein's oldest son, 38-year-old Uday. These men, masked and clad in black, make the women kneel in busy city squares, along crowded sidewalks, or in neighborhood plots, then behead them with swords. The families of some victims have claimed they were innocent of any crime save that of criticizing Mr. Hussein.


That mf'er deserved to die with or without weapons of mass destruction.

Augustus's picture

Even after death the devoted admirers of Hussein support him.  Hussein is exactly the man who would appeal to Geo Wash.  He was someone who new how to deal with disagreements and get things done.