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We’re In The Most Dangerous Moment Since the Cuban Missile Crisis

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Scientists Warn of Extreme Risk

We’ve long said that the greatest short-term threat to humanity is from the fuel pools at Fukushima.

The Japanese nuclear agency recently green-lighted the removal of the spent fuel rods from Fukushima reactor 4′s spent fuel pool. The operation is scheduled to begin this month.

The head of the U.S. Department of Energy correctly notes:

The success of the cleanup also has global significance. So we all have a direct interest in seeing that the next steps are taken well, efficiently and safely.

If one of the pools collapsed or caught fire, it could have severe adverse impacts not only on Japan … but the rest of the world, including the United States. Indeed, a Senator called it a national security concern for the U.S.:

The radiation caused by the failure of the spent fuel pools in the event of another earthquake could reach the West Coast within days. That absolutely makes the safe containment and protection of this spent fuel a security issue for the United States.

Hiroaki Koide – a nuclear scientist working at the University of Kyoto – says:

I’m worried about whether Tepco can treat all the 1,331 [spent-fuel] assemblies without any problem and how long it will take.

Award-winning scientist David Suzuki says that Fukushima is terrifying, Tepco and the Japanese government are lying through their teeth, and Fukushima is “the most terrifying situation I can imagine”.

Suzuki notes that reactor 4 is so badly damaged that – if there’s another earthquake of 7 or above – the building could come down. And the probability of another earthquake of 7 or above in the next 3 years is over 95%.

Suzuki says that he’s seen a paper that says that if – in fact – the 4th reactor comes down, “it’s bye bye Japan, and everyone on the West Coast of North America should evacuate. Now if that’s not terrifying, I don’t know what is.”

 

The Telegraph reports:

The operator of Japan’s crippled Fukushima nuclear power plant … will begin a dry run of the procedure at the No. 4 reactor, which experts have warned carries grave risks.

 

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Did you ever play pick up sticks?” asked a foreign nuclear expert who has been monitoring Tepco’s efforts to regain control of the plant. “You had 50 sticks, you heaved them into the air and than had to take one off the pile at a time.

 

“If the pile collapsed when you were picking up a stick, you lost,” he said. “There are 1,534 pick-up sticks in a jumble in top of an unsteady reactor 4. What do you think can happen?

 

I do not know anyone who is confident that this can be done since it has never been tried.”

ABC notes:

One slip-up in the latest step to decommission Japan’s crippled Fukushima nuclear plant could trigger a “monumental” chain reaction, experts warn.

 

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Experts around the world have warnedthat the fuel pool is in a precarious state – vulnerable to collapsing in another big earthquake.

 

Yale University professor Charles Perrow wrote about the number 4 fuel pool this year in the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists.

 

“This has me very scared,” he told the ABC.

 

Tokyo would have to be evacuated because [the] caesium and other poisons that are there will spread very rapidly.

Perrow also argues:

Conditions in the unit 4 pool, 100 feet from the ground, are perilous, and if any two of the rods touch it could cause a nuclear reaction that would be uncontrollable. The radiation emitted from all these rods, if they are not continually cool and kept separate, would require the evacuation of surrounding areas including Tokyo. Because of the radiation at the site the 6,375 rods in the common storage pool could not be continuously cooled; they would fission and all of humanity will be threatened, for thousands of years.

Former Japanese ambassador Akio Matsumura warns that – if the operation isn’t done right – this could one day be considered the start of “the ultimate catastrophe of the world and planet”:

(He also argues that removing the fuel rods will take “decades rather than months.)

Nuclear expert Arnie Gundersen and physician Helen Caldicott have both said that people should evacuate the Northern Hemisphere if one of the Fukushima fuel pools collapses. Gundersen said:

Move south of the equator if that ever happened, I think that’s probably the lesson there.

Harvey Wasserman wrote two months ago:

We are now within two months of what may be humankind’s most dangerous moment since the Cuban Missile Crisis.

 

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Should the attempt fail, the rods could be exposed to air and catch fire, releasing horrific quantities of radiation into the atmosphere. The pool could come crashing to the ground, dumping the rods together into a pile that could fission and possibly explode. The resulting radioactive cloud would threaten the health and safety of all us.

 

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A new fuel fire at Unit 4 would pour out a continuous stream of lethal radioactive poisons for centuries.

 

Former Ambassador Mitsuhei Murata says full-scale releases from Fukushima “would destroy the world environment and our civilization. This is not rocket science, nor does it connect to the pugilistic debate over nuclear power plants. This is an issue of human survival.”

Even Japan’s Top Nuclear Regulator Says that The Operation Carries a “Very Large Risk Potential”

Even the head of Japan’s nuclear agency is worried. USA Today notes:

Nuclear regulatory chairman Shunichi Tanaka, however, warned that removing the fuel rods from Unit 4 would be difficult because of the risk posed by debris that fell into the pool during the explosions.

 

It’s a totally different operation than removing normal fuel rods from a spent fuel pool,” Tanaka said at a regular news conference. “They need to be handled extremely carefully and closely monitored. You should never rush or force them out, or they may break.”

 

He said it would be a disaster if fuel rods are pulled forcibly and are damaged or break open when dropped from the pool, located about 30 meters (100 feet) above ground, releasing highly radioactive material. “I’m much more worried about this than contaminated water,” Tanaka said

The same top Japanese nuclear official said:

The process involves a very large risk potential.

BBC reports:

A task of extraordinary delicacy and danger is about to begin at Japan’s Fukushima nuclear power station.

 

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One senior official told me: “It’s going to be very difficult but it has to happen.”

Why It’s Such a Difficult Operation

CNN notes that debris in the fuel pool might interfere with operations:

South China Morning Post notes:

Nothing remotely similar has been attempted before and … it is feared that any error of judgment could lead to a massive release of radiation into the atmosphere.

 

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A spokesman for Tepco … admitted, however, that it was not clear whether any of the rods were damaged or if debris in the pool would complicate the recovery effort.

The Wall Street journal notes:

Among the risks [Hiromitsu Ino, professor emeritus of nuclear engineering at the University of Tokyo] and other experts cite is the possibility that a container being used to move the units falls and breaks apart, exposing the fuel to the air.

Similarly,  Edwin Lyman – a nuclear expert and the chief scientist for the Union of Concerned Scientists notes:

The biggest risk with Unit 4 pool unloading is that a spent fuel cask might drop and damage the pool, causing a leak that could expose some fuel and cause overheating.

Professor Richard Broinowski – former Australian Ambassador to Vietnam, Republic of Korea, Mexico, the Central American Republics and Cuba – and author of numerous books on nuclear policy and Fukushima, says some of the fuel rods are probably fused.

Murray E. Jennex, Ph.D., P.E. (Professional Engineer), Professor of MIS, San Diego State University, notes:

The rods in the spent fuel pool may have melted …. I consider it more likely that these rods were breached during the explosions associated with the event and their contents may be in contact with the ground water, probably due to all the seawater that was sprayed on the plant.

Fuel rod expert Arnie Gundersen – a nuclear engineer and former senior manager of a nuclear power company which manufactured nuclear fuel rods – recently explained the biggest problem with the fuel rods (at 15:45):

I think they’re belittling the complexity of the task. If you think of a nuclear fuel rack as a pack of cigarettes, if you pull a cigarette straight up it will come out — but these racks have been distorted. Now when they go to pull the cigarette straight out, it’s going to likely break and release radioactive cesium and other gases, xenon and krypton, into the air. I suspect come November, December, January we’re going to hear that the building’s been evacuated, they’ve broke a fuel rod, the fuel rod is off-gassing.

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I suspect we’ll have more airborne releases as they try to pull the fuel out. If they pull too hard, they’ll snap the fuel. I think the racks have been distorted, the fuel has overheated — the pool boiled – and the net effect is that it’s likely some of the fuel will be stuck in there for a long, long time.

In another interview, Gundersen provides additional details (at 31:00):

The racks are distorted from the earthquake — oh, by the way, the roof has fallen in, which further distorted the racks.

 

The net effect is they’ve got the bundles of fuel, the cigarettes in these racks, and as they pull them out, they’re likely to snap a few. When you snap a nuclear fuel rod, that releases radioactivity again, so my guess is, it’s things like krypton-85, which is a gas, cesium will also be released, strontium will be released. They’ll probably have to evacuate the building for a couple of days. They’ll take that radioactive gas and they’ll send it up the stack, up into the air, because xenon can’t be scrubbed, it can’t be cleaned, so they’ll send that radioactive xenon up into the air and purge the building of all the radioactive gases and then go back in and try again.

 

It’s likely that that problem will exist on more than one bundle. So over the next year or two, it wouldn’t surprise me that either they don’t remove all the fuel because they don’t want to pull too hard, or if they do pull to hard, they’re likely to damage the fuel and cause a radiation leak inside the building. So that’s problem #2 in this process, getting the fuel out of Unit 4 is a top priority I have, but it’s not going to be easy. Tokyo Electric is portraying this as easy. In a normal nuclear reactor, all of this is done with computers. Everything gets pulled perfectly vertically. Well nothing is vertical anymore, the fuel racks are distorted, it’s all going to have to be done manually. The net effect is it’s a really difficult job. It wouldn’t surprise me if they snapped some of the fuel and they can’t remove it.

The Japan Times writes:

The consequences could be far more severe than any nuclear accident the world has ever seen. If a fuel rod is dropped, breaks or becomes entangled while being removed, possible worst case scenarios include a big explosion, a meltdown in the pool, or a large fire. Any of these situations could lead to massive releases of deadly radionuclides into the atmosphere, putting much of Japan — including Tokyo and Yokohama — and even neighboring countries at serious risk.

Reuters notes:

Experts question whether it will be able to pull off the removal of all the assemblies successfully.

 

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No one knows how bad it can get, but independent consultants Mycle Schneider and Antony Froggatt said recently in their World Nuclear Industry Status Report 2013: “Full release from the Unit-4 spent fuel pool, without any containment or control, could cause by far the most serious radiological disaster to date.”

 

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Nonetheless, Tepco inspires little confidence. Sharply criticized for failing to protect the Fukushima plant against natural disasters, its handling of the crisis since then has also been lambasted.

 

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“There is a risk of an inadvertent criticality if the bundles are distorted and get too close to each other,” Gundersen said.

 

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The rods are also vulnerable to fire should they be exposed to air, Gundersen said. [The pools have already boiled due to exposure to air.]

 

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[Here is a visual tour of Fukushima's fuel pools, along with graphics of how the rods will be removed.]

 

Tepco confirmed the Reactor No. 4 fuel pool contains debris during an investigation into the chamber earlier this month.

 

Removing the rods from the pool is a delicate task normally assisted by computers, according to Toshio Kimura, a former Tepco technician, who worked at Fukushima Daiichi for 11 years.

 

“Previously it was a computer-controlled process that memorized the exact locations of the rods down to the millimeter and now they don’t have that. It has to be done manually so there is a high risk that they will drop and break one of the fuel rods,” Kimura said.

 

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Corrosion from the salt water will have also weakened the building and equipment, he said.

ABC Radio Australia quotes an expert on the situation (at 1:30):

Richard Tanter, expert on nuclear power issues and professor of international relations at the University of Melbourne:

 

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Reactor Unit 4, the one which has a very large amount of stored fuel in its fuel storage pool, that is sinking. According to former prime Minister Kan Naoto, that has sunk some 31 inches in places and it’s not uneven.

And Chris Harris – a, former licensed Senior Reactor Operator and engineer – notes that it doesn’t help that a lot of the rods are in very fragile condition:

Although there are a lot of spent fuel assemblies in there which could achieve criticality — there are also 200 new fuel assemblies which have equivalent to a full tank of gas, let’s call it that. Those are the ones most likely to go critical first.

 

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Some pictures that were released recently show that a lot of fuel is damaged, so when they go ahead and put the grapple on it, and they pull it up, it’s going to fall apart. The boreflex has been eaten away; it doesn’t take saltwater very good.

Nuclear engineers say that the fuel pool is “distorted”, material was blown up into air and came down inside, damaging the fuel, the roof fell in, distorting things inside.

Indeed, Fukushima documents discuss “fuel that is severely damaged” inside cooling pool, and show illustrations of “deformed or leaking fuels”.

The Urgent Need: Replace Tepco

Tepco is severely downplaying the risks involved in removing fuel rods. For example, Tepco’s head of the Fukushima plant, Akira Ono, says:

We have removed spent fuels many times. Therefore, we don’t think we are going to be doing anything that is very dangerous.

That is idiotic given that (as shown above) this is anything but a normal fuel removal operation.

Tepco is incompetent and corrupt, and has been in cover-up mode since day one. As such, it is the last company which should be in charge of the clean-up.

Top scientists and government officials say that Tepco should be removed from all efforts to stabilize Fukushima. They say that an international team of the smartest engineers and scientists should instead handle this difficult mission.

Bloomberg notes:

Prime Minister Shinzo Abe is being told by his own party that Japan’s response is failing. Plant operator [Tepco] alone isn’t up to the task of managing the cleanup and decommissioning of the atomic station in Fukushima. That’s the view of Tadamori Oshima, head of a task force in charge of Fukushima’s recovery and former vice president of Abe’s Liberal Democratic Party.

 

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[There's] a growing recognition that the government needs to take charge at the Fukushima station…. “If we allow the situation to continue, it’ll never be resolved” [said Sumio Mabuchi, a government point man on crisis in 2011].

Because the U.S. controls Japanese nuclear policy, Americans should demand of our political representatives that they pressure Japan to kick Tepco off the job ... and let an international team of scientists and engineers take over.

Postscript: As challenging as removing the fuel rods from the pool at unit 4 will be, it will be even harder at units 1 through 3. Specifically, it's too radioactive for Tepco to even get a look at what's going on in those 3 reactor pools, and they have no idea how to do it. Indeed, the technology does not even exist to approach those reactors, as the high radiation levels quickly destroy even robots.

Nuclear fuel rod expert Gundersen says the pool at unit 3 is in much worse shape than at 4:

Unit 3 is worse [than No. 4]. Mechanically its rubble, the pool is rubble. It’s got less fuel in it [than unit 4, but] structurally the pool has been dramatically weakened. And, god nobody has even gotten near it yet.

Tepco's not up to it ... we need a focused, well-funded international effort to fix this mess.

 

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Sat, 11/09/2013 - 11:12 | 4138295 Winston Churchill
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I used to resemble that remark.

However ,I only used the finest single malt on my cornflakes.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 17:14 | 4136713 tonyw
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Have they removed all the rods from the other pools or are they going to try with the most risky pool leaving all the other rods nearby just ready to get caught up in the fracas!!

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 17:39 | 4136827 George Washington
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They not only haven't started removing fuel rods from reactors 1-3, it's too radioactive for them to even take a look at what's going on.  They have no idea how to do it.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 18:28 | 4136982 cougar_w
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I don't think you mean here the fuel rods that were in the cores. Because those have already liberated themselves and are now probably burrowed 100 feet into the earth's crust.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 20:31 | 4139419 Lost Word
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That was my question,

reactor fuel rods,

or cooling pool fuel rods ?

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 19:27 | 4137137 DaveyJones
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so that means were safer

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 19:50 | 4137182 logicalman
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Safer than what?

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 22:22 | 4137570 InvalidID
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Safer than anyone drinking the water there, or eating fish from the Pacific....

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 17:46 | 4136852 SilverIsKing
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I think we should send the best and brightest in to do the job.  Therefore, I nominate Obama.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 19:16 | 4141374 tenpanhandle
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I heard that Obama was an expert at containing spent rods.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 17:50 | 4136864 lakecity55
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Brilliant idea! Let's hope he leaves tomorrow! No, tonight!

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 18:46 | 4137033 1000 splendid suns
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Barry can sit down next to it and tell lies.  It works for the Amurcan voters. Maybe the fuel rods will just faint into containment. Easy peasy Japanesy.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 17:37 | 4136818 Citxmech
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My understanding is that the number 4 pool is full of hot, undepleted, fuel because its reactor was undergoing maintenance at the time of the earthquake.  

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 17:51 | 4136863 Citxmech
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And then of course - there's always #3 with the plutonium enriched MOX fuel. . . 

JFC. 

 

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 17:40 | 4136830 George Washington
Sat, 11/09/2013 - 20:40 | 4139430 Lost Word
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Presumably they would not have been so stupid as to put all the 200 hottest new fuel rods near together, but instead dispersed the new fuel rods among the depleted fuel rods.

Fuel rod individual location placement within large number groups of fuel rods is an established science.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 19:25 | 4137131 DaveyJones
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be vewy vewy quiet, I'm moving fuel rods 

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 20:04 | 4137225 Doubleguns
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And dont shake anything during the moving process. Mother nature are you listening.....no quakes during the moving process. 

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 15:37 | 4138841 hidingfromhelis
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Pray away the quake?

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 17:18 | 4136708 akak
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If you like your non-irradiated world, you can keep your non-irradiated world.

Oops, sorry .....

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 23:00 | 4141920 CrimsonAvenger
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If I had a son, he'd probably glow in the dark.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 18:46 | 4137034 ThirdWorldDude
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Sorry it is, because this latest "fuel rods retrieving operation" is just another dog and pony show... The corium has left the building long ago!

Hatrick Penry presents the evidence here, here, and especially here.

 

This is your Radioactive Reality,  08/ 11/ 2013 (973 days later)

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 12:03 | 4138383 MSimon
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Cannabis is an effective cancer treatment.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 17:08 | 4136694 dontgoforit
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Damned scary stuff.  Damned scary.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 15:48 | 4136413 Father Lucifer
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Someone make sure that Murphy takes a long vacation.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 17:20 | 4136748 johnQpublic
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thank god we all have universal free healthcare now

i heard treating three hundred million people for cancer could get expensive

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 20:42 | 4139438 Lost Word
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The NWO wants us all dead.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 15:27 | 4136315 the grateful un...
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boy i was reading this, but my mind kept thinking, this is probably good for the stock market, because everything is

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 19:43 | 4137162 BringOnTheAsteroid
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I know you're being fecaectious but it is this exact sentiment that will see the destruction of life as we know. The lot of us have become so fucking greedy and obsessed with making money (you and I are as much to blame) that it is coming to an end. We've pushed way past all reasonable boundaries and at this point I think bringing on the asteroid woulod be a merciful option.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 15:41 | 4136379 New England Patriot
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What's the over/under?

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 20:36 | 4137311 msmith9962
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This dude has it under control.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYfv90nSLVI

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 17:08 | 4136688 dontgoforit
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.0001/.0001

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 20:00 | 4137219 Doubleguns
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I am sure that the radiated stocks, bonds, gold and silver will be worth millions. Can cockroaches spend that much. /s

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 18:15 | 4141254 Terminus C
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We haven't even tapped into the cockroach credit market... imagine if every cockroach had $10 in debt... think of the profits!

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 14:29 | 4135976 hedgeless_horseman
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That absolutely makes the safe containment and protection of this spent fuel a security issue for the United States.

Unfortunately, the spent fuel in the USA is also stored in onsite swimming pools, just like Fukushima, instead of safely tucked away deep under Yucca Mountain in Nevada.

Fuck you, Harry Reid.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 04:51 | 4142217 thisandthat
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Don't worry... radiation is a decaying phenomenon; GMOs, OTOH, is a multiplying phenomenon - so wait until that (unavoidably) hits the fan...

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 00:35 | 4142091 Walt D.
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I have a better idea - why don't we just shove all the spent fuel rods up Harry Reid's ass?

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 02:54 | 4137976 lasvegaspersona
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Not In MY Back Yard

Harry (horse's ass that he is) , is just doing what any Nevada politician must do. The public does not like 'icky' no matter the science. There has been some recent talk of monetizing Yucca mountain, but for now it is the 3rd rail here and Harry will play it safe...for Harry.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 19:05 | 4141349 tenpanhandle
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I live in Nevada and see it as necessary at this point.  Spent fuel exists and needs dealt with.  Fill hole with this crap and cork it with Harry himself.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 23:09 | 4137641 Radical Marijuana
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This "spent fuel in the USA also stored in onsite swimming pools, just like Fukushima," is what we end up with, after the selection pressures of history have selected for civilization to become controlled by the people who were the best at being dishonest, and backing that up with violence, but otherwise did not have any good qualifications. Atomic energy is merely the most extreme manifestation of the social facts that everything is controlled by legalized lies, backed by legalized violence, because the real world ends up being controlled by the best organized gangs of criminals, with almost all successful politicians being their puppets. Atomic energy has pumped up the basic social slavery pyramid system developed since Neolithic Civilization began to become trillions of times bigger.

As far as I can tell, it is too late to fix these problems, since the globalized Neolithic style of Civilization is terminally sick and insane. Sure, there are plenty of creative alternatives. However, none of them are able to operate within the already established social situation. History has selected for civilization to be controlled by the most criminally insane kinds of people, which is why we are collectively committing suicide!

The entire political system is almost totally dominated by the best professional liars and immaculate hypocrites, and everything we are doing is based on the maximum possible deceits and frauds. I always found that the more I learned, the worse it got. But nevertheless, I will repeat my relatively useless refrain, that what we SHOULD do is apply the same kind of radical paradigm breakthrough thinking that was manifested in physics, as exemplified in the special theory of relativity, to our politics. We need profound paradigm shifts in the ways that we think about politics. Atomic energy is billions of times bigger than chemical energy. To adequately change human systems, we SHOULD change the ways that we think about politics as least as much as the ways that we thought about physics changed during about the last Century or so. However, instead, almost everything to do with human sciences has been still stuck being almost totally dominated by the biggest bullies' bullshit social stories, in the form of old-fashioned religions and ideologies.

Atomic energy was developed in the ways that it was because that would enable making atomic bombs. The people doing that were the result of the historical processes of selecting for those who were the best at being dishonest and violent ending up controlling civilization.

There were always good theoretical alternatives, e.g., see

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQ9Ll5EX1jc

The Thorium Dream

and

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyqYP6f66Mw

THE THORIUM PROBLEM

However, in the real world, the best organized gangs of criminals, who were the best liars, continued to control civilization, which is WHY we ended up with the most horrible corporations developing atomic energy in the ways that they did ... through the most adamant deliberate ignorance possible!

The only genuinely workable solutions would require a prodigious series of political miracles, because enough people would have to start thinking about politics is radically different ways, nothing like anything in any of the prevalent religions and ideologies that dominate the world today. The philosophy of science is actually what needs to change the most in a technologically based society. However, that philosophy of science has just as much become a victim of domination by the biggest bullies' bullshit social stories as has everything else. Superficially, it should be obvious that, as Einstein said, the splitting of the atom has changed everything, except the way that we think, and therefore, we drift towards unparalleled disasters. However, I can assure you, from working on that problem for several decades, that there is nothing more practically useless than to try to change the ways that people think.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 05:31 | 4138022 Urban Redneck
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Here's a radical idea, more LWR nuke plants not less. If the most difficult challenge is the threat posed by the vast and timeless spent fuel assemblies... then we need to reduce both the number and concentration of spent fuel assemblies. Burying them is grotesquely expensive, introduces infinitely recurring costs and produces zero new energy (GDP). Recycling eliminates the existing plutonium waste and the need for more uranium mining.

And since the corrupt asshats who created this mess are already somewhat pursuing the methodology with an eye to their own profit - you can avoid overcoming inertia in terms of getting the ball rolling and instead- limit and focus your energies and confrontations with the ass hats to issues of keeping the ball on-course.

http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/Nuclear-Fuel-Cycle/Fuel-Recycling/Mixe...

http://www.thorenergy.no/

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 16:48 | 4139021 Radical Marijuana
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Nice theories about how to go forward,
since we can not go back, and stop the
current problems from already existing.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 18:17 | 4139197 Urban Redneck
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It took 60 years to dig the hole, I just can't see any way of filling it back up in less than 50 with the existing technology pipeline. If it takes 10 years to permit and build a reactor with a 40-year service life, and the best hopes for better technology are at least a decade before production models are even designed... At least if you build less desirable plants now, you can run them 100% thorium mox and then the infrastructure and permits are in place to decommission them early and build better plants using the existing sites and permits when new technologies become feasible, and in the interim reduce the waste stockpile volume.

If a working design exists, it can be financed and built, unfortunately I don't know of a working design for a time machine (or even institutions that are particularly good at designing and implementing 50-year plans).

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 02:31 | 4137957 wintermute
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Thanks so much for posting that!

Thorium as an energy source is brilliant!

Everyone should watch those vids.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 17:32 | 4141165 Diogenes
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"Who cares if thorium could make cheap power for the masses? Will it explode?"

                                                   - General Handgrenade, 1954

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 20:46 | 4137343 Hulk
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Billions spent on Yucca Mountain and then just thrown away.

Rods could also be reprocessed and ultimately be greatly reduced in volume, but no, theres that plutonium creation and the proliferation issue.

Unbelievable how stupid we have become, literally too stupid to survive...

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 20:32 | 4139423 U4 eee aaa
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our worship of dollars has brought us to this

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 18:10 | 4141247 Terminus C
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Our worship of sociopathy (you are rich ergo you must be good) is what brought us to this point.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 19:54 | 4137194 logicalman
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Not only that, most US nuke plant fuel pools are much more densely populated than those at Fuk u

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 17:58 | 4136888 Westcoastliberal
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NIMBY asshole!

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