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CNN and Huffington Post Are “External Stakeholders” In Nuclear Regulatory Commission

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Presstitute Media Shills for Nuclear Power

It is well-documented that the claim that nuclear power is a low-carbon source of energy is mere propaganda.

The archaic nuclear reactor design used at Fukushima and in most reactors in the United States and throughout the world was chosen solely because it helps to make nuclear bombs.

Our health has been sacrificed – and the dangers of radiation covered up – for 68 years … for the sake of nuclear weapons.

The mainstream media – and gatekeeper “alternative” media – are pro-war. They may occasionally criticize one tiny aspect of the war-fighting machinery, but never the overall war effort.

As such, it should not be entirely surprising that the Nuclear Regulatory Commission lists CNN and Huffington Post as “external stakeholders” in the NRC.

As EneNews reports:

Independent Evaluation of NRC’s Use and Security of Social Media, Office of the Inspector General, Jan. 2013:

Social Media Evaluation Interview List [Appendix VI, pg. 82]

  • Internal Stakeholders (NRC staff) […]
  • External Stakeholders (Press) Energy Editor, AOL, Huffington Post — Nuclear Writer, Huffington Post — Producer, CNN News
  • External Stakeholders (Digital Influencers) Blogger, Atomic Power Review — Blogger, Idaho Samizdat: Nuke Notes — Blogger, Yes Vermont Yankee
  • External Stakeholders (Nuclear Industry) [...] Senior Manager for Social — Media, Nuclear Energy Institute [...]
  • External Stakeholders (US Government and US Senate Staff) US-CERT Representative, United States Computer Emergency Readiness Team — Policy Director, US Senate ….

Excerpts from the evaluation:

  • As part of the press, I have to be able to quickly communicate a lot of technical information into something our readers will grasp. But it helps if NRC had strong info graphics or a section that provided a breakdown of technical info so I can understand the translation from its source. — Huffington Post
  • NRC‘s materials are very basic and not very viral. Other agencies do a better job of including information graphics, photos, even clickable links. There‘s no extra. It‘s not influential. — Managing Editor, Huffington Post
  • One producer from Cable News Network (CNN) suggested that what was currently offered on Flickr does not compel him to return and urged NRC to provide more content that did not involve people in a conference room or of the chairperson speaking from a podium.

Read the report here (pdf)

 

See also: Paper: CNN’s nuclear propaganda film “is dishonest to its core” — It’s “actually an infomercial”

Remember, the Nuclear Regulatory Commission is a pro-industry group which is largely funded by the nuclear companies. (This is true of all nuclear agencies).

The nuclear industry in Japan – and elsewhere – spends more on pr than on safety measures.  Indeed, nuclear power is a form of crony capitalism, where taxpayers fund a market which would not even exist in a free market.

The presstitute media once again shills for the powers-that-be.

 

Bonus: 

Federal Judge Strikes Down NSA’s Bulk Metadata Program: “I Cannot Imagine a More ‘Indiscriminate’ and ‘Arbitrary Invasion’ Than This Systematic and High-Tech Collection and Retention of Personal Data On Virtually Every Single Citizen”

 

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Tue, 12/17/2013 - 06:37 | 4253375 TNTARG
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"Fifty-one crew members of the USS Ronald Reagan say they are suffering from a variety of cancers as a direct result of their involvement in Operation Tomodachi, a U.S. rescue mission in Fukushima after the nuclear disaster in March 2011. The affected sailors are suing Tokyo Electric Power Company (TEPCO), alleging that the utility mishandled the crisis and did not adequately warn the crew of the risk of participating in the earthquake relief efforts."

[...]

"The number of plaintiffs in the case could grow significantly as 150 additional crew members are currently being medically screened to join."

http://enenews.com/gundersen-all-of-japan-is-contaminated-govt-covering-...

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 22:31 | 4252674 The Heart
Mon, 12/16/2013 - 22:21 | 4252650 The Heart
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"CNN and Huffington Post Are “External Stakeholders” In Nuclear Regulatory Commission"

And the rottentick bankster empire of dust OWNS THEM ALL!

If you cut the tail off the rattle snake, it will still bite and kill you.

Total channel change.

This just hit the wires GW.

Check it out!

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Mon, 12/16/2013 - 20:57 | 4252409 Radical Marijuana
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To summarize, with respect to every issue,

(with atomic power as the most significant)

THE CENTRAL SOCIAL MECHANISMS ARE

CONTROL BY LIES, BACKED BY VIOLENCE.

The success of that system of legalized lies, backed by legalized violence, being able to almost totally dominate civilization, so that those systems benefit those operating those systems, in positive feedback loops, has resulted that the fundamental feature of civilization has become:

UBIQUITOUS DELIBERATE IGNORANCE.

Those who gain private profits from promoting legalized lies, backed by legalized violence, have gained an almost overwhelming degree of dominance over the funding political processes, which have generated feedback loops where those who benefit from their established systems of lies, backed by violence, constantly become more wealthy, and more powerful, within that established system. HOWEVER, ALL OF THAT "SUCCESS" IS BASED ON MAINTAINING DELIBERATE IGNORANCE TOWARDS THE PROBLEMS.

The ways in which the runaway systems of privatized profits, but socialized losses, are accumulating the overall losses to the society as a whole, and the environment as a whole, are building and building. The socialized losses, and the destruction of the natural environment, are accumulating, while all the established systems are run by professional liars and immaculate hypocrites, whose jobs depend upon their maintaining the well-established attitudes of evil deliberate ignorance towards the bigger picture, with respect to almost everything that matters.

The way that atomic energy was developed is the leading spear point of all of the other social insanities that are related to that, because they all follow the same basic pattern. The mass media are paid to promote lies, and to deliberately ignore the truth about anything important. Nobody who has a job inside of those megacorporations would have been hired, or have been able to keep their job, unless they agreed to skillfully operate within the well-established social systems of lies, backed by violence, which requires an attitude of evil deliberate ignorance to be maintained towards any evidence and logical arguments which would challenge those established systems of legalized lies, backed by legalized violence, which are making those who own and control the mass media more wealthy and powerful, within those established social systems. Most of the alternative media necessarily have to operate within the same basic monetary systems, and so forth, and therefore, end up beholden to the same ways of observing the priorities required for success inside of those systems, namely respect for the established systems of lies and violence, along with deliberate ignorance of every other kind of information outside of those established systems.

The suicidal insanity of the way that atomic energy was developed is merely the most extreme real case, which is overall most clearly operating an utterly irrational cost/benefit analysis, which was based on the triumph of legalized lies, backed by legalized violence, being able to maintain evil deliberate ignorance towards its own reality. Tragically, everything else that I have ever studied has turned out to follow the same pattern. All of the social and environmental problems that I am aware of are growing worse, faster, at exponential rates, while the social responses to those problems are primarily ones of EVIL DELIBERATE IGNORANCE.

The way that atomic power was developed is the most salient symbol of the basic problem that society is controlled by dishonesty, backed by coercion, while the success of that process results in people who are successful within those systems becoming more and more deliberately ignorant. Meanwhile, as "the fish rots from the head down," the whole society becomes more and more insane, as the vast majority of people are conditioned to agree to also be deliberately ignorant, although most of them are so abysmally ignorant that they do not have enough clues about that to recognize how utterly clueless they really are.

The Neolithic style of civilization is a social pyramid system of social slavery, accomplished by a small minority specializing in deceit and destruction, in order to keep the large majority ignorant and afraid, so that they can be controlled and exploited. The postmodernizing world has become a more sophisticated system of social slavery, such as debt slavery, through the fundamental structure of the basic monetary and taxation systems. The postmodernizing world is basically about science and technology injecting powers which are trillions of times BIGGER than anything before in human history, into the social pyramid systems, which are based on legalized lies, backed by legalized violence, maintaining collective social systems of evil deliberate ignorance.

Therefore, atomic power is something like 10 billion times BIGGER than chemical power, and that has been developed in ways which were primarily due to being channeled through the established social pyramid systems, to become 10 billion times BETTER at being dishonest, and backing that up with violence, which has also required that social pyramid system to develop 10 billion times more EVIL DELIBERATE IGNORANCE. The social and environmental consequences of every other advance in science and technology that I have ever studied demonstrates the same path that follows after the development of atomic power.

NOTHING ABOUT THE BASIC PRINCIPLES OF THE SCIENTIFIC METHODS EVER GET PROPERLY APPLIED TO ANYTHING REGARDING HUMAN SYSTEMS, BECAUSE THE ACTUAL HUMAN SYSTEMS ARE MOSTLY BASED ON BACKING UP LIES WITH VIOLENCE, WHICH REQUIRES EVERYONE OPERATING WITHIN THOSE SYSTEMS TO MAINTAIN ATTITUDES OF EVIL DELIBERATE IGNORANCE TOWARDS EVIDENCE AND LOGICAL ARGUMENTS WHOSE INDICATED CONCLUSIONS THE ESTABLISHED SYSTEMS OF LIES BACKED BY VIOLENCE DO NOT LIKE.

The results of that social insanity are being demonstrated in the ways that atomic power was developed, but those results are the same everywhere else one looks, at any other way that advances in science end up actually being applied through technologies within the social pyramid systems. The results are extreme and growing contradictions, that progress in science and technologies, which are due to paying attention to evidence and logic, and being willing and able to change the way one thinks, has almost nothing whatsoever like that happening in the realms of politics, or anything else to do with human affairs, because when it comes to anything which should be related to human sciences, such as human ecology or political economy, the well-established social pyramid systems were made and maintained by lies, backed by violence, which required attitudes of evil deliberate ignorance.

Almost everyone is stuck inside of that runaway social insanity situation, where progress in science and technology primarily gets applied in dishonest ways, backed by violence, in the context of deliberate ignorance towards their overall consequences. Meanwhile, those doing that, who benefit from their systems of organized lies, delivering to them the benefits from that organized robbery, constantly become more wealthy and powerful, but only within that social context, while not in the context of anything more real that is actually happening to the social and environmental worlds as a whole.

The basic triumph of a fundamentally fraudulent financial accounting system is in a runaway feedback, in ways which are driving exponentially increasing forms of social insanities. That is how and why it was possible for atomic power to be developed in ways which are suicidal, if not omnicidal. Atomic power is being developed inside of social pyramid systems which were built on the ability to back up lies with violence, in order to control society, and that system requires that almost everyone living within it adapt to having attitudes of evil deliberate ignorance towards counter-indicating evidence and logical arguments.

The theoretical solutions would require the scientific methods breaking through to more wide-spread radical truth about human beings and human civilizations themselves. The theoretical solutions would require that respect for evidence and logical arguments, and being able and willing to go through paradigm shifts in perception, should emerge from the philosophy of science, to be applied to politics. Those theoretical ways to transform human society, in order to have a scientific society that respected itself, rather that still cruised on the autopilot of deliberate ignorance towards itself, appear to be the ONLY possible solutions to the consequences of the progress made in other sciences and technologies. However, in practice, there is almost nothing like that whatsoever happening. The ruling classes continue to be even more dishonest and violent, while those ruled continue to be even more afraid and ignorant, due to an overall runaway vicious feedback situation.

People like George Washington pump out a constant stream of excellent articles, BUT, as far as I can tell, that information is having practically negligible impact on the established social pyramid systems, which constantly entrench themselves deeper and deeper into their ruts of lies, backed by violence, and evil deliberate ignorance. Of course, that is the way to see Japan's new law to make it a crime to report about the truth surrounding the Fukushima events. The established systems are based on lies, backed by violence, which require almost everyone within those established systems to maintain evil deliberate ignorance. Therefore, it is not a surprise that the response of the Japanese government is to make it become a crime to not maintain the required attitude of evil deliberate ignorance.

Tue, 12/17/2013 - 03:13 | 4253223 DavidPierre
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RM:

You are a man on a mission.

Keep hammering away on your keyboard.

The Tylers of ZH should give you a spot as a Contributor.

Edit it down a bit.

Way to many slow readers/learners south of the 49th.

 

Tue, 12/17/2013 - 15:58 | 4254784 Radical Marijuana
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DavidPierre, I merely write what I happen to be thinking about ... Meanwhile, I believe my messages are too fringe for contribution as a feature on ZH. But nevertheless, I appreciate that they allow unmoderated posting of comments.

IF there was any practical point to presenting my messages, other than as a tool I use to develop my own ideas, then maybe editing those messages would be worthwhile. However, there does not seem to really be any such practical point to that. Therefore, I mostly write for my own amusement, as I gradually develop my own ideas, merely to try to understand what it really going on. HOWEVER, one of things that I believe is that whether or not I am relatively right is almost totally irrelevant to what is going to happen anyway.

Tue, 12/17/2013 - 03:06 | 4253215 Amagnonx
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Over a long period of time trying to distill the global problems to an essence that is easily communicated, and concisely accurate - I can define it now as MONOPOLY.

 

Monopolies are the root cause of basically all problems globaly, of these monopolies the following four are the most destructive, widespread and powerful;

 

Law and Enforcement

- The ability to interpret existing law by liscensing lawyers, and create law by lobbying legislatures.  This allows evil practices (such as counterfeiting of money) to become legally established, even though they are patently illegal by natural law.

 

'Money' and Legal Tender

- Banning the use of competeing currencies, or adding huge tax burdens on precious metals to prevent their use.  This allows the banksters to defraud on a global scale.

 

Land and Resources

- Exclusive use of real estate, minerals, oil and gas without compensating the population.  Land equally belongs to everyone, and if some people want to control a piece of it, then they need to compensate everyone else - especially for mineral wealth.  This ability to 'buy' land or minerals allows predators to steal the wealth of nations while leaving the host improverished.

 

Information

- Mass media, education systems, authorization of religions, scientific authority, patents - wherever the word authority appears you are dealing with a monopoly.  This allows monopolists to cover their tracks by keeping everyone ignorant of the nature of reality.  It also allows them to claim sole rights of use for information that is critical to human civilization, which is pertains to land and is therefore common property.  Energy giants have commonly bought out alternative energy patents and simply sat on them, and pharma giants have done the same with cheap effective medications.  Pharma also uses disinfo, and control of the FDA to convince people that herbs cannot heal.

 

Solutions:

 

All monopoly must be regarded as destructive, and simple methods created to defeat them in all cases need to be developed and implemented.

 

For law, a parallel system of human organization must be developed that eliminates concentration of power and authority.  Clans or groups of people with a finite limit (I think the largest number possible where everyone can know each other personally, perhaps 1,000 person limit) could be organized and be self managing within themselves, and cooperate within a very simple parallel agreed legal system.

 

For money, it is obvious that it only exists as a monopoly because it is protected by the legal monopoly - which needs to be destroyed.

 

For land and resources, it needs to be understood that all people are co-owners of the land.  That is every human being has an equal interest in the air, water, sunlight, mineral wealth, living things, and real estate itself - and these cannot be privately owned.  They can certainly be privately controlled, and it is necessary that real estate be privately controlled and that control be legally protected.  However, users of land need to pay the rest of society for the privilage of exclusive use - the payment would be a lease, based on the value of unimproved land.

 

Global mining companies could also be purchased (through investment and donations) with every human being given an equal share, which would return a dividend, and would give them a right to vote on how the corporation operates.  Such corporations would need to be started locally with a geographical issue of shares, they could then be integrated into a global system.  They could be funded by either donation or investment, where investors would recieve a fixed repayment on the investment (treated as an expense) and would be paid out - ie. nobody would ever hold more than one equal share.

Tue, 12/17/2013 - 15:53 | 4254769 Radical Marijuana
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Yes, I agree Amagnonx, MONOPOLIZATIONS interconnected through the key one, which is the attempt to monopolize violence by governments, are the worst runaway social symptoms.

However, I regard them too as ecological, with their own ecology. Nature allows specialization to drive itself into a dead end, and then be wiped out when environments change. As Darwin said, it is the ability to adapt that is the main longer term survival trait. Human intelligence ought to be general adaptive ability. However, the short-term triumphs of MONOPOLIZATIONS are enabled by their own feedbacks to runaway with creating their kinds of specializations, which nature will later destroy.

The reason why there was so much diversity found in nature is that was what worked over the longer term. Tragically, human beings appear like they are going to "learn" in the hardest possible ways, the moral parables, and ethical principles, which are present in evolutionary ecology.

The source of all morality is the conservation of energy. That is the prime driver of evolutionary ecology, and why different energy systems do what they do. The human systems now are maximizing their short-term benefits, due to their monopolizations, expressed in the forms of legalized lies, backed by legalized violence, aided and abetted by the similarly constructed public schools and mass media, to teach people pretty well the opposite of what they should be taught.

In that context, I regard your idealized "solutions" as extremely improbable, if not impossible. The main way that human beings are going actually adapt is by most of them being murdered, by the consequences of them having deliberately ignored their real problems for so long. I WISH that more people would "wake up" to the degree to which accepting and allowing legalized lies, backed up by legalized violence, are destroying their future. However, it is hard to "wake up" when there is a deliberate war against consciousness, carried out by the ruling classes, promoting their monopolies, while they are succeeding in staking out claims to own almost everything that can be owned, with which they can paid their enforcer to enforce their lies.

That is why I talk about monopolization heading towards the paradox of final failure from too much "success" from controlling society with lies, backed by violence, in which context most of the media are accomplices to that runaway tragedy.  One of the Buddhist insights was that ignorance was the source of suffering. I would add to that to assert that deliberate ignorance is the source of the greatest suffering. That is why the mass media, and much of the "alternative" media are extremely evil in the ways that they routinely lie by omission about the most important things. Clearly the mass media are a huge part of the MONOPOLIZATION PROBLEM!

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 23:47 | 4252901 Apply Force
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Nice comment.  So many can not see the forest for the trees, and basic principles are lost in the deliberate complexities and distractions of "society" that fosters the desired outcome for the machine - apathy and complacency of the masses.

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 19:32 | 4252207 Kina
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Huffington Post isn't alternate media....just an alternate shill for the status quo and feel good mouth piece for Obama and Krugman.

 

 

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 19:23 | 4252175 Poundsand
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Ok George, I saw an article today where the average range of an electric car is reduced by 70 miles in heavy winter conditions.  Where is the article with the accompanying graphic that shows you that while your Tesla doesn't go anywhere, you can stay warm standing near it as it burns?

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 20:49 | 4252390 Mareka
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Does that mean your Tesla classifies as an internal combustion vehicle?

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 18:38 | 4252044 Goldilocks
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1988 - GE - We Bring Good Things To Life
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHObWiM79OA (0:45)

1994 - Commercial - GE Profile Dishwasher with Smart Rack Design - We bring good things to life.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=md_6G_7cF1E (0:38)

BEAUTIFUL VINTAGE 80'S GE COMMERCIAL WE BRING GOOD THINGS TO LIGHT LIFE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5ZLbwvQ1Ec (0:30)

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 18:20 | 4251985 JohnFrodo
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Huffington Post is not what it seems to be

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 19:07 | 4252135 Uncle Remus
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It's worse?

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 17:52 | 4251882 BlowsAgainstthe...
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Dumb post - totally misses the mark of what the NRC is saying here.  It’s one thing to be against nuclear power.  It’s another to post a ridiculous claim with no basis in fact because author doesn't understand the topic.

 

 

Grade = Fail.

Tue, 12/17/2013 - 03:29 | 4253240 Amagnonx
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Chernobyl is an ongoing complete disaster, as is Fukushima.

 

At this point it doesnt matter how clean or cheap nuclear energy is when faced by the dangers - it is simply far too dangerous for us to be working with at this point, except for purposes of scientific knoweldge.

 

I would support this kind of reactor technology if it were placed very far from people, and used to advance our knowledge for another 100 years.  If we determined that we could then use it safely, then we might be ready for wider scale implementation.

 

However, there are far better, cheaper and safer alterntives to power generation then the current kind of nuclear reactor - and they are NOT being used for two reasons; firstly because they cannot be used to make nukes, secondly because many of the alternatives cause power generation to be so cheap and distributed that it would undermine the centralization of control.

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 18:35 | 4252035 Trampy
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Dumb post - totally misses the mark of what the NRC is saying here. It’s one thing to be against nuclear power. It’s another to post a ridiculous claim with no basis in fact because author doesn't understand the topic. Grade = Fail.

@BlowsAgainst, You're throwing pearls to swine here.  ZH may have started out OK, but it's degenerated into just one more propaganda mill for the mindless Durdenite sheeple who can express themselves only with a mouse-click on the red down-arrow, and are incapable of writing anything coherent.

Back six months ago when it started getting worse I thought that maybe the Tylers just don't have the time to read what they post, and all they really need is an editor.  But it's now painfully obvious that this place is just as stupid and alarmist as Alex Jones and Gordon Duff's paranoid delusional nonsense propaganda.

You, Sir or Madam, are the kind of person I've been hoping would email me using the PGP key posted under my Bio.  I've spent an entire career working in nuclear safety, and would welcome the opportunity to discuss whether that term is always an oxymoron with someone such as yourself who is capable of reading and spotting this as just one more sadly ubiquitous bullshit article. 

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 22:56 | 4252740 TNTARG
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So you failed badly. No nuclear safety reached. I believe Einstein has a little more credibility than you.

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 19:06 | 4252122 BlowsAgainstthe...
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I've never used PGP before but am not averse to doing so.  Is there a link(s) that explain what I need to do on my end?

Yes, it is a shame about “George Washington.”  I agree with much of what he writes.  But if he gets the facts so badly wrong here, then what else is he getting wrong?  The bias is just so apparent on this one.  Where else is it oozing in?

 

And the short answer - nuclear safety is most certainly not an oxymoron.  It is, however, challenging to attain and maintain.  Nuclear power is an exceptionally good way to make electricity, provided nuclear safety is made paramount.     

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 19:52 | 4252255 logicalman
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We have a nice handy fusion reactor at a safe distance.

The earth recieives enough energy in a day from the sun to run the whole show.

All we need is the will to use it and enough research money.

Problem is it would be in the hands of the people, not the .1% greedy, controlling fucks, and that's why it hasn't happened.

The other issue is how much energy is used for no good reason - driving to MalWart for example to buy crap people don't need that's made from oil.

Anyway, it won't matter in a couple of hundred years.

The human race is fucked - probably a good thing, based on most of the examples I run across in my daily life.

The nukes we have are all the result of the desire to make bombs - anyone able to justify that as a good idea?

 

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 19:33 | 4252212 BlowsAgainstthe...
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Your contention, like this article, is incorrect.  

 

Nuclear power production costs were for many years, and until recently, comparable with those of other large-scale generation sources (and most small-scale sources as well).  And all the while, indicators of nuclear safety performance were stable to improving.  The problem now, from the industry's perspective, is fracking.  ZIRP and QE have lowered capital costs and financing for fracking operations, resulting in a glut of natural gas and low prices for gas-fired generation.  Prices that, at the margin, set electricity market prices.  We’ll see how long this can be sustained and how many of these wells (and potential new ones) will become uneconomical at higher interest rates.  And I’ll submit that the risks posed by fracking outweigh those associated with nuclear (for more reasons than I can type here).  The main reason, however, is the very different regulatory regimes.

 

 

By the way, you really need to research and understand the material which generated your post.  Really, its just embarrassing how badly wrong you are here and how foolish you look.  Your credibility is taking a real hit.

Tue, 12/17/2013 - 03:38 | 4253254 Amagnonx
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Yes, fracking is extremely hazardous and should be halted - current nuclear reactors are also extremely dangerous and we should be eliminating them.

 

Of course, the loss of these sources of energy would have a massive impact on our society - we would need to alter the way we live in profound ways, I think however that the pain of those changes is going to be far less in magnitude and in duration than the pain that is currently coming events like Chernobyl and Fukushima.

 

Fukushima is not over, it is not going to be over for many, many generations - it has hardly even started - I think you wildly under estimate the risks of nuclear power.

 

The idea that powerful special interests are NOT skewing information in their favor using the media is simply niave.

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 20:44 | 4252379 tricky rick
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I NEVER never respond - but BLOWS tops the list of some of the more assinine comments - can't resist.

Blows...  tell me all about the ROI and the cost savings of NUKE power as those atomic particles are firing off their radiation decays inside our bodies  -  with half lifes longer than the time you and I (but probably not our grandchildren) have left.  Calculate the lowered capital costs and weigh the dividends as our bodies valiantly try to repair and rebuild from the molecular destruction that can not be seen, heard, felt (until), smelt or tasted.  Tell your progeny it was a good idea at the time...that odds were on our side...

Can't happen?  Sorry, you meant probably won't happen?

That's a bluff I'll call you on.... it's spelled FUKUSHIMA

 

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 21:27 | 4252478 BlowsAgainstthe...
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How many people have died from the alternatives?  Pick a number.  They're all way more than nuclear.  By several orders of magnitude.

http://lae.mit.edu/?p=2821

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=82087&eocn=home&eoci=iotd_title

http://www.noaawatch.gov/themes/air_quality.php

http://www.lung.org/assets/documents/healthy-air/coal-fired-plant-hazards.pdf

http://www.damsafety.org/media/Documents/Security/DamsSectorConsequenceEstimation-LossofLife.pdf

And BTW . . .

"Former ORNL researchers J. P. McBride, R. E. Moore, J. P. Witherspoon, and R. E. Blanco made this point in their article "Radiological Impact of Airborne Effluents of Coal and Nuclear Plants" in the December 8, 1978, issue of Science magazine. They concluded that Americans living near coal-fired power plants are exposed to higher radiation doses than those living near nuclear power plants that meet government regulations. This ironic situation remains true today and is addressed in this article."

http://web.ornl.gov/info/ornlreview/rev26-34/text/colmain.html

 

Try to rein in your hysteria.

Tue, 12/17/2013 - 01:56 | 4253054 Tall Tom
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Enjoy your slow suffocation and your children's death. It is NOT the Radiation from Fukushima that will directly kill you.

 

But Fukushima will KILL YOU, AND YOUR CHILDREN, by slow suffocation.

 

It is KILLING the OCEAN. It is KILLING OFF THE PLANKTON that are brought into close proximity to Fukushima by the Conveyor Belt of the North Pacific Ocean Current. It is the Plankton from where the OXYGEN in the air which you breathe originates.

 

It is killing off the Plankton.

 

There is PHYSICAL EVIDENCE that the Ocean Waters are being depleted of Oxygen. The ACID WATERS of the Northwestern Pacific is EVIDENTIAL. The Sea Stars are DYING because of the Acidification.

 

Of course you probably have not ever taken a single course in University Chemistry. (If you have then you are DUPLICITOUS or lack the ability to APPLY that which you learned.)

 

You are just like the rest of the Science Illiterates that populate America. So you are clueless when it comes down to discussing Acid Base Reactions in Solution. Acid waters are Oxygen Depleted Waters. Ocean Waters become Oxygen Depleted with the ABSCENCE of Aquatic Plant life...PLANKTON.

 

Of course little to no Oxygen TRANSPIRES into the Atmosphere from Oxygen Depleted Waters.

 

You are CLUELESS about consequences and there is NO SAFE PLACE on the Planet as the Oxygen Depletion of the Atmosphere will be GLOBAL. You fail to think in depth. Your SHALLOWNESS of thought is remarkable. It will be the Death of us all.

 

I have no kids. So I really do not give a fuck. I have no skin in the Game but my own ass.

 

But I enjoy a good laugh at the expense of people as yourself. I am laughing at the fact that YOUR children are going to be DYING. If that is not PERSONAL ENOUGH...FUCK YOU.

 

Have fun DYING. Your Hell, here, and in the afterlife is going to be so very well deserved.

 

Oh...I am CRAZY??? You are totally CORRECT. I am a MAD SCIENTIST. I am one of the most dangerous people that you may ever encounter.

Tue, 12/17/2013 - 15:41 | 4254723 Radical Marijuana
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Unfortunately, Tall Tom, each injury to the oceans adds on top of the previous ones. The destruction of oceanic ecologies began with decimating the top carnivore populations. Like hunting whales almost to extinction, in order that people could have whale oil lamps!

The oceanic ecologies are quite a bit different than the land based ones. They appear to be more vulnerable, and have been more destroyed. By itself, Fukushima could be coped with. However, on top of everything else, it adds to overwhelming those systems, with catastrophic degradation.

As you point out, Tall Tom, it is the basic chemistry that piles up, and piles up, and piles up its consequences! The same on the land, as many different kinds of chemical pollutions end up bouncing around until they form ozone. Therefore, it is never one thing by itself, but everything adding on, and on and on top of everything else!

Meanwhile, as my comment below bemoaned, the general response is deliberate ignorance. For sure, the mass media NEVER mention that perspective, but rather, the stock in trade of the mass media is lying by omission. The plants in the sea are what provide us with most of our surplus oxygen, since the forests tend to recycle most of their own themselves, while the plants in the sea die when then sink. The destruction of the oceanic ecologies will have way more impact on land than most people realize!

Tue, 12/17/2013 - 00:12 | 4252955 TNTARG
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Of course, they don't die of radiation; they die of cancer, leukemia, etc.- Radiation just fucks up with the living beings' cells. Just one track of a single alpha particle can fuck a cell. That's radiation basics.

However, I've heard of some cochraches that can survive radiation.

Tue, 12/17/2013 - 05:11 | 4253315 Bearwagon
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Don't expect to much of it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deinococcus_radiodurans
(admittedly not a cockroach)

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 23:12 | 4252802 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Here's one for you, Sparky.

In a worst case scenario, how many square miles of land and water will be rendered uninhabitable/unusable for centuries by a disaster at a coal power plant?

In a worst case scenario, how many square miles of land and water will be rendered uninhabitable/unusable for centuries by a disaster at a nuclear power plant?

Try to rein in your cheerleading.

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 20:36 | 4252363 TheFourthStooge-ing
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.

Nuclear power production costs were for many years, and until recently, comparable with those of other large-scale generation sources (and most small-scale sources as well).

Funny how those don't include decommissioning costs when the plant reaches, and in many cases exceeds, the end of its design life.

Also, any news on the "WTF do we do with the spent fuel" problem? Fifty years ago the answer was "they will figure something out in the future, so we will just store it on site temporarily". Fifty years later and what? Just dump it in the Pacific?

Really, it's just embarrassing how badly wrong you are here and how foolish you look. Your credibility is taking a real shit.

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 21:02 | 4252422 BlowsAgainstthe...
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Decommissioning costs are included in operating costs . . .

http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/Economic-Aspects/Economics-of-Nuclear-Power/

The NRC and State PUC regulators periodically verify adequate funding.  And, in fact, the funding has been there for every site decommissioned to date – e.g., Maine Yankee, Connecticut Yankee, Trojan, etc.

 

The absence of a permanent spent fuel repository represents a failure of political leadership/willpower.  The technology to design and operate one has existed for years.

Tue, 12/17/2013 - 04:50 | 4253302 Bearwagon
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You wrote: "The technology to design and operate a permanent spent fuel repository has existed for years." Well, that's not exactly right, as it only exists in theory. And that could turn out to be difficult to realize. Think of the moon landing as an example. The theoretical knowledge existed as early as 1923 (Hermann Oberth; "Die Rakete zu den Planetenräumen"), long before even the A-4 was launched the first time. And guess what - it took more than 40 years, the efforts of more than half a million people and billions of dollars to finally built that machine, called Saturn V, which was able to really fulfill what sounded oh-so-easy in the theory. And that is quite an analogy to the technic you mention as "existing for years". Where does it exist outside of a paper?! 

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 20:47 | 4252385 monoloco
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The cost also doesn't take into account the fact that the industry is endemnified by the taxpayer in the event of a Fukushima type event.

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 19:55 | 4252267 logicalman
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I think you may have had a few blows against your head.

Rambling on about capital costs rather than human costs seems somehow dumb, to me.

 

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 17:06 | 4251712 bh2
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I worry a lot less about nuke facilities than the "regulatory" agencies supposedly set up to guard-dog them.

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 16:57 | 4251673 verum quod lies
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The money line(s): "The archaic nuclear reactor design used at Fukushima and in most reactors in the United States and throughout the world was chosen solely because it helps to make nuclear bombs. Our health has been sacrificed – and the dangers of radiation covered up – for 68 years … for the sake of nuclear weapons."

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 16:56 | 4251669 Toolshed
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What is truly amazing about this article is that the huffnpuff post site still exists. Who would waste their time reading that drivel?

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 20:48 | 4252394 monoloco
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It's now owned by AOL. I tried to comment their recently and was told that the only way to comment now is through Facebook. No thank you!

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 17:11 | 4251723 logicalman
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You have to read the MSM so you know what they want you to think.

You must then go out and find out, to the best of your abilities, what's actually going on.

Only then will you see the lies being told.

Tue, 12/17/2013 - 04:14 | 4252102 A Nanny Moose
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Reading something to know what's in it? Novel concept. Dawt gov should try it.

 

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 17:09 | 4251721 quasimodo
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You either forgot the /sarc tag or fail to realize just how many idiots actually subscribe to all that this worthless rag stands for. If it was easier to post over there I would just for the sake of pissing some of those assholes off. 

99% of the users that post on huffpo love barry really long time.

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 16:56 | 4251657 11b40
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This terror was unleashed on the wrold in 1945.

Now, a mere 68 years later, we may have already sown the seeds of humanity's destruction with the meltdown of Fukushima.

That didn't take long, did it?

Mon, 12/16/2013 - 17:26 | 4251790 Ying-Yang
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Everybody likes a little nookie. /s

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