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Everything You Wanted to Know about Spying … But Were Afraid to Ask

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If you've been too busy to keep up with the spying scandal, here's an overview:

Top constitutional experts say that Obama is worse than Nixon ... and the Stasi East Germans


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Mon, 07/08/2013 - 05:04 | Link to Comment cynicalskeptic
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You think with all this surveillance they'd be able to convict people of financial crimes (hell, they nailed Spitzer on his hooker expenses...)

And with all the spying and surveillance in place you' have thought the War on Drugs and ALL 'organized crime' would've ended.....


just saying........

Mon, 07/08/2013 - 17:25 | Link to Comment assistedliving
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how do ya think they got him.  AIG spelled backwards is CIA

Mon, 07/08/2013 - 09:03 | Link to Comment Winston of Oceania
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The oligarchy makes money on both ends of the war on drugs. On top of that they use YOUR money to militarize the police for future use against you.

Mon, 07/08/2013 - 00:10 | Link to Comment geekgrrl
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I posted this on an earlier thread, but I think few people probably saw it. The thread was discussing NSA spying, and I suggested hardware methods were used for the spying via processors and network devices:

"A very brief search turned up this interesting tidbit. Dated April 15 2013, it explicitly states major corporations, including Intel, are now formally partnered with the US government on issues regarding cybersecurity.

"In recognition of the critical need to protect private-sector intellectual property and other valuable business data from a growing number of cyber threats 11 major companies have formally established partnerships with the National Cybersecurity Center of Excellence (NCCoE). U.S. Senator Barbara Mikulski, U.S. Cyber Command Commander/National Security Agency (NSA) Director General Keith B. Alexander, Maryland Governor Martin O’Malley, Montgomery County Chief Executive Isiah Leggett and Under Secretary of Commerce for Standards and Technology and NIST Director Patrick Gallagher joined the new partners for a signing ceremony today at the NCCOE’s facilities in Rockville, Md.

The center, a public-private partnership hosted by the U.S. Commerce Department’s National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), works with industry, academic and government experts to find practical solutions for businesses’ most pressing cybersecurity needs. The NCCoE was formed through a Memorandum of Understanding between the state of Maryland, Montgomery County and NIST.

At the ceremony, representatives from the new partner companies – Cisco Systems Inc., Hewlett-Packard, HyTrust Inc., Intel Corp., McAfee Inc., Microsoft Federal Civilian Services, RSA, Splunk Inc., Symantec Corp., Vanguard Integrity Professionals and Venafi Inc. – pledged to contribute hardware and software components and share best practices and personnel with the center.

“Cybersecurity is one of the toughest technical challenges facing the nation today,” said Under Secretary Gallagher. “NIST looks forward to working with these top private-sector companies and our state and federal partners in Maryland to help the National Cybersecurity Center of Excellence jumpstart its work to better protect our vital IT infrastructure and business information.”"

Mon, 07/08/2013 - 00:17 | Link to Comment Widowmaker
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It should be blatantly obvious to anyone with two brain cells and a synapse that organized crime is pervasive and systemic in the US government.  They hide in public office with the supposed "consent" of the governed - like Bush in Florida.

Truth will set you free, nothing else.  Truth is the enemy of Washington and the enemy of the USA.

Mon, 07/08/2013 - 08:51 | Link to Comment eclectic syncretist
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Simply using cash for transactions helps in many ways.  First of all, the transaction is not electronically traceable back to you.  Secondly, the banksters don't receive their aptly named "swipe" fees for an electronic transaction, so you are giving that money to your local business rather than the skimmers.  Third, many places charge less for cash transactions, passing their savings on back to you.  If a movement like the occupy wall street thing was organized around the peaceful idea of using cash for all transactions it might be enough to bring the banks down.

Mon, 07/08/2013 - 09:06 | Link to Comment Winston of Oceania
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Using cash will also get you put on a "watch" list, but then being here and reading this already puts you there so...

Mon, 07/08/2013 - 00:01 | Link to Comment One of these is...
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Some of you 'mericans think this can be sorted out, only by arming yourselves to the teeth, and being prepared to murder people.

Not least, your government, which IS arming itself with the hollow point ammo that is only able (for ballistic / tactical reasons) to be used by domestic agencies.

You need to be thinking more about how to avoid the conflict altogether, how to starve the system that is consuming your money and work, and ultimately how to use the one advantage you have, greater numbers, to more effectively tie up resources and personel. You don't HAVE to fight the minions who are being used to oppress you, just engage them for as long as possible, because whilst they are dealing with YOU they can't be doing anything worse to someone else!

The best people to take the fight to authority in this way are people who are "squeaky clean", because they can push the envelope when it comes to consuming time and resources.

REMEMBER KIDDIES, it is the MASTER who asks the questions. You are the public, so when a "public servant" forgets his position and starts with the questioning, ask a few yourself! It doesn't matter how inane, just ASK a question. Even if it's "why have you stopped me?", or "why are you asking me that?". NEVER have ID to produce, at least until they make it compulsory, and even then make it worn or illegible in places. Just do ANYTHING you can to be more difficult to process, and if you can not let on that is what you are doing, you should be safe.

I present the appearance of being a "weird friendly idiot" and most authoritarian types once they realise that there isn't any easy profit to be had, seem to want nothing more than to get away to pick on someone more satisfying or profitable. I love watching them trying to wrap up the session with me that they so mistakenly started, and take pleasure in the awkwardness I am now causing. A particular bonus is if you can plant some seeds of doubt, that the employee is doing the right thing by society as a whole. Wake them up to the world as you see it!

And when the oppression becomes naked, then remember that the oppressors are a minority that are trying to augment their limited powers by using technology against you. Radio can be jammed, vehicles aren't useable if someone has filled the exhaust with expanding foam, locks do not open if they have been filled with a mixture of epoxy and sand (or if you have a source, use 1-2 mm steel balls instead of the sand).The creative solutions (which drastically reduce the chances of you getting shot by way of a bonus) are immensely satisfying and surprisingly effective! I am sure there are a few I haven't mentioned, involving battery powered power tools, plus whatever YOU can discover.

If someone posts a letter to you, they have no proof that you received it, so if you don't like what you are reading, for example it's a parking ticket, then even if you intend to pay it, MAKE 'em come and get it!! (Sorry, mister authority figure, I didn't get the letters, in fact I've been meaning to complain to the post office, but have just been too busy...) No-one can transfer a debt that you owe to a third party wthout your consent (or at least interaction) so unless you have an arrangement made directly with someone who is writing to you, then why reply, or call that number that is printed so large? And when someone wants to "take you through security" on the telephone, you can (and I do!) simply say, NO, I do not wish to give you that information. After all, are they going to tell you where they live or their date of birth in return? It's really hard for someone to give you shit if you don't give them the information that they need in order to open your file...

IF you can remember that it is the SYSTEM and it's LEADERS that are actually evil, and treat the minions (who tend to be more misguided than evil in the main) with as much courtesy and gentleness as you can muster, (it gets easier with practice,) whilst consuming as much of their resources and time as your persoanl creativity will allow, and most crucially, SPREAD THE WORD and empower a few other disillusioned people who think that they have no effective way of fighting back.

Then my friends, we will prevail, whilst not having to descend to the level of the opposition.

It's no point winning the fight against violent and evil people if you have to use violence and evil yourself. Nothing changes.

Mon, 07/08/2013 - 02:37 | Link to Comment Spanky
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Twisted and devious. I like you.

Mon, 07/08/2013 - 08:31 | Link to Comment One of these is...
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Thank you for the "like", although "twisted and devious" is how I see the opposition!  

I see myself as being "fed up" with the way things are, and searching for a creative solution that involves as little waste of human life or resources as is possible.

As a few other posters are (thankfully) starting to realise, this war isn't one of bombs and bullets, it's of attitudes and hearts and minds. As the beneficiaries of the current way of doing things "right minded" people will be getting frustrated and angry. I'm merely trying to show you that you shoudl focus that anger against teh system, and apparatus used to oppress you, and not the emplyees  who whilst they might have picked the wrong side, and may well be jerks by nature, are still people, just like yourselves trying to get by. The fact that my approach is particularly personally effective against "jerks" in uniform, is simply a "perk"..

If you are on the right side of the paradigm, you'll already be very reluctant to employ violence, I just wanted to provide some alternative strategy and tactics...

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 23:54 | Link to Comment kchrisc
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Spying by the criminals of the government is for political purposes, always. And to generate massive contracts for corruption purposes--"money and power."

They want to know who of their victims are most able to threaten them with the truth.

Think the incredible war machine of Nazi Germany. They expended inordinate amounts of resources to keep the lid on dissent. Why, when they had such a formidable war machine?! Because they feared the truth while the war machine was solely for stealing wealth from their neighbors.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 23:36 | Link to Comment ILLILLILLI
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Mon, 07/08/2013 - 03:53 | Link to Comment ebear
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What he said....

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 23:08 | Link to Comment Trampy
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Version: GnuPG v2.0.20 (MingW32)


Sun, 07/07/2013 - 22:47 | Link to Comment WTFUD
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Excuse me waiter there's a spy in my soup!

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 22:41 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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the oddity that we set up "secret courts" but "still a feel a need to go around them" does stand out to me. i'm sorry? the point of legislation in the first place is again?

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 22:20 | Link to Comment dunce
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I wish that i could refute even one of those points and he did not present a complete list. It seems the only way to avoid total open book on your life is to set up several identities.

Mon, 07/08/2013 - 08:10 | Link to Comment JimmyRainbow
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written 1975. quite some foresight and the hero of the story escaped a supernsa organization. he just throws away all of his environment when he is in fear of being detected.

40 years later the book is still very good and on the same level as


Mon, 07/08/2013 - 07:11 | Link to Comment One of these is...
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Cultivate dylexia. Or fat fingers at the keyboard.

It's amazing how much trouble some people have even getting their date of birth right!

It's machines that connect the dot's mainly, if your DOB is wrong, so will the connections that they will make be, if you can't get that simple data entered correctly...

Inefficiency, or simple refusal to supply information is one of our best defences...

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 22:05 | Link to Comment tony bonn
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excellent summary by george i do say.....please keep exposing evil....soetoro and his rockefeller nazi overlords would keep an army of journalists busy for a lifetime or two.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 21:55 | Link to Comment Forgiven
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Anyone can hack nowadays:  Subterfuge, Kali Linux or it's older BackTrack 5 brothers...that stuff is crazy.  You'll never trust the web again.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 21:53 | Link to Comment MaxThrust
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Do you really believe that Timothy McVeigh is dead or did they just setup his demise to look like and execution so as to use the alive and very much well Timothy McVeigh to convince other agents to do despicable things and be safe afterwards. Just saying. Yes I am paranoid but in today's world reality is stranger than fiction.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 22:20 | Link to Comment putaipan
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i dunno but jose padilla sure looked a LOT like oklahoman #2 .....

Mon, 07/08/2013 - 11:46 | Link to Comment Kobe Beef
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OKC John Doe #2 has gone done the Memory Hole;

along with the Stormtrooper witnessed opening the Fire Door at Aurora and later escaping in a car;

along with the commandos chased through the woods outside Sandy Hook.

...and then there's always the odd element of the National News Media simultaneously announcing 9/11 was the work of Osama bin Laden, a few hours after the attack, assuming police and Intel could conduct an investigation that quickly. Luckily there were those magic passports...

I assume the deeper purpose of the Fusion Centers all around the country is merely the matter of keeping local law enforcement "on message". Thus avoiding accidental disclosures like these in future false flag attacks.

The public perps are patsies. The Enemy is within DC.


Sun, 07/07/2013 - 21:49 | Link to Comment One World Mafia
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I read an article five years ago that tech exists to spy on you thru your computer screen.

I had Audacity, an open source software recorder, installed on my computer and when I covered the mic jack (and every other opening on the computer) the graph showed it still picks up sounds as loud as when uncovered.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 21:58 | Link to Comment MaxThrust
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I always keep the camera on my computer covered with a piece of cardboard but I wonder if its possible for a hacker to take and image of you simply from you reflection on the computer screen.

Ok this may be far fetched, but it's coming to a computer near you.

Mon, 07/08/2013 - 08:34 | Link to Comment JimmyRainbow
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there was a guy who did exactly that with teens laptops. when he had roundabout 150 machines hacked he got caught here in europe.

a virus/script/whatever specialized in webcam access.

he was accused as pedophile, not hacker.

which leads me to the stalker guy who covered 10 kms of motorway with laptops to scan for a gone loves plate. every time he detected the plate (the only thing he knew) he relocated the laptop to the next motorway crossing till he knew where she lived. then he killed her.


in 1984 the all-seeing tv is clearly evil. how funny to see all those gps enabled smartphones distributed to the funny youth


Mon, 07/08/2013 - 02:15 | Link to Comment andrewp111
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They would still need to use something that can detect light in your computer or its surroundings, but a lens might not be necessary. The CRT monitor has a line that scans 60x a second, and if it can see the monitor light reflected off your face, it could compose a scanning image just like a SEM images a chip with a scanning beam of electrons.

I don't know if a touch screen monitor can detect light, but if it can that might be another way

There are ghost imaging schemes that allow images to be reconstructed from reflections off clouds, etc to see over the horizon. Johns Hopkins is developing this for DOD. Lots of things that seem farfetched really aren't.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 21:38 | Link to Comment Ardeet
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Wouldn't it be nice ...

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 21:29 | Link to Comment KennyW
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Eisenhower warned us. The Bible predicts it.

Mon, 07/08/2013 - 09:57 | Link to Comment Dick Buttkiss
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"Eisenhower warned us."

So did Orwell, and far more powerfully, in the so-called "book within the book" — — wherein he lays out the "controlled insanity" by which The Party exercises absolute dominion over everyone, quite literally in thought, word, and deed:

With the development of television, and the technical advance which made it possible to receive and transmit simultaneously on the same instrument, private life came to an end. Every citizen, or at least every citizen important enough to be worth watching, could be kept for twenty-four hours a day under the eyes of the police and in the sound of official propaganda, with all other channels of communication closed. The possibility of enforcing not only complete obedience to the will of the State, but complete uniformity of opinion on all subjects, now existed for the first time. 

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[The Party] systematically undermines the solidarity of the family, and it calls its leader by a name which is a direct appeal to the sentiment of family loyalty. Even the names of the four Ministries by which we are governed exhibit a sort of impudence in their deliberate reversal of the facts. The Ministry of Peace concerns itself with war, the Ministry of Truth with lies, the Ministry of Love with torture and the Ministry of Plenty with starvation. These contradictions are not accidental, nor do they result from ordinary hypocrisy; they are deliberate exercises in doublethink. For it is only by reconciling contradictions that power can be retained indefinitely. In no other way could the ancient cycle be broken. If human equality is to be for ever averted — if the High, as we have called them, are to keep their places permanently — then the prevailing mental condition must be controlled insanity.

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On the other hand [the individual's] actions are not regulated by law or by any clearly formulated code of behaviour. In Oceania there is no law. Thoughts and actions which, when detected, mean certain death are not formally forbidden, and the endless purges, arrests, tortures, imprisonments, and vaporizations are not inflicted as punishment for crimes which have actually been committed, but are merely the wiping-out of persons who might perhaps commit a crime at some time in the future.

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War is now a purely internal affair. In the past, the ruling groups of all countries, although they might recognize their common interest and therefore limit the destructiveness of war, did fight against one another, and the victor always plundered the vanquished. In our own day they are not fighting against one another at all. The war is waged by each ruling group against its own subjects, and the object of the war is not to make or prevent conquests of territory, but to keep the structure of society intact. The very word 'war', therefore, has become misleading. It would probably be accurate to say that by becoming continuous war has ceased to exist. The peculiar pressure that it exerted on human beings between the Neolithic Age and the early twentieth century has disappeared and been replaced by something quite different. The effect would be much the same if the three super-states [the equivalent of the U.S., China, and Russia, as well as their satellites], instead of fighting one another, should agree to live in perpetual peace, each inviolate within its own boundaries. For in that case each would still be a self-contained universe, freed for ever from the sobering influence of external danger. A peace that was truly permanent would be the same as a permanent war. This — although the vast majority of Party members understand it only in a shallower sense — is the inner meaning of the Party slogan: War is Peace.

The fiendish irony, of course, is that by "everyone," Orwell does in fact mean everyone. All are under the domination of Big Brother, and thus everyone is at war with everyone else, such that Hobbes' argument that Leviathan is necesary to prevent a "war of all against all" is precisely what Leviathan descends into.

Thus is the U.S. surveillance state merely fulfilling Orwell's prophecy, as it daily plunges the world deeper into the ordered chaos of abject sociopathy. 


Sun, 07/07/2013 - 20:46 | Link to Comment TrustWho
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Absolutely, government has already stated they are more concerned about homegrown terrorists than outside terrorists. Homegrown are local Tim McVeigh and Terry Nichols fame.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 21:31 | Link to Comment Troll Magnet
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i just want everyone to know that i love my government and i think barry soetero, err, i mean barack obama is the greatest kenyan, err, king, i mean, President E.V.E.R!

Tue, 07/09/2013 - 12:02 | Link to Comment TrustWho
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Troll, you understand the insidious nature of NSA, CIA, FBI, ATF...oh what the hell, US government.

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