Is This the REAL Reason for the Government Spying On Americans?

George Washington's picture

To understand the scope, extent and reason that the government spies on all Americans, you have to understand what has happened to our Constitutional form of government since 9/11.

State of Emergency

The United States has been in a declared state of emergency from September 2001, to the present. Specifically, on September 11, 2001, the government declared a state of emergency. That declared state of emergency was formally put in writing on 9/14/2001:

A national emergency exists by reason of the terrorist attacks at the World Trade Center, New York, New York, and the Pentagon, and the continuing and immediate threat of further attacks on the United States.


NOW, THEREFORE, I, GEORGE W. BUSH, President of the United States of America, by virtue of the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States, I hereby declare that the national emergency has existed since September 11, 2001 . . .

That declared state of emergency has continued in full force and effect from 9/11 to the present. President Bush kept it in place, and President Obama has also.

For example, on September 9, 2011, President Obama declared:



Notice of President of the United States, dated Sept. 9, 2011, 76 F.R. 56633, provided:


Consistent with section 202(d) of the National Emergencies Act, 50 U.S.C. 1622(d), I am continuing for 1 year the national emergency previously declared on September 14, 2001, in Proclamation 7463, with respect to the terrorist attacks of
September 11, 2001, and the continuing and immediate threat of
further attacks on the United States.


Because the terrorist threat continues, the national emergency declared on September 14, 2001, and the powers and authorities adopted to deal with that emergency must continue in effect beyond September 14, 2011. Therefore, I am continuing in effect for an additional year the national emergency that was declared on September 14, 2001, with respect to the terrorist threat.


This notice shall be published in the Federal Register and
transmitted to the Congress.

The Washington Times wrote on September 18, 2001:

Simply by proclaiming a national emergency on Friday, President Bush activated some 500 dormant legal provisions, including those allowing him to impose censorship and martial law.

The White House has kept substantial information concerning its presidential proclamations and directives hidden from Congress. For example, according to Steven Aftergood of the Federation of American Scientists Project on Government Secrecy:

Of the 54 National Security Presidential Directives issued by the [George W.] Bush Administration to date, the titles of only about half have been publicly identified. There is descriptive material or actual text in the public domain for only about a third. In other words, there are dozens of undisclosed Presidential directives that define U.S. national security policy and task government agencies, but whose substance is unknown either to the public or, as a rule, to Congress.

Continuity of Government

Continuity of Government (“COG”) measures were implemented on 9/11. For example, according to the 9/11 Commission Report, at page 38:

At 9:59, an Air Force lieutenant colonel working in the White House Military Office joined the conference and stated he had just talked to Deputy National Security Advisor Stephen Hadley. The White House requested (1) the implementation of continuity of government measures, (2) fighter escorts for Air Force One, and (3) a fighter combat air patrol over Washington, D.C.

Likewise, page 326 of the Report states:

The secretary of defense directed the nation’s armed forces to Defense Condition 3, an increased state of military readiness. For the first time in history, all nonemergency civilian aircraft in the United States were grounded, stranding tens of thousands of passengers across the country. Contingency plans for the continuity of government and the evacuation of leaders had been implemented.

The Washington Post notes that Vice President Dick Cheney initiated the COG plan on 9/11:

From the bunker, Cheney officially implemented the emergency continuity of government orders . . .

(See also footnotes cited therein and this webpage.)

CNN reported that – 6 months later – the plans were still in place:

Because Bush has decided to leave the operation in place, agencies including the White House and top civilian Cabinet departments have rotated personnel involved, and are discussing ways to staff such a contingency operation under the assumption it will be in place indefinitely, this official said.

Similarly, the Washington Post reported in March 2002 that “the shadow government has evolved into an indefinite precaution.” The same article goes on to state:

Assessment of terrorist risks persuaded the White House to remake the program as a permanent feature of ‘the new reality, based on what the threat looks like,’ a senior decisionmaker said.

As CBS pointed out, virtually none of the Congressional leadership knew that the COG had been implemented or was still in existence as of March 2002:

Key congressional leaders say they didn’t know President Bush had established a “shadow government,” moving dozens of senior civilian managers to secret underground locations outside Washington to ensure that the federal government could survive a devastating terrorist attack on the nation’s capital, The Washington Post says in its Saturday editions.


Senate Majority Leader Thomas A. Daschle (D-S.D.) told the Post he had not been informed by the White House about the role, location or even the existence of the shadow government that the administration began to deploy the morning of the Sept. 11 hijackings.


An aide to House Minority Leader Richard A. Gephardt (D-Mo.) said he was also unaware of the administration’s move.


Among Congress’s GOP leadership, aides to House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (Ill.), second in line to succeed the president if he became incapacitated, and to Senate Minority Leader Trent Lott (Miss.) said they were not sure whether they knew.


Aides to Sen. Robert C. Byrd (D-W. Va.) said he had not been told. As Senate president pro tempore, he is in line to become president after the House speaker.

Similarly, the above-cited CNN article states:

Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle, D-South Dakota, said Friday he can’t say much about the plan.


“We have not been informed at all about the role of the shadow government or its whereabouts or what particular responsibilities they have and when they would kick in, but we look forward to work with the administration to get additional information on that.”

Indeed, the White House has specifically refused to share information about Continuity of Government plans with the Homeland Security Committee of the U.S. Congress, even though that Committee has proper security clearance to hear the full details of all COG plans.

Specifically, in the summer 2007, Congressman Peter DeFazio, on the Homeland Security Committee (and so with proper security access to be briefed on COG issues), inquired about continuity of government plans, and was refused access. Indeed, DeFazio told Congress that the entire Homeland Security Committee of the U.S. Congress has been denied access to the plans by the White House.


(Or here is the transcript).

The Homeland Security Committee has full clearance to view all information about COG plans.

DeFazio concluded: “Maybe the people who think there’s a conspiracy out there are right”.

University of California Berkeley Professor Emeritus Peter Dale Scott points out that – whether or not COG plans are still in effect – the refusal of the executive branch to disclose their details to Congress means that the Constitutional system of checks and balances has already been gravely injured:

If members of the Homeland Security Committee cannot enforce their right to read secret plans of the Executive Branch, then the systems of checks and balances established by the U.S. Constitution would seem to be failing.


To put it another way, if the White House is successful in frustrating DeFazio, then Continuity of Government planning has arguably already superseded the Constitution as a higher authority.

Indeed, continuity of government plans are specifically defined to do the following:

  • Top leaders of the “new government” called for in the COG would entirely or largely go into hiding, and would govern in hidden locations
  • Those within the new government would know what was going on. But those in the “old government” – that is, the one created by the framers of the Constitution – would not necessarily know the details of what was happening
  • Normal laws and legal processes might largely be suspended, or superseded by secretive judicial forums
  • The media might be ordered by strict laws – punishable by treason – to only promote stories authorized by the new government

See this, this and this.

Could the White House have maintained COG operations to the present day?

I don’t know, but the following section from the above-cited CNN article is not very reassuring:

Bush triggered the precautions in the hours after the September 11 strikes, and has left them in place because of continuing U.S. intelligence suggesting a possible threat.


Concerns that al Qaeda could have gained access to a crude nuclear device “were a major factor” in the president’s decision, the official said. “The threat of some form of catastrophic event is the trigger,” this official said.


This same official went on to say that the U.S. had no confirmation — “and no solid evidence” — that al Qaeda had such a nuclear device and also acknowledged that the “consensus” among top U.S. officials was that the prospect was “quite low.”


Still, the officials said Bush and other top White House officials including Cheney were adamant that the government take precautions designed to make sure government functions ranging from civil defense to transportation and agricultural production could be managed in the event Washington was the target of a major strike.

As is apparent from a brief review of the news, the government has, since 9/11, continuously stated that there is a terrorist threat of a nuclear device or dirty bomb. That alone infers that COG plans could, hypothetically, still be in effect, just like the state of emergency is still in effect and has never been listed.

Indeed,  President Bush said on December 17, 2005, 4 years after 9/11:

The authorization I gave the National Security Agency after Sept. 11 helped address that problem in a way that is fully consistent with my constitutional responsibilities and authorities.


The activities I have authorized make it more likely that killers like these 9/11 hijackers will be identified and located in time.


And the activities conducted under this authorization have helped detect and prevent possible terrorist attacks in the United States and abroad.


The activities I authorized are reviewed approximately every 45 days. Each review is based on a fresh intelligence assessment of terrorist threats to the continuity of our government and the threat of catastrophic damage to our homeland.


During each assessment, previous activities under the authorization are reviewed. The review includes approval by our nation’s top legal officials, including the attorney general and the counsel to the president.


I have reauthorized this program more than 30 times since the Sept. 11 attacks [45 days times 30 equals approximately 4 years] and I intend to do so for as long as our nation faces a continuing threat from Al Qaeda and related groups.


The N.S.A.’s activities under this authorization are thoroughly reviewed by the Justice Department and N.S.A.’s top legal officials, including N.S.A.’s general counsel and inspector general.

In other words, it appears that as of December 2005, COG plans had never been rescincded, but had been continously renewed every 45 days, and .

In 2008, Tim Shorrock wrote at Salon:

A contemporary version of the Continuity of Government program was put into play in the hours after the 9/11 terrorist attacks, when Vice President Cheney and senior members of Congress were dispersed to “undisclosed locations” to maintain government functions. It was during this emergency period, Hamilton and other former government officials believe, that President Bush may have authorized the NSA to begin actively using the Main Core database for domestic surveillance [more on Main Core below]. One indicator they cite is a statement by Bush in December 2005, after the New York Times had revealed the NSA’s warrantless wiretapping, in which he made a rare reference to the emergency program: The Justice Department’s legal reviews of the NSA activity, Bush said, were based on “fresh intelligence assessment of terrorist threats to the continuity of our government.”

In 2007, President Bush issued Presidential Directive NSPD-51, which purported to change Continuity of Government plans. NSPD51 is odd because:

Beyond cases of actual insurrection, the President may now use military troops as a domestic police force in response to a natural disaster, a disease outbreak, terrorist attack, or to any ‘other condition.’ Changes of this magnitude should be made only after a thorough public airing. But these new Presidential powers were slipped into the law without hearings or public debate.

  • As a reporter for Slate concluded after analyzing NSPD-51:

I see nothing in the [COG document entitled presidential directive NSPD51] to prevent even a “localized” forest fire or hurricane from giving the president the right to throw long-established constitutional government out the window

  • White House spokesman Gordon Johndroe said that “because of the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, the American public needs no explanation of [Continuity of Government] plans”

This is all the more bizarre when you realize that COG plans were originally created solely to respond to a decapitating nuclear strike which killed our civilian leaders.   (It was subsequently expanded decades before 9/11 into a multi-purpose plan by our good friends Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld. See this, this and this.)

Does COG Explain the Pervasive Spying on Americans?

5 years ago, investigative reporter Christopher Ketcham disclosed the spying which was confirmed last week by  whistleblower Edward Snowden:

The following information seems to be fair game for collection without a warrant: the e-mail addresses you send to and receive from, and the subject lines of those messages; the phone numbers you dial, the numbers that dial in to your line, and the durations of the calls; the Internet sites you visit and the keywords in your Web searches; the destinations of the airline tickets you buy; the amounts and locations of your ATM withdrawals; and the goods and services you purchase on credit cards. All of this information is archived on government supercomputers and, according to sources, also fed into the Main Core database.

Given that Ketcham was proven right, let’s see what else he reported:

Given that Ketcham was right about the basics, let’s hear what else the outstanding investigative journalist said in 2008:

There exists a database of Americans, who, often for the slightest and most trivial reason, are considered unfriendly, and who, in a time of panic, might be incarcerated. The database can identify and locate perceived ‘enemies of the state’ almost instantaneously.” He and other sources tell Radar that the database is sometimes referred to by the code name Main Core. One knowledgeable source claims that 8 million Americans are now listed in Main Core as potentially suspect. In the event of a national emergency, these people could be subject to everything from heightened surveillance and tracking to direct questioning and possibly even detention.”




According to one news report, even “national opposition to U.S. military invasion abroad” could be a trigger [for martial law ].




When COG plans are shrouded in extreme secrecy, effectively unregulated by Congress or the courts, and married to an overreaching surveillance state—as seems to be the case with Main Core—even sober observers must weigh whether the protections put in place by the federal government are becoming more dangerous to America than any outside threat.


Another well-informed source—a former military operative regularly briefed by members of the intelligence community—says this particular program has roots going back at least to the 1980s and was set up with help from the Defense Intelligence Agency. He has been told that the program utilizes software that makes predictive judgments of targets’ behavior and tracks their circle of associations with “social network analysis” and artificial intelligence modeling tools.




A former NSA officer tells Radar that the Treasury Department’s Financial Crimes Enforcement Network, using an electronic-funds transfer surveillance program, also contributes data to Main Core, as does a Pentagon program that was created in 2002 to monitor antiwar protesters and environmental activists such as Greenpeace.




If previous FEMA and FBI lists are any indication, the Main Core database includes dissidents and activists of various stripes, political and tax protesters, lawyers and professors, publishers and journalists, gun owners, illegal aliens, foreign nationals, and a great many other harmless, average people.


A veteran CIA intelligence analyst who maintains active high-level clearances and serves as an advisor to the Department of Defense in the field of emerging technology tells Radar that during the 2004 hospital room drama, [current nominee to head the FBI, and former Deputy Attorney General] James Comey expressed concern over how this secret database was being used “to accumulate otherwise private data on non-targeted U.S. citizens for use at a future time.” [Snowden and high-level NSA whistleblower William Binney have since confirmed this] …. A source regularly briefed by people inside the intelligence community adds: “Comey had discovered that President Bush had authorized NSA to use a highly classified and compartmentalized Continuity of Government database on Americans in computerized searches of its domestic intercepts. [Comey] had concluded that the use of that ‘Main Core’ database compromised the legality of the overall NSA domestic surveillance project.”




The veteran CIA intelligence analyst notes that Comey’s suggestion that the offending elements of the program were dropped could be misleading: “Bush [may have gone ahead and] signed it as a National Intelligence Finding anyway.” But even if we never face a national emergency, the mere existence of the database is a matter of concern. “The capacity for future use of this information against the American people is so great as to be virtually unfathomable,” the senior government official says.


In any case, mass watch lists of domestic citizens may do nothing to make us safer from terrorism. Jeff Jonas, chief scientist at IBM, a world-renowned expert in data mining, contends that such efforts won’t prevent terrorist conspiracies. “Because there is so little historical terrorist event data,” Jonas tells Radar, “there is not enough volume to create precise predictions.”




[J. Edgar Hoover's] FBI “security index” was allegedly maintained and updated into the 1980s, when it was reportedly transferred to the control of none other than FEMA (though the FBI denied this at the time).


FEMA, however—then known as the Federal Preparedness Agency—already had its own domestic surveillance system in place, according to a 1975 investigation by Senator John V. Tunney of California. Tunney, the son of heavyweight boxing champion Gene Tunney and the inspiration for Robert Redford’s character in the film The Candidate, found that the agency maintained electronic dossiers on at least 100,000 Americans that contained information gleaned from wide-ranging computerized surveillance. The database was located in the agency’s secret underground city at Mount Weather, near the town of Bluemont, Virginia. [One of the main headquarter of COG operations.] The senator’s findings were confirmed in a 1976 investigation by the Progressive magazine, which found that the Mount Weather computers “can obtain millions of pieces [of] information on the personal lives of American citizens by tapping the data stored at any of the 96 Federal Relocation Centers”—a reference to other classified facilities. According to the Progressive, Mount Weather’s databases were run “without any set of stated rules or regulations. Its surveillance program remains secret even from the leaders of the House and the Senate.”




Wired magazine turned up additional damaging information, revealing in 1993 that [Oliver] North, operating from a secure White House site, allegedly employed a software database program called PROMIS (ostensibly as part of the REX 84 plan). PROMIS, which has a strange and controversial history, was designed to track individuals—prisoners, for example—by pulling together information from disparate databases into a single record. According to Wired, “Using the computers in his command center, North tracked dissidents and potential troublemakers within the United States. Compared to PROMIS, Richard Nixon’s enemies list or Senator Joe McCarthy’s blacklist look downright crude.” Sources have suggested to Radar that government databases tracking Americans today, including Main Core, could still have PROMIS-based legacy code from the days when North was running his programs.




Marty Lederman, a high-level official at the Department of Justice under Clinton, writing on a law blog last year, wondered, “How extreme were the programs they implemented [after 9/11]? How egregious was the lawbreaking?” Congress has tried, and mostly failed, to find out.




We are at the edge of a cliff and we’re about to fall off,” says constitutional lawyer and former Reagan administration official Bruce Fein. “To a national emergency planner, everybody looks like a danger to stability. There’s no doubt that Congress would have the authority to denounce all this—for example, to refuse to appropriate money for the preparation of a list of U.S. citizens to be detained in the event of martial law. But Congress is the invertebrate branch.




UPDATE [from Ketcham]: Since this article went to press, several documents have emerged to suggest the story has longer legs than we thought. Most troubling among these is an October 2001 Justice Department memo that detailed the extra-constitutional powers the U.S. military might invoke during domestic operations following a terrorist attack. In the memo, John Yoo, then deputy assistant attorney general, “concluded that the Fourth Amendment had no application to domestic military operations.” (Yoo, as most readers know, is author of the infamous Torture Memo that, in bizarro fashion, rejiggers the definition of “legal” torture to allow pretty much anything short of murder.) In the October 2001 memo, Yoo refers to a classified DOJ document titled “Authority for Use of Military Force to Combat Terrorist Activities Within the United States.” According to the Associated Press, “Exactly what domestic military action was covered by the October memo is unclear. But federal documents indicate that the memo relates to the National Security Agency’s Terrorist Surveillance Program.” Attorney General John Mukasey last month refused to clarify before Congress whether the Yoo memo was still in force.

Americans have the right to know whether a COG program is  still in effect, and whether the spying on our phone calls and Internet usage stems from such COG plans. Indeed, 9/11 was a horrible blow, but it was not a decapitating nuclear strike on our leaders … so COG and the state of emergency should be lifted.

If COG plans are not still in effect, we have the right to demand that “enemies lists” and spying capabilities developed  for the purpose of responding to a nuclear war be discarded , as we have not been hit by nuclear weapons … and our civilian leaders – on Capital Hill, the White House, and the judiciary – are still alive and able to govern.

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Forgiven's picture

What is the sense of Continuity of Government when that government has proven itself an abject failure and violator of it's citizenry?  When a business disenfranchises customers, it fails.  When a family spends more than it earns, bankruptcy looms.  When a single woman becomes too large, the Friday nights open up.  It's not rocket science.  If this government does not devolve to what made it once great, it will continue to evolve past it's present brutish stage into despotism.

hbeachrealist's picture

So...pretty much 9/11 was an inside job, just like OKC, Sandy Hook, Aurora, Boston Massacre, etc...

And the MSM is gonna keep it under wraps, the sheeple believe the lies, and government can spy on us so they know who is awake.

I guess Martial Law will occur and the Feds will come after those awaken.

Anything else I'm really missing?

MickV's picture

Quoting the NYT and Slate? OMG. PLEASE GW tell the truth. There is no "United States" anymore because the POTUS who is the executor of the laws is an illegal entity, a non batural born Citizen", a foreign directed domestic enemy. He was put there (elected?  PULEEZE) to continue the shadow government. If the chief executor of the Laws is an illegal entity then there is no law and no "Constitution". A natural born Citizen (one born in the US to US Citizen parents--- see Minor v. Happersett, 88 US 162, 167 (1874), see also Federalist #68---- "a creature of our own", not born of an improper foreign ancestor ---Barack Obama Sr. was "an improper ascendant", and Barack Hussein Obama 2 was born, and still is, a British subject--- we have been repatriated) would have likely restored the Constitutional Republic, since he would have allegiance and attchmant to country (or maybe not, but Barack Obama 2 ASSURES that the Republic will not be restored, and he was SPECIFICALLY put in place to do further damage).

 Congress and the useful idiot media have committed massive treason in installing a non natural born Citizen for the very purpose of continuation of the shadow government. Only with the mass realization that the massive treason occurred will we even begin to restore the Republic. ONLY the rejection of Barack Hussein Obama by We the people can begin to end this nightmare.

overmedicatedundersexed's picture

this .gov is like flies - they come to your picnic, to get what they can, while irratating the shit out of all. they carry disease and infect all they bite. they will not be ignored, you must occupy yourself with them as they buzz and buzz always in the backround, always letting you know they are there..flies vermin parasites on our society. how do you get rid of flies?

dunce's picture

This may explain why obama has chosen endless ineffectual sanctions on Iran. If they have nukes and stated hostility combined with psychotic leadership, the state of emergency never will end setting the stage for establishing a dictatorship.

Peter Pan's picture

As long as there isn't massive unrest among the populace, sites like Zero Hedge will be able to opeprate as a means of keeping an eye on who the disaffected are and what they are saying. We have all had files opened and will probably be rounded up or made to vanish if anything happens. Little do they understand who the true citizens of the USA and her allies are.


Just remember, that the basic criteria for being spied upon is if you are a decent human being that can think outside the main stream press.

rsnoble's picture

Yes we have been hit with a nuke. It's called QE.

And if we keep fucking around with fire in Syria the big mushroomy types that you can actually see might come to your neighborhood.

The only part of this article that excited me was the decapitation of our leaders something or other.

Umh's picture

They spy because they are spies. They exceed their limits because we fund them to much.

cgnbob's picture

They spy because they know what they have done and they are paranoid. Plain and simple.

Think about it, say for example you cheat on your spouse, oh yeah it's good for a bit but, then the paranoia creeps in and you start doing crazy weird crap.

9/11 was the biggest heist, nest to what they have stolen moving forward, from the American people, in History, and gave them a pass to steal more.

Distraction, distraction, distraction, dancing with the stars, distraction.

We don't fund them, actually you are correct WE do. Fact is, it's on your, and your kids and grandkids, ad nauseum, backs. That's theft.

Did they ask you if this is OK? Thieves don't ask.


cgnbob's picture

They spy because they know what they have done and they are paranoid. Plain and simple.

Think about it, say for example you cheat on your spouse, oh yeah it's good for a bit but, then the paranoia creeps in and you start doing crazy weird crap.

9/11 was the biggest heist, nest to what they have stolen moving forward, from the American people, in History, and gave them a pass to steal more.

Distraction, distraction, distraction, dancing with the stars, distraction.

We don't fund them, actually you are correct WE do. Fact is, it's on your, and your kids and grandkids, ad nauseum, backs. That's theft.

Did they ask you if this is OK? Thieves don't ask.


tip e. canoe's picture

if you wanna get semantic about it, "we" (including those yet to be born) are actually funding the interest on the debt notes that get magically printed into existence to fund "them".

as long as "we" agree that those debt notes exist as "money", the beatings (cough) interest payments will continue...


cgnbob's picture

I have always believed and still do that the reason for the spying was not to find the terrorists, but, to find who was getting to close to the reality that we have been lied to all along. And we have.


I remember the story breaking when I was in the Bay Area about the room at 450 Bryant in San Fransisco, that had cables going in, and coming out and it was a restricted room. That is the ATT formerly Pac Bell switching center, or was. Dated a gal who worked there prior to all of this crap.


BTW, this story broke in 2002-3.. This crap has been on going for years.

MaxThrust's picture

When the time comes to takeover the goverment. All forms of communications will be shut down. The masses will be confused. The Orwellean NIghtmare will being.

Keeps you guns nearby and have plenty of ammo.

yellowsub's picture

They just want to make sure htey have enough drones ready for the "problem makers".

Wave-Tech's picture

Some believe Martial Law from the Civil War has never been llifted....  At this point, nothing would surprise me...

BullyBearish's picture

How many lives and billions spent on killing goat herders 1/2 way around the world who would otherwise wish to be left in peace...but they can't because they have a role to play in keeping the "terrorist" meme going.  The operators know exactly which buttons to push, when and for how long: "We're losing your attention, just watch this!!"

JohnFrodo's picture

You trust in Jesus, so why cant you just trust the goverment?

ToNYC's picture

They need to know how much poop they can put in our retirement sandwiches at all times, so they can take a bit more liberties today and issue licenses to steal and get-out-of-jail cards to their friends today and not too many notice at once.

Chupacabra-322's picture

Our entire system is one giant cesspool of CRIMINAL CORRUPTION. From the executive, judicial, legislative and everything derived from them, federal, state and local. There is nothing that has not been completely and utterly CORRUPTED.

There is not even ONE man or woman in ANY part of government (federal, state, local) that is truly HONEST or has CLEAN HANDS. EVERY single one of them have made some sort of deal with the DEVIL. The longer they are there the dirtier their hands get & instead of having a conscience & getting OUT, the POWER corrupts them more & soon there is NOTHING that will stop them from doing anything and everything they can to stay in and becoming more powerful.

Just like in Sodom & Gomorrah. Not even ONE honest person could be found to prevent GOD from destroying it. So how much hope does America have? Well lets just say, America should be very scared.

But then you must look at the people as well. Sadly most of the people are absolutely CRIMINALLY CORRUPT as well. They lie, cheat steal and kill just like the government, which is why it is so easy for them to turn a blind eye and make excuses for everything the government does.

How to tell a CRIMINAL CORRUPT person. When they try and justify ANY wrong doing for ANY reason.

Some of the justifications they use:
1. Well nobody is perfect
2. He/she is the lesser of 2 evils
3. They could have done or been worse
4. They are doing the best they can
5. They inherited the problem
6. They are not all bad
7. They have never hurt me. As though it is okay to hurt others just not you personally.
8. Yes they lie, cheat and steal but at least they do not kill. Like you would know, especially seeing that they are LIARS. The fact you would have to go to the most heinous crime to try and make them look better should say enough.
9. They are only doing their job. As if claiming it is their job makes their wrongs okay.

The Global Criminal Oligarch Cabal Bankster Intelligence Crime Syndicate


are we there yet's picture

When the Utah super massive telenet collection center becomes self aware and turns into Skynet, will it vote democrat or republican?

Parrotile's picture

Rather than worrying whether it'll vote for Team Red or Team Blue, consider what we know happens from history, when a significantly superior civilization meets a significantly inferior one (e.g. Roman vs. Barbarian).

ALWAYS a bad outcome for the lesser civilisation

Manipuflation's picture

I've listened and as much as I can about so far about this whole story but still have a ways to go before I can reach a conclusion.  I am still as suspicious as I was last night about the Snowden guy because some things just aren't balancing the ledger so to speak.  I am going to do some more reading and observing before I draw a conclusion about what's really happening here.


However, I do NOT need any more time to come to a conclusion on the shit rag that is The New Yorker.  Check out this hit piece on Snowden published 20 minutes ago.  Check out the comments.  Surprisingly, the douchebag who wrote it is getting lit up by the commenters.  Gotta love it when they start fighting amongst themselves.  If that is any indication of what is going on then Snowden did really accomplish something good.

There is a lot more that needs to be said and read about this.  Could it finally be the straw the breaks the proverbial camel's back?  I have held hope for such things before only to never see anything come to fruition.



Paveway IV's picture

The Guardian and Washington Post chose to only published four (maybe five) of the 41 slides Snowden gave them and wanted them to publish. Most people can't make heads or tails out of them, and the reporters botched any intelligent explination of what Snowden was trying to disclose. This should help everyone with the four slides actually published (assume it will disappear soon):

PRISM is just the part of NSA's snoopware that focuses on all U.S. telecom's backbone traffic. Basically, any and all digital communications. Cell phone, broadband providers, plain-old telephone, social media, payment networks, etc. The phone and internet is already tapped - PRISM is how they pick out people or groups that interest them. The court orders for metadata (Verizon call records and billing stuff) need to be gathered as well to help sort it all out. It's too much trouble to get a court order for each targeted person/group, so the NSA just bulk-requests everyone's records (in Verizon's case) and FISA rubber-stamps the requests.

The NSA probably does this for AOL, Yahoo, Comcast, Sprint, and every other 'big' phone, broadband and social media operator every year. Their hive of helper companies are assembled into the Special Source Operations club. The NSA only needs to make a few dozen requests a year, but it's probably for all of each SSO's customer data. That probably covers every electronic communication by anyone traversing any shred of fiber optic backbone anywhere in the U.S. They don't need 'access' to anyone's servers - SSO pals just give them the data and are forbidden (by law) to admit doing so. The NSA does not need their help with real-time content because the NSA can look at any internet traffic real-time and listen to or record any phone call real time. 

So between gaming FISA and easy access to all phone/internet traffic, they can see everything. Yeah, disposable phones included. All this while congress intentionally plays dumb and Obama warns you to trust .gov or else.

I'm sure the NSA can see any Visa Card stuff and bank transactions, too. It may use PRISM or something else. That might be what's on the 'other' 37 slides - credit card issuers and big banks. Internet/broadband providers have not been mentioned, but they're likely part of the SSO super-friend club. As I mentioned before, PRISM probably uses a number of proprietary programs originating from a certain small country. Maybe that's what the Guardian and Post didn't want to reveal.

Still haven't seen anything that wasn't already known - aside from the random codewords for the systems. <yawn> 

Whats that smell's picture

Good comment, except congress is not "playing " dumb

Manipuflation's picture

Agreed.  Both are good comments.

PRISM is how they pick out people or groups that interest them.

Yes, that is one way to look at it.  The other way to look at the situation is to consider what it means to have been involved in the political process and to have stood up in front of an audience of delegates and tell them what is wrong while being filmed.  I can assure you that I am on some lists by now.  Plus, I have seen how political finances actually work, fiat or not.  Hell, I recently posted a link on ZH to my precinct caucus coordinator days.  I wonder how many here can say that they have done same.

I, AND NOT ALONE, AM PART OF THE REASON THAT CERTAIN STATES WOULD LIKE TO GET RID OF THE CAUCUS SYSTEM IN FAVOR OF THE PRIMARY SYSTEM.  The caucus system is just fine the way it is in the state that I live in.  I do not mean to yell with the all caps but please realize the importance of the caucus system.  Which states delivered the votes to get Ron Paul even considered for endorsement for the Republican presidential nomination?  This does not happen because we all sat around eating cheesy puffs and bitching on the internet about things although I must say that it did start that way.  


There are some pretty pissed off people around here who are willing to sacrifice some time, stand up in front of large crowds of delegates and say what needs to be said.  If you think Michele Bachmann is going away on her own volition then you are not seeing the whole picture.  Just ask Tony Sutton or Michael Brodkorb.  It's not that we did anything special per se or were vehement:  They did it to themselves.

See ya later. 

tango's picture

Geroge, I don't know how to break this to you, but Bush is not President and has not been for five years.  Sometimes these articles read like one of those awful Clive Cussler potboilers in which an old paper contains a signature making Guam the true owner of Italy. 

Edward Fiatski's picture

You're funny. I like you. You can be the third MDB clown here.

rustymason's picture

"Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories ..."

indio007's picture

concerning the attacks of September the 11th;
malicious lies that attempt to shift the blame away from the terrorists,
themselves, away from the guilty. 


This is the one time GW wasn't lying. 

The Al-CIA-DUH conspiracy theory shifted the blame pretty damn well.

Element's picture

And it should be mentioned that the reason the CIA profess to know so much about Al-qaeda is because they are Al-qaeda. They are birds of a feather, and they do flock together. And that must be kept in mind, every time we read historical official quotations, or reports, or comments by CIA, FBI or other security organs of state, especially with regard to the White House, which is the mother-of-all terrorist organizations.

Madcow's picture

Interesting to note - regarding Bloomberg's piece on "Alex Jones sell gold ... Conpsiracies " -

If you read the comments, Bloomberg readers are clearly inclined to trust Mr Jones over his opponents"

falak pema's picture

whats new here ?

1° Parallel rules; Patriot act was a parallel rule under "exceptional circumstances" that has now dwarfed the conventional rule.Its still in place and worse, enhanced.

2° Secret rules galore

3° Illegal NSA actions more n more.

The state within te state encroaches more n more. Play on "reason of state" as defined by the great Nicolas.

The blueprint of matrix now growing.

blindman's picture

the gene pool of the master race must always be
projected and protected into the unknown and
unforeseeable future. the doctrine of the divine right
of krony capitalists and would be king bureaucrats and
kleptocrats must be tolerated for the sake of the
species/master race.
I see they run drills where the participants do not
even know if it is real or a drill where these security
monkeys deliver the sacred human cargo to the underground
safety platforms to live through whatever holocaust they
have engineered. they have cities underground just in case
they totally fuck up and destroy the world.
that is reassuring, no?
it is still true today, even after stanley Kubrick described
it in dr. Strangelove, more so even.

Element's picture

If I wanted to keep a secret ... a secret ... would I tell Congress?

ha! ... lol ... pass!

Edward Fiatski's picture

Fascinating read.

How else would One bring the United States - with its history-turning, Mankind-uplifting Consitution and unprecedented integrity as a country - into the New World Order?

The contingency is just for that moment, when all the pieces of the North American Union are going to fall into place, because there are going to a lot of unhappy People in the country.

Heck, there's practically no border already between the U.S. & Canada, but try telling that to the average joe with his thirty firearms, that there should be no borders, both de jure & de facto ala the European Union, and a common, shared infrastructure on the whole of the North American continent, which does include Mexico and other southern countries.

Tried & tested method: Fascist Germany had been the catalyst that ushered in the Babylon in Europe, and here again the same thing. Although I greatly admire the complexity, the planning, the restraint and the seeming flawlessness of the current conspiracy.

Can't wait to travel indefinitely to the U.S. without a Visa from Europe, and from around the globe - Glorious 21st Century. :-)

P.S. We'll need a similar scheme for most of Asia.

Disenchanted's picture

Former Ohio Congressman Traficant had said in 1993 the US had been under a State of Emergency since 1933:


It is an established fact that the United States Federal Government has been dissolved by the Emergency Banking Act, March 9, 1933, 48 Stat. 1, Public Law 89-719; declared by President Roosevelt, being bankrupt and insolvent. H.J.R. 192, 73rd Congress m session June 5, 1933 – Joint Resolution To Suspend The Gold Standard and Abrogate The Gold Clause dissolved the Sovereign Authority of the United States and the official capacities of all United States Governmental Offices, Officers, and Departments and is further evidence that the United States Federal Government exists today in name only.


The receivers of the United States Bankruptcy are the International Bankers, via the United Nations, the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund. All United States Offices, Officials, and Departments are now operating within a de facto status in name only under Emergency War Powers. With the Constitutional Republican form of Government now dissolved, the receivers of the Bankruptcy have adopted a new form of government for the United States. This new form of government is known as a Democracy, being an established Socialist/Communist order under a new governor for America. This act was instituted and established by transferring and/or placing the Office of the Secretary of Treasury to that of the Governor of the International Monetary Fund. Public Law 94-564, page 8, Section H.R. 13955 reads in part: “The U.S. Secretary of Treasury receives no compensation for representing the United States.”


More here(and his full speech):

The Bankruptcy of the United States; James Traficant’s Speech


Maybe that's why they railroaded him into prison and said he was a crook.

btw...Do a web search on Rex 84.

edit: sorry, I see you already mentioned rex 84

lasvegaspersona's picture

utter rubbish

the UN cames years after Rosevelt...even if all the facts are true then we still have thousands of players playing their part as though nothing had changed. I see no redeeming reason to even consider this nonsense.

bunnyswanson's picture

The League of Nations (abbreviated as LN in English, and SDN in its other official languages) was an intergovernmental organization founded as a result of the Paris Peace Conference that ended the First World War. It was the first international organization whose principal mission was to maintain world peace.[1] Its primary goals, as stated in its Covenant, included preventing wars through collective security and disarmament, and settling international disputes through negotiation and arbitration.[2] Other issues in this and related treaties included labour conditions, just treatment of native inhabitants, human and drug trafficking, arms trade, global health, prisoners of war, and protection of minorities in Europe.[3] At its greatest extent from 28 September 1934 to 23 February 1935, it had 58 members.

The diplomatic philosophy behind the League represented a fundamental shift from the preceding hundred years. The League lacked its own armed force and depended on the Great Powers to enforce its resolutions, keep to its economic sanctions, or provide an army when needed.

However, the Great Powers were often reluctant to do so. Sanctions could hurt League members, so they were reluctant to comply with them. When, during the Second Italo-Abyssinian War, the League accused Italian soldiers of targeting Red Cross medical tents, Benito Mussolini responded that "the League is very well when sparrows shout, but no good at all when eagles fall out."[4]

After a number of notable successes and some early failures in the 1920s, the League ultimately proved incapable of preventing aggression by the Axis powers in the 1930s. Germany withdrew from the League, as did Japan, Italy, Spain and others.

The onset of World War II showed that the League had failed its primary purpose, which was to prevent any future world war. The League lasted for 27 years. The United Nations (UN) replaced it after the end of the war and inherited a number of agencies and organizations founded by the League.

Name change.

HalinCA's picture

So it has come to this .... we really cannot trust the people running our own country ....

Jim in MN's picture

Psychopaths with all-encompassing power...who have already placed themselves above the law, Congress and Constitution?


Proxy war between the US/EU/Israel/Saudis/al Qaeda/Turkey vs. Assad/Iran/Putin/China/Hezbollah?


Zero growth in real personal disposable income per capita for half a decade, while employment rate has cratered to 1995 levels?


Eh, whatever.  I'm sure SOMEONE ELSE will sort it all out for me.


Thanks, SOMEONE ELSE.  You're the Greatest!


:*)      :*[      8*0     X*P

tango's picture

No, the problem is that the DC crowd is not composed of little Hitlers, Stalins, Assads, Kims or Chavezes. They are you and me, neighbors and friends, church goers, PTA members, parents, Catholics and Protestants.   The difference is that they are somehow convinced that their course of action is right and we (the people) are in tragic error because we don't have all the facts.  They still trust the State and give it moral credence.  In a way, it's tragic because it is old-fashioned.  \

I once trusted US officials to do what is best for freedom, liberty and the rule of law and now find myself completely alienated from the monstrosity emerging in the Beltway.  






Jim in MN's picture

In my experience the average DC 'insider' is pretty normal, believes in things, and has made an internal deal with the Devil to try and affect those things despite the corruption and dysfunctionality. 

But it all comes crashing down as they find that corruption and real psychopathic rule has literally erased all other issues, from climate change to health care.  Only a few official distractions, like immigration and gay marriage, are allowed to go anywhere.  All others it's been game, set and match to the corporations/global elites for years now. 

After this crushing blow, the DC insiders shut up and stew.  And the psychopaths continue their crime spree.

Vegetius's picture




By removing safeguards place in the American Constitution to protect the individual rights of a citizen against illegal and oppressive action of the US Government, the USA today has lurched towards a state of Repression then onto a state of Rebellion.

No one should doubt the seriousness of such actions by the State against its own citizens and against the American Constitution. If this continues a Police State may be said to exist in the United States, with all that goes with that.

In Europe this state of affairs is more developed with the creation of the EU and the removal of the protection afforded to the different people of Europe of being able to remove those who policies they disagree with in the confines of the ballot box. In Europe we are drifting towards a state of War between the rulers and the ruled and all that is required is a spark.

Those who believe that Liberty is worth protecting, that Freedom is more than something that can be sold then they will be aware that the time for action is approaching and that all these thing that are of true value must be paid for in the blood of those who wish to live as Free Men.  


When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. When the government fears the people, there is liberty.

- Jefferson



JohnFrodo's picture

I lived in Europe, but am more at home back home.

Two things about Europe. The goverment is by the people for the people, not for the goverment over the people. The reason is proportional representation.

Brit_Abroad's picture

Bullshit Mr Han man

You obviously didn't live here long enough

geewhiz's picture

The govt of the US is universally engaged in high treason against the people. It is only a matter of time before they turn and the govt will fear the people, laws involving freedom don't have to get enforced in government institutions. If you are in the government, everyone knows where you live and soon almost everyone will not like you.

proLiberty's picture

We have a national population of over 300 million. The Boston bombing was in the style of "routine" jihad attacks. How many died and how many were injured compared to the population? All of this apparatus is being justified on the grounds that it will save lives. Didn't more people die of gang-related shooting in Chicago on the day of the Boston bombing? If not, it was close.

We have literally traded security for liberty and the bargain is a very bad one.

Moreover, Cato Institute recently published a study that shows that the Security State has its own risks. Their study carried the title: "You’re Eight Times More Likely to be Killed by a Police Officer than a Terrorist". And you are!

bchbum's picture

The odds of dieing in a terrrorst attack used to be 1 in 35,000,000.  With all this domestic spying taking place, I wonder what the new odds are, 1 in 36,000,000?  Don't you think they should level with us?

Element's picture

Young man, if you keep arguing for decency and a sense of proportion you're going to get into all sorts of trouble with a flock of nasty alphabet-soup agencies.