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One World Leader Still Endorses NSA Spying

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All 3 branches of the U.S. government have concluded that the NSA has gone way too far … and that mass surveillance is unnecessary.

The U.N. General Assembly agrees.

But one government leader backs the NSA’s Orwellian spying … former KGB officer Vladamir Putin.

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2009/3/20/1237552338679/Ronald-Reagan-visits-Russ-001.jpg

Vladamir Putin (on the left, wearing multiple cameras and a striped shirt) during Ronald Reagan’s visit to the Soviet Union

It is obvious that the former Soviet uber-spy’s endorsement is ironic.  But there is a second potential explanation.

Putin also has a current net worth alleged to be between $40 billion and $70 billion, and a palace to rival the old monarchs of France.

The real purpose of mass surveillance is economic advantage, diplomatic manipulation, and social control.

The multi-billionaire – whether commie or capitalist – may just want to maintian control and increase his wealth.

Of course, top experts say that mass spying by the NSA makes the Internet more vulnerable to bad guys.

And huge chunks of North American Internet traffic have flowed to Russia and other strange places recently:

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Have NSA shenanigans helped Mr. Putin by weakening the security of the web to the point where he can grab our data?  Maybe that’s one reason he likes it.

Postscript: Given that the American economy has gone from capitalism to socialism, and that the U.S. used communist torture techniques specifically aimed at extracting false confessions, it has become admittedly difficult to identify the players from the baseball roster these days.

 


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Tue, 12/24/2013 - 14:48 | Link to Comment assistedliving
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CW broke every law and typifies whats wrong w/ our govt.  ZB was right.  Let the Russians get bogged down on THEIR border.  instead look what happened.  we wud all be better off if CW failed than succeeded, that blimp Hanks notwithstanding.   think about it.  cool n stupid works in discotheques.  Internationale mongering is whats getting old. 

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 14:16 | Link to Comment falak pema
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Question to the ZH forum : Is this Guy a ZH gang member?

Larry Klayman Vs. Obama, NSA - Business Insider

Sounds very much like the stuff we hear on ZH!

Anyways, I don't buy his philosophy but I do endorse his position on NSA prosecution !

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 09:23 | Link to Comment gwar5
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Obama and Cameron and TPTB pulling the strings are the NSA control freaks. Obama is now trying to scuttle a 2nd Federal judge from ruling against the NSA, despite his protestations that he is on our side. 

 

Mass surveillance of the American people is an act of war by our public serrvants upon the free and sovereign citizens. NSA director said, "Snowden should hang by the neck until dead",  but it's the NSA that is committing treason and lying about it under oath to congress, which is evidence of criminal guilt.

Why not just show a picture of an appropriately scowling and demonic Obama, GW? What's with the Putin/Reagan pic from the way back time machine?

 

 

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 11:54 | Link to Comment Jumbotron
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HAHAHAHA !!!   And to think that Fuckstar believes his FREEDOM TECH Shitcoin is safe and free from all exploits.

The internet is TOTALLY CAPTURED.

Welcome to Prison Planet.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 09:47 | Link to Comment Tsukato
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Jesus this article was an extra helpin dose of utter horse shit. Putin was joking you fucking moron. And, he's worth $60-70,000,000,000?!
Where did you learn this? I'm staring to believe that you "George Washington" are just another Israeli disinformation bitch. Yeah, let's get the goy to hate Putin, the only national leader doing any good in the who Caucasian world.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 01:14 | Link to Comment steveo77
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I thought for sure you meant Bama and Cam-boy

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 11:40 | Link to Comment Mad Muppet
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All 3 branches of the U.S. government have concluded that the NSA has gone way too far … and that mass surveillance is unnecessary.

 

Umm, would those three be the CIA, NSA and DHS, or have I got it wrong?

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 12:07 | Link to Comment Seer
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Chuckle...  that's actually a good one.  It's always a tug of war between all the agencies, and I'm sure that most are envious of the fact that the NSA can pretty much write their own ticket and evade scrutiny.

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 09:39 | Link to Comment MrBoompi
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We are not a socialist country. We are a fascist country.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 01:16 | Link to Comment steveo77
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Kind of a mix of both.   

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 11:59 | Link to Comment Jumbotron
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Kinda......it's an ever increasing Socialist Government who gives special privaleges to their Capatalist cronies.....no matter if they are Liberal or Conservative.

It's socialism for the elite.....even if many of the elite are conservatives.

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 10:44 | Link to Comment Bendromeda Strain
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Didn't anyone tell Reagan that he is supposed to bow when greeting a shorter person?

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 08:08 | Link to Comment BlackVoid
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CHECK YOUR FACTS BEFORE POSTING GW. 

This kind of thing only destroys your credibility.

Obama and Cameron still endorse NSA spying. Not Putin.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 12:02 | Link to Comment Jumbotron
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LOL !!!

Are you FUCKING SERIOUS ?  Of COURSE Putin doesn't endorse NSA spying.  Because he knows he is a TARGET of such spying.

However.....Putin is KGB.  The Russians don't take a dump in the morning before they have spied on half the world in the morning while analyzing the previous night's data.

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 13:05 | Link to Comment smacker
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Yup. Putin said a coupla days ago in his Russian Xmas media interviews that state surveillance should be necessary and proportionate to the risk. I take that to mean he doesn't agree with the NSA/GCHQ mass surveillance of everything that moves or breathes or travels by wire.

Whatever the UK PM Cameron says about it is automatically a big lie as it is from all UK political slimeballs. Whenever asked, they always respond with the same shut-down-debate comment "we do not discuss national security matters", as happened over Snowden's very latest revelations.

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 08:14 | Link to Comment Pee Wee
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He also said the "West is weak" and he could not be more right.

A self-purported nation of laws that is anything but is just the threshold.  

In the US, citizens give up liberty, justice, privacy, civil rights,  due process and the rule of law for the all important national priority of homosexuality.   Really, nothing else matters and last-place-Putin can even see the obvious.

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 06:04 | Link to Comment Element
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Kabuki theater ... leper heal thy self ... not going to happen ... no matter what these thrice-faced bastards say from here on. That giant NSA spying program was official policy, and those are the people who set official policy. This shit does not just happen, it's like the scene were the three sharks are telling Nemo and Dory about how they are trying to reform their fish-eating ways, and one burps up a fresh fish skeleton. Well these bastards meant to do everything they've been subsequently exposed doing. You don't just accidentally record every phone call and online transmission in the USSA, and elsewhere. That takes decades of organized concerted covert actions and massive coordination and cooperation, and extremely detailed planning, approval processes, and endless reviews and optimizations to develop and exploit it. None of it just sort of accidentally happened.

But at least we know what a lot of those MIC 'black-budgets' were for.

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 09:02 | Link to Comment nmewn
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"None of it just sort of accidentally happened."

I'm kinda with you on that, to a point.

To my way of thinking there isn't some grand scheme involved BESIDES the state (read statists) always attempting to expand itself/themselves on any given issue.

The Patriot Act, the Community Reinvestment Act, the War on Poverty, War on Drugs...just pick one, they all started out relatively small and are sold to the people as filling some pressing need/void that must be filled.

Then, with the passage of time and the endless self-serving technocratic tweaking that always accompanies any new law becomes a genuine bureaucratic clusterfuck that either implodes in on itself (SSI) or is repealed outright (Prohibition).

We simply cannot trust the MIC (to include Congress & the President, any President) with our liberty anymore than we can trust HHS with our medical records, wants, needs or desires.

They will tweak it to the detriment of future generations, its what they always do.

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To my little statist junker...you thinkin they (and by extension YOU) are really that intelligent in spite of the overwhelming evidence to the contrary?

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 16:56 | Link to Comment Miffed Microbio...
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That they never decloak should be evidence of their cowardice and acknowledgement of your superior arguement. Engagement may mean change, something to be feared and suppressed at all cost. Obviously status quo benefits them and they don't care if it costs the lives of others. Pathetic to think only a down arrow is the best they can muster.

Miffed;-)

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 17:28 | Link to Comment Element
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I entirely agree with the way you've put it there nmewn, I noticed this amplification effect in a few other ways many years ago.

Firstly, databases always get bigger, they don't shrink, and they usually continue, rather than fall into disuse, they just transform and evolve, and tend to then coalesce. And this is how systems and programs amplify over time. The 'multi-role' syndrome of technocrats take over, with their agendas and lobbies, and the 'mission-creep' of the database thus sets in (which utterly infests MIC and State Govts and proliferation of laws, taxes and red-tape, etc.). Hence the programs and data-gathering always increases and expands its scope and applications with time, and implicitly seeks its own programmatic self-justifications and worth.

This was all a fairly obvious process from the moment database architectures moved from form-based lists (like a spreadsheet layouts), to a fully relational way of manipulation and connection of disparate data-sets.

Databases do not regulate themselves and they do not stay within their original bounds, aims and purposes. The very nature of a relational databases is to make a linkage to data in other databases, hence the 'relational' part of "relational database" architectures. It relates data to other sources in a common architecture, thus expansion from isolated stove-piped data systems to massively parallel and totally interconnected data systems was intrinsic, and its development to global systems of data expansion was then inevitable.

I could see that was all coming in the mid-1980s, and it certainly has ever since.

The other area where I have noticed this same sort of amplification of programs and their intensity was with regard to the human mind's psychology and advertising. Advertisers don't send us 'free' catalogs for nothing, they know that if they daily dangle expensive shiny consumer goods in front of us, our desire is AMPLIFIED. It's the same way cola companies sell black carbonated sugar water. They present an image, and rely on the fact that the human mind will amplify desire via the very act of considering an outcome of ownership and possession.

Anything we spend all our time thinking about, amplifies out of proportion, and consumes our mind and actions.

It's also why the head of US Strategic Air Command, General Curtis Lemay, in 1962, who'd spent the last ~25 years either thinking about strategic bombardments, or actually doing them, wanted to immediately nuke the Soviet Union, before the Soviets reached 'strategic parity' with the US in nuke numbers and delivery systems. This seemed a perfectly valid thing to do, to him, because he had been thinking about nothing else. And when he proposed to do this, everyone who had not been thinking about this and amplifying it internally, all thought he was completely nuts (and he was - functionally nuts, due to amplification of what he was totally focused on achieving).

This is why politicians amplify legislation themes, this is why crooks and other banksters extend their ambitions to steal ever more, and this is why greed festers into such grand and harmful excesses.

And this is also what advertisers do, and know, that if they just repeatedly present us with glossy images of desirable gadgets, we will amplify the desire via the resulting thoughts rattling around in us daily, until we will either work to earn the money to buy it, or we will go into debt to sate the desires, or if we have no job and no credit or are just impulsive in tendency, the repeated stoking of the wet-spot of desire will cause some to simply try to steal it.

This is how sex crimes occur, over stimulation of desire that can not be fulfilled. This is why all sorts of destructive and non-essential activities that transform over time to criminal act germinates.

What goes into our minds amplifies. That is the source of biasing, and of seeing what we want to see, etc.

It is all a product of being repeatedly caused and incited to think in unhealthy ways.

So it does not surprise me at all to see the NSA doing what it does, or to see all these scummy political individuals now all claiming to be innocent and ready to wind it back.

Nope, the people who want it to continue will just place in front of us the Pavlov's-dog 'ding' imagery, that will amplify the apparent desirability to continue and actually expand these programs, and all these pricks will salivate accordingly at the prospect of more spying on the public.

If the MIC and TPTB are actually prepared to smash all of civilization with thermonuclear fireballs (and they are), does anyone think they will hesitate to just amplify and expand the spying further, and entrench it even more deeply and destructively into the basis of all human affairs and interactions?

That's why they keep repeating lies, and presenting partial and warped views of events on the MSM. The mind will amplify what is presented, and in most people it apparently doesn't even matter that they know that what is presented is false, or at least warped, suspect and partial.

We are programed by our own minds thinking, we just have to be stimulated sufficiently to do it, and it works best when we don't even realize we are being stimulated to amplify a thought theme.

 

PS: There is no limit to where that spying application mentality can go, wouldn't surprise me if in 50 years time after the first night of a sexual career, you're debriefed the following morning by a psychologist-social-worker using explicit video footage and audio of the event to coach you on your technique in pleasuring your boyfriend's butt.

/barf! ... sorry :D

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The root meaning of government:

To 'govern' comes from the Latin root 'goberno' which literally translates into English as "to pilot", or "to manage", or "to control", and 'ment' comes from the Latin word 'mentis' (from which words like mental are derived), which means 'mind'.

So government is a mechanism created and dedicated to pilot and control the minds of citizens.
 
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/guberno#Latin
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/mens#Latin
 
Hence we get highly educated human drones, people who do not act for themselves, but are effectively indirectly remotely controlled and piloted by an exterior organizational infrastructure, dedicated to the control and direction of human minds. But clearly it isn't just the state, public or private education process that turns people into unwitting (i.e. witless) drones. Government particularly does not like independent minds to operate. Government, by implication claims and asserts that your mind is the government's defacto drone, its territory, its domain, and its right to 'fix' a misbehaving 'drone' mind, and to tweak it to perform in the compliant and desired ways, to amplify the correct thoughts, and suppress the undesired thoughts. Thus a form of effective mind-control is more or less achieved, in most people.

Some are more resistant to being told or suggested what to think, and how to act, and more worryingly may insist on "thinking for themselves" (which is really most annoying), and those "undesirables" are usually suppressed, oppressed, house-arrest, imprisoned, exiled, or just shot.

 

Gawd bless amhericka and ostraylya! Thank goodness this doesn't happen in Democracies, huh?

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 18:08 | Link to Comment Miffed Microbio...
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Element,
This was an interesting post. I believe what the issue is essentially is a preponderance of pliancy and living a superficial life in the USA today. Dangling of shiny baubles or trinkets simply is ineffective in my case no matter how much of a bombardment occurs. I am simply immune. Why? Because I lead a mindful life and was raised to question everything. I know who I am and what I value and the purchase of an item cannot initiate an experience. This is key. Advertisers promulgate the idea a purchase is more that the item but includes a satisfaction of desire. A sports car is shown draped with a sexy woman. The car becomes a means to a sexy mate that will be there to please you. A beautiful McMansion in a gated community is sold as a Life Style. The deepest fears and desires of men and women are manipulated in this fashion to great effect. The cancerous growth of databases is a response to this not a cause. Technology has responded to enhance this. If your purchases are increased by blond curvaceous women, then the database will display items that are customized for you to attract a response. The database is simple a reflection of yourself, a mirror. It can be undone if one so chooses. Simply by questioning.

I want to have a Ferrari. Why? Because its a cool car. Why? Because people will notice me. Why is that important? Because I have worked so hard all my life and I want to show I have made it. Why does that matter? Because everyone has taken and taken from me all my life and I want to do something for me for a change. Will having a Ferrari negate all that? No. Why not? It just can't. So why do you want something that can't satisfy what you REALLY want? I don't know. Then figure that out before you buy a Ferrari.

You are what you think. Everything you are arises from your thoughts. With your thoughts you make your world.

They can drone my body but they will never drone my mind.

Miffed;-)

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 12:03 | Link to Comment Seer
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There!  Up-arrowed to boost things a bit :-)

Actually, I had logged in just to up-arrow you (but I've run across lots of excellent posts here- makes me feel better to know that there's lots of folks who actually get it)

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 05:22 | Link to Comment Setarcos
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I saw and listened to Putin on RT and what Putin actually said was, more or less,  "I envy Obama for being able to get away with spying on allies with impunity."  And he smiled in obvious ridicule

Sorry GW, but you should have checked facts before posting: http://rt.com/news/putin-snowden-press-conference-487/

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 10:56 | Link to Comment Son of Captain Nemo
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A tale of two stories... 

As far as I'm concerned RT will always trump the "Wa-Po" filter for obvious reasons. Thanks for providing this to the discussion.

So was it pure excruciating sarcasm to embarrass President Obama's "all seeing eye" power trip?...

Putin speaks like the ex-KGB officer he is, just as G.H.W. Bush did as President in the misdirection department. I believe playing both sides of the fence is an important game when you have an adversary like the U.S. But sooner or later Mr. Putin will have to tell the World who he believes is the money and means behind the global war on terror since 2001 given it's influence in places like Bosnia and Chechnya on his own front.

Once he provides that answer we will know where he stands on the statements he just made about his envy for the unfettered control of U.S. surveillance programs.

 

 

 

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 01:13 | Link to Comment palmereldritch
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Which just goes to show you that any boy in the USSA now, if he plays his oligarch cards right, can grow up to be President of a FEMA-region-to-be-named-later...

Fri, 12/20/2013 - 21:44 | Link to Comment RaceToTheBottom
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Interesting post that should be appreciated by the ZH Putin Man Crush team

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 10:47 | Link to Comment Bendromeda Strain
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When you first heard the phrase "tongue in cheek" you obviously misunderstood (in your race to the bottom)

Thu, 12/26/2013 - 16:09 | Link to Comment RaceToTheBottom
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So did you

Fri, 12/20/2013 - 21:38 | Link to Comment dinkum
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A lot has happened the last 30 years when our children's Russia History (8th grade) and China History (9th Grade) remarked before the classes began that they would likely know more about Russia and China than 98% of the Members of Congress. 10th grade was Comparative Religions that is another msm and political near mystery. 

By the mid-'80s Reagan/Bush decided policy-wise to not discuss either cybersecurity or Islamic Studies Centers proposed for Cambridge, MA and in Turkey or Egypt to study Islam in relationship to all major religions and their heresies. Cost of $3 billion each for the first decade was considered outlandish. Today multi-trillions of dollars have directly and indirectly been allocated to deal with the symptoms or side effects of the underlying causes of much radicalism. 

If you have difficulty with Putin's wealth and the pardon, read "How Harvard Lost Russia". Also try to get a grip on "democratic republics" elected leaders ending speeches with "Death to America" besides the other favorite nation-state appealing to the base heretical instincts of their oppressed citizens.  

 

 

 

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 12:02 | Link to Comment Seer
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"Today multi-trillions of dollars have directly and indirectly been allocated to deal with the symptoms or side effects of the underlying causes of much radicalism. "

You missed the part where trillions were "invested" in creating/assisting/promoting radicalism in the first place.  "al Qaeda" was created to push back the Russians, and to destabilize the satellite countries/regions around it.

I'm sure that the Russians have done similar things in South America (though I doubt to the level that the US has done).

The US has thrived on that radicalism.  Connect the dots!

Fri, 12/20/2013 - 20:25 | Link to Comment Radical Marijuana
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"huge chunks of North American Internet traffic have flowed to Russia and other strange places recently"

For a few years, almost half of the registered hits on my Web site ( http://www.marijuanaparty.ca ) have been referenced with links coming from Russia, although backtracking those links made no sense whatsoever regarding why those sites would have linked through to our Web site. I have often wondered what the hell was going on! It got so bad, that they were were using up so much bandwidth, that that was costing us triple the amount of money to host our Web site. Hence we put up on our Web site a robotic search blocker, so that our content cannot be indexed by Google or Bing, etc.. That helped us save money, but nevertheless, even after doing that, our Web site still has almost as many hits from links with domains in Russia as from North America. Therefore, I was intrigued by this article above mentioning a possibly related phenomenon

Given that the "dark Web" is supposed to be like the iceberg metaphor, that it is way bigger than the "white Web," and given that I have no clue what is really going on behind the scenes, I merely mention how peculiar it is that so much traffic to our Web site comes from Russia, in ways that appear to make no rational sense!

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 11:56 | Link to Comment Seer
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" in ways that appear to make no rational sense!"

One only look at the language, with all those crazy backwards characters, to see that they don't make any sense! :-)

I'll again make this statement: It's always been about US vs. Russia (in modern era).  Russians are the "bad guys," who have somewhat turned a bit "good," while the U.S. is the "good guys," who have turned a bit "bad."  The race is on to meet in the middle... and then it all blows up.

Fri, 12/20/2013 - 19:30 | Link to Comment jonjon831983
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RSA + NSA backdoor.  Interesting. Expected or wow?  Really does make you wonder about other encryption.

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/20/us-usa-security-rsa-idUSBRE9BJ1C220131220

 

"Documents leaked by former NSA contractor Edward Snowden show that the NSA created and promulgated a flawed formula for generating random numbers to create a "back door" in encryption products, the New York Times reported in September. Reuters later reported that RSA became the most important distributor of that formula by rolling it into asoftware tool called Bsafe that is used to enhance security in personal computers and many other products."

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 11:48 | Link to Comment bh2
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This is why open source is such a precious commodity. Code which can be reviewed by experts around the world -- including cryptographers -- is unlikely to contain hidden back doors because nothing can be easily hidden.

There can be no greater risk of intrusion on privacy than proprietary software which cannot be vetted by disinterested experts and is manufactured by commercial companies most likely to be intimidated agents of the government.

Fri, 12/20/2013 - 18:53 | Link to Comment besnook
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on the one hand there is really no sure way around modern suveillance capabilities. on the other hand a system depending upon cyber systems is just as vulnerable as anything or person with better results for the intruder.

putin is right nsa type capabilities are a good thing for the security of the state but it is like the tsa program in the usa. most of it is a waste of time. if it were much more focused it could mine tons of gold and be a lot more dangerous to the people.

Fri, 12/20/2013 - 18:49 | Link to Comment steveo77
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parabolic rise in shark attacks around Hawaii as flotsam is detected also.

http://nukeprofessional.blogspot.com/2013/12/bubble-in-tiger-shark-attac...

Fri, 12/20/2013 - 18:37 | Link to Comment Brindle702
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No Asian hop in that traceroute? ... odd ...

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 00:33 | Link to Comment blindman
Fri, 12/20/2013 - 18:25 | Link to Comment WTFUD
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From barry and sliding down the 3 pillars of murky lobbyist fodder there has never been a more steenkin rotten corrupt public service.

Fri, 12/20/2013 - 18:16 | Link to Comment WTFUD
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I think we're all underestimating Boehner's tan.

Fri, 12/20/2013 - 17:18 | Link to Comment Son of Captain Nemo
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I certainly hope something is missing or "deliberately" got cut out of this announcement by Putin.  Would like to see the video with his mouth "jaw-boning" what I just read. Then and only then will I believe it.

If what he said is verbatim accurate, I would suggest Ed Snowman gets himself on the next shuttle to "nowhere" that he can locate asap.

Let's face it.  Putin didn't just become $50 billion richer all by himself. Questionable deals were made and adversaries (legitimate and otherwise) were thrown into prison eliminated to get him that wealth.  Deals were also made to endorse the narrative about 9/11 and it is accurate to this day that you will never see Putin deviate from the "official narrative" adding China and India to that as well.  I would like to believe that Putin had to play that card because he wasn't at a stage where he could speak loudly to what the U.S. Government had done at the time to it's own people and Country. 

If the story is hot air and bluff to bring the enemy in closer -then bully for Putin. On the other hand if it's about enriching yourself at the expense of others, then he's no different than the 3 ring circus in Washington!

Sure hope the second one is -say it ain't so.  Time and actions not words are the only things at the end of the day you can trust.

 

 

 

Sat, 12/21/2013 - 11:49 | Link to Comment Seer
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"On the other hand if it's about enriching yourself at the expense of others, then he's no different than the 3 ring circus in Washington!"

Son, it's about POWER.  Anyone with power who "rules" is corrupt: and there are many who may not be in ruling "offices" that have power that are also corrupt.

It's likely the more money the more corrupt and bigger liar.  Money anymore is nothing but a lie...

Fri, 12/20/2013 - 17:06 | Link to Comment no more banksters
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UPDATE:

Tortures and a modern Auschwitz

Everyone suspects that the following happen almost everywhere. Western world is transformed into a huge area of brutal police violence and human rights become, more and more, only words in Brussels bureaucrats' papers. The following info come from an article by Kostas Vaxevanis, HotDoc magazine, Issue 42, Dec. 2013.

http://failedevolution.blogspot.gr/2013/12/tortures-and-modern-auschwitz...

Fri, 12/20/2013 - 17:41 | Link to Comment Son of Captain Nemo
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Yeah. 

And to add to that. The "genocide betrayers" of all "genocide betrayers".

What will those cheesepopes think of next!

http://www.redressonline.com/2013/12/israel-opened-the-gates-to-two-dams-now-gaza-is-sinking/

Fri, 12/20/2013 - 18:21 | Link to Comment no more banksters
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Thanks. There are so many stories of people facing cruelty and violence. A more fascist world grows quite fast I'm afraid.

Fri, 12/20/2013 - 16:40 | Link to Comment Charles Wilson
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What...Couldn't find a pichur of W molesting some child with Putin looking on approvingly?

GW, you are just too transparent.

Seriously.  Get a hobby. Stamp collecting.  Bowling.

Anything else.

Fri, 12/20/2013 - 18:47 | Link to Comment George Washington
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Huh?

Fri, 12/20/2013 - 20:32 | Link to Comment Son of Captain Nemo
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Ditto on not understanding that one as well.

If it was a picture of G.H.W. after the "Chicken Kiev" speech shaking the boys hand -then I think I'd follow.

Fri, 12/20/2013 - 22:57 | Link to Comment Charles Wilson
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Am I ever sorry that I Posted on this one...

GW, you're doin' yer usual misdirection and you know it.

Typical GW story has some evil miscreant or FEMA Gulag story or other Atrocity and then, *Poof!*, HERE'S G W BUSH! CHENEY! REAGAN!  Little children exposed to REAGAN!! OMG!!!

It gets old, that's all.

 

PS: The real Reagan picture was on the cover of Krasner's "The Realist".  But people are still all a'twitter over LBJ and...well, never mind...

Fri, 12/20/2013 - 23:59 | Link to Comment Son of Captain Nemo
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Typical GW story has some evil miscreant or FEMA Gulag story or other Atrocity and then, *Poof!*, HERE'S G W BUSH! CHENEY! REAGAN!  Little children exposed to REAGAN!! OMG!!!

And well deserved I might add!  They were all the architects of our destruction.  If you have information to the contrary to share that exonerates these monsters of what they did to this Country through their "strategic self interests", Nicaragua, the Gulf War, 9/11, The Patriot Act, Afghanistan, Iraq War II (Iraqi "Freedom"), Georgia 2008... please by all means tell us all that you know that will preserve the integrity of this scum with the oaths they took to protect and defend the Constitution?

If you are having problem with my comment about the Franklin Scandal being factual, by all means look it up including the taped broadcasts from Tom Brokaw on NBC who was shut down and yes "threatened" for speaking the truth about what happened in G.H.W. Bush's administration on his inauguration festivities.

Let's face it, being a pedophile is always an unpleasant embarrassment regardless of your vocation or station in life -but when it's the President of the United States that is protected from that kind of wrong doing among all the others including starting wars of choice based on lies and deceit, you have the worst and most dangerous representing your Country!

Looking forward to your facts.

 

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