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Congress Backs Terrorists In Syria … Then Says We Need NSA Spying Because There are Terrorists In Syria
The civil war in Syria started in March 2011. And see this.
However, the U.S. has been funding the Syrian opposition since 2006 … and arming the opposition since 2007. (In reality, the U.S. and Britain considered attacking Syrians and then blaming it on the Syrian government as an excuse for regime change … 50 years ago (the U.S. just admitted that they did this to Iran) . And the U.S. has been planning regime change in Syria for 20 years straight. And see this.)
The New York Times, (and here and here) , Wall Street Journal, USA Today, CNN, McClatchy (and here), AP, Time, Reuters, BBC, the Independent, the Telegraph, Agence France-Presse, Asia Times, and the Star (and here) confirm that supporting the rebels means supporting Al Qaeda and two other terrorist groups.
Indeed, the the New York Times has reported that virtually all of the rebel fighters are Al Qaeda terrorists.
The Syrian rebels are now calling for terrorist attacks on America. And we’ve long known that most of the weapons we’re shipping to Syria are ending up in the hands of Al Qaeda. And they apparently have chemical weapons.
And yet the U.S. is stepping up its support for the Islamic extremists.
The chair of the House Intelligence Committee – Mike Rogers – voted for arming the Syrian rebels. And the chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee – Diane Feinstein – has apparently quietly let arms flow to the rebels.
So are they admitting their mistake?
Heck, no! They’re using the specter of Syrian terrorists to justify mass surveillance by the NSA on innocent Americans …
And now he’s trying to use rebel Al Qaeda as an excuse for mass surveillance by the NSA.
As Juan Cole notes:
Senator Diane Feinstein and Rep. Mike Rogers took to the airwaves on Sunday to warn that Americans are less safe than two years ago and that al-Qaeda is growing and spreading and that the US is menaced by bombs that can’t be detected by metal detectors.
Call me cynical, but those two have been among the biggest detractors of the American citizen’s fourth amendment rights against unreasonable search and seizure of personal effects and papers. I think their attempt to resurrect Usama Bin Laden is out of the National Security Agency internal playbook, which specifically instructs spokesmen to play up the terrorist threat when explaining why they need to know who all 310 million Americans are calling on our phones every day. [Here's what he's talking about. And here.]
CNN’s Candy Crowley interviews them
Now, obviously there are violent extremists in the world and the US like all other societies is likely to fall victim to further attacks by terrorists. But if they could not inflict significant damage on us with 9/11 (and economically and in every other way except the horrible death toll, they could not), then it is a little unlikely that this kind of threat is existential.
In fact the number of terrorist attacks in the US has vastly declined since the 1970s (as has violent crime over-all), as WaPo’s chart shows:
(The chart shows each attack as a number and does not show fatalities; obviously the Oklahoma City bombing and 9/11 would be prominent in that case. But the fact is that foreign terrorist attacks kill almost no one in America these days. You’re far more likely to fall in your bathtub and die than to face terrorism).
Rogers makes a big deal out of the fighting in northern Syria as a threat to the United States and says “thousands” of “Westerners” have gone to fight there. But
Rogers is just obfuscating by mentioning vastly exaggerated statistics.
The number of Americans estimated by the FBI to be fighting in Syria? 24. Two dozen. That’s it.
The Syrian civil war has nothing to do with the US, and is a local struggle rather unlikely to involve hitting America (more especially since, as Rogers carefully avoids mentioning, the US is committed to arming these rebels to fight against al-Assad.)
That’s right. Mike Rogers voted to give arms to the Syrian rebels. And while he may hope they don’t go to the al-Qaeda affiliates (as happened when Ronald Reagan gave $5 billion to the Afghan Mujahidin in the 1980s) [oops], he has no guarantee that won’t happen and is willing to take the risk. If Rogers were really, really concerned about the Jabhat al-Nusra, he wouldn’t be risking upping its firepower with Americans’ tax dollars as a justification for monitoring who your 15 year old daughter calls on her cell phone.
Let us say that again. Feinstein and Rogers just came on television to scaremonger the American people with the Syrian jihadis, and both of them voted to give the Syrian rebels millions of dollars in arms.
That’s a pretty good racket. You support the jihadis abroad and then point to jihadis abroad as the reason for which you have to get into the underwear of the American people.
Then they brought up Iraq, which is another local struggle. Dick Cheney repeatedly warned that if the US left Iraq, the terrorists created by the US Occupation (he didn’t put it that way) would follow us home. But it was never very likely an allegation. You could easily get an attack in the US by a disgruntled Sunni Iraqi. But that the Sunni Arabs of Iraq are gunning for the US? No sign of it.
Indeed, Al Qaeda wasn’t even in Iraq until the U.S. invaded that country.
And U.S. policy has lead to a world-wide increase in terrorism.
Of course, mass surveillance doesn’t really have much to do with terrorism in the first place.
No wonder Americans have such a low opinion of Congress. But people like Feinstein and Rogers couldn’t care less.
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" logic " "logic " Thought I'd answer both at the same time.
The answer is can't compute, can't compute.
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Thanks, I'll use {deleted} next time. Some reason this computer is double posting and I didn't see how to actually delete the second post.
Here. Perhaps this will help.
http://www.amazon.com/The-War-Truth-Disinformation-Terrorism/dp/1566565960
And when you're finished with that one -read this.
http://www.amazon.com/The-Commission-Report-Omissions-Distortions/dp/156...
Both 'dated' but with what you are hearing from these two MIC shills it will most certainly help you connect the dots.
Yeah, happens to me sometimes, too...
My family is being terrorized.................by shitty government monopolies.
Syria and Fukushema are so unrelated. Why are they in the same article?
Probably because you have to read the article to figure it out
..and stupid government terrorism is more dangerous than stupid government policy
what's happening with the Tepco cleanup?
I'd tell you, but...
mffffmtth!!!@!
They are both tangled in the same web of deceit, or did you forget the sarc tag?
Wonder why Pelosi and Feinstein look mutants?
Because they are.
They're just politicians, i.e., representatives of those who actually run governments:
http://www.barefootsworld.net/nockoets0.html
Either it goes, or we all go, as it's an inherently predatory — and ultimately genocidal — enterprise.
Agreed. I'm tired of the scapegoating and blaming it all on politicians. Who put these assholes in office?
The bankers make sure that when you vote for either party, you vote for one of their supporters.
You are the asshole for not realizing this. Voting makes no fucking difference. Wake up, little sheep.
Idiots who still think national elections mean anything, that's who.
And how many other great minds in history that we don't know about because they weren't "politically correct"? This one I stumbled on earlier today from someone who probably wasn't as astute as the one you've pointed out, but understood what was happening to him and the Country at that time through the Federal Reserve.
Just goes to show you that we never learn from history and it's mistakes.
Much obliged for the information on Albert Nock that you provided.
Yes, Son of Captain Nemo, as your link stated:
Fr. Coughlin explains the Federal Reserve, 1940:
This privately owned corporation 'thrives on misery' and is 'leading this country into chaos' ...
EXPONENTIALLY INCREASING !!!
Under Obama the total government debts will have been doubled over all previous debts under all Presidents before him! The total debts for all Americans have been on a nearly perfect exponential growth curve, especially since the 1970s, when the American "money" became a purely faith-based, fiat money, operating as a state religion, since it is enforced by the government! We are living in those times when the Federal Reserve's debt slavery system is generating numbers which are becoming blatant debt insanity!
However, I would suggest that it is not completely correct that "we never learn from history and it's mistakes."
The primary way that people "learn from history" is that they are murdered by its events, while those death control selection pressures are what directs the future for the survivors.
The fundamentally fraudulent financial accounting system is the triumph of the application of the methods of organized crime, because when one actually understands how human civilization operates as an energy system, it becomes clear that civilization is NECESSARILY ORGANIZED CRIME, CONTROLLED BY THE BEST ORGANIZED GANG OF CRIMINALS.
Since that RADICAL TRUTH is the last thing that the school systems and mass media are going to teach and inform people about, but rather the schools and mass media do their best to brainwash people to believe in the biggest bullies' bullshit social stories, the vast majority of citizens have become political idiots. Furthermore, given that already accomplished social fact, the controlled opposition of Black Sheeple, or reactionary revolutionaries, are always telling the few people that wake up to some more RADICAL TRUTHS that the solutions are for everyone to become better Sheeple, by government stopping to be organized crime, controlled by the best organized gangs of criminals.
Since those bullshit "solutions" are based on the same false fundamental dichotomies, and their related impossible ideals, therefore, those ideals always actually make the opposite happen in the real world. Therefore, it is quite typical for various kinds of old-fashioned religions to have their believers denounce the established debt/death controls, such as the money/murder system currently dominated by the Federal Reserve Board, while then propose impossible "solutions" to those problems, which deliberately ignore how and why those problems perpetually exist, as chronic political problems inherent in the nature of life, as soon as we define that life as separate from its environment, which is the way that human perception necessarily works, to name things, and assign those things properties, and then assemble those into narrative stories.
I was already familiar with the Albert Nock material, from previous posts on Zero Hedge. That, and the lecture from Couglin, were typical about how a small group of intellectuals were always aware of the severe social insanities rooted in the Federal Reserve system, but they were never able to do anything effective against the triumphant application of the methods of organized crime that made and maintained the Federal Reserve system.
What I always emphasize, Son of Captain Nemo, is that we have to dive a lot deeper! We should move past the use of false fundamental dichotomies regarding how we understand human ecology and political economy. Clearly, the deeper point about the way that the real world works is that are NO "good guys." There are only different kinds of bad guys. Furthermore, the "good guys" do not win, but rather, those who were the worst typically won. Therefore, governments ARE organized crime, operating by the best organized gangs of criminals. Furthermore, these days, the forms of organized lies, operating organized robberies that we call the biggest banks, and the big corporations that have grown up around those banks, have become in many real ways more powerful than the governments which originally chartered and allowed those banks and corporations to grow to the point where their initial covert control over governments has become more and more blatantly obvious to many people.
Therefore, it should not be surprising, given that context, to understand that the events on 9/11/2001 were an inside job, false flag attack, deliberately designed to get the war on terror going in a vicious spiral of increasingly dangerous reinforcing feedbacks, and that kind of deceit is what was also behind what has been happening in Syria. The real world currently has the international banksters, as the supreme organized crime gang, which are controlling governments, while also funding almost all sides at the same time, on down the convoluted chain of command of crazier and more feral organized crime gangs under their supervision.
We should stop using false fundamental dichotomies to understand anything that human beings are doing, and instead attempt to apply unitary mechanisms. In that light, then OF COURSE, the biggest terrorists by far are the international banksters, that controlled the government of the USA, to become the biggest overt terrorist organization, in order to deliberately drive more terrorism to be engendered, in increasingly obvious vicious spirals.
The deeper reasons for this are the chronic political problems inherent in the nature of life, which force there to develop evolutionary ecologies to resolve those problems. There was ALWAYS natural selection. Human beings became the experiment of developing a brain that could make models of the world, including models of inself within its models of the world. That NECESSARILY meant that human beings developed concepts of artificial selection, indirectly derived from natural selection, through the history of warfare, understood via militarism.
Militarism is the supreme ideology because the death controls are the central controls in all identified and defined living systems, which were subject to the natural forces of selection, which are that, given life, then death rates direct the evolution of that life. The history of warfare has always been based on deceits, and spies were always the most important soldiers. There is nothing new about false flag attacks, nor the apparent duplicity of American policy in Syria, within the overall context of debt slavery, backed up by wars based on deceits. The only thing new is the breakthroughs in the paradigms of basic sciences, which have enabled technologies which are trillions of times more powerful and capable than ever before in human history.
Since we operate our systems through Huge Lies, backed up with Lots of Violence, and the vast majority of people are taught to believe bullshit, which is diametrically opposite to the way that the real world works, we are developing systems of human artificial selection in the most assbackwards ways possible. The paradoxes have been that success in warfare were based on deceits, therefore, civilizations ended up being dominated by the maximum possible deceits, as the ways that we actually operate our real human ecology systems. Furthermore, as symbolic information became more important, those systems made and maintained by the War Kings morphed to become those now run by the Fraud Kings, which are currently exemplified by the central banks, and the monetary and taxation systems which surround those kinds of banks, which are attempting to consolidate their global dominance.
The deeper problem that I identify is that after relatively good analysis of the relatively superficial political problems, the people doing that then almost always collapse back to the same old-fashioned false fundamental dichotomies, and related impossible ideals, as what are supposed to provide the magical "solutions" to those problems. However, as long as human beings operate through naming things, and telling stories using symbols, then we are stuck within ourselves transforming natural selection into some forms of artificial selection.
The main historical events for several Centuries have been the international banksters consolidating their dominance and control over civilization. Of course, the events in Syria mainly fit into that context. However, the runaway, astronomically amplified risks caused by the situation in Syria relate to the basic ways that the history of warfare, being able to totally dominate the development of civilization through successful deceits, (enabling fundamentally fraudulent financial accounting systems to be built on that basis) now prevents us from making the kinds of quantum leaps to different systems of death controls, embodied in a better system of artificial selection.
The underlying realities of natural selection will not allow us to have no murder systems. Rather, militarism will always be the supreme ideology, because our murder systems operating our death controls will always be the most important things that our civilizations must do. (That will only become more and more intense the more progress there is in any other realms of science and technology.) Therefore, the runaway apparent absurdities exemplified by the apparent American policies in Syria illustrate the deeper problems that we should dive on through!
The banksters are pulling the strings of the puppet politicians, jerking them around to behave in apparently incompetent and stupid ways, because money is measurement backed by murder. But nevertheless, the banksters have a plan, (albeit a criminally insane plan, due to the degree to which it has become utterly obsolete, and therefore quite irrational to continue to pursue, although their social habits are to continue to do so!)
Welcome to the Bizarro Mirror World, Folks. Not only is almost everything publicly presented in ways which are backwards, and distorted, but the public "solutions" to those problems also tend to be presented in ways which are backwards and distorted too. The only good ways forward are to breakthrough to deeper paradigm shifts in the philosophy of science, which apply to political science, and especially to militarism.
Syria is about the international banksters fighting for control over the monetary system, in order to thereby control the natural resources. THE PROBLEM is that the weapons at risk of being used are trillions of times BIGGER than ever before in human history, while nothing in the currently dominant social habits have adequately adapted to that yet. Therefore, as several Zero Hedge articles have hinted at, the Federal Reserve Board is looking for more excuses to make more "money" out of nothing, and wars used to be the best excuses for doing that in the past.
However, what we really need are radically different murder systems, backing up a radically different monetary system, so that the death and debt controls that we operate can be made more consistent with the rest of the energy systems whose understanding have already gone through prodigious series of paradigm shifts, enabling awesome technological progress to be realized. The basic problem is that natural selection pressures are never going to disappear, as long as any life still exists. Therefore, human life, as self-conscious life, MUST develop its artificial selection systems within that context.
Indeed, we already have been doing that, in the form of the history of warfare, and militarism, and the ways that weapons were a priority, and currently the dominant business. The death controlling murder systems are necessarily a human priority, central to everything else. Upon those are built the debt controlling monetary systems. I REPEAT: THE EXISTENCE OF NATURAL SELECTION FORCES HUMAN BEINGS TO DEVELOP ARTIFICIAL SELECTION. However, the real history of that has driven us to develop our combined money/murder systems to be based upon the maximum possible frauds and deceits. (Such as now seen in Syria, but also everywhere else one looks.)
The only genuinely better solutions to those problems is to breakthrough to different ways of thinking about those problems, which do not end up with impossible ideals as the basis for what we should do about the social facts that governments are the biggest organized gangs of criminals, controlled by the best organized gangs of criminals. We should be moving on through to using unitary mechanisms to comprehend how what always exists in the real world are dynamic equilibria between different systems of organized lies, operating organized robberies.
Merely correctly understanding those social facts, while then proposing that that "should be stopped," will necessarily fail and backfire badly, as it always has in the past, because it is the same as saying that "we should operate forms of artificial selection that stop natural selection from happening." In Syria, we are watching the ways that money is measurement backed by murder follow through its agenda. Of course, that is all getting insanely screwed up! However, we still have to go with the flow ...
Learn brevity, dumb ass. 1-2 paragraph summary and a link for the rest.
-1 for diarrhea of the keyboard.
... so a couple of superficial ad hominem replies, which do not respond to the substance, especially including the deeper point that one will NOT find that substantial view anywhere else that I am aware of, and so, there are no "links" to connect to, nor an already agreeing audience, which understands my points:
WHAT ACTUALLY EXISTS IS ARTIFICIAL SELECTION DONE PRIMARILY THROUGH SUCCESSFUL DECEITS AND FRAUDS, IN A CONTEXT WHERE ALMOST EVERYONE, INCLUDING THOSE ACTUALLY DOING THAT, PUBLICLY DENY THAT THERE SHOULD BE ANY ARTIFICIAL SELECTION AT ALL. THOSE ARE THE EXTREMELY ENTANGLED, PARADOXICAL WAYS THAT NATURAL SELECTION HAS MANIFESTED THROUGH HUMAN BEINGS, THAT ARE ABLE TO BUILD MENTAL MODELS OF THEIR WORLD, WHICH INCLUDE WITHIN THAT MODEL A MODEL OF THEMSELVES, WHICH HAS RESULTED IN SOCIAL STORIES BASED UPON THE HISTORY OF TRIUMPHANT DECEITS AND FRAUDS BEING WHAT DOMINATES CIVILIZATION, THROUGH PUBLIC PROPAGANDA THAT DOES ITS BEST TO DELIBERATELY IGNORE NATURAL SELECTION, AND HOW THAT MANIFESTS IN THE WAYS THAT CIVILIZATIONS ARE REALLY CONTROLLED, I.E., CONTROL BY HUGE LIES, INCLUDING THAT THE BIGGEST LIES ARE THAT THERE SHOULD NOT BE ANY CONSCIOUS CONTROLS.
The history of warfare became human evolutionary ecologies based upon triumphant deceits about themselves, upon which foundation was built fundamentally fraudulent political economies, within which context the ruling classes lie about everything they are doing, whereby both they, and those they rule over, lie about that by asserting that nobody should do what is actually being done. Therefore, around and around we go, with deceitful murder systems, backing up fraudulent money systems, where almost nobody will face those social facts in any deeper ways that acknowledge how those developed, and why they must exist in some form or another.
What ought to be basic scientific common sense regarding how human beings are animals that exist within the evolutionary ecologies of natural selection, which have a relative ability to understand their predicament, has become as inverted and perverted as possible by the history of successful warfare being based upon deceits, and successful political economy being based upon frauds. Within that overall social context, basic scientific common sense about natural selection in human beings necessarily becoming artificial selection has become as hyper-complexly entangled in deceits and frauds as it was possible for that to become. The paradigm shift to perceive politics as apply human ecology is extremely difficult, to the point of being almost practically impossible, due to the history of warfare, and economics, becoming based on the maximum possible deceits and frauds, so much so that all the dominant religions and ideologies are based upon deliberately ignoring basic scientific common sense as much as possible, that there IS, and MUST BE, some murder system, which DOES, and MUST, back up some money system. Given those social facts, IF some of us survive through the current social pyramid system's fake education, then some future society based upon more scientific, real education will surely look back on our times as a dark age of deliberate ignorance and fear.
SOCIAL PYRAMID SYSTEM:
PSYCHOPATHS & MORONS:
GREED RULING STUPIDITY.
That is why Congress promotes self-cancelling contradictions, as their bullshit justifications for what they are doing in Syria, as well as everywhere else one looks! Furthermore, that is why the things that were being done in the Middle East are going to return to happen in North America, which gives rise to issues such as this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOsN-P5abVg
Message to Police
That 8 minute video acknowledges that it is being unreasonably optimistic when it asks the "police" to consider their own individual conscience, and therefore, to NOT obey excessively evil orders! However, looking around the world illustrates that most people would like "peace," IF they had a choice, BUT probably they shall NOT have any choices to avoid it getting worse. There are those few who are psychopathic,
or sociopathic, controlling governments, and the many, many, which would provide NO better governments whatsoever at all!
The two prongs of the vice squeezing in on us are the established ruling classes, being psychopaths, AND those who are ruled being political idiots! Those who control through deceit, and those who are controlled that remain deliberately ignorant too.
Hence, the issue of terrorism exists inside of a real context where most of the "terrorism" was started by false flag attacks, while the deeper necessity that there must be some murder systems operating death controls at the center of human ecology is deliberately denies and buried, under lies about what the real death control systems are actually doing.
I WISH that it was possible to simply summarize that, and give a link or two to an already well-known authoritative source. However, as far as I am aware of, there is practically no such sources which address not only the issue that most of the real death controls are done through deceits, but then also still admits that some death controls must exist.
Instead of addressing either of those basic points, the "replies" are nothing but ad hominem, which is typical amongst the reactionary revolutionaries. THE POINTS ARE THAT DEATH CONTROLS ACTUALLY OPERATE THROUGH DECEITS, BUT THAT SOME DEATH CONTROLS MUST STILL NECESSARILY EXIST! That has trapped us into feedback loops, or vicious spirals, and so, my comments necessarily chase that around and around its loops!
Generally speaking the majority of people still appear to believe the lies about "terrorism," without fully facing the facts about the history of false flag attacks. Those few who do face the facts about false flag attacks then tend to continue to deliberately ignore the deeper reasons how and why warfare evolved the kind of human ecology that it did. Therefore, we have the first practical impossibility of getting enough people to understand the most "terrorism" was started by false flag attacks, and then, the next practical impossibility of getting enough people to understand that some murder system death controls must exist.
Combining both of those together enables us to better understand the ways that the Syrian situation is deteriorating so badly, with millions of refugees now out in the cold, struggling to survive in the context of the runaway social insanity situations, where all the so-called "peace processes" are almost totally bullshit, because they deliberately ignore the basic human ecology, industrial ecology and natural ecology issues which should be central to negotiating any better dynamic equilibria. The well-established professional liars and immaculate hypocrites dominate almost all social institutions totally, including the controlled opposition groups to the ruling classes within the already well-established systems.
The Zero Hedge Web site represents a much more than average advanced understanding of those social facts, but still, not yet nearly enough, because there is pretty well nowhere in the public spaces where BOTH the false flag aspects of "terrorism," AND the necessity of murder systems, are acknowledged and debated any more forthrightly. There are no well-known, established schools of thought that one can refer to, or provide links to, which admit and recognize those BOTH/AND situations that there are, and must be, murder systems, while the ones which actually exist deny that.
Instead, the mainstream morons discount the degree to which most "terrorism" was started by false flag attacks, while the reactionary revolutionaries, that partially recognize that fact, then still tend to refuse to admit that there could be better death controls, less totally based upon deceits. Nothing less than that MIGHT provide some genuine future resolutions to the Syrian situation, which is likely going to come to North America later, as conditions overall continue to deteriorate ...
Fr. Coughlin would have appreciated this, then:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFDe5kUUyT0
And before Nock, there was Oppenheimer:
http://www.franz-oppenheimer.de/state0.htm
Also, commenting and expanding upon the two, our own ZH contribution:
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/guest-post-nature-and-origin-state
Booo! Scared ya
Only an idiot would believe that these actions are "mistakes" on the part of the politicos.
Good Fucking Grief!
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This would be funny if it weren't sad.
Considering there hasn't been a mass die-off in shellfish off the coast of FUKUSHIMA, it's doubtful there's a relationship.