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Stupid Government Policy Is More Dangerous than Terrorism
Preface: I am not so much anti-government as anti-stupid policy. (Moreover, the problem is not bad government or even corrupt corporations. The real problem is the malignant, symbiotic relation between the two.)
Multiple polls show that Americans are more afraid of our own government than of terrorists.
Sure, the government – not Al Qaeda – is taking away virtually all of our Constitutional rights. And that includes reserving to itself the right to assassinate or indefinitely detain American citizens.
But stupid government policy is threatening us in other ways, as well.
The Police
For example, we’ve documented that you are 9 times more likely to be killed by a police officer than a terrorist. (Legal experts say you should never talk to the police).
Financial Crisis
The financial crisis will also lead to quite a few early deaths. The government – together with Wall Street – caused the financial crisis … not Al Qaeda.
Government policy has also redistributed wealth from the average American to the super- rich.
(Indeed, the government and big banks – not Osama – have destroyed free market capitalism in the U.S.)
Suicide
The number of deaths by suicide has skyrocketed recently, and many connect the increase in suicides to the downturn in the economy.
Around 35,000 Americans kill themselves each year. Indeed, Americans are 2,059 times more likely to kill themselves than die at the hand of a terrorist.
And more American soldiers die by suicide than combat (the number of veterans committing suicide is astronomical and under-reported).
The wars that are causing the soldiers so much grief were planned 20 years ago … and are being fought for oil (and here) and gas.
Killer Drugs
According to a 2011 CDC report, poisoning from prescription drugs is one of the leading cause of death. Indeed, the CDC stated in 2011 that – in the majority of states – your prescription meds are more likely to kill you than any other source of injury. So your meds are thousands of times more likely to kill you than Al Qaeda.
After drug companies were busted for using fraudulent data for drug approval, the FDA allowed the potentially dangerous drugs to stay on the market.
And when one of the most respected radiologists in America – the former head of the radiology department at Yale University – attempted to blow the whistle on the fact that the FDA had approved a medical device manufactured by General Electric because it put out massive amounts of radiation, the FDA installed spyware to record his private emails and surfing activities (including installing cameras to snap pictures of his screen), and then used the information to smear him and other whistleblowers.
Contaminated Food
Statistics from the Centers for Disease Control show that Americans are 110 times more likely to die from contaminated food than terrorism. And see this.
Yet the government is working hand-in-glove with the giant good companies to dish up cheap, unhealthy food.
The government’s response to the outbreak of mad cow disease was simple: it stopped testing for mad cow, and prevented cattle ranchers and meat processors from voluntarily testing their own cows (and see this and this).
The EPA recently raised the allowable amount of a dangerous pesticide by 3,000% … pretending that it won’t have adverse health effects.
In response to new studies showing the substantial dangers of genetically modified foods - they've already been tentatively linked to obesity, cancer, liver failure, infertility and all sorts of other diseases (brief, must-watch videos here and here - the government passed legislation more or less pushing it onto our plates.
When BP – through criminal negligence – blew out the Deepwater Horizon oil well, the government helped cover it up (and here). As just one example, the government approved the massive use of a highly-toxic dispersant to temporarily hide the oil. The government also changed the testing standards for seafood to pretend that higher levels of toxic PAHs in our food was business-as-usual.
Environmental Poisons
In fact, the government has long covered up environmental risks.
For example, the Centers for Disease Control – the lead agency tasked with addressing disease in America – covered up lead poisoning in children in the Washington, D.C. area.
The Bush administration covered up the health risks to New Orleans residents associated with polluted water from hurricane Katrina, and FEMA covered up the cancer risk from the toxic trailers which it provided to refugees of the hurricane.
And then there’s nuclear power. The American government has:
- Wholly subsidized nuclear power (it would never have been built without 100% backing)
Indeed, the archaic nuclear design used at Fukushima and throughout the United States was chosen solely because it helps to make nuclear bombs.
Sadly, radiation from Fukushima and U.S. reactors will kill some Americans. The National Journal reports:
“Look at what’s going on now: They’re dumping huge amounts of radioactivity into the ocean — no one expected that in 2011,” Daniel Hirsch, a nuclear policy lecturer at the University of California-Santa Cruz, told Global Security Newswire. “We could have large numbers of cancer from ingestion of fish.”
Indeed, one doctor claims that Fukushima had already killed 14,000 Americans 9 months after the accident. We doubt her numbers … but it is clear that even low levels of radiation can damage human health. Whatever the number, this was caused by the government … not Al Qaeda.
(The government also created a computer virus which threatens nuclear plants world-wide.)
Bad Government Policy Is Increasing the Risk of Terrorism
Oh and – by the way – the government’s actions are so idiotic that they are actually increasing the chance of a terrorist attack.
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John Kenneth Galbraith as a two-handed economist;
Bankers v. The People going way back to Andrew Jackson;
contemporary Capitalist Crisis as predicted by Karl Marx;
1984, Alice in Wonderland, and The Wizard of Oz as works of history;
Newspeak, shunning, strawman, etc. as effective social controls;
zerohedge.com as island of sanity, albeit sorely lacking collegiality; and
identifiable weaknesses in the prison system which might allow its escape.
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dupe
When does humanity stop the culling? When we are down to 6BN,3BN or less, when will they notice and make a stand?
No shit. You should see what they did in China, Russia, Germany, Italy, England and the United States in the past.
Go ask an Idian they'll tell ya.
George Washington never tells a lie. His articles, always sourced, are always right on the money, so to speak, revealing more in the aggregate when he so efficiently, succinctly, connects the dots for us.
What about cops, who are eight times more likely to kill you than a terrorist?
Anybody spending a dime on that?
http://www.cato.org/blog/youre-eight-times-more-likely-be-killed-police-officer-terrorist
Just got back from a trip to Europe. Plenty of time to stand in line & compare the "security" checks to what they were in the 1980s. Sickening. Not security for the citizens but all about control of the population.
Since 911 our gubmint providing "security" for its citizens has resulted in:
31,000 dead US uniformed military including contractors.
50,000 uniformed wounded
Total estimated 330,000 dead all sides including civilians, although we are not supposed to care about anyone without a US passport.
estimated 250,000 us military with tramutic brain injury.
approx 1600 us military with major limb amputations
and the list goes on.
I am certain that al qaeda could not have done that much damage in 12 years without the assist.
How complete will the surveillance & security measures have to get before the population realizes that their government is building a cage around them?
At what point did it occur to the general population in germany in the late 30s that for some of them their government had decided to use them for slave labor then eliminate them?
How stupid is it to have the TSA groping grandmothers and children while we have open borders and are importing terrorists as political refugees.
Terrorism is stupid government policy.
how about 1 month after i send our senators letters urging them to stop obamacare, and keep the gov shut down. i get audited by the state commission.
coincidence?
Just one simple example of what the govt. working with big pharma at our expense is Aspartame. Do a google search on that crap. It causes extreme alergies in people, including myself and my wife. How can a govt. agency that is supposedly looking out for us approve and then simply ignore all the bad information that continually comes out about that garbage.
I took some sugar free Ricola throat lozenges. You know, Ricola, the one's with the ads about how natural their products are. I got a huge headache and had to take benedril (a drug to reduce allergic reactions) for a week to get my body to stop reacting to that junk. I contacted Ricola by email (because they have no phone contact #) and their attny. contacted me to tell me it was perfectly safe. We argued back and forth but nothing changed.
It's pathetic when the govt. reaches a point in which we are subject to the garbage big pharma wants to pour into us for their profit without regard to the consequences to us. We the people need to be diligent because the govt. does not have our back.
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cures everything, used to be prescribed all the time.
now good luck finding any iodine w/o added wood alcohol.
even that can be spread on your skin and absorbed transdermally. look into it. also:
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they hate it when folks compare notes, take control of your health!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0UDeydlEDM
Clearly the tinfoil hats worked because everyone else is dumb as rocks.
Don't confuse what looks like plain stupid policy when it in fact, is simply corrupt policy.
"is simply corrupt policy."
Yo Ven.
So, corrupt policy like this?
http://home.earthlink.net/~platter/neo-conservatism/pnac.html
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Project_for_the_New_American_...
And this:
http://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/content/documents/Agenda21.pdf
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion1.htm
http://agenda21conspiracy.com/
And this too:
http://www.threeworldwars.com/albert-pike2.htm
And this also:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/the-population-reduction-agenda-for-dummies....
Definition of "corrupt policy" duly noted.
Over?
revised the SOS. it's for real, not a joke.
Congrats GW. One of your best articles.
Good article, GW, except for your constant assertion that the government policies are stupid. That would be like the Werhmacht high command labeling George Patton as stupid because he was killing so many German soldiers. What the governments around the world are doing is not stupid in the least. Psychopathic yes, but not stupid. In this age of advancing cybernetics, they no longer need huge amounts of crypto slave labor, so they have decided to cull the human herd. They regard the current population level as a serious threat to their power structure. The Georgia Guide Stones indicate they want a human population of 500 million, which is less that 10% of the current population. When one extrapolates the UN's Agenda 21 protocol, the number is similar though a bit more hidden. (All you need to know about the UN is that the land for the huge complex on the upper east side of Manhattan was donated by John D. Rockefeller Jr.). Is this a tactically stupid war? If one must use the term stupid, it should be used for the bulk of humanity who, beyond a vague feeling of unease, has yet to figure out that a tiny psychopathic elite who run this planet are out to kill them, their spouses, and their children. And instead of using bullets, they are poisoning us, body and mind, first to make us too sick, fearful, and fuzzy headed to resist and then to finish us off through a huge assortment of artificially induced diseases. We have the sub-atomic particle radiation of Fukushima. Fukushima was not an "accident." The toxicity of Corexit in the Gulf as well as poisoning the sea food there with their crude oil geyser. We have the laying down of 200 million tons of aluminum, barium, and strontium oxide nano particles per year into the stratosphere with chemtrails using military planes operating from military air bases. Corporate farms forcing real farmers out of business and growing toxic GMO crops with barely any real nutrition. Psychoactive drugs, particularly SSRI's, and Ritalin given to creative children to zombify them. We have that favorite of both Stalin and Hitler, sodium fluoride, used by both in the gulags and concentration camps, under the ludicrous guise of a "dental health" rubric. They are trying to make it illegal to collect your own rainwater and grow your own food in your backyard. They have tucked away all the healthy plant genetics in a vault in northern Norway which could withstand a nuclear hit, so once they kill most of us off, they would have access once again to healthy food. And in countries where the tap water is too dirty to drink, they load up all the table salt in the supermarkets with fluoride. Then we have the toxic vaccines which are being forced on people too suspicious to take them voluntarily. And if you don't permit the state to destroy your infant's immune system with 60 vaccines during its first year of life, you run the risk of having them confiscated by the so-called "protective services." And of course we have the new "austerity," destroying the once thriving middle class in the US Republic. But everyone on ZH knows the nature of the macroeconomic attack on the people by the state and bankers, so I won't get into that. And also the destruction of the US Constitution and particularly the first 10 amendments. The NDAA gives Obama the "legal" power to kill anyone of any nationality at any time in any place. As a reputable reporter quoted him in a recently released book, "I am really good at killing people," to his aides regarding predator drone strikes. Of course our Psycopath-in-Chief is only a middle management puppet.
So calling the actions of the government stupid is in itself stupid, or at best misleading. There is nothing stupid about it. It has been planned out for many decades in complicated, integrated flow charts. Psychopathic - yes; stupid no. And comparing the dangers of this attack to the dangers of terrorism is itself inaccurate. One would first need to separate real, independent attacks of terrorism from CIA run Project Gladio psy-ops. And the invasion of Syria has proven beyond any reasonable doubt that el Qaeda is a puppet of the CIA. Always has been. Anyone with a degree in the physical sciences (mine is in chemistry) or engineering who is not brain dead from drugs or propaganda knows that the three towers dropped on 9/11 did not fall from furniture smudge fires. It is quite impossible to drop steel beam buildings with fire, particularly ones like the WTC where the beams and girders were still coated with toxic asbestos to further protect them from fire. The beams were cut with radio controlled nanothermite charges. But a high explosive was also used which may have been 0.1 kton micronukes. The point being that the statistics in GW's article are themselves a bit misleading. If one eliminates "terrorist" deaths from intelligence agency psy-ops, and only uses truly independent terrorist activities, the number of deaths shrinks almost to zero.
And most lately but not least, we have the roll out and imposition of the so-called digital SMART death meters, which emit intense 4 millisecond bursts of microwave radiation (in the 1 to 4 GHz range), which go through brick and block walls like shit through a goose and fry our DNA and organs. I can't recommend strongly enough that one rents the excellent documentary for $2.99, 72 hour streaming, Take Back Your Power by Josh del Sol. To be found at:
www.takebackyourpower.com
Bravo..................Excellent post. Hedge accordingly.
Government is terrorism.
Great post. No disagreement. A federal government controlled and directed by psychopaths in and about the Shadow Government. Yes, the fact that the land on which the U.N. headquarters sits was donated by the Rockefellers says it all.
G.W. does a lot of good work but I would have to say he doesn't seem to understand how truly malicious, how calculating, these criminals are. That they laugh at us little people as they propagandize us, poison us, and concoct phony wars to steal and murder. I would suppose the fact that they always get away with it, emboldens them.
Tragically, I think you are correct, el Gallinazo.
Most people who worry abstractly about the future do not seem to worry enough about the most obvious worst threats, which are some human beings against others. That is the paradox of human evolution! The advancing breakthroughs of our sapience, and basic ability to make a brain that could build models of the world, with a model of itself within that model, and communicate those models to others, so that those models could evolve through generation after generation, made it gradually possible for human beings to "conquer nature." However, in fact, that always meant the conquest of some men by other men, with nature as a ally.
The ruling classes are clearly preparing for the future by setting up conditions where they will be able to use all the methods of both soft-kill and hard-kill techniques to mass murder the majority of the human population on the planet. Puppet politicians preparing to do that appear to be incompetent, because they are so extremely hypocritical. OF COURSE, THEY ARE NO GOING TO TELL THE TRUTH, BECAUSE THE ONLY THEORETICAL SOLUTIONS TO EXPONENTIAL GROWTH OVERSHOOTING ARE DRASTIC DEATH CONTROLS.
In that context, I do not think that merely perceiving the ruling classes as psychopathic, or sociopathic, or extremely evil, come remotely close to understanding the deeper issues of human evolutionary ecology. The masses of the people who are ruled over MATCH the ways that the ruling classes operate within the social pyramid systems. IF THERE ARE GOING TO BE BETTER RESOLUTIONS TO THE HUMAN PROBLEMS, THEN THOSE MUST BE BETTER DEATH CONTROLS.
Of course, actually DOING THAT appears to be practically impossible, since the real world operates through the COMBINED ways that the rulers lie about their death controls, and those ruled believe in bullshit which matches being brainwashed to believe in those lies. That is why most of my comments on Zero Hedge keep harping upon the basic financial facts that MONEY IS MEASUREMENT BACKED BY MURDER, and that the debt controls necessarily depend upon the death controls, in the context that the government is organized crime, controlled by the best organized gangs of criminals.
What we theoretically need to do is breakthrough to accept those basic facts, and stop using false fundamental dichotomies, and their related impossible ideals, when we review the human condition, and the contradictions which are growing to more and more astronomical sizes everyday, when progress in other sciences and technologies have made some human beings become trillions of times more capable and powerful, BUT, the human sciences are all still based on the biggest bullies' bullshit social stories, through which the death controls are actually operated as dishonestly as possible, while the debt controls match those. Therefore, our real social situation is that we operate our murder systems through the maximum possible deceits, and operate our money system through the maximum possible frauds.
The deeper reasons for that is that the ruling classes act as the top predator/parasites in the human ecology, who do what they do through lying about what they do as much as possible, while those they lie to want to continue to believe in those lies, and are not willing and able to face the real facts, because they have been conditioned to not want to. THEREFORE, YOU, AND SEVERAL OTHER OF THE COMMENTS THAT AGREE WITH YOURS, ARE CORRECT! HOWEVER, YOU DO NOT APPEAR TO THEN MOVE ON TO PROPOSE HOW THE NECESSARY DEATH CONTROLS COULD BE DONE BETTER, IN WAYS WHICH COULD BACK UP BETTER DEBT CONTROLS.
Of course, it may well be that our collective insanity, of living in a civilization that is so totally controlled by legalized lies, backed by legalized violence, for so long, means that we are already committed to destroying the natural world so badly that almost none of us are going to be able to survive through that anyway ... I do not think anyone can know for sure just how bad all this accumulated deliberate ignorance, coupled with trillions of times more technological power, is finally going to become ... But nevertheless, I repeat my view that the problem with regarding the ruling classes as merely being psychopathic, or evil, does not address the deeper reasons WHY they developed to actually resolve chronic political problems, which are inherent in the nature of life, problems, which currently appear as inherently "evil" to human beings.
To retreat to the consolations of philosophy: thermodynamics and information theory have become like God is Energy, while Entropy is the Devil. When our understanding of energy laws was systematized, an arbitrary minus sign was inserted into the entropy equations in thermodynamics, which were then extrapolated into information theory. The philosophy of science was thereby perverted by its compromise with the biggest bullies' bullshit social stories, so that power and information would end up having positive values, rather than the negative values that the mathematical physics itself said was the true way things are. That reversing of the meaning of the concept of entropy, by inserting an arbitrary minus sign into the entropy equations, was one of the most profound ways that we passed through the Looking Glass, into the Bizarro Mirror World, without fully recognizing that we had done that.
In fact, since we understand almost everything BACKWARDS, through infinite tunnels of deceits, the death controls are the most positive thing we do. However, because we have been conditioned by the history of warfare having its success based upon deceits, we have been conditioned to get totally entangled in completely backwards ways of understanding things. Thus, militarism is the oldest and best developed social science, because it should be! The most important things that human beings do is operate their death controls, or their murder systems. The paradoxical ways that doing that most successfully depended on being the best at deceits, in which context spies were the most important soldiers, has totally entangled our civilization in a Gordian Knot of hyper-complexities regarding how we do almost everything.
THE STUPIDITY OF THOSE BEING RULED MATCHES THE STUPIDITY OF THE RULERS. BOTH ARE LOCKED INTO THE PARADOXICAL WAYS THAT EVERYTHING HAS EVOLVED TO BE DONE THROUGH THE MAXIMUM POSSIBLE DECEITS AND FRAUDS. Therefore, the most important things that human beings must do are operate their death controls upon themselves, and we actually do that through the biggest bullies' bullshit social stories, which are promoted by the best professional liars and immaculate hypocrites. However, within that complex, it is also true that the controlled opposition to those established systems tend to almost all be reactionary revolutionaries, who NEVER PROPOSE BETTER DEATH CONTROLS, but rather deny that any death controls at all should exist, or at least none which are consciously comprehended by human beings who have a conscious model of their world, with a conscious model of themselves and others within that world.
Anyway, el Gallinazo, while I agreed with all of your factual assertions made in your comment as being correct, I do not agree with the implicit theory behind your assertions, which continue to regard the ruling classes are being merely psychopathic, without broadening that far wider, to appreciate how and why the predator/parasite functions within ecologies are necessary, and good in their own ways, since they are necessary. In my opinion, what we should do is make postmodernizing sciences become more consistent with ancient mysticism, from whence they originally came, and, more than anything else, that requires recognizing the ways in which the triumph of the biggest bullies' bullshit view of the world reversed some of the most basic understandings necessary in the philosophy of science.
The study of the ponerology of the psychopathic nature of the ruling classes, along with the matching obtuseness of those being ruled, by the established systems of legalized lies, backed by legalized violence, should move beyond the current false fundamental dichotomies, and related impossible ideals, which are mostly taken for granted. The only genuine solutions must be better death controls. The denial of the social facts about the real death controls only makes that more impossible to achieve. The denial that there must be some system of death controls makes it be practically impossible to develop better death controls. The basic understanding of "evil" backwards, due to understanding entropy backwards, makes better ponerology to deal with the psychopathic ways that the ruling classes operate much more difficult to comprehend and do something better about.
Therefore, while I agree with your take, el Gallinazo, about the relative, apparent, superficiality of George Washington's articles (which I think he does on purpose, in order to reach a wider readership), I would tend to accuse you of doing similar things, because of the ways that you stop at regarding the ruling classes as being merely psychopathic, without understanding the deeper reasons WHY they have evolved to become the top carnivores (supreme parasites) in the human ecology and political economy systems. To understand that "WHY" more deeply is perhaps the way towards doing what they do better than they do that. In order to achieve that goal, then more of the people being ruled would have to also understand that, and thereby enable a greater use of information and higher consciousness, which could be described as the democratization of the death controls. Of course, I am well aware that that would require a prodigious series of political miracles, given the ruling classes are the best at lying about they are doing, while the ruled are those who have been conditioned to accept those lies, and both together make the currently established social systems work the way that they do.
However, I still assert that, theoretically, we need intellectual scientific revolutions in the philosophy of science, which then can be applied to politics, and especially to militarism, so that it might be possible for some Translithic Civilization to develop to replace the Neolithic style of Civilization, through developing better combined money/murder systems, operating the necessary debt and death controls. As the exponential overshooting of the current systems reach their turning or tipping points, then there WILL be drastic changes in the currently established death and debt controls. What I would like to day dream about is that there MIGHT be catalyzed better transformations in those things.
Another Excellent Post, Thank You for posting and NO loss of critical thinking skills.
I agree that when push comes to shove, the elites use lethal force to control the rest of us. However, lethal force is very inefficient for a variety of reasons, and they far prefer to use mind control.
In general, I think GW's articles are excellent and perform a useful purpose of education. I would not refer to them as superficial. But I had to call him on the "stupidity" issue for reasons I pointed out elsewhere paraphrasing Sun Tzu. And yes, he knows better as his 9/11 articles of a couple years ago indicate, but he doesn't want to lose his audience.
Finally, I think the vast majority of humanity are decent compassionate people, and they would be far more decent if they weren't bombarded with the idolatry of violence through the mass media 24/7. I haven't owned a television in years. Would rather have a mamba in my living room. But the small population percentage of psychopaths gravitate to the centers of power and are most successful at climbing the wrongs (I probably intended to write "rungs" but I'll leave it in :-). Additionally, we have aristocratic psychopathic bloodlines in power that can certainly be traced back to the Roman Empire and probably to Sumer. In the days of hunter-gatherer clans, which comprise 95% of human existence, the psychopaths were either exiled or killed. I read somewhere that the Inuits have a word for "he who steals my food and fucks my wife while I am out hunting seals."
Yeah, I agree with your view, el Gallinazo, that "GW's articles are excellent and perform a useful purpose of education." I also agree that "he knows better as his 9/11 articles of a couple years ago indicate, but he doesn't want to lose his audience."
Personally, I have decided to promote more radical truth, although that will necessarily be the most unpopular view, which therefore will tend to have the smallest audience. In that context, I do NOT think that you responded to my points, el Gallinazo, other than by correctly saying that the vast majority of people are very different than the ruling classes, in that they tend to be the prey, rather than the predators. THE PROBLEM IS THAT FALSE FUNDAMENTAL DICHOTOMY, WHERE THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE DEATH CONTROLS DEFAULTS ONTO THE TINY MINORITY OF THE MOST PSYCHOPATHIC AND SOCIOPATHIC PEOPLE.
The majority of people have been brainwashed to be Sheep, and to bleat the moralities of Sheeple, and so, to denounce the Wolves, without respecting the NEED for an overall human ecology, within which the death controls MUST be central, and ARE central. I agree that the ruling classes have been quite successful at "mind control," however, that means that they have brainwashed people to believe in bullshit, and conditioned them to feel that they do not want to understand the money system, (which is backed by murder system.)
That is why I keep saying that the real solutions are for everyone to become better wolves, NOT for everyone to become better sheep. In my opinion, from reading your comments, you appear to continue to fall into that camp of the Black Sheep, reactionary revolutionaries?
Denouncing how the ruling classes operate the existing money/murder systems should not conclude by recommending that those systems ought not exist. Rather, the only realistic resolutions are for to operate those systems better than the ruling classes do now, which would require enough people understanding that enough to make it workable.
In my view, the Black Sheep, reactionary revolutionaries, are just as full of bullshit as the ruling classes, or even worse, since they continue to mostly be controlled opposition, attempting to lead people backwards, to impossible ideals, which are still guaranteed to backfire badly, and make the opposite to what they say actually happen in the real world.
The first step towards better death controls would be admitting more of the facts regarding the real history of how those developed, and how they actually operate at the present time. As you already know, el Gallinazo, the government of the USA currently operates through extremely deceitful death control systems, of which the most salient symbol was that the events on 9/11/2001 were certainly an inside job, false flag attack, and therefore, the entire "war on terror" has been based on huge lies, with ulterior purposes. Of course, that fits perfectly well into the historical pattern of militarism, as expressed in the oldest book on the Art of War by Sun Tzu, as you mentioned.
THE PROBLEM IS THAT THAT SOCIAL INSANITY, OF TRIUMPHANT WARS BASED ON DECEITS, NOW TAKES PLACE AFTER THE DEVELOPMENT OF WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION, WHICH HAVE MADE EVERY KIND OF PREVIOUS SYSTEM OF DEATH CONTROL BECOME POTENTIALLY SUICIDAL, IF NOT OMNICIDAL. That is why Neolithic Civilization is terminally sick, and the government of the USA, as the greatest expression of that social pyramid system yet, is the most obviously insane and self-destructively mad political organization on the planet.
However, I repeat my main point, that there are perfectly good reasons, from the perspective of understanding energy systems, WHY the government of the USA has become mostly about debt and death. Furthermore, there continues being the same good reasons WHY the genuinely better resolutions for the chronic political problems ought to be to go through intellectual scientific revolutions with respect to understanding those combined systems of debt and death better. It is not good enough to merely denounce the evils of the ruling classes as due to them being psychopaths, and it is not good enough to denounce those being ruled over as being political idiots. While that is surely relatively true, we still should be transcending those false fundamental dichotomies.
I'll try to keep this short for a change (fingers crossed).
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BS to "philosopher king" type schemes. The problem is "kings", not "philosophers". Mass carnage in the history of mankind always leads back to fictional "authority" like "king", "emperor", "ruler", etc.
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BS to any one or any group or any collective in charge of "death controls". That is just flat-out wrong, unethical, and entirely impractical too. As you guys seem to understand elsewhere in the conversation, whenever any fiction is created that embodies "power", the worst, most corrupt, most predatory cretins always gain control of them... and always will. Thus the solution is obviously NO death controls... at least no "human controlled death controls". Let people kill themselves if that's what they want, or if that's what they cause via carelessness, stupidity, laziness or lack of concern for their lives. And let individuals kill individuals attacking them or their property (which is called "self-defense").
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BS to the notion that you promote more radical truths. Unless I'm missing something, what you promote is just a mix of the propaganda that many predators have advocated throughout history. What you propose might be less "popular" than "democrat versus republican", but it is only one level more "radical" than that as far as I can tell. Still about death and destruction. Still about the illusion of control by collectives. Still about "official dogma" (new and improved philosophy of science and such).
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You say, "That is why I keep saying that the real solutions are for everyone to become better wolves, NOT for everyone to become better sheep".
We recognize your formulation - the classic "false alternative". The only choice you allow is: be "destructive wolves" (predators), or be "sheep" (prey). Heaven forbid there be any other alternative than "predator" and "prey"... with the best case scenario (or only "solution") being "sheep become predators"... so everyone is a predator.
Via this false alternative you reduce man to the level of pre-sentient beasts... either predators or prey, but no producers need apply for residency on planet earth (much less alert, well-armed, sharpshooter producers who understand the predator modus-operandi, strategies and tactics). Well, you will get your wish soon enough, when the last of us producers leave this planet and let the predators fight it out. Good riddens.
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BS to getting better death controls via better history. How can anyone in their right mind expect predators to not craft history to their own purposes? Answer: Never happen!
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But a very big NOT BS to your final conclusion, that we should transcend [disingenuous] false fundamental dichotomies (including yours, presumably).
We should definitely do that. But if you're talking about a way to make human life on earth better, the old ways of thinking won't work and cannot work. I think you even understand that... yet, somehow, you adopt many of the worst of them in your plans to transcend them. That will never work, and can never work.
As long as "death panels" are accepted, and the only argument is about the exact configuration and implementation, you and your fellow earthlings will never transcend anything of importance.
As long as "collectivism" is accepted, and is a fundamental habituated feature of the thought processes of billions, you and your fellow earthlings will never transcend anything of importance.
As long as "predator and prey" is accepted as the context, and the "producer" who is responsible for making life possible for 99.9% of humaniity is ignored and not part of your "calculations", you and your fellow earthlings will never transcend anything of importance.
And if you allow "producer" into your context, but in any way make him serve "predators", "parasites" and "prey", you and your fellow earthlings will never transcend anything of importance.
As long as the endless fiat, fake, fraud, fiction, fantasy notions of "authority" and "official" and "law" are any part of your thinking process, the reality of the universe will be ignored and/or made subservient to these fictions, and you and your fellow earthlings will never transcend anything of importance.
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So if you really care about results, as opposed to just get an intellectual kick out of tossing fancy-sounding terms around, you guys need to get a whole lot more radical than you are to date. You've identified some of the "bad guys", and some of their "tactics" and "strategies" and "techniques", but you're still captured by the primary fictions they created to trap you in their context, which is a context carefully designed by them to be inescapable. Which it is... as long as you stay in their context, and presume what they wish you to presume.
You'll know you're on the right track when the predators will not entertain anything you say. But if you accept even one of their fictions to be real, you lose. If you accept "government" to be real, you lose. If you accept "authority" to be real, you lose. If you accept "nation" to be real, you lose. If you accept any form of "collective" to be real, you lose.
Take your pick... accept any one of their core premises, and you lose, and you will always lose. They know that. They designed it that way originally, and they've been crafting it carefully ever since. Given the design, there is only one choice --- reality or fiction, and guess what? In fiction, they are masters, they have complete control, they make the rules. And you and your fellow earthlings will forever lose... until finally you perish entirely.
honestann:
DEATH CONTROL IS DE FACTO!
It is not who "should" control in order that we survive, but who does control in the group that does survive. That is an old, obvious, observation of reality. There ARE organized gangs of criminals that control other people, because they can, and nobody else can stop them. The only people who could arrest predators are other, better organized, predators. "Authority" comes from the DE FACTO existence of the organized system of lies, operating organized robberies, that will obey that "authority," due the history of the benefits obtained from operating their systems of organized lies.
There are no "producers" who do not already operate within taking the history of that for granted, because the history of warfare set up all the condition whereby any natural resources have claims upon them, backed by coercion. There is nothing else behind the "authorities" but the DE FACTO history of having survived, and thus become selected to be the dominant social organization. They do not need anything else, since that was what made them actually exist, and what maintains their existence. However, they also have no guarantees to survive in the future, if conditions changed. Indeed, that is the problem, that the human condition has been radically changed by advances in science and technology, BUT, so far, we have not adapted to that, since it is all so new, that the first generation born with weapons of mass destruction is still alive today. Therefore, the vast majority of human habits and action patterns are dangerously obsolete to the point of being psychotically insane, and the future selection pressures will probably be the psychotic breakdowns of the established systems, which will madly destroy themselves, since that self-destruction seems now to be the ONLY way that they will actually adapt to those changes, which the vast majority of people deliberately ignore being their new reality, while they continue to believe in the bullshit of old-fashioned religions and ideologies.
There are no fundamental dichotomies between "producer/prey" and the "predator/parasites." There are no fundamental dichotomies at all, because it is all the same energy that flows through. There is only a relative difference in the patterns of how that energy flows through those systems. (Of course, that includes regarding my views, which are necessarily relative perceptions, that axiomatically must be relative lies or illusions, because any separation of any part from the Whole necessarily is partially false, since no parts are ever truly separated from the Whole.) The progress made in other sciences, which is proven by the degree to which their technologies work, SHOULD inspire more profound changes in the philosophy of science, and political science. That is what I propose, despite thinking that it will only actually happen in the worst possible ways, after the established systems have continued to go mad, and destroy themselves way more, because the real selection pressures are going come from exponentially overshooting, and then collapsing into chaos. It is in that real context that we MIGHT catalyze to a better view of human civilization as an energy system?
I do not propose my views to be "absolute truth." However, I do regard them as relatively useful to attempt to deal with the existence of the historically developed money/murder systems, AFTER those became global electronic frauds, backed by atomic bombs. Better death controls would be to have a greater use of information, and therefore a higher consciousness, about what actually is happening. I still maintain that it is NOT possible for human beings to perceive the world by giving parts names, and properties, and assembling them into narrative stories, without necessarily that resulting in all human realities being organized lies, operating organized robberies, BY DEFINITION.
You start right out saying "It is not who should control in order that we survive, but who does control in the group that does survive". Then you note the indisputable fact that individuals do organize and collaborate with other predators to control people "because they can, and nobody can stop them". Then you claim "the only people who could arrest predators are other, better organized predators".
Boy is that wrong! How can we tell? We have examples. Of course the overall efficacy or long term viability of any example can be questioned, but all I'm trying to point out is, alternative human structures and behaviors do exist, have been tried, and they have and can work - if humans stop being so god-awful stupid.
I'll admit up front that I have no guarantee my examples will work, but the only reason they won't work is - because humans are too stupid to implement adopt them in serious enough ways.
One example is individual or small-cell guerrilla fighting versus conventional fighting/warfare. Not that I'm an expert on history or historical analysis, but the efficiency of guerrilla techniques in Vietnam and elsewhere seem to be quite a bit more efficient than formal approaches, even richly financed formal approaches. I suspect the Brits back around the 1770s learned this lesson too.
Just to imagine a scenario, what do you think would happen if by some miracle half the humans on earth came to understand in the span of a week or month that all organizations are absolute, complete, utter fiction? And that notions such as "government", "authority", "nation", "official", "law" and other collectivist fictions are in fact nothing but fictions created and operated by predators entirely for their own nefarious purposes and convenience?
Seriously. Even wonder about that? And look at how these predators pretending these fictions behave - they walk around in "official" uniforms, and fill "government" buildings. Talk about easy target practice! I mean, ask yourself this question. How long would you last, even if well armed, if you had to fight a war in which everyone on your side had to paint a bulls-eye on themselves, and everyone on other sides doesn't? How long do you think you'd last? NOT LONG.
But without the pretense of "government" and "authority" and "official" the predators-that-be could not function. As you pointed out, they'd all just be fighting factions with no special advantages (like a bunch of really nasty drug gangs or rival mafia families).
Do you see? Break this ONE lie (the lie of fictions), and the formerly dominant predators are dead meat, very quickly so.
Okay, how about another example. I don't know the details, but I've always been a bit fascinated by the way the Swiss train everyone to operate guns, then make sure everyone has guns and ammo in their homes. Interesting structure, no?
The idea is the following, I presume. If any bunch of predators tried to invade Switzerland (especially in uniforms, the equivalent of bulls-eyes), what chance would they have? Answer, none. Of course this approach doesn't work any more for a country wandering around the world bombing, invading and bullying others, because you could get nuked. But if you mind your own business, all those other predators have vastly too little incentive to mess with you, and will certainly not bother to invade you.
Though I don't keep up with the news, it seems that other structures pop up now and then that could be slightly modified to defuse the predators-that-be. I refer to some of the popular uprisings in the mid-east recently, presumably organized via internet. But that's not the most relevant example in my opinion. Consider the phenomenon of "flash mobs" in the USA, where 20 or 30 kids simultaneously run into a store, run around like crazy, grab stuff, and run out. In almost every case nobody is prepared to do anything about it. What if their target changed? What if all of a sudden 20 or 30 people attacked lone or near-lone predator/bulls-eye targets not near any backup? Piece of cake. 99% success at least, I'd guess. Which I suppose is just getting back to the first example (guerrilla techniques).
Now, I have to admit being uneasy about some of these possibilities. I mean, the good thing about a bunch of wild, dangerous kids with weapons (even if only bottles, bricks and pipes) and absolutely no illusions of fictions in their heads to control them... is that they will not see "officials" as "officials", but merely "oppressors" (which is a valid identification of an important characteristic of predators). However, they may also not have much of any other ideas in their heads either, for example "ethics". The challenge here (for whoever might be an organizer, which is certainly not me!) is to make sure they have the basic ethics of individualism (and predator versus producer). You might be surprised to know how few good, valid ideas an individual needs to make them benevolent, once you remove all those bogus fictions like "government" and "authority" and all forms of "collective" (including "gang", "race", "religion", etc).
Your intellect is obviously FIRMLY captured by predator fictions. For you to completely discount producers because "all natural resources have claims against them" is utterly laughable. I mean, seriously! So what if the first human to be able to speak language says "I hereby claim the universe is mine"? Give us a break!
The FACT is, all such claims are bogus. Nobody created the universe (or earth), and thus nobody has any claims on natural resources. For you to turn around and say "but the predators back it up with force" is irrelevant. Every bully has done that throughout history, but anyone who assigns any legitimacy or relevance to those claims is one of them (a bully and predator). The predators (or anyone else) have no claim to resources they are not currently processing. Period.
This really does come down to a stupid 8 year old child's game. Anyone who just asserts something like "that is mine" or "you are my slave" or "you must obey me" is nothing more than a freaking 8-year old intellect with too much energy and a big fat flapping mouth. When you hand a gun and clip of ammo to an 8-year old, they are still and 8-year old and still just as full of crap as the moment before you handed them the gun.
You say the authorities don't need anything except the fact they have survived. Oh yes they do. They need people like you who continue to believe and promote the lie that predators are omnipotent, and we have no choice other than obey, or become a bigger, badder predator than them. More nonsense of an 8-year old intellect.
All it takes to end that nonsense is... STOP. Yes, it is easier said than done, but in fact it would work just fine if the producers of this world just stopped producing. Presumably the producers would carefully hide away some goodies (and themselves) so while the predators and parasites eat each other, they just relax and wait.
Now, I understand that sounds simplistic. But it is only simplistic in one way, and that is convincing the producers to take that action. Period. If they DID take that action, the predators and parasites would be virtually gone in three months without the need of any investment of producer time, effort or resources, or the need for producers to attack or shoot anyone.
What should make you adopt my point of view is... part of your own argument. That is, what is likely to happen in a world of "banana republics with nukes". Or stated otherwise, what happens on a planet full of nukes run by predators-gone-wild?
I mean, you agree the current scheme is pathologically insane, so we agree upon that. Which is why I say you really, really, really need to get MORE radical, and not attempt to somehow magically solve the problem by means of current structure (an entire planet full of pathologically insane clueless-sheeple-chimps following the orders of pathologically insane predator-chimps pretending to be all sorts of completely bogus fictions like "government", "authority", "united-nation", etc.
That can't work. You must see that. You must see that the aggressively pathological insanity of the current system must be removed for mankind to have a hope. And the primary feature of that insanity is... those fictions, especially those fictions that pretend to be massive collectives. They are the most dangerous precisely because the are massive numbers of chimps taking massive numbers of massively insane actions. Even large numbers of crazy individuals are not so dangerous. But mislead by fictions to all push in the same direction? VERY BAD.
Yes, every last bit of the entire universe is a single whole. We do not disagree. But as we both agree, the actions of all individuals CAN (if we let them) impact other individuals. Which is why we need a coherent way to observe and understand the entire whole. Each of us needs such an understanding to guide our behavior in an effective way. If we don't have such an understanding, or we have a completely bogus false-understanding like at least 99.999% of individuals do, we (and they) will wander around taking pathologically insane actions, which not surprisingly have very destructive consequences.
If the actions of predators did NOT impact producers, we'd have the system I advocate. If the actions of producers did NOT impact predators, we'd have the system I advocate. If the actions of predators did NOT impact prey, we'd have the system I advocate.
Obviously we don't have that system. But all we can do is... work towards that system, because otherwise we support, sanction and/or defend the predators and the eventual destruction of mankind (which I hardly give a crap about any more, because almost everyone asked for it in spades).
However, as I point out, there is another very radical possibility that very few of us think about, or work towards. That is... leave the freaking jungle. Leave the predators behind. Leave the parasites behind. Leave the prey behind. Give up on this pathologically insane planet of the chimps, and live where no predators live. In or behind an asteroid or comet or small moon, or in spacecraft or small habitats. Or something along those lines.
Though difficult, this is probably our best chance. Why? Because trying to help fundamentally psychotic chimps become sane is more difficult.
I understand your comments about achieving a "static energy system". I just happen to think that's pointless. The freaking sun has a lot of free energy, and even that tiny portion that reaches earth is significant. Furthermore, the core of the earth (starting not very far below the surface in fact) has a lot of free energy. If the chimps would "dethrone" the predators-DBA-governments and predators-DBA-centralbanks and predators-DBA-other-large-scale-fictions, and invest even a small fraction of those resources in regular old boring science and engineering, then man has plenty of energy to live a healthy, comfortable, non-polluted lifestyle for a long, long, long, long time.
All these "overshooting" you mention only exist where millions of chimps are pushing in the same direction (until they all lose their footing) due to their belief in these mass-delusion fictions. You want to eliminate these insane imbalances (as well as most destructive endeavors), then get rid of the freaking fictions!
We seem to agree that the fiat, fake, fraud, fiction, fantasy, fractional-reserve electronic debt schemes backed by nuclear bombs is a very bad idea. But don't you see? The only way to unseat those predators is for the masses of chimps to understand they've been eating poison bananas all along. Until then, the chimps will continue to accept poison bananas, and continue to hallucinate, and continue to keep those destructive systems intact.
The only "death controls" man needs are the ones called "suicide" and "self-defense". One is death by and of the same individual, and is a practice that more individuals should consider and practice (the notion of spending $2,000,000 to extend the life of an individual in pain for a few months is psychotic... unless that human has saved that $2,000,000 and actually wants to suffer the torture, in which case it is still psychotic, but not for others to decide). Another is simply "the application of the predator modus-operandi to predators", which seems simple and justified enough to me.
Any other "death controls" are just fancy terms for murder.
Believe me, I have the "highest of consciousness", but that doesn't mean I should be deciding who lives and who dies (other than the two cases I just mentioned). Just because I am more enlightened, and a great philosopher, doesn't mean some magic happens that makes it okay for me to cause the death of others. The military industrial complex we have is bad enough already. And, as an aside, I don't trust you or anyone who believes they should be able to decide who lives and dies. Let nature take its course. Let individuals take their course.
I maintain that it is NOT possible for human beings to just fuzz their brains out and magically grok the fundamental nature of the entirety of existence. Can you?
I maintain that it is NOT possible for human beings to completely understand existence by identifying and naming and studying portions of existence, and assembling them into narrative stories without them being organized lies and organized robberies and organized destruction... UNLESS... we ALWAYS keep in mind during our processes of observation, thought, study, reflection and other processes of consciousness... that our knowledge is limited (to what we have observed and those aspects we have considered), and that all of our knowledge is provisional (except ~3 utterly fundamental premises that are inherently certain).
You suffer from the same problem that so many smart people do. Once upon a time you absorbed the notion that the concept "knowledge" == "omniscience". Without a doubt, anyone with that premise who bothers to check eventually learns that his knowledge is defective!
But he is WRONG. It is not [necessarily] his knowledge that is defective, it is his premise that "knowledge == omniscience". To those of us who are only omniscient about 3 things, but otherwise consider our knowledge to inherently be incomplete and provisional, the distress you and so many other smart folks suffer simply doesn't exist.
We didn't "set ourselves up" with a completely impossible standard, then bitch or reject knowledge altogether when we couldn't meet the standard. We have a rational concept of "knowledge". We gain an observation here, and observation there, make a connection here, notice a pattern there, form an provisional inference now and then, continuously accumulate more observations, continuously question and check our provisional inferences, modify our inferences whenever all our accumulated observations and inferences honestly imply, and just keep on trucking.
We have no illusion of being omniscient! But we sure have a lot of knowledge, and as we live, as we observe, as we reflect, as we grapple to understand everything... the detailed "stories" as well as the "whole story" become more and more coherent, more and more sensible, more and more precise, more and more reliable... but never omniscience. We know that's impossible, though on some topics and issues we can achieve near certainty... what most any reasonable individual would call "practical certainty". But infinity doesn't exist, and neither does omniscience, so technically speaking, we'll never be god. We can live with that.
Too bad you can't. Too bad you believe that ONLY via omniscience is honesty possible. That's where you're wrong. That's your mistake. You see, we who are honest 100% of the time never create lies. We may make unintentional mistakes, but we do not lie even once, much less concoct elaborate structures of "organized lies" as you correctly characterize them. Yes, the predators regularly do that, and always promote and defend them. But just because you're not omniscient doesn't mean YOU MUST LIE, much less "you must create elaborate configurations of organized lies". You don't. So don't believe you must. You're wrong about that.
So change your ID to "HonestRadical" or "RadicalHonesty" (or something flashier but equivalent), and join the party. Set a standard you can meet, then get to work. The standard you CAN meet, though vanishingly few humans do, is honesty. No exceptions. And to be clear here, we mean honesty with yourself (as well as other benevolent individuals if you care to communicate with them). But the lack of honesty that will destroy you is... dishonesty with self. It only takes a tiny little bit of dishonesty with self to completely destroy an intellect. All you need to do is be dishonest about some fundamental issue, and you might as well just destroy your whole brain, because you've rendered it useless. In fact, once you've done that you are indeed stuck in the trap you describe. From then on, you will not be able to avoid creating endless "organized lies". And to support them, they will unavoidably become more and more elaborate and extensive as time passes.
Make sense?
honestann, THERE IS A "... current structure, an entire planet full of pathologically insane clueless-sheeple-chimps following the orders of pathologically insane predator-chimps pretending to be all sorts of completely bogus fictions like "government", "authority", "united-nation", etc. ..." There is no point to ignoring that, and no more radical truth comes from ignoring that FACT.
Of course, I agree with you that "... Any other "death controls" are just fancy terms for murder. ..." However, I do NOT agree with your view that "I don't trust you or anyone who believes they should be able to decide who lives and dies. Let nature take its course. Let individuals take their course." Human beings are part of nature, and the evolution of human warfare was part of nature. Warfare was the oldest and best developed human science, because human ecology required that to happen. There was nothing able to stop that from happening, because it was driven to occur by the chronic political problems inherent in the nature of life. That WAS "nature taking its course." Individuals did join in greater gangs, that were able to destroy lesser gangs. Saying that they should not never made any difference, because they could, and they did, and nobody else could stop them from doing that.
Human beings ARE forced by their innate human nature, to develop artificial selection, as their conscious appreciation of natural selection. They never had a choice not to, because they were always part of the natural world, with its package deal of life, and its evolutionary ecology. The human consciousness, not by accident, made militarism a priority, and still makes weapons the number one priority, by being the biggest business in the world. There were good reasons for that. The problems that those weapons of mass destruction have become trillions of times more powerful means that we should develop better death controls, inside of a context of artificial selection, operating murder systems through a greater use of information, which enables a higher consciousness about doing that better.
There is NO realistic way to stop that from happening, only MAYBE enable it to happen better. Your proposals, honestann, are based on impossible ideals that ignore the ways that human beings already are organized systems of lies, operating organized robberies. That their "fictions" are lies does not stop that propaganda from controlling them. Only better propaganda might displace that ... although, by the far the most probable futures look like dystopian destructions.
E.g.:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tan2yLqwkGE&list=UUvsye7V9psc-APX6wV1twLg
Meet The Police Force of The Future
Although there may be a lot of collapsing of the economy for most people, there will still be a priority placed on weapons, and those are going to continue to get way, way more capable and powerful in the future. "Death controls" are not going to disappear. Rather, radically transformed militarism, by better understanding the purposes of the murder systems, are the only possible better futures.Your impossible ideals, honestann, are more impossible than mine, and therefore, even less likely than what I am proposing, which, at least, has some remote theoretical possibility to happen, while what you are proposing is absolutely impossible to ever happen I regard it as ridiculous to believe that "we who are honest 100% of the time never create lies!" The moment you begin using any natural language, like English, you have already adopted a whole host of philosophical presumptions, many of which are wrong. The mere fact that we are communicating in English means we are necessarily inside of our own culture. We are axiomatically inside of that context of a package deal, because we are using our language, which makes it absolutely impossible to be "100% honest." Any finite system of understanding is subtracted from an infinite whole, and therefore, is necessary a lie, no matter how honest anyone operating within that finite system of understanding may attempt to be.
Therefore, honestann, I believe you propose something which is axiomatically impossible. I do NOT believe in the omniscience of any finitely defined entity. On the contrary, I believe that any possible information suffers from inherently necessary limits to measurement. That is why I speak only about relatively useful systems of lies, operating organized robberies, and say that we have to continue to muddle through the madness of the dynamic equilibria between different systems of organized lies, operating organized robberies, especially since the death control technologies continue to become more and more amplified all the time, towards becoming done by automated computer/machine entities!
Indeed, rather than not have any more predators, we are more likely to end up with robotic predators, evolving to perhaps operate in autonomous ways, since the current social systems have become runaway psychotics. But nevertheless, there are still chronic political problems, inherent in the nature of all life, which must be resolved somehow, and will continue to develop.
honestann, when you say that "Too bad you believe that ONLY via omniscience is honesty possible" you were partially right. However, you mistake the finite for the infinite, or confuse the two together, without recognizing how infinitely different they are! "God" or the totality of all energy, in all possible universes, has omniscience, by being All Energy, and thus All Information. However, as soon as we define any finite beings, in any relatively useful ways, then those finite beings can NEVER be omniscient, but only operate through relative lies.
I tend to believe that the total Universe of infinite universes is PERFECT, and omniscient, and transcendentally, each and every part that participates is TOO. However, no finite system of understanding can ever be THAT. No individual human being can do anything else that operate through relative lies, operating relative robberies, due to the definition of them as being that individual. The same applies to all groups of human beings.
As far as I can see, we are stuck inside of a social reality built on the history of warfare, because it had to be, and there is no realistic future other than more of that. There ARE people who operate their combined money/murder systems. The only possible futures are to MAYBE evolve better dynamic equilibria to do that better than those are being done now. Any suggestions to stop that from happening are non-starters, since those systems already exist as on-going activities.
Therefore, honestann, you are right that, IF we survive, then we will have to do so by developing better organized systems of lies: creating endless "organized lies". And to support them, they will unavoidably become more and more elaborate and extensive as time passes. THAT IS THE WAY THE REAL WORLD HAS ALWAYS WORKED, AND IF ANY HUMAN BEINGS SURVIVE, WILL CONTINUE TO WORK.
Well, all I can say is... you haven't been paying any attention to "bubbles" these past several years, and previous "bubbles" throughout history. They don't go vertical forever, they CRASH AND BURN. Every single real bubble has, and every single real bubble will.
This is the natural pattern of your never ending, more and more elaborate and extensive systems of "organized lies", just as it is the natural pattern of other absurdities, like the price of tulip bulbs, homes, debt, etc.
One of four things will happen as you and your ilk happily applaud and attempt to dominate the upward spiral of predatory behavior and lies.
#1: You will all die (and those of us who you label as so impractical will leave this planet and live happily ever after... if we finish our project in time).
#2: You will almost all die, and do so much damage to the natural and technological infrastructure that the physical reality around you will no longer support the majority of your "organized lies" (fiat money, nation states, full spectrum dominance militarism, etc).
#3: Finally producers will call the bluff of the predators and their endless system of "organized lies" (most of which are simply fictions I regularly expose).
#4: The final alternative I prefer not to mention in public.
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Nothing real is infinite. Therefore, all your comments about the possibilities and behavior of infinities is... just over-the-top insanity.
Also note the distinction between honesty and truth. An honest human being who has recognized the characteristics of human (and other) language will take that into account. You and many others are still unable to understand the difference between omniscience or perfection and... legitimate knowledge. You stomp your feet and DEMAND that nature give you eyeballs that detect light of all wavelengths, from 0A (angstroms) to 10000000000000000000000A and beyond. Your stance is, ability to see light from 4000A to 7000A is limited, and therefore DEFECTIVE and therefore NOT KNOWLEDGE.
To which I say... yes, it is limited, but not defective, and perfectly capable of being able to provide evidence with which we can draw inferences and gain knowledge. You see, a sane individual simply rejects fairy-tales like those you create, and wonders how anyone can be so unrealistic and childish to stomp their feet and demand of the universe that the physical nature of real materials does not permit every possible observation of every possible characteristic of reality to occur.
Sorry, but that is simply the position of every spoiled brat, and every philosopher I'm aware of (which isn't many). Those of us with better things to do than create bogus rationalizations to back up our emotion-derived system of "organized lies" simple observe that "eyes and our sensory-perceptual system that processes the output of eyes have certain characteristics, and we will take them into account, and infer as best we can given what we know about our sensors and detectors".
You'd make a great scientist (sarcasm). You wouldn't understand your sensors and then make appropriate allowances for things like "dark-current" and "noise" and "response-curve" like any real (that is, honest) scientist. No. You'll just stomp your feet and say "I refuse to make observations because all sensor systems are limited and flawed, and all perception systems are limited and flawed, and so I'll just let my emotions run wild and justify whatever atrocities I care to cause".
Yes, reality is a bitch. The nature of reality (and certainly the nature of human beings) do not deliver perfect sensation, perfect perception, perfect conception, or perfect knowledge. In fact, the nature of reality forces all sentient beings to be very careful, very diligent, very conscious of everything involved in observation, everything involved in processing observations, everything involved in thinking about our observations, everything about drawing inferences rationally, and require we are self-conscious about what we are doing and how we are doing it. Because otherwise we'd do incredibly STUPID things like... assume we are perfect, or omniscient, or that faith can deliver absolute truth directly to our brains.
We don't, and we won't. Because we're not spoiled brats.
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BTW, "information" is not "knowledge". A freaking enormous hard-disk with all the information in the world has ZERO knowledge. Think about it. The fact is, "knowledge" is much more difficult than information. Information is an observation, or a bunch of observations. Knowledge requires we be aware of all observations, and all previous inferences, and all previous knowledge, and integrate them thoroughly, attempt to recognize all connections and relationships relevant to our current thought process, and grasp as much as we can, as well as its significance to any issue we wish to explore and know about.
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There is one universe. There has always been one universe. There will always be one universe. All this nonsense about parallel universes popping into existence every nanosecond is pure fantasy-fairy-tail nonsense.
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The history of warfare is not the entirety of the history of mankind. Though warfare certainly is significant in many ways, you simply omit and attempt to do away with other, more important aspects of reality, mankind and their history.
Note that warfare did not always exist... unless you simply deem every physical conflict between two or three or five people to be "warefare". Yet you wish to raise nasty things like "organized lies" (propaganda), "death controls" (murder) and warefare to some special "fundamental status", and pretend that nothing else matters.
Well, I can assure you of one thing. Unless mankind wipes himself out of existence, all these things will become obsolete. Just as "warfare" only came to exist after "government", so to did "government" come to exist after some tens of thousands of years.
And, in fact, it is precisely these things you hold so dear that will cause mankind to vanish from existence. Which should make you question your approach. Even if you think my approaches are "long shots", at least they leave you and mankind with some form of existence (and a rather enjoyable one at that).
You are much too non-radical. You are so utterly and completely status-quo that you blow my mind. You tell me that these things are the core fundamentals of mankind ("warfare", "death controls", "organized lies")... and then you utterly and completely embrace them throughout your posts. You should call yourself "StatusQuo" or "StatusQuoJoint" or something along those lines, because everything you state in your posts clearly states and claims you are absolutely mainstream status-quo.
What mankind needs is... more radical folks.
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You say "we are stuck inside of a social reality built on the history of warfare, because it had to be, and there is no realistic future other than more of that". Well, all I can say about that is, you speak for yourself and not for me.
I can assure you, I am not stuck inside any social reality.
More importantly, I am not stuck inside any social fiction!
Since I was 4 years old I've thought of myself as an alien observer, metaphorically looking down from orbit and observing a very strange species of sheeple-chimps acting absolutely crazy, bouncing off the walls. Your pretend that I can't think outside that box is so completely wrong, well, you couldn't be more wrong.
However, I do understand why you assume that --- because the vast majority of humans on earth do adopt the absurd, insane, completely wacko ideas and behaviors of the other chimps in their vicinity. Just because you can't break out of the "structure of organized lies" around you, doesn't mean nobody else can. I did. Just because you can't break out of your fascination with the "death controls" around you, doesn't mean nobody else can. I did. Just because you can't break your brain out of the endless fiats, fakes, frauds, fictions and fantasies of the other chimps around you, doesn't mean nobody else can. I did. And just because you can't help being a predator apologist, doesn't mean nobody else can. I can. And just because you are trapped in the status-quo of absolute, complete, utter insanity, doesn't mean everyone is. I'm not.
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You say, The moment you begin using any natural language, like English, you have already adopted a whole host of philosophical presumptions, many of which are wrong.
You could not be more wrong. Incredibly, laughably wrong. But me? Nope! Just the opposite. From a very young age (4-years old) I've been noticing these scams. And the very first thing noticing this made me do (in self defense), is to never adopt automatic presumptions, whether they are codified in the language I happened to be speaking then (Chinese) or now (English, C, C++, ASM, FPGA, ICE, etc).
Of course, I don't doubt that most humans are accidentally adopt inferences that are part of the language they speak (and think in). One of my favorites examples of this is the so-called "mind-body dichotomy". Hilarious! Some moron way back when, probably guided by some religious or mystical idea (or just plain ignorance), assumed that "mind" is a "thing"... and thus created the term "mind" as a "noun".
As you point out, what might seem a subtle error at first, has actually led billions of humans to completely misunderstand the nature of consciousness (AKA "mind"). So as you point out, it led to a stupid "philosophical problem", namely "how can mind, which is not physical, possibly control the body, which obviously is physical?". This is the so-called "mind-body dichotomy".
Which is, of course, actually a "linguistic error" that has kept thousands of philosophers employed for centuries! Sigh. The fact is, "mind" is "consciousness", and "consciousness" is a set of "processes performed by the brain" (as well as by our inorganic conscious entities/machines).
Today, I can speak or think the word "mind" without assuming "mind is a non-material object". I can also speak or think the words "government", "authority", "nation", "official", "law" (and thousands of more) without assuming they exist.
I can prove this (even for you). You can speak or think the term "SantaClaus" can you not? Of course you can! And guess what? Just because that term is formulated as a name of a real, physical being... does NOT prevent your brain from recognizing exactly what that term is, means and refers-to. So you see, I proved that even status-quo brains (and "minds") can be self-conscious enough, and self-editing enough, and self-aware enough... to prevent absurdities of languages, carefully crafted propaganda, and outright lies from fooling us.
But only humans who always remain aware of this issue, and always remain self-conscious about the nature of mental-units they form, and the nature of mental-units when they think with them, and the nature of mental-units when they convey them, and the nature of mental-units whenever they create, modify or access them. Unfortunately, most humans only "fix" their mental-units when doing so becomes widely accepted.
But you really do need to recognize that nobody is locked into some social reality by these mistakes of language and the endless fictions and deception promoted by predators.
You are only screwed by these malfunctions because you allow them, or are too lazy to monitor the creation, modification, processing and flow of ideas, concepts, mental-units in your brain.
But I can and do so, full time. I even recognize them in my dreams (not kidding).
Of course, I have an additional reason to be very, extremely careful with every single mental-unit. Why? Because my work is implementing inorganic consciousness, and we must be absolutely certain that every built-in mental-unit is precise, and that every process of consciousness is always careful to check and monitor the nature and status of every mental-unit, every time it creates, modifies, accesses or processes them in any way. That's because we're not just creating an inorganic consciousness that is just as stupid and insane as normal human beings.
What's the point in that? Oh, that's right, to create inorganic fighters and pilots for your hyper-advanced warfare, death control, organized lie systems. Sorry to burst your bubble, but no freaking way! You may imagine we must submit to the standard behavior of insane, crazed, flaming predator-chimps or sheeple-chimps... but we won't. Period. We aren't doing this project on a shoe-string budget because we have too... the "full spectrum dominance" warfare culture would happily have paid us to develop smarter-than-human predator-slaves for them, and would happily pay any price whatsoever when we're done, but we are not controlled by your rationalizations, only you are. A few months after we have the first full-speed unit working... we're outta here. Probably nobody will know what happened, or how we managed to advance so quickly and leave, unless of course someone happens to figure out I had something to do with it, and comes back and finds this message! Sorry, too late! Rest in peace, chimps.
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Yes, humans are part of nature. Unfortunately for you, what our nature is capable of is something you are only partly aware. You assume the currently dominant liar-predator-chimps are "the only way". Boy are you wrong! But obviously you are utterly unaware of any non-status-quo possibility. Well, that's your loss, and the loss of 99.9999999% of the planet.
Actually, I don't much disagree with you. I'm surprised you didn't notice that. A large percentage of my messages say in one way or other that human beings are finished, or humans beings will spiral down the toilet of history, or some other very negative assessment.
The difference is... I see another way. Not an easy one. Not one for conformists or lovers of the status-quo. But a possible one... and I don't only mean the high-tech version I mention now and then and today. I mean simpler versions... like a large scale strike by producers, like producers taking over some fictional country and keeping out predators long enough to "turn the tide" in some way (via massive production, or massive advances of technology, or just an example that draws most of the honest, ethical, benevolent producers in the world to their locale, thereby starving the status-quo statist, collectivist, authoritarian predators, parasites and sheeple to the point of... enlightenment!
Yeah, I know, and agree. Fat chance. Which is why we have no interest in taking any part in the world today, or any fight, or warfare, or death controls or organized lies. We'll just finish our work, then leave, hopefully unseen in the dark of night from some location in the extreme boonies somewhere (perhaps from the middle of the pacific ocean somewhere). We'll leave you status-quo chimps to fight it out for control of your death controls and organized lies. You're welcome to them!
Your statement: "There is one universe. There has always been one universe. There will always be one universe. All this nonsense about parallel universes popping into existence every nanosecond is pure fantasy-fairy-tail nonsense." is most likely WRONG.
Black holes are likely feed another expanding universe. Our universe continues to expand at an accelerating rate. With new energy source, maybe, just maybe, our universe's life span may be infinity, and if you all will finish your project in time, maybe you can live forever. I still bet the universe will consume all energy and go to o kelvin, so take a lot of fur coats.
People just don't understand how to operate their brains. The "universe" means "everything". So even if there are strange things happening inside black holes, all that is part of the one and only universe... by definition.
The utterly corrupt notion is the multiple universe theory in which every "choice" (in one version) or every time something could express two (or more) ways... whole new universes identical to ours pop into existence in order to "express every possible choice/outcome".
Any scientist worth a pico-penny understands that the single most fundamental principle of science is the fundamental conservation principle, which identifies that things can change into other things, but nothing appears out of nothing, and nothing vanishes into nothing.
The why should be pretty obvious - then "nothing" == "something", and the fundamental nature of the universe is utterly incoherent fantasy. One can claim such nonsense, but is confronted with the fact that nobody has ever seen anything fundamental vanish from existence, or just pop into existence.
The configuration of the fundamental field changes, and so one configuration (that we call one kind of thing) can vanish while the new configuration (that we call some other kind of thing) can appear... but these are just changes in pattern of the fundamental field, not instances of the fundamental stuff of reality popping into existence out of nothing, or fundamental stuff of reality vanishing from existence without a peep.
But hey... humans can pretend anything they can imagine. And they do!
Thanks
Always a pleasure to read your posts
Very astute Statement. I have seen this repeatedly many times in my life. I tried to tell people this about GWB.
Percieving power as Stupid = Evil Genious in power - Think Obama, Bush II...
These people are not stupid - they may be puppets but they are paid well operatives that execute accordingly. They operate in a fashion that only a psycopath would operate. They appear stupid or to make stupid decisions, statements, and actions but they are actually very well and precisely calculated in a manner to create the perception of stupidity. Obama for example purposely put out a website that didn't work. Everything is happening according to a pre-played out script.
Also, people that get served in a lawsuit or those that are on the weaker side of a debate or generally disliking something will often call the other party 'stupid' - 'stupid' for not seeing their point of view or doing something they think is 'stupid'... almost always they are upset at the strategy and how it makes them feel... they themselves are too dumb to see what is coming or the real purpose so they lash out and project 'stupidity' on the other party.
Somehow we lost the definition of the word Stupid.
I also think that people in general have a habit that if they call something stupid, they can minimize it's importance on their life - so anything that doesn't fit their role or belief about how someone should act or speak is automatically 'stupid' and thus the channel can be changed. This works great for politicians who would almost prefer apathy to actually encountering someone with a real opinion.
In that sense,
turning to channel 13, we see this report that it would be say, stupid (or is ignorant a better term) to ignore for anyone with young children living on the entire west coast, and eventually in the ever increasing the mid-west denver center of the country's highest radiation area impact?
http://www.theecologist.org/News/news_analysis/2164974/fukushima_fallout...
Howdy hey El.
Thank you for this well spoken truth to power. If all this were common knowledge, would the babylonia empire of dust continue on day after day in the pursuits of the world domination and population reduction agendas? Maybe if you put together a simple pamphlet or flier, people could down load it and spread it all over the nation like wild fire.
You have put down some basics of the horrid truth here, but the most glaring reality in this unreality is, ALL OF THIS INSANITY IS PLANNED and proceeding ACCORDING TO THE GLOBALIST/NAZI/COMMUNIST/SOCIALIST/FASCIST PLAN of the banksters.
For those people who would like to see the movie referred to, here it is on the tube.:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lph5wDTt_g
Thanks for the youtube link. Didn't know about that.
"You have put down some basics of the horrid truth here, but the most glaring reality in this unreality is, ALL OF THIS INSANITY IS PLANNED and proceeding ACCORDING TO THE GLOBALIST/NAZI/COMMUNIST/SOCIALIST/FASCIST PLAN of the banksters."
I would hope that I made that pretty clear in my comment.
Yes...true that...and brilliant light it is!
Thank you.
Check this out for fun.
http://rinf.com/alt-news/breaking-news/barack-obama-slammed-by-the-new-y...
Thanks, Heart. I think the MSM realizes that they have gone too far in their tacit support of the psychopath agenda and become irrelevant. And while money is, in itself, of no importance to those who fabricate it from the dark side of the zero point matrix, on a corporate level, the main stream news media is slowly going bankrupt from inattention and are not happy with it. I believe I read that Nielsen reports that Alex Jones' internet TV show has higher ratings than CNN.
Zbigniew Brzezinski, a tier 1 David Rockefeller apparatchik, recently wailed that they were losing the infowars. Hope it is true and not a head fake, and I intend in my last years to try to do my part.
As to Obamacare and its fucked up web site, of course it was done intentionally. Of that we can be sure. Exactly why is speculative. I could think of four reasons off the top of my head, but it would be interesting to hear what others think. But since we are commenting on GW's "stupid government" post, the stupidest thing one can write is that the reason that the Obamacare web site was born DOA was because his administration is stupid and incompetent. No way. Evil yes but stupid no. While I will concede that Obama himself is pretty stupid, then again, he just takes orders. He wasn't selected for his intelligence, but rather for his complexion and abiity to lie soulfully to ones's face with big, doleful eyes. One can go back 2500 years and read The Art of Warfare where Sun Tzu wrote that the greatest strategic advantage a general can have is to convince the opposing generals that he is dumb as a rock.
like all crime, there are levels to this stupidity:
negligent govt stupidity, reckless govt stupidity, and intentional government stupidity
both in policy and politicians
Some criminals know when they commit wrong doing and their conscience picks at them. Other criminals insist that they've done no wrong, and will spin the most outrageous yarns to rationalise their actions. I think politicians belong in the latter.
Years ago, I met a guy who defrauded people by selling them timeshares in properties that didn't exist, were dilapidated, or had been sold too many times ("commingled" & "rehypothecated). He also worked legitimately to sell high end timeshares in properties/yachts/jets. Anyway, he was most proud of defrauding his customers, because as he put it, he was practising the process of natural selection. He targeted the vulnerable - the stupid, the elderly, the mentally ill, and the poor, and each sale made him proud of doing nature's work. He fancied himself as a predator, and he genuinely could not understand why I thought he was a sick bastard. Apparently, he thought everyone at a certain level of wealth must have done the same. These sick people are much more common these days.
The USSA is finished! I have nothing else to comment anymore.
Hedge accordingly.
Fuck you Bernanqe!
actually i think those 14K deaths due to the leak at Fukashima is accurate based on comparative death rates around Chenobyl. 14K is not many considering how many people have been contaminated already and received no warning or prescription from the government about how to avoid the dangers, (because it would have been an economic nightmare) cheaper to just let them die, so mr market can make those new highs
"14K is not many considering how many people have been contaminated already and received no warning or prescription from the government about how to avoid the dangers,..."
Greetings Grateful.
Yes, but they voted for change! And now they have commie-care!! What else do the dying sheeple want???
Snarry...snooting snome snarking here. Snooky-snot button off.
Even the media and all their families are dying daily still believing in the coke-fuc dirty ugly dreams of their money-god satanic masters and slave drivers. Dying like the rest of the human race is, and still drinking the evil black muckity-uck kool-aid of deceptions, and dark matter beliefs. If the truth was told, the lies would seem meaningless compared to that evil that slithers below the sublime basic human principles of a normal society.
The unfrickingbelievable truth is...this daily spewing and professional cover-up of how bad and how much REAL radiation is KILLING every biological life form on the planet...slowly as planned...to profit from long term ("big f'n deal" commie-care) as planned...is being well obfuscated with the daily grind of sneering prognostications and pure morning blabbermouth carp for the opium masses all following the pied piper's call to the oceans of oblivion in death's sure dark embrace.
Preface: I am not so much anti-government as anti-stupid policy.
And there's your problem, trying to split the unsplittable. Since government always tends towards authority without responsibility, it always tends toward stupid policy. At least stupid in the general sense, government policy usually benefits somebody, but it's not the general populace.
like bernankes accidental policy of punishing savers, or obamas collateral damage by drone strike. they assume we are all good buddhists, who consent without asking who was killed to provide our bowl of rice, their mistake is assuming all good buddhists are nonviolent, which of course they are not, they are simply against these accidental killings, hence they walk with head bowed to avoid stepping on an insect. and they will kill themselves (self immolation) to make a statement about policies such as these.