Spying! China Condemns US: That’s Rich!

Pivotfarm's picture

China! Honestly, it comes to something when China jumps on the accusatory band-wagon asking the US administration to provide some comments about its monitoring programs and answer up to the international community. So, I guess China is now the defender of the faith! That’s rich! Well, it takes all sorts to make a world. They can’t be asking us to take them seriously, though, can they? Yes, they can!

China made its first comments today about the US surveillance-on-internet scandal. China’s Foreign Office spokeswoman, Hua Chunying made the following comment at the daily press-briefing: "We believe the United States should pay attention to the international community's concerns and demands and give the international community the necessary explanation”. It was rejected as being ‘nonsense’ when journalists questioned whether or not Edward Snowden might in actual fact be a Chinese spy. Snowden, a former CIA employee is now in hiding in Hong Kong and the question of extradition may be raised, putting the dampers on US-Chinese relations. Although Hong Kong has relative autonomy, it is China that decides on its foreign affairs and its international-relation status.

Spying: Snowden in HK

Spying: Snowden in HK

The US-Prism program, giving the US National Security Agency free viewing ofGoogle, Facebook and Apple, amongst many others, tapped into user-information around the world and has been in operation since as early as 2007.

Spying: Facebook...

Spying: Facebook...

The mere fact that it was even suggested that Snowden might be a spy means that the whistleblower’s tactic was to destroy the credibility of the USA in favor of China’s (at least in the minds of some people who are currently making that suggestion). But, that sounds like a big joke! Aristotle once stated that jokes existed so that we could increase the status of the one telling the joke and decrease the status of the person that was the butt of the joke. The USA looks like it has ended up being the butt in this one.

It might be comical that China is actually mounting the relatively high horse in comparison with its low standards of protecting private lives and information-policy access, but to suggest that Snowden might actually be a Chinese spy is teetering on the ridiculous. But, it does show that the people asking that question during the Chinese Foreign Office press-briefing might somehow be attempting to deflect the problem. What becomes the most important element in the unraveling of events is that it’s the fact that Snowden might be a Chinese spy and that’s why he blew the whistle on the US. The fact that the US used monitoring of information and spied on citizens hacking into their Google searches or reading their private mails becomes purely meaningless, secondary and unimportant.

The next installment in the farce will be the reply to that request made by the Chinese Foreign Office. Watch this space. But, honestly it’s pretty rich coming from the country that has been caught red-handed many-a-time in history with stealing, snooping and spying or eavesdropping on the rest of the world:

  • Cyber-attacks from China on the US Department of Defense grew by 20% between 2007 and 2008, for example (reaching over 54 thousand cases).
  • The US Congress stated in a report that such attacks were aiding China to gain leap-frogging jumps in economic and technological developments.
  • In 1996 Dongfan Shung was convicted of spying and passing on design secrets to China (Delta IV rocket, amongst other things), under the Economic Espionage Act (1996).
  • In January 2013, the New York Times stated that it had fallen prey to hacking from China when it published articles on Prime Minister Wen Jiabao.
    Spying: New Departmental Cooperation US-China

    Spying: New Departmental Cooperation US-China

These are only a few of the cases, but, it seems surprising that China has taken the line of whiter-than-white in the latest scandal related to cyber super-surveillance. Just three days ago the Chinese Foreign Office set up a special department aimed at dealing with cyber-security issues, stating that it would cooperate fully with the USA.

Cooperate? In what way?

Originally Posted: Spying! China Condemns US: That's Rich!

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spanish inquisition's picture

From the Spanish Inquisition made up statistics file.  It is believed that 60% of all Chinese attacks are American in origin. Just general preparation for the next potential false flag.

NoWayJose's picture

The rest of the world used to use beautiful women spies to steal secrets from the US. James Bond is going to need to chase across the globe for 20-something kids sucking down Mountain Dews, and chubby middle afed geeks. Movies will never be the same...

JPMorgan's picture

Like when Bond met his new younger geeker quarter master Q in Skyfall (lol that's probaly pretty close to how things are, some teenage genius hacker calling the shots). 

jughead's picture

turnabout is fair play...

what's good for the goose is good for the gander...

those who live in glass houses...

nuff said, spare me the crocodile tears



BobPaulson's picture

Exactly. Once you enter the postmodern shades of gray argument, your moral high ground is toast. The point is that all the finger wagging beating China over the head with their poor human right record is now invalid. If you don't get that, then you are too far gone to get the message.

Once you are whining "yeah but they're worse..." you're done, get the fuck off the stage. This is why I hate these pro Gitmo people who don't understand what you lose for the miniscule incremental _potential_ gain of having illegal camps, prisons, whatever.

ThisIsBob's picture

And just who could it be that is telling us about China. and giving us these "statistics?"

fx's picture

A piece of crap. As so many other blogs. Yes, china isn't any better than the U.S. But hey, it never claimed to be - contrary to the country formerly known as land of the brave and the free. Which has by now become a graveyard of freedom.

BobPaulson's picture

A classic line a Serbian friend once told me when NATO was bombing the hell out of them. He said "Tonight, in both the United States and Serbia they are listening to lies on the news. The difference is that in Serbia the people know it is lies."

angel_of_joy's picture

The Chinese are just tired of this "hollier than thou" attitude permanently thrown in everybody's face by the Americans.

Their best answer to all this (beyond annoying) preaching is exactly what they have done so far: hack the hell out of the "moral" Americans, and laugh their asses off whenever someone like Snowden is knocking at their doors...

They are not the ones looking foolish and/or silly in this entire business.

boeing747's picture

So we do have PPT, Gold Squad and Operation GermanGold.

Smiddywesson's picture

Dear China,

I sat on the copy machine and emailed you the "necessary explanation" but it must have been lost by your censorship software. 

Seriously bro, I don't answer to Congress, the SCOTUS, or even the media, least of all you.  So piss off Hop Sing. 

'Nuff said,

The Prez

williambanzai7's picture

Actually, the difference between the Stasi USSA and China is the former's habit of constantly preaching about Chinese hackers and restrictions on free speech, when in fact they both engage in the same kind of activities.

Moreover, all of the technology that enables the great Cyber Wall of China that the US constantly complains about is provided by whom? Take a guess. It is not very difficult.

And I don't recall anyone saying the Chinese designed Stuxnet.

An astute global observer such as yourself should recognize that this is merely China's convenient opportunity to throw it all back in the red, white and blue hypocrite's face. An opportunity that they obviously relish.  

Nevertheless, I would say that their response has been rather reserved compared to the kind of cacophony that gets registered about the Senkaku/Diaoyu controversy for example.

There is, however, a great deal of noise being made on the internet and blogosphere in Hong Hong and China. 

Winston Churchill's picture

Good luck to the NSA with all the disinfomation every country in the world

will now be flooding the networks with.

Going to need a much much  bigger secret base to sort thru' the chaff.

I hear Kalifornia is void of intelligent life ,so that would do.


knukles's picture

Not to mention the misnomer of the "World Wide Web".
Wanna see some censorship?

Try logging into Google UK, France, China, wherever.
If your IP is for example US domiciled, you'll be redirected back to Google, USA.
If French, France, etc., unless you use any one of a number of blockers, anonomyzers, etc.  Which are cumbersome, slow, messy....

Y'all get the picture, no?

BB is watching.  And is the Town Crier, yet.

sus sapientiae's picture

"Being called a traitor by Dick Cheney is the highest honor you can give an American, and the more panicked talk we hear from people like him, Feinstein, and King, the better off we all are. If they had taught a class on how to be the kind of citizen Dick Cheney worries about, I would have finished high school." 

Wonder if anyone is creating "The Collected Wisdom of Edward Snowden"? 

knukles's picture

The Wok calling the Kettle black!
          -old Chinee proverb circa 2013

Boris Alatovkrap's picture

Russian Bomber Pilot's Proverb - "When you are pick up more flack, you are closing to target"

GetZeeGold's picture



Could you hold the propaganda for a day or so? I'm trying to get the last batch filed properly.