The Biggest Terrorism Scaremongers Are THEMSELVES the Ones Promoting Terrorism

George Washington's picture

In response to the revelation that the NSA spies on Congress, Congressman Peter King says that the NSA should spy on Congress, to make sure congress members don’t call Al Qaeda.

King is a fine one to talk … he supported the Irish Republican Army for decades, even though the IRA was designated as a terrorist group.

The heads of the House and Senate Intelligence Committees – Diane Feinstein and Mike Rogers – are always yelling ooga booga … saying that the terrorists will get us if we don’t let the NSA spy on all Americans.

Feinstein and Rogers both support Al Qaeda terrorists in Syria.  Rogers supports torture, which has been recognized for thousands of years as a form of terrorism (torture also creates new terrorists.)  And Rogers supports the widespread drone war, even though indiscriminate drone strikes are war crimes – more here and here – oh, and they create more terrorists.

Another leading scaremonger is former NSA and CIA director Michael Hayden, who has compared privacy advocates with terrorists. Hayden was one of the main supporters of the torture program, and of the “signature strike” drone assassination program, where strikes are launched purely on the behavior of ground vehicles, with no further evidence of connection to terrorism. Hayden also supported the MEK terrorist group (more on MEK below).

This type of hypocrisy has been going on for some time. We noted in 2011:

The biggest scaremongers regarding the threat from terrorism are themselves promoting terrorism.

Don’t believe me?


Well, Pulitzer-prize winning investigative reporter Seymour Hersh says that the Bush administration (and especially Dick Cheney) helped to fund groups which the U.S. claims are terrorists (see confirming articles here and here).


And as the New York Times, Washington Post and others are reporting, former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani, former Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge, former national security adviser Fran Townsend and former Attorney General Michael Mukasey – who all said that the terrorists were going to get us if we didn’t jettison the liberties granted under the Bill of Rights – are now supporting terrorists in Iran.


If you’ve forgotten how shrill these folks were, here’s some background on Giulani (and see this), Ridge, Townsend and Mukasey (and see this and this).


As Raw Story reports today:

Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani, former Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge, former national security adviser Fran Townsend and former Attorney General Michael Mukasey all attended a forum organized by supporters of Mujaheddin-e Khalq (MEK).


The MEK is a communist group that helped Saddam Hussein carry out attacks against Iraq’s Shiite population in the 1990s. The group attacked Americans in Iran in the 1980s and helped with the 1979 takeover of the US embassy in Tehran.


The US designated the MEK a foreign terrorist organization in January 2009.

Sadly, the U.S. has actually become the world’s largest sponsor of terrorism … but the hypocritical fearmonger blowhards who promote such terror only call it terrorism when the other guy does it.

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GoldenDonuts's picture

Hate to say it but pretty much every "terrorist" attack outside of Iraq makes me wonder .... false flag?

Kina's picture

These guys love to support the creation of more terrorists and increase their argument for being and provides multi billion dollar opportunity to banksters, military industrial complex...and helps the 1% get richer and more powerful.


These guys are not against terrorists and terrorism, they are all for them, they want to exist in increasing numbers. Thus they must rant against them in every form and fashion they can think of . These guys are theselves the foundation of most terrorists and terrorism.

Wish Doctor's picture

"The media needs to point out the hypocrisy ..."

What is this, Sesame Street?

Go read up on how the Hearst newspapers in the 1930s made all the morons here hate Germans so they'd go and die in the so-called Good War.

Same as it ever was. 

Go read the original (1953) Perpetual War for Perpetual Peace, not the Gore Vidal knock-off.

Same as it ever was.

kurt's picture

Television for Adults


Always has a smirking bad guy torturing a bound good guy. Often has a conflicted good guy HAVING to torture someone. Features an official who feels bad about having killed someone. Perp and Vic. 

I asked a recent  graduate of a major university, "Why!?" He said so that you will feel releived when the commercial comes on, and buy stuff to feel better. Also he suggested I should stop watching TV. It's designed to increase your tension. Also check out the constant stream of "rageporn" on talk TV and radio... never ending.

WTFUD's picture

Lacky:- A person's bitch
Lackey:- to act as a footman; to act in a servile manner.
What a fucking joke this life is, eh, GW!
Fuck them all each and everyone of these LACKEYS.

Radical Marijuana's picture

As usual, this article by George Washington appears to deliberately pull its punches. The "war on terror" was started by the spectacular inside job, false flag attack launched on 9/11/2001. In turn, that was merely one in a long line of historical false flag attacks, which were designed to promote the basic structure of our entrenched social system, which is DEBT SLAVERY BACKED BY WARS BASED ON DECEITS.  Human history was primarily directed by warfare, in which success depended upon deceits. Upon that basis was constructed a financial system which is based on the success of fraud. Both combined have resulted in our kind of civilization become more criminally insane than we can completely comprehend.

There is NO DOUBT about the existence of the runaway Neolithic Civilization social pyramid systems, based on Huge Lies, backed up by Lots of Violence! 9/11 was a deliberate investment in mass murder, made by the ruling classes that dominate our own civilization, which was intended to become a self-fulfilling prophesy to accomplished the goals of creating more terrorism, so that, eventually, conditions could be driven to get so bad that there would excuses to use weapons of mass destruction, in far greater genocidal wars than ever before in human history, which would be backed up by imposing democidal martial law. The best metaphor to describe the real world is that our civilization has become an insane asylum dominated by the most criminally insane people. The fact that they could successfully get away with committing the 9/11 mass murders, as a false flag attack, which accomplished all of their real objectives, so far, is leading towards them being able to mass murder so many more people that we can not fully comprehend those consequences. To be realistic, it is probably Too Late to stop those social insanities from going way too mad!

The problem is that any correction of insane psychological and social habits surrounding thousands of years of the history of warfare is a correction which requires sufficient demonstration of the FACT that the weapons are trillions of times more powerful and capable than ever before in human history. For thousands of years, it was possible to win wars. Now, the only possible real outcome is that everyone loses. That is the paradox of "real war" after the weapons become trillions of times too powerful for the people to survive those weapons being deployed until they are exhausted. In the short-term, lies backed by violence keeps on "winning," and so, still are able to dominate and direct civilization, while the final failure from that kind of "success" has yet to be fully manifested.

This kind of article by George Washington is, I believe, knowingly grossly superficial in its presentation of the correct, but shallow, thesis that: "The Biggest Terrorism Scaremongers Are THEMSELVES the Ones Promoting Terrorism." In fact, there is nothing new in thousands of years of the history of warfare, whereby success was based on deceits, and spies were the most important soldiers, other than its runaway triumphant degrees of success, based on advances in science and technology, so that organized lies, operating organized robberies, could become amplified to more astronomical sizes than ever before.

There is nothing new in successful false flag attacks being used to start wars based on deceits, both in foreign and domestic affairs. The only thing new is the paradox of their runaway success headed towards the paradox of final failure from too much of that kind of "success." The events on 9/11/2001 were actually the ruling classes of our society committing mass murders, and covering that up, and blaming other people who actually had nothing directly to do with that, in order to start genocidal wars based on those deceits, as well as to prepare to impose democidal martial law within our own civilization.

However, not only is that bad enough, in itself, but what is way worse is that we are thereby getting even more light years away from being able to develop any better solutions to the chronic political problems that we face, which are primarily that the exponential growth of the established systems can not continue much longer ... while there is nothing overtly present in the public political space which addresses that problem in comprehensive ways. What we are witnessing is the runaway systems of debt slavery driving their numbers towards debt insanities, while the only concrete preparations for that trajectory towards mad self-destruction appear to be that the ruling classes have prepared for starting more genocidal wars, along with democidal martial law, as their ways to resolve those problems.

We are watching a spiral of murder being spun up to go out-of-control. Its most important historical events were the assassinations of crucial politicians, so that only puppets would be left standing. Bit by bit, the mass murders were enabled to get bigger, both domestically, as well as in foreign affairs. Meanwhile, there was never any remotely possible more rational debate in the public spaces about what the death controlling murder systems should be, since the actual systems were based upon their runaway triumphs of deceits, in which one false flag attack, or similar false assertion, after another, was the basis to promote more and bigger wars based on deceits, so that the established debt slavery systems could be advanced, to benefit those who benefit from the existence of those debt slavery systems.

However, now that those debt slavery systems are headed towards necessarily generating numbers which are debt insanities, the matching back-up systems of the death controls transforming into causing death insanities are similarly being pumped up and up, towards exploding. Meanwhile, the deeper chronic political problems which are inherent to the nature of human life are not being recognized, since the real ways that those problems are actually being resolved are based on the long history of developing Neolithic Civilizations to become fundamentally based upon deceits and frauds, backed by destructive forces.

The success of 9/11 as a false flag attack, becoming a self-fulfilling prophesy to drive more and more terrorism, has probably only begun to play itself through. It is reasonable to presume that there will be future false flag attacks, like 9/11, but which will be much worse, and which will then be used to justify consequences which are even more insane. TRULY, IT IS PRACTICALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT HAPPENS TO A SOCIETY WHICH IS FUNDAMENTALLY BASED ON THE PREVIOUS SUCCESSES OF LIES BACKED BY VIOLENCE, BECOMING LEGALIZED LIES, BACKED BY LEGALIZED VIOLENCE, AS THAT SYSTEM IS PUMPED UP BY TECHNOLOGIES WHICH ARE TRILLIONS OF TIMES MORE POWERFUL, TO BECOME MORE COLLECTIVELY, CRIMINALLY INSANE, TO DEGREES WHICH ARE BEYOND ONE'S ABILITY TO IMAGINE ...

Furthermore, there is virtually nothing in the public political spaces which goes through enough of those deeper realizations, towards providing enough insight to cope with the deeper reasons how and why our civilization was faced with chronic political problems, which were resolved by that history of warfare based on deceits, and finance based on frauds. Our globalized social pyramid system has its pyramidion people being able to get away with arranging for things like 9/11 to happen, and for the truth about that to be covered up, so that their lies about that could advance the agenda of that globalized ruling class.

However, amongst the few that recognize that level of social facts, almost none move through the processes towards proposing how the necessary death controls, to back up the debt controls, could be better done, rather than allowing those to run amok towards death insanities, driven by debt insanities. That is, the real nature of the combined money/murder systems are hidden, while the reasons how and why those systems developed in the first place are even more hidden. Thus, the real world systems have become based on the maximum possible deceits, and frauds, throughout everything that the existing murder and money systems are actually doing, while more rational public debates about how to do those things better might as well be regarded as being on the dark side of the moon too.

satoshi101's picture

RM if GW's post was as dark as your analysis, GW wouldn't get posted.

For all times then and now, if you want advertiser, or clicks you got to be positive, because negative news causes people to close their wallets not open them.

Just saying,


Maybe ZH should post RM, and let GW  make comments :)

Me thinks that GW should write posts without 'rose coloured glasses', but then ZH would not post such, ....




RM of COURSE and GW can't come out and really admit the truth, that the GREAT CULLING is coming and is planned.

I have said here before, RUSSIA/CHINA have had their reset with 10+ million killed, the USA hasn't had a civilian culling since the civil war, and its way over due.

Anybody that is still in the USA, is a fucking idiot waiting to die.

How's that for putting a rose on a pile of shit?


Radical Marijuana's picture

Of course, you are right, satoshi101, and I believe that George Washington is well aware that you are right. I do not hold it against him for making his own personal decisions to be more effective, in the ways that he apparently manages to surf the edge of the mass media mind. After all, we are living at a time when decade after decade of the best brainwashing that money could buy has shaped the ways that the vast majority of people think:

Rule from the Shadows -

The Psychology of Power

- Part 1

Nothing new, but it does emphasize
many scary ways that psychological


were successfully applied to drive
more people to be more INSANE!

This is science in the service of dishonesty
which works, because it is deliberately run
as an applied science in order to thus work.

In its own way, successful brainwashing
is equally terrifying as are atomic bombs!!!

They both combined represent scientific
lies, backed up by violence, which are
more effective, and thus more EVIL.

More scientifically organized LIES,
promoting more scientific ROBBERY,
which gets focused through FUNDING
of political processes to become EVIL;
as more scientifically effective EVIL.

In every way paradoxical successes
of more scientifically improved ways
to promote lies, backed by violence,
has successfully driven civilization
towards more psychotic insanities!

WTFUD's picture

Happy New Year GW!
The tide is turning and for sure you will be at the top of the list for a future recognised Peace Prize ( NOT THAT NOBEL SHIT THEY HAND OUT TO MOTHERFUCKERS ). You'll see, mark my words.

I would like to wish ALL your detractors, detractor's sponsors and their families and friends ILL health in 2014 and beyond.

Peace be with you my friend. Keep up the good work for all our sakes.

Reaper's picture

From the Peter Principle, "What happens if social workers end poverty."   The bigger the threat of terrorism, the more government must expand.   Who'll protect us from our protectors and their increased power?  "Absolute power corrupts absolutely."    Trust in government is a fool's folly.

MeelionDollerBogus's picture

It's a good thing John McCain wasn't calling Al Qaeda aka Al CIA-da in Syria.

Oh wait...

Duc888's picture

"Speaking of the end of the world. I heard the butcher of Benghazi, Hillary Clinton, is running for the 2016 presidency of Washington D.C."


What difference does it make?


LOL, Sorry, I had to do it...


Meet the new shit bag, same as the old shit bag.

Duc888's picture

No shit. 


It's a jobs program.  That's why you'll never see an end to the WOD.  Jobs.


terror (or implied terror) = jobs

"illegal" drugs = jobs

Corporate prison system = jobs

Police, to protect ourself from ourselves, = jobs  a simple revenue stream.

q99x2's picture

If terrorism won't work they'll F'n nuke everyone.

Speaking of the end of the world. I heard the butcher of Benghazi, Hillary Clinton, is running for the 2016 presidency of Washington D.C.

The Heart's picture

THIS, Lightbrigader is the best scaremonger of all!!!!!!!!!!

RADIATION. It's so gooooood for you....and...this will NOT hurt you at all.

Drink yup the hot particles that are not there!

Now lets see, who's profiting today?


And...oh wow...that there man made Geo-engineered storm is sooooooooo's nuke Iran today.

Distraction...distraction...false flage event...distraction...major earthquake from the bush tsunami maker...distraction...false flage event...distraction....distraction...profit?


/sarc off.

Prayers for the dying.:




Burticus's picture

That ain't terror!  Terror is systematically dismantling the Constitution, then shredding & wiping with the Bill of Rights...and The People in the process.

Terror is leaving a 2,000 mile border wide open for 30 years, allowing 20 million anonymous foreigners to invade, while groping our women and irradiating our children when they travel between states.

Terror is ordering 2 billion rounds of ammo and 2,700 armored vehicles to be used on The People.

Terror is spying on The People's phone calls, e-mails and text messages and surveilling them with cameras everywhere and drones.

Terror, thy name is Washington, District of Corruption!

Got rope?!

WarPony's picture

The 2700 armored vehicles (MRAPs) was just DHS, but don't forget the untold MRAPS supplied on top of the 2700 by the good ole DOD - an untold number.

Withdrawn Sanction's picture

Shrill shills....say that one 10 times fast.

OwnSilverPlayMusic's picture

Ron Paul continually pointed this out at every debate (that he was invited to).  I'm not defending the media at all but to quote George Clinton. "Give the people what they want, when they want and they wants it all the time"

Bunga Bunga's picture

FBI replaces "Law Enforcement" with "National Security"

Looks like they dropped the law.

Bastiat's picture

Frame-ups, cover ups, black ops and goonery.

Ignatius's picture

Motivations that come to mind are,  1) bigger budget potential in "national security",  2) turf protection to counter rising DHS and,  3) drop the law without a blush in the pursuit of euphamistic 'national security' (as you mentioned).

The national security state is circling the wagons.

ebworthen's picture

Peter King has to be one of the most bloated egotistical blowhards in the CONgress.

If it weren't for CONgress he'd be knocking heads for the Irish mafia in Boston.

assistedliving's picture

Peter King?...isnt he related to Don King?  Second cousin of Whitey Bulger?  No one can extort CONgress like PeKing duck

to payoff his constituents and get re-elected

The Heart's picture


Canadian Medical Association Journal Blasts Japanese Government: "Culture of Coverup" Exposing Japanese Citizens to "Unconscionable" Radiation Risk:

Skeena Sockeye Fishery Closed Due to Low Returns:

Sockeye Fisheries Closed Following Historic Lows In Skeena River, B.C.:

(SitNews) Thorne Bay, Alaska – Due to a low sockeye return, the US Forest Service Thorne Bay District Ranger is acting immediately to protect sockeye salmon in the Hatchery Creek drainage on Prince of Wales Island:

Diseased Alaska seals tested for radiation:

"There was not one of the 28 days on that portion of the trip when we didn't catch a good-sized fish to cook up and eat with some rice," Macfadyen recalled. But this time, on that whole long leg of sea journey, the total catch was two. No fish. No birds. Hardly a sign of life at all.":

Dead Sea Creatures Cover 98% of Ocean Floor Off California Coast; Up From 1% before Fukushima:

Japanese Senator: “The Path That Japan Is Taking Is The Recreation Of A Fascist State”

Japanese cars banned in Russia:



Joe A's picture

Here is something scary (if true): about how a Japanese doomsday cult with WWII roots controls the government there.

Radical Marijuana's picture

I suppose you were being sarcastic, The Heart, since I would not call reporting on the truth "scaremongering." Rather, it is about spreading frightening rumors, which are exaggerated, or false.

Fukushima being many times worse than Chernobyl is something which one should be rationally afraid of ... except that its longer term consequences are probably going to become so extremely bad that one is barely able to imagine how bad they are finally going to become! After all, those consequences have barely begun, so far ...

Fish Gone Bad's picture

When I ask reasonably smart people about Fukushima, they remember something happened there a long time ago... and that's pretty much it.  Well what about the Deep Water Horizon disaster?  That gets a blank stare.  When all the cancer starts showing up, no one will have a clue what caused it. 

Want your own little cursing fish?  Google: cafepress cursing fish

Radical Marijuana's picture

One of my favourite sayings is that

"A fish rots from the head."

In my opinion, the general stupidity was deliberately driven to develop by the ruling classes who have a great interest in making sure that it is possible for them to fool enough of the people, enough of the time.

Some New Year’s Observations

By George Mobus, January 1, 2014

"... The truth is I’ve grown weary of writing the same thing over and over again. Last year saw further declines in the natural environment, increases in extreme weather events, increases in conflict in the MENA region, the Middle East and North Africa, (and others to boot), more rapid depletion of fossil fuels, greater disparity between the top 1% and the poor, and on and on. The political and governance systems continued their disintegration. Corporations continued to make profits by replacing workers with automation. And the bankers and brokers continued to amass fortunes by swindling the rest of the world, and with the assistance of governments as well. In spite of the accumulation of evidence of decline, almost nobody is paying attention. ... My claim about stupidity rests on evidence ... Collapse won’t come everywhere at once. It will be sporadic, episodic, and chaotic. ... Given the current attitudes and moods of those in government (executive, legislative, and judicial branches all) for both federal and state, I think we will see a steady decline in rationality in governance in 2014. Greater polarization is just about guaranteed. ..."

That article understates the degree to which the denials and self-deceptions were driven through history of lies backed by violence.

That article appears as too confident about the linear notions of human beings being the primary, current causes of changing the Earth's climate ...

However, overall I think that it is quite correct regarding problems!

"...At the end of a missive of horror, one is expected to exhort all to change their ways to avoid the calamity. Or one is expected to offer a ray of hope. But I will fail those expectations. There is no hope for salvation for civilization. Collapse has to happen. ...


Even IF there were energy resources,
the fraudulent financial systems, and
generally insane mental attitudes, are
not able to implement better ecology,

since our real ecologies are controlled
by entrenched deceits via destruction,

towards electronically guided,
and atomic powered, collapse.

I believe that that will become so extremely bad that even the people at the very top of the social pyramid systems will be destroyed too. That is why I believe that their promotion of terrorism through false flag attacks, in order to advance their agenda, is criminally insane, because I believe that, despite them clearly winning at the present time, (since most of the public are mainstream morons, who have been effectively brainwashed to believe in bullshit, and who are deliberately ignorant and unaware, and/or have forgotten most of the kinds of environmental disasters that are accumulating) IN THE LONGER TERM, THINGS WILL BE DRIVEN TO BE SO BAD THAT THE COLLAPSES OF THE ESTABLISHED SYSTEMS WILL EVENTUALLY TAKE DOWN EVEN THE MOST WEALTHY AND POWERFUL PEOPLE, WHO OPERATE FROM WITHIN THE MOST PROTECTED ENVIRONMENTS, WHICH ENABLES THEM TO BENEFIT FROM THEIR EVIL DELIBERATE IGNORANCE THE LONGEST AND THE MOST ... COMPARED TO THE REST OF THE PEOPLE LOWER DOWN IN THE SOCIAL PYRAMID SYSTEMS.

Ignatius's picture

Terrorism is theater.

The Heart's picture

"Terrorism is theater."

Yo Igna.

The ongoing distractionary cover-up of the very most important issue on the planet earth is theater.

chunga's picture

This article makes me think of Ridge's resignation from "Homeland Security".

My recollection is vague; but I remember thinking to myself that certain others were concerned that he might not be able to handle the ugly truths out there.

New World Chaos's picture

Ugly truths like governments committing false-flag terrorism, so that they can then scaremonger about terrorism, and stampede the herd into the corral of history's worst serial killers... all in the name of safety?  Look at Operation Gladio.  That's just one they admit to. 

Here's an interesting article on numerological relationships involving 9/11, the 3/11 Madrid bombing, and the 3/11 Fukushima tsunami:

Either it's all coincidence (unlikely), or numerology is real (yeah right), or the world is secretly run by evil people who either believe in numerology or at least use it to give untraceable commands to minions.  Masons are in power everywhere.  Agency managers need to know that investigating certain mass murders is not a path to career advancement or even good health.  Media leaders need to know when to Get With The Program.  In that sense, numerology really does work.  Numerologically auspicious false flags are more likely to get the full weight of the system to push the hidden agenda.

chunga's picture

Yup, those ugly truths.

It was just a hunch I had about Ridge. I don't know much about the guy; but that's what I thought at the time.

The evil people gave him a peek down the rabbit hole and were not sure he was evil enough for the job.

edit: pretty thought provoking link. I'm more inclined to believe the numerology could be a method of communication as opposed to something mystical or supernatural.

There just seems to be an awful lot of coincidences with the numbers.

New World Chaos's picture

I'm inclined to agree re: Ridge.  He might also have been unhappy with the next stage of the agenda.  Nobody climbs the ladder like that and then quits to "spend more time with family". 

I'm surprised Ridge wasn't vetted sooner.  The puppetmasters don't usually let people rise that high unless they are reliable sociopaths.  Remember the real explosives the FBI "accidentally" put in the bomb that blew out the basement of the world trade center in 1993?  There were medals all around.  Michael Chertoff (then a US Attorney) helped with the coverup so the puppetmasters knew they could trust him to be head of Homeland Security.

As a reward for turning the DHS into an American Cheka working for Israel, Chertoff (a dual citizen) gets to loot America via kickbacks from the airport porno scanner industry.

chunga's picture

Chertoff is quite a guy.

Wasn't he the only US Attorney that didn't get sacked by the Clinton regime...only to "serve" later as "special counsel" on the Senate Whitewater Committee?

Whitewater afficianados KNOW that Whitewater Development Corp. WAS practically an exact blueprint for the sub-prime/real estate bubble pop/fraudclosure swindle.

The same bad actors pop up over and over again. Evil is the right word to describe these monsters. Pure, solid evil.

(in re: would have been a little too obvious if he'd been found rolled up in a carpet in Fort Marcy Park)

New World Chaos's picture

Quid pro quo.  It's a vast, interconnected, unfathomably intricate network of evil.  Think of a giant evil meta-brain that secretly rules the world. 

You might also be interested in the symbolism of the Kennedy assassination.  It may have been a Mafia/CIA hit but the numerology implies that the Masons set it up.  LBJ was a Mason.  There is ample evidence that he was involved in a deal to promote the NWO agenda and escalate Vietnam.

The Reagan assassination attempt had Masonic symbolism.  Bush Sr. was involved in the Kennedy assassination.  There's that web of evil again.  There is also a lot of satanic numerology out there.  The DC streets make a nearly complete pentagram to focus luciferian power into the White House.

These quick Google-grabs just scratch the surface.  A small taste of what's out there.  Illuminati occultists are stage-managing the Matrix.

chunga's picture

The links are popped but I'm kind of glad.

Humans, some of them at least, and their unique propensity for harboring malice bums me right out. In the end that will be our undoing.

We worked this weekend so Mrs. chunga is putting up with my guitar and we're drinking beer. I'm blocking that shit out of my head for now. :-)

stiler's picture

It seems one of their goals is the extermination of Christianity in the ME. Then on to other problem places.

therearetoomanyidiots's picture

Christians were thrown under the bus by Clinton when he bombed the Serbs.  

Four down arrows...too bad.  

Christianity could save us, hate that it's associated so heavily with Catholics, the real problem.  

WTFUD's picture

@ therearetoomany
You must be JOKING!!
Tony Blair converted to Catholicism. /sarc

MeelionDollerBogus's picture

Christians wiped out a lot of non-Christians, doing pure evil, and the world hasn't forgotten.
Nor has it received a due apology for the genocides.

stiler's picture

Yes, you are certainly right, "Christians" have killed many in the name of 'Love', like this gem.

It was a pope that killed more people in a single year than were killed by Rome in 200 yrs.

MeelionDollerBogus's picture

Let's not forget the North American indigenous peoples.

Did the Pope do that?

The fact remains most Christians don't even feel bad about it, even feel entitled to the spoils of the genocide, so for those who remain the anger is white hot all the time. ALL the time.

stiler's picture

Bush-Saudi oil connections ignored Xian's rights as well. I agree Catholicism is the problem.

geewhiz's picture

Catholicism has not lost the way because it never found it to lose it in the first place. I personally choose the Christ message, what I can extrapolate from whats left of it after politicisation and translation corruptions. The Fatherhood of God, the brotherhood of man, goodness, beauty and truth, and His example of never using wrongs to pursue rights. Even His direct apostles had trouble figuring out the message, its up to each person and his own free will and Sovereign self self to figure out the way forward. It's not in Machiavelli's manual for political "pragmatists", The Prince, that might get short term things done, but those seeds grow trees that bear no fruit. Values have become hidden, each person has to seek Truth for themself. For me the hardest question is what is the right way to push back, is it helping to spread the truth, so that the sleeping many will awaken, and starve the Beast? I wonder how many can awaken. In my own family there has been a seperation of the wrongdoers, confused and truthseekers. The truthseekers cooperate and tolerate the confused only when the wrongdoers are not around them to manipulate them. As for the wrongdoers, they are not "enemies" but they can no longer be as family or friend and have ceased to exist. My own experiences lead me to think it is inevitable that we will ultimately have to organize ourselves into tribes of values that we actually live by as individuals. I am seeing that happening in my world and have made a personal decision that no amount of material bling is going to make me sellout personal values for evils sake, and those are the people I want around me, as far as I'm concerned all others are quarantined and left in Gods care

Son of Captain Nemo's picture

Along with the fake pretext that spawned the "war on terror"... Economic espionage and how long it's been going on.;read=295913

Son of Captain Nemo's picture

And why Glenn Greenwald and "Mr. Ed" need to be questioned more acutely given the sources of money along the controlled leaks.

From Sibel Edmonds and Kevin Ryan.  In the ZH tradition -follow the money if you want the answers.

Andre's picture

Here's a question:

If it was OK for Daniel Ellsberg to go to Seymore Hersh of the New York Times who made a potful of money on the story and the book, why are we saying Ed Snowden, who (in effect) did the exact same thing, is suspicious?

For that matter, Hastings and Breitbart are dead and Snowden is exiled in Russia. Bradley Manning is in jail and Julian Assange is a permanent resident of the Ecuadorean Embassy in London. Sibel Edmonds is still alive and living in an English-speaking country. How is she still alive and free?

OK, that was two questions.

Son of Captain Nemo's picture


"^ed" you because you make valid point(s). 

Suffice it to say it depends on what rung of the ladder you are on and what compartments you belong to if you are inside the government.  Notice the use of the word "compartment" which is very significant to anyone who has ever worked in the IC or DoD.  I'm still struggling with how Ed Snowden received such a wide degree of latitude as an 8 year veteran (as far as we know) of the Fort ,especially meandering from server to server with a thumb drive to collect the information that he did. Trust me what he walked away with is very hard to do -take my word for it.  However when you look at PFC Manning and what he was able to pass along as such a young intelligence professional it is amazing that he was able to get the information outside the classified links and network that he did?

Maybe these agencies are simply that sloppy?  And if they they are that sloppy they certainly aren't any longer... But this comes with an increasingly heavy price and burden to all those intelligence professionals left behind who are exposed and who knowingly continue to take a paycheck knowing the duties they are performing compromise not only everyone else that they spy on but also themselves, their friends, family and colleagues.  And that the likes of Bill Binney who helped create what was once regulated ONLY for pin point foreign intelligence collection as of 12 years ago has been altered to conform to a mission that violates the roots of our most basic protections under the 4th and 5th Amendment(s).

Damage done and the debate is left up to the likes of you and me to peel through the layers and make rational decisions on the egregious abuse of power in violation to the rule of law which hopefully will change for the better as more of Greenwald's information continues to become available.

This is why I'm raising questions on Ed Snowden and the fact that he and Greenwald have all this information to entice us with in a piecemeal fashion.  Who's allowing this to happen?  Are there others within the Agency that have Ed Snowden's "back"?  Same applies to Bill Binney, Tom Drake and Russ Tice.  If anything happens to them have "grunts" that worked with the likes of them told the highest levels of government that if anything happens to ANY them, like the tragic end to Mike Hastings they ain't seen nothing yet?!...  All plausible I suppose. Let's hope that is the case and that that many inside the IC community have had it and are willing to expose these M-F'ing lawmakers in Washington for the treasonable offenses in the sanctity of our most basic legal protections and war crimes they continue to commit in our names.

My question as is Kevin Ryan's in writing his article is who is paypal's latest cash cow owner 'Omidyar'? And why haven't we heard of Glenn Greenwald's patronage to this guy in controlling the release of this information?

Guess time will hopefully reveal all of these question(s)?

All I can say is that I sure hope more veterans of the IC and DoD stop what they are doing and come to the collective realization what harm they have already done to their own integrity and Country by aiding and abetting a Government they know is violating the foundations of everything it stands for in both word and deed.