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".....and, class, Bath House Barry comes from one of those distant starz."
Beautiful...
If this guy ever became President it would be a clear signal that it is time to leave for your physical safety. Him and Peter King are cut from the same fascist cloth, the difference being, no one in the MSM talks about King running for President.
And now I would like to jump to another subject for thought. Why do you think it is suddenly OK to smoke pot? What has changed that silenced the lobby that fought effectively for years to keep it illegal. I have been thinking about this and it ain't pretty.
"Why do you think it is suddenly OK to smoke pot?"
One reason i'm thinking is if you have a Medical Card you can't possess a firearm
"And now I would like to jump to another subject for thought. Why do you think it is suddenly OK to smoke pot? What has changed that silenced the lobby that fought effectively for years to keep it illegal. I have been thinking about this and it ain't pretty."
My best guess its just a Marie Antoinette, "Let them eat cake". Legalize Pot to distract the masses from the real problems. Perhaps they believe is the public is doped up they can strip away their remaing rights without a protest. The other part is probably to reduce costs associated with drug enforcment and re-allocate law enforcement to focus on the Tea Party and other libertarian movements.
I'd say that legalization is just another case of government doing something after the fact once the generational/educational change has occurred.
Kinda like how they ban things (smoking/trans fats) after most everyone else has already decided for themself that they are not healthy.
As for the War on Drugs, well, we've got the War of Terror now to fill any police-state void.
It's money--tax it. And, it's the natural result of the power held by the 'me' generation. Morality and family and values have been sufficiently erroded by that generation to this point that it's not surprising. I have no interest in it as a recreational drug. I think it does have medicinal benefits, and I wish we could make use of the hemp plant for things like paper, linen, and ethanol.
Hmmm. I can think of one thing that explains this:
And the answer is in another headline article on ZH. Look at the graphs.
http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2014-01-08/clear-evidence-qe-fails-...
We know that pot makes people lazy, horny, and stupid. This is a problem when national productivity is the overriding consideration. But since the crash there are no new jobs. And there aren't going to be any in the future, either. Employment has barely kept up with population, and even that probably won't last. Permanent unemployment isn't such a problem anymore if the youth are all stoned, because that way they won't be complaining about the lack of jobs or food. Who knows - 10 years from now the Gubbermint might be handing out free weed brownies to keep the sheeple stoned.
Be safe, grow yer own!
How about it is a tactical retreat in defense of their narrative.
One component of the narrative is claims of "the american people don't support..." or "american values...". These narrative supporting lies lose traction when reality contradicts. I sincerely doub't that the majority of americans support criminalization and in face of all the other narrative lies that are being exposed they are being forced to tighten the front line.
William, I am surprised that you would phrase your question the way you did. The answer is that it has always been OK to smoke pot. That being said, what does that mean? Should you smoke pot and try to fly an airplane? Probably not the best idea. Should you drink a fifth a whisky and try to fly an airplane? Probably not the best idea. We all remember the 19 rum and Coke airlines pilots from 1990 right? OK, perhaps we do not all remember that incident.
People are going to do stupid things regardless of any sort of drugs being involved legal or illegal. I have smoked pot off and on since the early 90's. When I was younger, I might have a hard time finding it but it is pretty easy to find at least some schwag, if you really want to smoke that shit, these days. For those who do not know what schwag is, it is bud that looks and smells good, but is only marginal in THC content. From what I hear, schwag is what the .gov is allowing to be sold in places like Colorado and at higher price than even Premium black market bud. Here is the market, Mexican schwag is $100-200 an ounce and CND Premium is $400-$600 an ounce but I am sure that varies by region.
CND or even locally grown premium is well worth the expensive price tag because one ounce lasts a very long time. Anything more than one hit for me is crap weed. It was the private black market plant breeders who came up with these high THC plant strains. This is not 1960's Woodstock or even 1980 Cheech and Chong pot I am talking about here. I know a lot of folks who smoke weed of one sort or another. The biggest network I came across was in my involvement in politics! I will not say any more about that at this time.
Obviously some .gov types figured out the fact that they can fund pork programs if they legalize and tax in their respective districts or states. I believe it is a good thing that some U.S. states are legalizing pot but there is still the federal issue. I sure as hell am not going to give my ID to anyone that is trying to sell me schwag weed as a state authorized dealer. I don't need weed of any sort and I have not toked in six months. I will fire up again and when I decide to do so it will be in private.
Perhaps we thought of it as OK. But the pigs running the farm certainly did not treat it as such.
I am more than willing to hear what you have in mind William. You have a point that you wish to make and there is no reason for me to doubt you Sir. You know how to find me.;-)
Hagiography anyone?
Pot doesn't pay (launder) as high as other contraband commodities, and a bundle of bogus mortgage paper doesn't alert sniffer dogs. It ain't easy being green...
What has changed that silenced the lobby that fought effectively for years to keep it illegal
Could it be the emergence of Bitcoin and other crypto currencies as a threat to the centralized illegal cash economy based around narco-trafficking?
Kind of like the IRS (aka the FED's collection agency) probably had a lot to do with ending Prohibition and centralizing the capture of that lost revenue for the parasites...perhaps this time it's not so much the need to centralize (as the bankster criminals are firmly in control and integrated into that economy, recall: Wells Fargo, HKSB money laundering) as it is to avoid a new de-centralization and loss of control under currencies like Bitcoin?
most excellent point. in fact, cryptos may have been the straw that broke the camel's back.
If ever there were a substance that bred apathy, pot is it. Plus, it makes everyone feel like they are suddenly more free. Two birds, one stone.
Hardcore stoners are lethargic. Others, however, simply become immersed in things they find enjoyable. Less certainly becomes more. Anyone who has blown a joint and watched the sun set to music knows this sensation.
The perfect scenario for the phat greedy pigs that run the funny farm. Anything to buy more time.
"Hardcore stoners are lethargic. Others, however, simply become immersed in things they find enjoyable. Less certainly becomes more. Anyone who has blown a joint and watched the sun set to music knows this sensation.
The perfect scenario for the phat greedy pigs that run the funny farm. Anything to buy more time."
Yes and no. I've known a lot of "hardcore stoners" who go to work everyday, on time everyday and do their jobs well. They smoke a joint in the morning, they smoke a joint at lunchtime and they earn a decent living doing whatever they do. Now of course when you pit the stoners against the meth-fucks and the Wall Street white powder army I suppose the outcome looks a little lopsided.
I personally believe that busting citizens for grass has just become too fucking expensive even for the USA: why let Mexicans and Central Americans reap all the benefits for something that grows well and sells well in the US? Fuck NAFTA.
By the way if you really like your maryjane avoid France which remains the Land of No Mercy for tokers...
William, I become more creative when I smoke a little bit. You can see that in Boatng Accident over the last six months. I become more sullen and vitriolic when completely sober. That said, there is no reason to get stoned out of one's mind.
Some people choose abstinence and are just fine with it. I have no problem with their decision to do that which they see fit for themselves. If you do not want to smoke or drink then simply do not do so. I will admit these cigarettes have been a bit of a problem for me but weed has never even entered the equation.
Weed is not going to buy any more time for anyone. The market was already there legal or not. In fact, if weed has done anything, it has been to unite some strange politcal bedfellows and whether or not that is a good thing and is worthy of debate.
Mrs. M HATES weed but can not explain why. She has never smoked it so how would she know? I know full well how this arguement goes. If you do not want to smoke then don't smoke. I seriously doubt that Orwell would give much credence to weed as the path to destruction of humanity. If I want to smoke good weed then I will do so on my own terms. I do not need the state involved.
I agree with you that it won't change anything. But that is not necessarily how they are running their flawed calculations. If anything, weed causes people to become more amenable to change.
street drug use, I have never met anyone who came away from drug use a better person, only caused themselves and loved ones hurt and harm..I do not support drug laws, live and let live, but life without a dulled CNS, might be a better life.
Lethargy too can be useful...if it means disengagement from a corrupt system. IOW, while I think you're right about the "buy more time" idea, that knife cuts both ways. Also, the contemplation aspect you refer is similarly useful in this connection, esp if those others you refer to reflect on the insanity of our current circumstances. Revolutions can be quiet.
Love your art, man.
It is more fun to think about this than the phat phuck depicted above ;-)
christie isn't much different than obama. now gates is saying obama didn't support the war in afghanistan, and simply wanted to wind it down, well hell, isn't that why he was elected? if i was obama i would only have to apologize for letting gates stay around. NOBODY wanted those stupid fucking wars, now its obama's problem that he didn't support them? (when we all think he supported them way too much, with drone strikes and the like)
obamas problem is he thought he could negotiate with these people, and in the interim sold out his constituents, especially when he looked the other way on financiel crimes, i keep seeing this pattern with democrats and republicans, democrats want to appease, and republicans love the double cross. neither side is worth the fissionable matter to blow them to hell
You say that as if puppets actually think or have power. Obama does what he's told by TPTB. That is all.
this is perhaps a more complicated question than i can address
but first off there is the taxes. then there is all the criminals
have all the income which doesn't do much for the economy in general.
then there is the fact that stoned faces don't lie or plot
or criticize as much as non stoned faces, they also consume more
shit food in america anyway, and like it. then there is the
potential of poisoning them with bad product and removing them
from the population when the commercial growers get finished
industrializing the product. then there is the fact that it
is a weed and is useful as hell in the products potentially
derived and it makes no sense whatsoever to criminalize the
god given plant that out founding father's sustained themselves
by.
then there is the future alien invasion scam that will be
used to justify god knows what and the stoned faces will
be on the cutting edge of appreciating that meme?
not that we don't live among the celestial travelers.
all pure guess work on my part.
.
The Bottle Rockets - Stoned Faces Don't Lie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYOvpeLdOB4
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and the medical stuff ...
and, it is getting really hard to have any fun
anymore without any money
most excellent discussion everyone, thanks for bringing it up bill. as a believer1 in legalization for years, now and how it's happening, leads me also to be cautious as to the reason why. especially since, under the surface, prohibition was not about saving the innocents the evil "marijuana" at all.
for me, the key will be how 2 aspects will be regulated (or not): (1) industrial hemp, (2) grow your own.
personally IF i were to ever have an opportunity to do so, i would not smoke any of the shit coming out of a legal dispensary unless i actually met the grower and saw with my own eyes how those plants were being grown and do a thorough investigation of where those seeds came from. and i must likely would not smoke it all, but buy some oil and cook up a tasty pasta sauce, as smoking is actually the worst way to ingest the plants from a medicinal POV. (hint, cancer "cure"/prevention)
1believer : alt definition : someone who has faith in a cause without thoroughly considering all the ramifications.
I get the sense that you and the Mrs have a good recipe...
not yet, but i'm sure Jamie Oliver will come up with something ;~)
Well if you do, there is a lot of money to come up with a mixture that does not smell as bad as the existing ones. The smell is so strong here in WA that you can smell it from many yards away, far more than a cigarette.
I am for it but I find the smell really offensive. Plus this world is filled with such idiots just looking for a reason to be more idiotic and to impose on others more, I shudder on the time when dope smoking becomes more mainstream.
chamomile & mugwort blend is good
Smoking? With respect, that's so Nineties.
Vaping is the 'green' way to consume legal herb.
Google 'pax vaporizer' ...
yeah, i know about vaping, though in my case, it's used to help control my addiction to another plant drug, this one perfectly legal, as long as you don't do it in restaurants or bars or city parks, that is. the thing with vaping is that it's like mainlining a substance directly into the lungs -- 'tis quite a powerful delivery device. hence, the caution to know precisely the composition & quality of substances that you are placing in the chamber.
still prefer the processing of cannabis through the digestive tract. much gentler, so happier for me.
full disclaimer: this is all hypothetical of course...
Soma for the masses... (Brave New World)
Simpler explanation is possible. Same as with gay marriage, it could be just generational turnover. Re: legalization of mj, the young skew heavily for, and the old heavily against. As the latter die off, the referenda start to pass. No big conspiracy.
Stonerhood cuts different ways regarding the powers that be. On the one hand, stoners are quiescent, and being stoned becomes the meaning of otherwise meaningless lives, after religion, family, and tradition, and politics lose their grip. On the other hand, stoners are fairly useless. The powers that be need active hands to fight their foreign wars, coerce their fellow citizens, etc. Why join the army and get some seargent in your face, when you can earn enough at Burger King to buy bud and nothing else matters? Also, mj contributes to the demographic decline of the white race, many of whom would rather be stoned and unconnected than raise children. Who will do the future ugly-work for white elites, if most of the white proles are stoned (and many of the brown ones too)?
"Also, mj contributes to the demographic decline of the white race, many of whom would rather be stoned and unconnected than raise children. Who will do the future ugly-work for white elites, if most of the white proles are stoned (and many of the brown ones too)?"
This is the one question that the massive propaganda from our educational system and entertainment industry is designed to prevent you from asking or thinking about.
More important still, how is it that our white elites who lack "the right of return" and are ineligible for a free pass on El Al back to the homeland, could feel safe in such a world? The layers of delusion born of this grand supercycle top (hundreds of years hence to be recognized as a millenial wave top) are truly staggering.
In a world where robots can do most of the work and there are no jobs for anyone, it is best to keep as many people stoned as possible. Future US armies will be mostly robotic anyway. Keep the uppity youngsters stoned. It is for their own good.
That's exactly what they did in the book, Brave New World.
I think what we're seeing is just the baby boom generation reaching for one last brass ring before they become worm food. It was the white baby boom generation that brought rock-n-roll and marijuana usage to the national stage back in the 50's and 60's, (until then marijuana usage was limited to the Mexican and black populations), and now they just want to continue smoking marijuana without all the stigma attached to it.
When they were growing up they rebelled against the establishment and now they are the establishment and they're gonna legalize their generations drug of choice. As the boomers enter their golden years they don't want to have to buy their "herb" from some dark skinned drug dealer, they want to be able to purchase their drugs in a safe and comfortable dispensary.
The same will happen when the generation that popularized cocaine usage during the eighties and nineties start taking positions of political power in the next few decades.
Things change and people are becoming more liberal in their thinking. In the south it used to be against the law to open the local mall on Sundays or purchase booze on Sundays. That change in the eighties and the nineties brought about the legalization of gambling.
Did the states and the elites force this down the throats of the people or did they just see a way to take advantage of what the people wanted. Same with marijuana, the people of Colorado and Washington wanted legal pot, they voted for it and passed a law making the dispensing and possession of marijuana legal.
You wanted a libertarian world, you're probably gonna get it whether you like it or not.
i could see that but it is like icing on the
already baked soma cake.
I can agree with that, it's not going to make a more resistant or capable opponent.
What amazes me is that something relatively harmless (albeit producing a less productive nature), has been villified so much, yet dangerous mind-altering substances are perfectly legal. I would guess your ideas as to why the changing oulook, are all correct. Passivity is going to be a vital commodity while the rug is pulled from underneath. Peronally, I think it's the screen-based media and delivery service industries which have the most to gain.
Here, in the less tolerant state I live within, I still see junkies eveywhere. Gesture input + 3G/4G is the new opium. I seldom see resistance, or confrontations of any kind.
WB: Not meaning to pigeon-hole your nature, but as a creative adept, would you not class natural psychoactive drugs as a panacea for misguided aggression, a lack of creative thinking and mindless consumerism? A liberation from samsara?
not to mention the music today sucks
so much that this could be an emergency measure
to resuscitate the creative impulses and music
industry in general? guitar sales might see
a spike?
"not to mention the music today sucks" Not so fast, mi amigo. This is from 2005, not 1975. Every moment a lifetime from "Living Loud". If you're so inclined, you can drill down into who Living Loud actually was, they did an album as an experiment. I s'pose it failed commercially, but that is inconsequential- to me at least.
Enjoy. http://www.last.fm/music/Living+Loud/_/Every+Moment+A+Lifetime
I have 2 Made in Japan knock around Strats, a Will Ray Tele (also Made in Japan) and an Ibanez George Benson (Made in Japan). If I had room for a piano it would be a Yamaha.
The Japanese know how to make instruments.
My piano is a Wurlitzer, yeah, I know, but I got it for free, if you discount the $200 (us) for moving it. Turns out, it's damn cool for a spinet. Built in the 50's, it didn't even need a tuning after the move. That's what I call tight.
A good piano is built like a tank.
"not to mention the music today sucks
so much that this could be an emergency measure
to resuscitate the creative impulses and music
industry in general? guitar sales might see
a spike?"
Nice one blindman and so true.
Judging from what Fender and Gibson have been doing with high end signature offerings to Porsche owners, I think the American guitar industry is probably doing fine. The legacy music industry is another matter.
Just so you know, I noodle a Yamaha. Their instruments are highly underrated, afaic--- therefore a good bang for the buck.