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Head of Congressional Intelligence Committee: “You Can’t Have Your Privacy Violated If You Don’t KNOW Your Privacy Is Violated”
The chair of the House Intelligence Committee – Mike Rogers – said yesterday in an NSA spying hearing which he led that there is no right to privacy in America.
Constitutional expert Stephen I. Vladeck – Professor of Law and the Associate Dean for Scholarship at American University Washington College of Law – disagreed.
Here’s the exchange:
Rogers: I would argue the fact that we haven’t had any complaints come forward with any specificity arguing that their privacy has been violated, clearly indicates, in ten years, clearly indicates that something must be doing right. Somebody must be doing something exactly right.
Vladeck: But who would be complaining?
Rogers: Somebody who’s privacy was violated. You can’t have your privacy violated if you don’t know your privacy is violated.
Vladeck: I disagree with that. If a tree falls in the forest, it makes a noise whether you’re there to see it or not.
Rogers: Well that’s a new interesting standard in the law. We’re going to have this conversation… but we’re going to have wine, because that’s going to get a lot more interesting…
What Rogers is really saying is that the government has the right to spy on everyone so long as it doesn’t get caught doing so.
How’s that different from arguing that it’s okay for a thief to takes $100 from your bank account as long as you don’t notice that the money is missing? Or that it’s okay to rape a woman while she’s passed out so long as she doesn’t realize what happened?
That’s beyond ridiculous.
It flies in the face of more than 200 years of American law. In fact, experts say that the NSA spying program is wildly illegal, and is exactly the kind of thing which King George imposed on the American colonists … which led to the Revolutionary War.
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I use PGP all the time.
People who say they care about privacy, but don't use it, are posers.
Lonely computer geek needs attention.
You're an asshole, and no one wants to play with you. Go away.
Encrypt a fucking phone call you shit eating hump, I don't want those cocksuckers SPYING on me. So fuck off.
FU, how's that?
Well then, the second they use the spying data against you it automatically becomes illegal. SO WHY THE FUCK AM I PAYING FOR THIS SHIT? Oh yeah, to blackmail politicians, Judges, military leaders, presstitutes, etc. NSA serves the NWO. Period!
They routinely use this information. I read right here on ZH that things of interest to the cops are passed on to them and used as evidence in trials.
Another name for the guillotine list.
For the love of god send this idiot packing in the next election. Maybe the next guy will be no better but at least it won't be this idiot.
How many "phone home" easter egg traps can an app have before its malware? Widows is malware.
Yep. We're not sorry for violating your Rights.
We're only sorry when we get caught or exposed doing it.
So shut your face, and just keep digging, Serf.
Well good thing for these assholes is power is transient.
Maybe Mr. Rogers should read up on the term "unperson."
pods
I found out where he lives, where he shops, where his grandkids go to school, etc. All available on the internets. No worries, I am doing it for their protection, of course. Got all his credit card information, charges, balances and where he shops, gets gas, buys porn. No harm as he does not know.
It is gay porn, isn't it? He just screams closeted, repressed lunatic.
Hey Rogers, this is the death penalty when one looks at the death of the constitution.
Maybe (small, small odds) Mr. Rogers is being blackmailed in to this by the NSA. No doubt in my mind that beyond the evil and corrupt politicians and judges are the beholden ones - the ones on the Supreme Court, and the members of congress who sucked someone's dick and couldn't handle the humiliation of their families and friends finding out, or they cheated on their taxes, lied on a resume. Or maybe they were threatened with assassination. It doesn't matter, when the system is so rotten to the core, it doesn't matter whether he's corrupt or blackmailed, soon no one will listen to him or even obey him. Mr. Roger's deepest darkest secrets are well known, he has no privacy either - he's owned because of his position.
What is this "Court" you speak of?
"Maybe (small, small odds) Mr. Rogers is being blackmailed in to this by the NSA"
Even odds. Blackmail /whitemail(your daughter needs an Ivy League scholarship, or your son a WallStreet job Mr. Rogers?)
The possibility that he is a complete idiot who would say anything to keep a powerful seat on the Itel Com. is also a viable explanation.
The idiocy of the statement is prima facie evidence. No sane person would try a Hail Mary pass like that and expect it to work. That is the work of a 2nd grader caught in the cookie jar.
"How’s that different from arguing that it’s okay for a thief to takes $100 from your bank account as long as you don’t notice that the money is missing?"
ooh pick me pick me I bet I know!
Rogers: Duh...Its not you dont own your money or your thoughts. Askme something hard.
My God the audacity.
Worst of all they know the cretins will simply "roll over" and take it some more.
Let me give you some scenarios.
If you are under anesthesia, and didn't feel my cock n your ass, you weren't really sodomized.
if you have lost your sense of taste and smell, then I didn't REALLY come in your mouth. That was just your spit that you swallowed.
The blood you see staining your sheets really isn't me popping your hymen. You're still a virgin. You simply had your first menstrual period, you silly little girl. You may have THOUGHT you felt my big cock penetrating you, but since you haven't done this before, how do you KNOW that I really FUCKED YOU? (If you tell anyone about this, I'll come back and kill your parents.)
When they find the bullets in the brains, will the 'officials' decry that they died of LEAD POISONING?
Unfortunately this should have been embedded in this article for emphasis.
Sad but so totally true.
Your words are memorable.
"you cannot have privacy violated if don't know privacy is violated"
"you cannot be raped if you don't know you have been raped"
"you cannot be robed if you don't know you have been robed"
These muther fuckers are the dogs of hell and should be hunted down and given a slap on the wrist like the rest of them!
"You can’t have your privacy violated if you don’t know your privacy is violated."
How do you know what the secret interpretation of an element of the Patriot Act is?
A guy I work with is from Switzerland. he said the Right to Privacy there is actually in their Constitution. Odd it's not in ours. Too bad. Jefferson goofed.
Wrong.
It was covered. Another amendment that has been turned upside down.
We (the people) can delcare any rights we desire. The constitution is an SOP for government. If it ain't in there, we didn't give THEM the authority to deal with it.
I realize that at this point in the empire it is useless talking about the constitution, but they did think of that.
pods
You must continually kill the corrupt bastards, if you want to protect the constitution.
The Tree of Liberty is quickly drying up.
ten thousand + if I could
Amendment 4 - Search and Seizure. Ratified 12/15/1791.
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
What country are YOU from?
The question is not what country he is from, but rather which agency.
GW thank you for the unbelievable entertainment. No one seems to be very good at grasping the idea that if you keep your mouth shut you wont say anything stupid; or .....
well the altenatives are just crazy talk
NSA to Merkel, we are not sorry we are spying on you... We are sorry we got caught.
You can't avoid being scared once you realize that they don't realize how scary they are.
Welcome to Amereica, where every day is Halloween.
Futhermore, is Congress so kowed, so beaten, so bereft of courage that no one quotes the Fourth Amendment word for word in the face of these bare faced fascist provocations? That is not a rhetorical question. Seriously, is it?
Rhetorical? WTF man, its naive beyond belief. Congress is bought and paid for, its that simple, where is the courage in that?
Hmmm.... didn't know who to reply to first...
To begin with I am tired of hearing about folks who are scared... And yes, I have faced death and danger many times in life. To be honest... in some respects it would have been allot easier to have succumb to the former. Life is not for the faint of heart...
As to Congress... it is comprised of little more than influence peddlers. A body of men will ultimately surrender their power to a single individual. They get the life without the accountability...
A revolution? Not likely... world won't wait... As I have stated many times here, world war is next up. Would love to be wrong about this one as I have kids (in college) as I suspect do many of you.
As to a 'revolution', it would seem that you are correct in your thoughts.
(May god forgive me)
The next world war WILL be waged against the empire formerly known as the 'Unites States'.
The first 100 million will die instantly, clueless as to the danger, and the remainder will most likely begin mass rioting, dying at the hands of both the U.S. internal forces AND the attacking factions who all wish that they had stood up earlier and done something to stop the madness, instead of sitting in the Barcalounger and changing 'channels'.
Those 'kids in college' are being PROGRAMMED to ACCEPT your NEW masters, and you actually let them GO?
Fuck those war mongering Canadians with their greasy poutaine and their hockey sticks.
I'll be ready.
We shall prepare accordingly:
'...A body of men will ultimately surrender their power to a single individual. They get the life without the accountability...'.
No more blood and treasure wasted on wastrels.
Yea, I can give you a date rape drug....and then rape you. It's ok because you won't remember.
Got it.
"She was wearing a mini-skirt, your honor. She was asking for it."
It's stunning how those poor excuses for human beings (their being elected officials even makes it worse) can twist reason and logic to fit their bizarre totalitarian views.
So Mike Rogers is just another crypto-fascist jackboot, trying to overturn the Fourth Amendment. Clearly, his paymasters imagine that he and they will get away with this treachery, and they follow Goebbels advice: if you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it.
Not this time, traitor Rogers and your ilk. F'orf.
next thing they would say is: "If you don't know you're lied to, you're not lied to.
I thought the Government was lying about things, so I called the White House and asked 'Are you lying to us?', they said 'No, of course not.' There, it's settled, they are not lying to us. I feel so much better now.
Everyone who works in food service should be sure to spit in Mike Rogers' food. He won't care since he doesn't know.
or expose him to HIV - cause there are no criminal statues on that
think I told this
In 1980, we discovered the HS football team was breaking into our cross country lockers and stealing our "energy drink" So I proposed that we piss into it, and we did, and they drank that cup, and we told them, and they stopped.
they "violated" us so we "violated" them
it's piss poor logic, but it worked
Spit? Surely you can do better than that.
And I'd use the 'special syrup'...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4ZXRlcoEW8