A few questions to ask yourself. Is this a false flag operation? Why now for the timing of the release? Did the timing coincide with the talks between Xi and Obama? Why go to China and not Uruguay? Why didn't Snowden release his findings to a freedom loving Congressman? Why didn't he release his findings to a Senate Committee? I will withhold my opinion on his heroism until history sorts this out. It will take awhile. Whether he is a true hero or if he is a traitor his name will be dragged through the mud and false accusations will be leveled at him.
the making of the new founding fathers. this in concert with Zero Hedge as the modern version of "common sense". This is along the same lines of courage such as Sam Adams, Patrick Henry, Thomas Paine. Keeping these modern day freedom fighters, zero hedge included protected long enough to make a difference is the key. This time Alexander Hamilton cannot win. Capitalism without the government is key. The government cannot, i say cannot be allowed to become effective, effecient or sucessful in getting results.
It is my hope that the pursuit of power will help feed pride, which brings the fall. Capitalism must survive. I would be on the side of Madison and Jefferson and respectfully oppose G Washington.
In Hong Kong, ex-CIA man may not escape U.S. reach
(Reuters) - Edward Snowden's decision to flee to Hong Kong as he prepared to expose the U.S. government's secret surveillance programs may not save him from prosecution due to an extradition treaty in force since 1998.
Eric Snowden is a plant, a wooden nickel. There's no way that he simply walked files --whether physical or on a flash drive -- out of an NSA facility, a place with the most intense security in the world.
So, I'm also supposed to believe that this guy would just throw away his entire life and get on a plane to Hong Kong, after which he meets with a reporter who dutifiully publishes his allegedly secret information? Nothing this guy gave up was really a secret.
And why now? The timing is rather fishy. This literally comes right after the IRS and Benghazi revelations. This is coordinated...and not by just one guy. There's an agenda here, but I don't know what it is. Any thoughts?
Why now? after five years the media suddenly has an interest in reporting news? why are they no longer slobbering over themselves making excuses and protecting The One? the lap dogs suddenly biting? they suddenly got a conscience and grew a pair? ......not a chance
According to the lame cherry blog. TPTB warned obama and his regime to step away from the brink of what they were in the process of causing. Not for the good of humanity of course, but it is a threat to the NWO event based time line. instead they have kept pushing. LC called this outbreak of scandals months ago.
What you are seeing is when the puppet tries to slip his strings.
Believe it or not people committed deeply to the 3rd Reich did realize it was completely fucked up and betrayed it for the better good of humanity. This is no different.
The mainstream media this morning is only focused on how someone so unqualified could gain access to such vital government secrets. Rove came on FOX and went on at length about how OF COURSE this sort of domestic spying is essential in today's world. End of story. I think that if this IS a set-up, it is to make an example of dissenters and to further brainwash the sheeple as to what rights of privacy they should not expect.
"...we deserve a definition of the term "sacred trust", clappers working definition at least, and then let us consider if someone/s have broken a "sacred trust"..."
Why get all Attorney General on Clapper?
Besides, FISA court has already struck down at least one domestic spying operation, saying it violated the fourth amendment. I don't know if it had anything to do with the NSA or if it was some other alphabet agency trying to protect citizens. In fact, nobody knows because TPTB have ensured FISC decisions on public law matters are state secrets.
Every branch of your government is conspiring to cover up any detail about the constitution-violating spying program and the federal agency(ies) involved. The EFF is all over this with a FOIA request, but they're about as likely to pry that court decision from the government as you are to be appointed to decide anything about Snowden.
In short, you're not allowed (by your own rigged legal system) to know how Clapper or the government defines "Sacred trust," or why anyone has or has not violated it. Like Obama said: You peons have to trust the government or we're going to have a problem here.
the divine right of (bureaucrats and kleptocrats),
would be kings, doctrine ! i'm glad that Obama
approves that the worthiness of the doctrine is
, perhaps, a subject open for public debate. you see,
he still almost believes in the first amendment though
I don't think his staff or council have any use for
it.
we have many rivers yet to cross but we will get there/
here.
The main question I have is...now that it is out, how will congress react?
Their action is the key...If they kill it, then this country may have a chance....if they justify it or allow it to continue it is time to do what snowden did and leave the country....
find it extremely interesting that snowden directly mentioned the Triads in the interview and then right after referenced the spook office down the road.
a (not so) subtle hint if there was one...well played mate...
I'm glad Snowden and others are coming out of the closet. I no longer have doubts if these leaks were intentional and by whom. We the People need to salute these folks, so that many others will feel compelled to do the same. This is REVELATION, as in the unveiling of all the corrupt evil in this world. Keep it comin!
james clapper says.." sacred trust was broken."
re: snowden releases.
we deserve a definition of the term "sacred trust",
clappers working definition at least, and then let
us consider if someone/s have broken a "sacred trust".
turnkey totalitarian statism always runs on a "trust",
but is it sacred or just profane? or exactly who in the story
has broken a sacred trust? let the hearings begin !
I admire Edward Snowden very much, especially because I have been an activist myself for over fifty years, albeit not as effective as I hope Edward is.
However my latest attempt at being effective is the petition I have just started ... to get a proper investigation of 9/11:
Bear in mind that all current wars and all present erosions of liberty are presaged by the lies surrounding 9/11 ... the very "New Pearl Harbour" that the neo-con PNAC called for.
If anyone reading this STILL does not know about the PNAC and how all current wars were planned during the 1990s, then there is no hope ... just go back to watching "American Idol", or whatever trivia.
I think WTC7 has been explained about as good as it can be.
The building was left to burn, as NYFD feared another collapse. WTC7 had no bearing on what came afterward. It had no more importance than WTC 4, 5 or 6 had, except to the people who claim it was demoed.
Flames poured floor to ceiling out windows on the east side on two floors, according to video. The east side is where the collapse began. Floors below the east penthouse collapsed, followed by the penhtouse itself. Moments later the rest of the penthouse began to fall in, followed instantaneously by the exterior of the building.
Is the column 79 theory correct? I don't know, but if NIST could not come up with a better explanation, i doubt anyone else can either.
If WTC7 was to be demoed, there was no reason to hide it. The dismantling of WTC 4,5,6 was not done in secret.
The free-fall-collapse was actually a progressive collapse. Apparently the exterior of the building free fell for 80 feet, but the structure was 600 feet tall.
"All that is necessary for evil to triumph is that good men do nothing." ......Edmund Burke. A Winter Soldier and Patriot, A Good Man, has come forward for us and our posterity. What then must WE do?
Is this a false flag, I have my doubts but then he doesn't seem like he's lying, seems fairly genuine. Lets get this straigt Boston was a false flag why are we even discusing this now, as was Woolwich! William I live in Hong Kong, we should meet up, you name the time and place. I need to talk to somebody that gets whats going on, HK is full of brainwashed banker souless cloned robots. To the NSA person reading this, @$%^&*&#
Good man Edward and smart move to reveal his identity me thinks. They would have gotten to him.
Now he would either be a bit safer or if anything happens to him, it would be farther proof of who did it and how far they are ready to go: kind of like going long a synthetic whistelblowing option.
and again, the stories will have no credibility. No one will believe. Propaganda loses all power when it isn't believed. They can still cause financial & legal consequences but with public disapproval this increases the chances insiders will leak on THAT too for any corruption involved - and it's all corruption from this point on
It is a dry run to see how the information passes thru the system. It's like Obummer telling us he droned an American. They have the machine so wired at this point, they just want to see who is a possible threat. It's really heading towards science fiction land at this point. The Pentagon wants to militarize the internet, space, heck, any where two people have a conversation, it could be, wait for it, a conspiracy that needs to be monitored. It's getting close to the point where everything you do is monitored, financal information, yes, known associates, yes, location information, yes, phone, email, snail mail. They have knowledge of just about every converation. They put a tracker on your car, phone, and run it thru a license plate scanner, and cross reference with the credit card. It's treason. It is a clear violation of our Constitution. The rope may be so tight at this point, how would it be possible to resist. The have studied the past, and are attempting to put in place the shakles before the newly minited criminals turn on their jailer.
Leak, my ass, echelon and prism, and whatever the fuck is next. It's treason, and has been for many years. How many divisions does the Pope have?
A few questions to ask yourself. Is this a false flag operation? Why now for the timing of the release? Did the timing coincide with the talks between Xi and Obama? Why go to China and not Uruguay? Why didn't Snowden release his findings to a freedom loving Congressman? Why didn't he release his findings to a Senate Committee? I will withhold my opinion on his heroism until history sorts this out. It will take awhile. Whether he is a true hero or if he is a traitor his name will be dragged through the mud and false accusations will be leveled at him.
we need to bring thhis whistle blower home. and if the out of control government
wants to try him let jury nulification free him once and for all.
the making of the new founding fathers. this in concert with Zero Hedge as the modern version of "common sense". This is along the same lines of courage such as Sam Adams, Patrick Henry, Thomas Paine. Keeping these modern day freedom fighters, zero hedge included protected long enough to make a difference is the key. This time Alexander Hamilton cannot win. Capitalism without the government is key. The government cannot, i say cannot be allowed to become effective, effecient or sucessful in getting results.
It is my hope that the pursuit of power will help feed pride, which brings the fall. Capitalism must survive. I would be on the side of Madison and Jefferson and respectfully oppose G Washington.
I wish I had the same courage.
May the force be with you Edward !
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/10/us-usa-security-extradition-id...
This guy Vickers is the real deal: http://stevevickersassociates.com/about/steve-vickers/
My appologies if this is posted elsewhere...
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/pardon-edward-snowden/Dp03vGYD
I recognize that such efforts are often futile, however making use of all options available to us is in the best interest of liberty.
I ask myself why He didn't choose Iceland, after all they kicked out banksters; right?
He is an intelligent person(a non grata in USA);
anyway I have a bad feeling, hope I'm wrong.
Hong Kong police in front of USA embassy
http://s1.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20130610&t=2&i=739767258&...
They, the HKP, are stationed there all the time.
this is a photo which was replaced with video content, after 7-8 hours of Internet presence
before
http://s1.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20130610&t=2&i=739767258&...
and after
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/10/us-usa-security-extradition-id...
PS.: I strongly suggest to archive anything U find ladies and gentlemen
http://archive.org/web/web.php
http://www.archive-it.org/
Eric Snowden is a plant, a wooden nickel. There's no way that he simply walked files --whether physical or on a flash drive -- out of an NSA facility, a place with the most intense security in the world.
So, I'm also supposed to believe that this guy would just throw away his entire life and get on a plane to Hong Kong, after which he meets with a reporter who dutifiully publishes his allegedly secret information? Nothing this guy gave up was really a secret.
And why now? The timing is rather fishy. This literally comes right after the IRS and Benghazi revelations. This is coordinated...and not by just one guy. There's an agenda here, but I don't know what it is. Any thoughts?
Why now? after five years the media suddenly has an interest in reporting news? why are they no longer slobbering over themselves making excuses and protecting The One? the lap dogs suddenly biting? they suddenly got a conscience and grew a pair? ......not a chance
According to the lame cherry blog. TPTB warned obama and his regime to step away from the brink of what they were in the process of causing. Not for the good of humanity of course, but it is a threat to the NWO event based time line. instead they have kept pushing. LC called this outbreak of scandals months ago.
What you are seeing is when the puppet tries to slip his strings.
The biatch slap heard round the world.
Believe it or not people committed deeply to the 3rd Reich did realize it was completely fucked up and betrayed it for the better good of humanity. This is no different.
The mainstream media this morning is only focused on how someone so unqualified could gain access to such vital government secrets. Rove came on FOX and went on at length about how OF COURSE this sort of domestic spying is essential in today's world. End of story. I think that if this IS a set-up, it is to make an example of dissenters and to further brainwash the sheeple as to what rights of privacy they should not expect.
Karl Rove is a fucking kangaroo nut sack.
and he won two elections for W Bush, which about how many there are in each sack
.
Weird synchronicity: last night I watched the "Killeroo" episode of The Mighty Boosh.
For those who don't see the connection:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFkj0xS0-xU&t=44s
with all due respect, based on my investigation, Karl Rove is a Baboon clit.
God bless and help Edward Snoden. A man for all seasons.
In addition to being an unindicted criminal on oh, so many counts. And the vids of him and Limbo together???? EWWW!
These guys have sold their souls.
His name is Edward Snowden.
"...we deserve a definition of the term "sacred trust",
clappers working definition at least, and then let
us consider if someone/s have broken a "sacred trust"..."
Why get all Attorney General on Clapper?
Besides, FISA court has already struck down at least one domestic spying operation, saying it violated the fourth amendment. I don't know if it had anything to do with the NSA or if it was some other alphabet agency trying to protect citizens. In fact, nobody knows because TPTB have ensured FISC decisions on public law matters are state secrets.
Every branch of your government is conspiring to cover up any detail about the constitution-violating spying program and the federal agency(ies) involved. The EFF is all over this with a FOIA request, but they're about as likely to pry that court decision from the government as you are to be appointed to decide anything about Snowden.
In short, you're not allowed (by your own rigged legal system) to know how Clapper or the government defines "Sacred trust," or why anyone has or has not violated it. Like Obama said: You peons have to trust the government or we're going to have a problem here.
the divine right of (bureaucrats and kleptocrats),
would be kings, doctrine ! i'm glad that Obama
approves that the worthiness of the doctrine is
, perhaps, a subject open for public debate. you see,
he still almost believes in the first amendment though
I don't think his staff or council have any use for
it.
we have many rivers yet to cross but we will get there/
here.
The main question I have is...now that it is out, how will congress react?
Their action is the key...If they kill it, then this country may have a chance....if they justify it or allow it to continue it is time to do what snowden did and leave the country....
Congress? I believe Madame Tussaud's took it over some time ago.
That is funny shit, LOL!
I don't buy it. He hasn't said anything we didn't already know and the fact this went mainstream is enough to indicate it was supposed to.
find it extremely interesting that snowden directly mentioned the Triads in the interview and then right after referenced the spook office down the road.
a (not so) subtle hint if there was one...well played mate...
I bow, hat in hand, Mr. Snowden!
I'm glad Snowden and others are coming out of the closet. I no longer have doubts if these leaks were intentional and by whom. We the People need to salute these folks, so that many others will feel compelled to do the same. This is REVELATION, as in the unveiling of all the corrupt evil in this world. Keep it comin!
james clapper says.." sacred trust was broken."
re: snowden releases.
we deserve a definition of the term "sacred trust",
clappers working definition at least, and then let
us consider if someone/s have broken a "sacred trust".
turnkey totalitarian statism always runs on a "trust",
but is it sacred or just profane? or exactly who in the story
has broken a sacred trust? let the hearings begin !
Well put
For my own part:
I admire Edward Snowden very much, especially because I have been an activist myself for over fifty years, albeit not as effective as I hope Edward is.
However my latest attempt at being effective is the petition I have just started ... to get a proper investigation of 9/11:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/investigate-collapse-wtc7-free-fall-collapse-wtc7-has-never-been-explained-properly/SNMhzYfc
Bear in mind that all current wars and all present erosions of liberty are presaged by the lies surrounding 9/11 ... the very "New Pearl Harbour" that the neo-con PNAC called for.
If anyone reading this STILL does not know about the PNAC and how all current wars were planned during the 1990s, then there is no hope ... just go back to watching "American Idol", or whatever trivia.
I think WTC7 has been explained about as good as it can be.
The building was left to burn, as NYFD feared another collapse. WTC7 had no bearing on what came afterward. It had no more importance than WTC 4, 5 or 6 had, except to the people who claim it was demoed.
Flames poured floor to ceiling out windows on the east side on two floors, according to video. The east side is where the collapse began. Floors below the east penthouse collapsed, followed by the penhtouse itself. Moments later the rest of the penthouse began to fall in, followed instantaneously by the exterior of the building.
Is the column 79 theory correct? I don't know, but if NIST could not come up with a better explanation, i doubt anyone else can either.
If WTC7 was to be demoed, there was no reason to hide it. The dismantling of WTC 4,5,6 was not done in secret.
The free-fall-collapse was actually a progressive collapse. Apparently the exterior of the building free fell for 80 feet, but the structure was 600 feet tall.
BULLSHIT
trust dumpster
"All that is necessary for evil to triumph is that good men do nothing." ......Edmund Burke. A Winter Soldier and Patriot, A Good Man, has come forward for us and our posterity. What then must WE do?
Is this a false flag, I have my doubts but then he doesn't seem like he's lying, seems fairly genuine. Lets get this straigt Boston was a false flag why are we even discusing this now, as was Woolwich! William I live in Hong Kong, we should meet up, you name the time and place. I need to talk to somebody that gets whats going on, HK is full of brainwashed banker souless cloned robots. To the NSA person reading this, @$%^&*&#
Debt Brother is watching you.
My name is Debt, Odious Debt.
Room 101 has room for you.
Just freestyling here... great work WB7.
F'king OUTSTANDING.
Obama would drone Jesus, Buddha and Gandhi if they were still around.
Ah, a Predator strike on Hong Kong.
Probably just use a couple of Mossad agents - less collateral damage.
Thanks for the discussion forum WB.
Good man Edward and smart move to reveal his identity me thinks. They would have gotten to him.
Now he would either be a bit safer or if anything happens to him, it would be farther proof of who did it and how far they are ready to go: kind of like going long a synthetic whistelblowing option.
He'll never be safe. He will be the murdered mark in a frame-up.
but we'll all know so the story will have no credibility. If they strike, he wins, we win.
I think they have a template for this already. Think Assange and DSK.
Suddenly they will find evidence that he raped some poor girl a few years ago, and prosecute him.
and again, the stories will have no credibility. No one will believe. Propaganda loses all power when it isn't believed. They can still cause financial & legal consequences but with public disapproval this increases the chances insiders will leak on THAT too for any corruption involved - and it's all corruption from this point on
Art in my opinion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7AWw7t5zj0
It is a dry run to see how the information passes thru the system. It's like Obummer telling us he droned an American. They have the machine so wired at this point, they just want to see who is a possible threat. It's really heading towards science fiction land at this point. The Pentagon wants to militarize the internet, space, heck, any where two people have a conversation, it could be, wait for it, a conspiracy that needs to be monitored. It's getting close to the point where everything you do is monitored, financal information, yes, known associates, yes, location information, yes, phone, email, snail mail. They have knowledge of just about every converation. They put a tracker on your car, phone, and run it thru a license plate scanner, and cross reference with the credit card. It's treason. It is a clear violation of our Constitution. The rope may be so tight at this point, how would it be possible to resist. The have studied the past, and are attempting to put in place the shakles before the newly minited criminals turn on their jailer.
Leak, my ass, echelon and prism, and whatever the fuck is next. It's treason, and has been for many years. How many divisions does the Pope have?