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Is the U.S. Government Changing the Amount In People’s Financial Accounts with Its Offensive Cyber Capabilities?

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Background:

Hidden in the report which the White House panel on NSA released today is a stunning implication:  that the U.S. government has been using its massive offensive cyber capabilities to change the amounts held in financial accounts and otherwise manipulating financial systems.

Specifically, the panel’s report states (page 221):

(1) Governments should not use surveillance to steal industry secrets to advantage their domestic industry;

 

(2) Governments should not use their offensive cyber capabilities to change the amounts held in financial accounts or otherwise manipulate the financial systems ….

The government certainly massively manipulates the economy and financial system.

There are already numerous examples of offensive cyber actions by the NSA:

As spying expert Trevor Timm from the Electronic Frontier Foundation Tweeted  (and Glenn Greenwald – who has seen the Snowden documents – re-tweeted):

Does this NSA report recommendation imply that NSA is conducting offensive cyber attacks against financial systems?

Remember, the NSA is tapping into and spying on the biggest financial payments systems such as VISA and Swift.

Top financial experts say that the NSA and other intelligence agencies are using information gained from spying to profit from this inside information. And the NSA wants to ramp up its spying on Wall Street … to “protect” it.

Whose money, exactly, is the NSA “protecting” … and how are they protecting it?

What about the money of people that the U.S. government considers undesirables?

 


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Fri, 12/20/2013 - 09:09 | Link to Comment AreaMan
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The FBI holds the largest Bitcoin wallet. Well im sure thats one last bastion of fre.... and its gone.

Fri, 12/20/2013 - 06:52 | Link to Comment MSimon
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ACA is already double billing. The gubberMint needs your money.

Fri, 12/20/2013 - 03:02 | Link to Comment The Heart
Fri, 12/20/2013 - 02:38 | Link to Comment rp1
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We have a big problem in the United States and it has to be fixed.

Fri, 12/20/2013 - 01:33 | Link to Comment q99x2
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The banking cartel that has taken over Washington D.C. needs to be brought to justice.

Fri, 12/20/2013 - 01:55 | Link to Comment The Heart
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"The banking cartel that has taken over Washington D.C. needs to be brought to justice."

Roger that Q.

People are getting really angry that these commies are doing all these gun false flag incidents in Colorado to further the gun control agenda there. The babylonians involved are trying to get back at Colorado, BECAUSE THEY KICKED TWO COMMIE POLITICKERS OUT OF OFFICE AND MADE ONE QUIT. More are on the chopping block if they ever make it to the next election. Most do not think that will ever happen, being supplanted by martial law and the crashed chaotic socialist fascist communist take over.

Just when you thought it was safe to go outside into the theater of false flagology...take a look at this viral video that has been taken down twice.:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufFheazkbi0#t=282

 

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 21:41 | Link to Comment dexter_morgan
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Shocking.......well, not really. No wonder Snowden has a price on his head.....anyone heard from him lately?

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 21:29 | Link to Comment Duc888
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"What strikes me as odd is all this talk about Bitcoin as being unique because it's an electronic currency. In reality, the U.S. Dollar is an electronic currency. Money is deposited in your bank account electronically already. The banks rarely have actual physical dollars on hand." 

 

Not only that but if you were to go down and pay your state income tax with greenbacks, that money never leaves the building intact.  It becomes confetti.  It's shredded on site and numbers are entered into a ledger right there...

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 14:07 | Link to Comment dot_bust
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What strikes me as odd is all this talk about Bitcoin as being unique because it's an electronic currency. In reality, the U.S. Dollar is an electronic currency. Money is deposited in your bank account electronically already. The banks rarely have actual physical dollars on hand.

Bitcoin is simply an elaborate form of misdirection. It diverts attention away from the fact that the Federal Reserve creates new money electronically for quantitative easing. In fact, Bitcoin has the effect of making quantitative easing seem like a normal and acceptable practice. In that sense, we're being propagandized on an entirely new level.

 

 

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 15:35 | Link to Comment Evil Peanut
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They are welcome to hack my account and suffix the existing balance with 7 zeros

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 13:39 | Link to Comment mick_richfield
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If some people can create money, then of course the entire power structure ends up working for them.

The NSA, the cops, the congress, the DOD -- all of it.

If you destroy the NSA tonight, another one will start re-growing tomorrow.

As long as some people can create money.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 12:31 | Link to Comment novictim
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Who has written a complaint or editorial about the telecom giants handing over the private data of their customers without so much as a "Can I see the Warrant"?  

 

These corporations did not lift a finger or spend a dime to challenge the NSA violations of 4th Amendment protections.

 

Where is the focus on these companies who are now spending millions to pretend to have always been opposed to the NSA programs?

OK.  Who owns the US Government?  FOLLOW THE MONEY.

Lobbyists for the top corporate campaign contributors direct EVERYTHING our government is up to...with only -slight- resistance from left wing, feckless "real servants of the people" like Bernie Sanders and Elizabieth Warren...

In other words, the top 0.01% are behind this NSA intrusion into our civil liberties.

 

ATT, VERIZON, AOL, COMCAST, KOCH INDUSTRIES, US CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, GE, BOEING, GOLDMAN SACHS, CITI BANK, CHASE...etc, etc

These entities get our politicians elected and set the agenda.  The blame lies with them.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 20:17 | Link to Comment sgt_doom
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While I agree overall with your comments and sentiments, please don't be offended when I humbly (and hopefully tactfully) suggest that your aim is a bit scattered.

We must identify the owners of said corporations, the super-rich, the senior capital pool owners, per se.

AT&T is historically a Rockefeller majority owned company, and there is nothing to indicate that has changed (although financed originally by Morgan and Vanderbilt, it was swapped for some other properties with the Rockefeller family).

JPMorgan Chase is a Rockefeller bank (the majority members of the board of Chase become the majority members of the board at JPMorgan Chase when JP Morgan and Chase merged).

Apple and Intel were majority owned by the Rockefeller family originally, and there is nothing I have seen to indicate anything has changed, financially speaking.

ExxonMobil is a Rockefeller corporation.

Citigroup was originally Rockefeller majority-owned enterprise.

Although Boeing wasn't a Rockefeller company, McDonell-Douglas was majority Rockefeller owned, and when the stock swap occurred when the two aerospace companies merged, the Rockefeller family owned a large chunk of Boeing.

The families Rockefeller, Morgan (and Schilling), Mellon, du Pont, Harrian (and Mortimer), Johnson, Guggenheim, Koch, etc., etc., etc., still appear to be the richest families in America today, they simply and cleverly first moved their super-wealth and ownership to foundations and trusts to better hide it, guard it, and avoid taxation, then later further moved it to offshore finance centers, offshore foundations and unregistered trusts!

We must first identify the super-rich, to understand who the real enemy is!

Fri, 12/20/2013 - 00:56 | Link to Comment TradingTroll
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Guggenheim, for example, never paid for the pollution caused by Asarco. I lived in an area affected by the old plume of the Tacoma, WA Asarco plant. All soil was contaminated. Topsoil had to be brought in for housing, parks and schools. Tha taxpayers paid so Guggenheim could keep her damned art.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 14:44 | Link to Comment janus
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not to patronize, but have you any idea the pecidillos and peculiar tastes common among the chair-holders at these and all such corps of massive import?  

guys, this is the whole eye looking straight in.  the beauty is, these CEOs and such do feel shame; otherwise they wouldn't be so black-mailable...and my suspicion is that they, too, despise the all-seeing-eyes. if you could possibly fathom (and, really, it's better left unfathomed...ick!) the kinds of secret lives those with means sufficent to securely go about the devilish deeds behind the veil and under the protection of well-greased palms...well, the nsa has -- and they have it on file.

it does boggle the mind a bit when people puzzle over this enigma and its solution...you just defund the thing.  agents aren't there just for shits and giggles.  plus, that power-bill in utah is mighty-pricey.

speaking of pricey, kennedy paid a price for suggesting as much...but that was back in the light-hearted days of mind-control testing and small-scale genocide...ahhh, america, how we've grown.  ZHealots, this is the whole enchilada...nobody's gonna say boo, no big corp is gonna on our behalf stand up and sue...

the NSA has become the wicked yet indulgent master hated of its minions...that's why we're having this discussion to begin with.  i've noted with interest the lack of any mention viz. another 3 lettered agency.  

but, hell, one thing at a time, right?  

then again, incrementalism is not the mode of revolution.

merry xmass from janus to the iron and clay over maryland-way:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QlBTOAqHhk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqDWVErme40

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoPevTpoiYo&list=ALBTKoXRg38BCH0Pr92-6hOmMdPItNyt08

you think not tellin is the same as not lyin/

don't you?/

...that is there is a lie/

then there is a lie or two/

that there is a sin/

then there is a sin or two/

...can't you hear me/

can't you hear me callin your name, girl,

janus

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 14:00 | Link to Comment TheReplacement
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Indeed, follow the money.  All those companies get financing from... banks.  The NSA can see and hack anything/everything.  Who actually controls whom?  I suggest there is a round robin power struggle between the corporate tyrants, political tyrants, mil-ind complex tyrants, and the banking tyrants.

That's a lot of tyrants.  Bullish rope.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 20:20 | Link to Comment sgt_doom
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It was often and correctly said, before the CIA (actually the CIA within the CIA, or the control element) reported to the president, they reported to David Rockefeller.

The Wall Streeters, on behalf of their money lords, created the American intelligence establishment during and after World War II.

They (Dulles, Lovett, Wisner, et al.) would bounce back and forth between Wall Street and the intelligence directorates, but today it has been so privatized that such is now seamless.

 

Fri, 12/20/2013 - 03:10 | Link to Comment the0ther
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My understanding is that the CIA was left leaning, with many Ivy Leaguers. Lots of religious zealots be they Unitarian, Quaker, Calvinist, and Puritan. 

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 13:30 | Link to Comment Arthur
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That is the beauty of the law that Google and others are bitching about.

The requests are made in secret and objections are dealt with inside the FISA courts.

Kafka would be proud.

 

 

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 12:32 | Link to Comment hedgeless_horseman
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Duh.  It's called fascism, and we are soaking in it.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 12:17 | Link to Comment Arthur
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Okay how many readers wouldn't be tempted to front run the market on information obtained through the NSA?

If nothing else what an easy way to raise funds for off the books operations.

Why not boost your retirement fund?

Just set search parameters M&A departments at larger law and accounting firms and listed companies.  Boom your golden more times then not.  Even if nothing goes through,  targeted companies rise.

How about getting your hands on an Accenture or Booz report for a company,  keys to a kingdom.

 

 

 

 

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 12:37 | Link to Comment hedgeless_horseman
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I am 100% certain that those who can go directly to The Source...

 

Fri, 09/03/2010 - 11:41 | Link to Comment hedgeless_horseman

 

Fundamental analysis? Earnings? Technical analysis? Charts? We don't
have a prayer when Ben has his finger on the button under the table.

You can take the ghosts of Graham, Dodd, Edwards, and McGee, as well as every CFA on the planet to manage a portfolio. I'll take one insider at 33 Liberty and my performance will wipe the men's room floor with your's.

Love your spirit, kid. Now get back to class.

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/ecri-declines-again-pass-below-double-dip-10-threshold-again#comment-562073

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 11:18 | Link to Comment Elliptico
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Remember the USG infiltrated Occupy Walll Street, and shared the intelligence with Wall Street firms and other industries.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 11:19 | Link to Comment Son of Captain Nemo
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Nothing more than window dressing just like the markets on the bad news coming out of Cisco, Microsoft, AT&T, Verizon and Google on the amount of international business going out the door. 

NASDAQ better readjust the algos for trading moving forward cause after Mr. Ed life and business just got a whole lot tougher. No wonder they want him dead!

The BRICS are determined to develop there own backbone(s) and NSA & Co. are shitting massive bricks!

The "Cloud" is Dead.  Long Live the Cloud!

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 11:36 | Link to Comment Son of Captain Nemo
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The "I" in BRIC on another topic of civil liberties violation while living in the greatest bastion of freedom on the planet.

Mr. Obama might want to write a letter of apology over this one for all the good it will do with everything else he's done the last five years.

http://news.yahoo.com/ny-us-attorney-indian-diplomat-treated-very-well-013245585.html

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 11:05 | Link to Comment The Wedge
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Assume that the NSA go's much further than we realize. There's not much to prevent them and they will clearly lie. My blood boils when I hear media call it "phone tapping" or meta data collecting. It is done to mislead the public. Of course they are collecting everything, everywhere. Consider the size and amount of data centers spread across the world. Of course they will lie about it. NSA is under the executive branch, at least I think that is the case, so of course it will be used in every way possible considering there is nothing to stop them.

And this "White house Panel" investigating itself. This is the equivalent of Barry et al dangling his berries in your face.

There is only one way to stop this and that's to turn the switch off. They'll keep giving us the run around, stalling, misdirection and I'll stop, this time I mean it. Within 20 years people wont even remember what privacy was like or care. They are normalizing this and it's working flawlessly so far. Oh, sure many of us are upset by this and understand the implications but the masses just don't care. Good bye privacy, hello all seeing eye.

2+2=4...again 2+2=4...again 2+2=4... again 2+2=5...again 2+2=5...2+2=5, 2+2=5...

In other news...Duck Dynasty star pisses off so and so and Honey Boo Boo Bieber have a love child. Next up, FOOTBALL, FOOTBALL, FOOTBALL. Everything football everything players think on and off the field followed by PORN. Back to you Dianne.

Fri, 12/20/2013 - 00:00 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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give them a wedge

have to agree

they were going to do this the minute they could

pulling the plug is the only guarantee

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 12:37 | Link to Comment novictim
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Nice post.

Yes, "Switch it off".  

The NSA ---- and the companies that have colluded with them ---- are now our greatest threat to liberty and freedom.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 14:21 | Link to Comment The Wedge
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I was cryptic about that statement for sure. Unfortunately the only way to turn the switch off would be say, if the sun decided to throw up on planet earth and fry every micro processor in the northern hemisphere. Or an e m p. Of course this would bring great destruction and loss of life. Quite frankly, the grid is too embedded into the daily life of almost everyone in the northern hemisphere. Sorta like cancer, the cure in some cases is worse than the disease. I have gamed a massive e m p event, natural or man caused and I did not like my conclusions.

A political solution would mean a very public dismantling of all data facilities including commercial enterprise like g o o g l e...well, it would mean retooling the entire internet. And they will not let go of this perfectly diabolical tool easily. Or, and I have just recently discovered this, some are kicking around the idea of a new internet 2.0. I think this is by far the most reasonable solution but would have to have safe guards in place to prevent governments from controlling major info hubs. But the spy grid would likely just be rebuilt in that scenario.

Considering the trans-humanist movement mixed with AI and bio technologies (Human DNA mapping and programming), the future could be fantastic. But given the world wide movement to authoritarian governance with total info awareness, I often wonder who that technology will benefit. It's quite the pickle we find ourselves in and most people don't even recognize it.

 

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 10:46 | Link to Comment Dewey Cheatum Howe
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Anyone not see the value of what bitcoin is bringing to the table now concerning the idea of decentralized distributed transaction ledger including wallets aka checking/savings accounts that can't be manipulated by outside forces directly when properly secured...........

Is anyone not seeing the what this means for payment and transaction systems in general and how it makes this sort of shit that much harder to do.

Thank You NSA you just legitimized crypto-currencies and the technologies behind them to a bigger audience with your actions.

 

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 11:19 | Link to Comment Stoploss
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The existence of the NSA ensures and guarantee's at some point, in the not too distant future, BTC will win the battle.

NSA is in about every third sentence or so when speaking with the genpop. (Those with operating brains that is.)

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 12:39 | Link to Comment hedgeless_horseman
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The existence of the NSA ensures and guarantee's at some point, in the not too distant future, BTC will win the battle.

I would argue the exact opposite.

The existence of the NSA ensures and guarantee's at some point, in the not too distant future, tangible items that cannot be created or destroyed with a keystroke will win the battle.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 13:23 | Link to Comment Dewey Cheatum Howe
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You miss the bigger point from a commerce standpoint doing business outside your local area digital is going to be the primary medium to faciliate commerce as far as placing orders and such. You need a payment system aka transactional ledger to keep track of that. Crypto-currency is just a medium used in the system that is considered fungible with cash to keep track of who owes what for what. The banks and now the NSA are undermining that very basic economic process with their shenanigans. The market doesn't care who issues the fungible digital equivalent as long as the payment system is can be trusted. I think the market has already spoken loud and clear on that much. To function on a larger than local scale it really needs to be done digitally to deal with scope and complexity of the whole system. The math is proven that it can be distributed and scaled up which means no one entity can control the whole ledger and once you have it distributed as a protocol throughout the whole backbone it can't be shut down without taking out the whole internet. That is counterproductive to do for everyone including the governments.

Distributed transactional ledger wins and bye bye VISA and SWIFT system for commerce because it is in the net best interests of all businesses doing transactions outside their local areas. The crypto-currencies as far as who and how they get issued is completely seperate from this but the same basic fact they are fungible cash equivalents as long Nation States issue money and they are pegged and convertable to said monies doesn't change. Right now the ledger is only representative for the transactions of a particular crypto-currency. At some point to have a diverse transactional ledger you need one that is independent of any crypto-currency and the best way to keep it open and resistant from businesses taking it over then being perverted like SWIFT and other systems like VISA is to do it in this manner. Same holds true for searching in general google and technologies behind it can easily be built into backbone also for universal search of whole network with the cached M x N matrix of links ordered in sequential form distributed throughout the whole backbone of the internet itself as a protocol like tcp-ip. The parallel nature of having all the machines working on pieces of the matrix works now and is proven technology. This is just scaling it up and building it into new protocols for the internet which needs to be done anyways. The protocols are outdated and no longer reflect that the internet is a distribution network not strictly a communication one.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 15:08 | Link to Comment janus
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he's got some great points, hedgeless...

in the end, it all depends on whether we go the way of communities or global interconnectedness.

i'm for some synthesis of the two (with a bias to the community...a 'true' community, what gets to make its own rules and decide on who does and does not get to participate); and i don't think the two are mutually exclusive...so i'm in favor of both arguments, with maybe a slight instinctive bias to gold (ie communities) -- cause it's so purdy, and i like people.

even so, on a philosophical level, digital currencies are the greatest weapon against tyrrany ever devised by man in his own defense.  its acceptance and basic comprehension among the masses has been nothing short of miraculous.

this fact alone (the understanding of what digital currencies represent) has gone a long way in restoring my hope for any viable form of democracy.  as stupid as the people can most often be, when it comes to money, they seem to get it deep down in the gut.  and that, ZHealots, is Truly for their own Good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFZP8zQ5kzk

janus

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 16:02 | Link to Comment hedgeless_horseman
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...on a philosophical level, digital currencies are the greatest weapon against tyrrany ever devised by man in his own defense.

No, that would be the rifle. 

The greatest weapons against man ever devised by tyrrany are:

  1. public education,
  2. mass media,
  3. fiat currency, and
  4. government entitlements.
Fri, 12/20/2013 - 00:09 | Link to Comment janus
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hedgeless,

assuming this gets to you (and, by unofficial rule of accepted ZH policy, 25 hours is -- seemingly -- an accepted span), consider this my reply...cause that's whati it is.

wanna know why i've taken to you?  well, you take things seriously.  janus respects that.  more than that; you get in the pit, take mud, and toss back stone.  janus admires bold-stone.

let me tell you of my love affair with the rifle (such that bonding may proceed)...and not just any rifle -- the mythical .270.  ever heard the phrase hand-in-glove?...well, forget you heard it.  my relationship with that gun goes well past all that.  it's more a matter of made in heaven or something far more sublime.  i can put down just about anything with anything bored in a civilized nation; but, in all humility, i could peck out an acorn husk off'a chipmunks chin from 300 yds with the ole .270.  best rifle evah.  don't even start.  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S324FLf0aPw&list=PLEBCC3D82CAD83269

and, indeed, there's something about cold-crisp-winter air that steady's a shot. lemme tells ya, hedgeless, janus can plant a shot -- hundreds of yards -- where it belongs.  the kinda kill-shot that makes old men smile with that rare twinkle in their smirk.  yup.  i'm that fuckin good with a gun.  pistol, too.

but i hate somethin bout em, likewise.

i'm far more pro...but -- these are instruments of death.  always reckon that in your figurin.  mankind is a special species.  each and every individuated one of em.  children of men; Children of God...it's difficult to discern on the small end of a scope. i've never met you; but i'm certain you were raised right.  always recognize that that rifle has done just as much evil as it has good.  america is a peculiar excepetion...though i pray it extends to the furtherest reaches of this often-times grim globe of ours.  and, as far as the limited amendments we have recourse to, yes, the second is the most important.

public education: on balance, i agree.  it's become a utensil in the hands of 'conditioners' and 'nudgers'...goddam them.  your argument gets contorted when it's reductive and buttressed on both ends by postured phrases.  but, and this may be a small thing to you, teaching each and every participant in society how to read; how to manage figures; elemental sentence structure...these are all good things.  but in your defense, yup, edumucation has been hijacked by communists and nihilists.  believe it or not, i hate them more than you.

fiat currencies...i got to that; and i'll get back to it in a bit.

mass media: it isn't so much a question whether it, in and of itself, is a bad thing; it's more a matter of its regulation and manipulation.  every society (and no matter how micro or macro you wanna get on this, it still applies) requires a shared experience.  we draw from it and build on it in so many ways.  but i could fill tomes on this issue; so i'll skip on.

entitlements: again, a matter of principal blended with contra temps.  my friend, the 'community', the 3 generation 'family', no longer exists...hard rains do indeed fall.  we invest always in one another.  we are building something (let us pray that it is Good); and we do it arm in arm.  all the same, i am likewise averse to institutional welfare; and am furthermore opposed to indolence and laggardly worthlessness.  but, hedgeless, please beware of confidence that it will never happen to you; lest it befall.

back again to digital currencies.  they have a place (alongside other things); they represent a will among the vanguard; i respect and honor it.

if it is of nothing, it will pass.  if it of substance, it will remain.

something's going on in the world, hedgeless (btw, love the name; obvious you put some thought in); these spontaneous and emergent things have a way of changing things for the better.  best take a watch and see.  for the time being, i'm cheering -- i see Good making the all-time-underdog comeback...janus luvs comebacks.  all-american as he remains.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIJN8IiDse0

hate to be the one, but i'll openly tell ya: lotsa badass shit goes into keepin america amorica.  i'm not so sure any of you want to see the alternative.  we are what we are.  

what a world.

lotsa nations out there wanna take it all.  they'd happily see all of us and our perfectly scoped rifles in chains.  just sayin...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdWVfrZ3MeQ

the west is best.

evermore,

janus

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 23:57 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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and GMOs / Food Patents

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 11:09 | Link to Comment Winston Churchill
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Trouble is the PTB control the transmission lines.

Just ask Iran about that problem with SWIFT payments.

Don't get me wrong, maybe v 3.0 or so might find a workaround.The concept is fine once

the vulnerabilities are dealt with.TOR is already comprimised , until there is infrastructure ourtside

US control ,BTC canot  come of age.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 12:14 | Link to Comment Dewey Cheatum Howe
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Bitcoin is only V1.0 or 1st gen whatever you want to call it the point is the solution is sitting right in front of everybody's faces. The PTB doesn't not control the transmission lines they only transmit on them. If you build it into the transmission system itself and it is distributed in chunks throughout the whole backbone of the internet..... It can be done everything is in place for it be done now. It just takes the will to make it happen. And the internet can be decentralized. The idea of decentralized networks and the topologies used for things like bittorrent and tor can be easily replicated outside the internet on ad-hoc wireless mesh networks.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 16:25 | Link to Comment WarPony
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"The PTB doesn't not control the transmission lines they only transmit on them."

I completely agree with your double negative, meaning yes, NSA is in your bitcoin and will control whichever crypto currency that emerges as the leader.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 10:14 | Link to Comment GreatUncle
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Personally from this point going forward NSA, GCHQ hacking everything you have to isolate yourself off the internet.

You do this, if not wanting to connect to the internet at some point disconnect the router, close down all wireless and only put them on at your choosing. They just love it when you leave it on all the time and do the same with every connected device. IF YOU CANNOT BE BOTHERED TO TURN IT OFF THEN IT'S YOUR OWN FAULT IF YOU ARE HACKED. Tatical advantage is now yours, with a non-static IP the number changes on every connection this has to be parsed to find and takes time.

Once you have taken this step, you need to then consider how you can protect yourself even more. Passing data over the internet is easy you must pass the encryption key physically so it does not hit the connected area they can grab. Do that you have now protected your privacy and if they demand the key, ask for some paperwork to justify their request in any form. Much harder because they cannot just pluck the key out of cyberspace.

Then to financial security, easy this one, pull all monies and pay cash. If you use electronic online banking you are asking for trouble as all can be viewed by the NSA / GCHQ , the already permanent man in the middle attack in EVERY communication. Using credit cards, no big deal check your statement and refute any fraudulent transactions.

Easy, can't hack, unable to decrpyt and can't do alot of harm financially.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 13:32 | Link to Comment mick_richfield
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I don't think that I am morally responsible for the theft of my belongings if I fail to lock my door.

Not even if you say it in caps.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 10:05 | Link to Comment optimator
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and who does NSA spy for?  Patent information, drug formulas, military, everything.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/11/nsa-americans-personal-data...

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 10:10 | Link to Comment hedgeless_horseman
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Excellent article. Thank you. I will ask my friends to add a couple of zeros to the right end of your account balance. Nobody will ever know.

Of course, you will want to convert your new "earnings" to something more tangible.

What hackers (.gov or not) giveth, hackers can taketh, and more.

The keyboard is the new king maker. Nukes, popes, and slaves pale in comparison.

 

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 08:41 | Link to Comment stant
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common thieves  after all

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 08:21 | Link to Comment Catullus
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I do this every year at this time: I print out all of bank and account statements.  I know it's silly because there's no hope of fighting these people.  But at least you have to force them to make up ledger entries if they are actually going to steal from you.

Plus, as robust their "cloud" is, if someone hacks it and starts creating fake ledger entries, the bank is not going to split hairs with what is yours and theirs.

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 08:04 | Link to Comment proLiberty
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The Federal Reserve was founded in 1913, 100 years ago.  At that time, gold was defined by law at $20/oz.  Today, the (maniuplated) market price of gold is $1,200/oz, a change by a factor of 60X. Instead of manipulating the amount of dollars in the accounts and wallets of every American, they have done something more evil, they have manipulated the value of the dollar.  Moreover, they did it primarily in an attempt to manipulate the behavior of citizens, by fooling them through suppressing the time-value of money.  

When coupled with income tax on the inflation in nominal value of capital assets like land, it amounts to the greatest theft of private wealth to the benefit of government in all of human history.

We have the opportunity, through a Convention to Consider Amendments to the Constitution, to peacefully redefine and repair the funcations and powers of the Federal Government.  In the past people were worried that such a convention would result in a net loss of precious rights.  I think it should be clear that the trajectory we are presently on shows that our rights are already being actively destroyed starting with our property.  Now it should be clear that government is also at war with our privacy. 

But it all starts with the ability of a Leviathan government to fund itself through infinite debt that it never intends to repay.  Infinite money enables infinite government.

Fri, 12/20/2013 - 05:58 | Link to Comment Trucker Glock
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"At that time, gold was defined by law at $20/oz."

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that is incorrect.  The dollar was defined as 1/20 ounce of gold.  There's a difference.

 

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 10:57 | Link to Comment ScotlandTheBrave
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You need to reread that article in the Constitution before considering a con-con. Our best option is nullification, plain and simple. A con-con can be subjugated like the one that happened in the 1780s that threw out the Articles of Confederation and gave us the big government constitution we have now. Read the anti-Federalist papers and you will see that everything these patriots predicted could happen has happened. The global banksters hacked that conference and what makes you think they couldn't hack a new one and uterly decimate all of The Bill of Rights that were added to the abomination that came out of the big con-con in the 1780s? The Federalist then knew that the bill of rights could be ignored in time once they established the courts as having the FINAL say on anything "Constitutional." Just ask John Roberts.

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