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Obama and NSA to the American People (and Congress): F@ck Off

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Americans want NSA spying reined in.

But a poll from November showed that only 11% of Americans trust Obama to actually do anything to rein in spying.

We were right to be skeptical

Today, Obama announced his fake “reforms” … and he’s not doing anything but putting lipstick on the same ‘old pig.

The New York Times notes that Obama’s “reform”:

Largely codifies existing practices.

The Times points out that the reform is meant to placate NSA critics, without actually challenging national security agencies:

The emerging approach, described by current and former government officials who insisted on anonymity in advance of Mr. Obama’s widely anticipated speech, suggested a president trying to straddle a difficult line in hopes of placating foreign leaders and advocates of civil liberties without a backlash from national security agencies. The result seems to be a speech that leaves in place many current programs, but embraces the spirit of reform and keeps the door open to changes later.

The Times includes a revealing quote:

“Is it cosmetic or is there a real thumb on the scale in a different direction?” asked one former government official who worked on intelligence issues. “That’s the question.”

The answer should be obvious.

This is – once again – Obama saying “trust me” … without changing anything.

Obama has repeatedly promised to change policies started in the Bush administration. But – instead of reforming them – he’s reaffirmed them … and made them worse than ever.

Obama and the NSA have lied over and over again.  They have told the American people (and Congress) to f@ck off.

The real message they are sending is:

We hold the power …  So we’re going to keep doing what we want, and you can’t do anything to stop us.

And see this.

NSA to Congress: F@ck Off

We’ve shown that the NSA has been spying on Congress for some time.

The NSA has never denied that it’s spying on Congress.  Instead, the NSA first said:

Members of Congress have the same privacy protections as all US persons.

And Friday, NSA chief Keith Alexander wrote a letter to Senator Bernie Sanders saying that the NSA cannot reveal whether the agency has been targeting members of Congress in its metadata collection because doing so would violate privacy provisions accorded to civilians in the program:

The telephone metadata program incorporates extraordinary controls to protect Americans’ privacy interests.    Among those protections is the condition that NSA can query the metadata only based on phone numbers reasonably suspected to be associated with specific foreign terrorist groups.  For that reason, NSA cannot lawfully search to determine if any records NSA has received under the program have included metadata of the phone calls of any member of Congress, other American elected officials, or any other American without that predicate.

Sanders

 

This is the exact same excuse the NSA and other intelligence agencies have previously given for hiding how many Americans they spy on.

As Wired reported last June:

The surveillance experts at the National Security Agency won’t tell two powerful United States Senators how many Americans have had their communications picked up by the agency as part of its sweeping new counterterrorism powers. The reason: it would violate your privacy to say so.

 

That claim comes in a short letter sent Monday to civil libertarian Senators Ron Wyden and Mark Udall. The two members of the Senate’s intelligence oversight committee asked the NSA a simple question last month: under the broad powers granted in 2008′s expansion of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, how many persons inside the United States have been spied upon by the NSA?

 

The query bounced around the intelligence bureaucracy until it reached I. Charles McCullough, the Inspector General of the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, the nominal head of the 16 U.S. spy agencies. In a letter acquired by Danger Room, McCullough told the senators that the NSA inspector general “and NSA leadership agreed that an IG review of the sort suggested would itself violate the privacy of U.S. persons,” McCullough wrote.

In other words, the NSA is sending the same message to both the American people and their representatives in Congress:  f@ck off.

 

 

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Thu, 01/16/2014 - 15:30 | 4338587 the grateful un...
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and how do they get probable cause? by sweeping data records of members of congress. this is the left hand saying we dont' know who or what will come up in our sweep, we aren't targeting you personally, which we know is a lie, of course they profile users. this is like the police saying we don't use racial profiling. racial profiling means they have to find an excuse to pull over the black guy. finding dirt on your political opponent would be a lot easier and cleaner than orchestrating a traffic jam. the real issue is, when the NSA finds something on a high official, like say something that would impeach the president, and they sit on the information, isn't that a crime too? 

Thu, 01/16/2014 - 14:12 | 4338365 zebrasquid
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Anyone left who still thinks that elections don't matter ?
Romney, though not a great man, was the better choice, by a mile.
Not voting against Obama last time around was a vote for tyranny.

We get one last chance this November. Throw out all incumbents will bring in a chance for change. Cynicism is suicide.

Thu, 01/16/2014 - 15:27 | 4338578 Ms. Erable
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Throw the bums out, write your congresscritter, protest, be active in local politics, blah, blah, blah. How's that been working out so far? Blue, red, red, blue - different jerseys, same league. That you think Romney would be doing a better job is risible - we'd still have to deal with NSA, IRS, FBI, CIA, EPA, and LEO agency enforcers using their power to keep the little people in line, doing what we're told, surrendering our rights, killing us, and stealing our wealth, all under color of authority.

Wake up: THERE IS NO POLITICAL SOLUTION TO BE HAD WORKING WITHIN THE SYSTEM. The entirety of the machinery of state has been captured by enemies of the people, safeguarded by THEIR courts (open and secret), kept in place and expanded by unelected bureaucrats, and the faces you see ARE NOT IN CHARGE OF ANYTHING. It's an out of hand, unaccountable criminal gang, raping, pillaging, and killing whatever, whoever, wherever and whenever they desire.

You want to vote? Go ahead. My vote is: ROPE 2014, because the fuckers won't hang themselves.

Thu, 01/16/2014 - 14:04 | 4338350 Angelo Misterioso
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What we are looking at on all our TV sets is a man who finally, after 24 years of frenzied effort, became the President of the United States with a personal salary of $200,000 a year and an unlimited expense account including a fleet of private helicopters, jetliners, armored cars, personal mansions and estates on both coasts and control over a budget beyond the wildest dream of King Midas . . . and all the dumb bastard can show us, after five years of total freedom to do anything he wants with all this power, is a shattered national economy, disastrous defeat in a war we could have ended four years ago on far better terms than he finally came around to, and a hand-picked personal staff put together through five years of screening, whose collective criminal record will blow the minds of high-school American History students for the next 100 years.

  • Rolling Stone #144 (27 September 1973)

Hunter S Thompson discussing Richard Nixon...

Thu, 01/16/2014 - 13:54 | 4338312 thefirstabomb
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it's impossible to trust government when they are caught lying over and over and over again.  Just leave everyone alone.  Real defensive military, courts to protect property rights, and subsidize healthcare and education.

A big shocker, they lied about Benghazi (like no one already knew that) we finally get the proof now that it is declassified 

http://dhnnews.com/unclassified-testimony-regard-benghazi-contradicts-wh...

Thu, 01/16/2014 - 13:17 | 4338190 Fishhawk
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Obama is president of the US federal corporate government, with exclusive jurisdiction over Washington, DC and all those citizens pledged to the US federal debt, ie, the debt slaves, identified by their status as 'US citizens' (their trust domiciled in DC).  This corporation is outside the Constitution, it operates on Lex Mercatoria.  Keep it straight.

 

Fishhawk

Thu, 01/16/2014 - 12:46 | 4338074 shutupnsing
Thu, 01/16/2014 - 12:20 | 4337996 PR Guy
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The guys in this animation know what the NSA are up to!

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHQ4T8nfq0w

 

Thu, 01/16/2014 - 11:40 | 4337864 Everybodys All ...
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The only way it appears possible to stop Obama is for Congress to stop funding his government programs. Since the oppostion is spineless in this regard Obama will continue to trample the separation of powers and hence the Constitution. A constitutional crisis is at hand.

Thu, 01/16/2014 - 13:17 | 4338182 akarc
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 "A constitutional crisis is at hand."

The deterioration of the constitution has been going on for years. Obama's predecessor and chief social engineer, Cheny, accelerated it and Obama has picked up where the last administration left off.

But again, the war on the constitution has been going on since the constitution was ratified. To myopically blame it's decay on any one president or congress does nothing but shift the blame from where it belongs. "US"!  It is totally irresponsible, myopic, and ignorant to place the blame anywhere else. Doing such does nothing but give each individual an out to escape the personal blame and responsibility for our current worsening situation. 

Until the people learn we are all in the same freaking boat, conservative, progressive, black, white, brown, christian, jew, male, female, whatever we remain prey to the tactics the NSA is well schooled and are replicated so often here on this site, i.e. "Divide and Conquer."

 

The end result, we become the victims of our fears, ourselves. Wake the fuck up! Or are you too a tool of totaltarianism disquising yourself as a patriot!

 

Thu, 01/16/2014 - 11:03 | 4337741 Rising Sun
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Barry needs to get "Kennedy'd"

Thu, 01/16/2014 - 13:20 | 4338206 Toolshed
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I am sure by "Kennedy'd" you mean he needs to find a hot blonde starlet to get rid of the awful "Michelle" aftertaste.

Thu, 01/16/2014 - 12:13 | 4337973 nuclearsquid
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Drunk?

<I am trying to help you>

Thu, 01/16/2014 - 10:37 | 4337629 MickV
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NSA files opposition to motion for discovery, saying that the lawyer (Klayman) may be a national security risk and may be being spied on, so his discovery should not be granted. I kid you not. The Marxist Progressives (leaning forward) will double, triple and quaduprle down on any lie they tell.

 

http://www.birtherreport.com/2014/01/klayman-vs-obama-opposition-to-halt...

 

Thu, 01/16/2014 - 11:26 | 4337809 akarc
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As if the NSA gives a fuck about the "Birther Report".  Other than I suspect it's ongoing agenda to trade on ignorance using hot topic emotionally charged button issues to further divide the people. They thanks you for your participation.

 

Thu, 01/16/2014 - 15:12 | 4338511 MickV
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Moron,

The President is not a legal entity. That has implications beyond a "hot button issue" it is a matter of US Citizen sovereignty, and adherence to the Constitution, which is the law of the Republic. Any equivication is relativism and the sign of a weak mind.

I don't care if he is "black" (he's mostly Asian anyway). I do care that he was born with allegiance outside of this country-- which is obvious to any right thinking person-- and his NON allegiance and attachment to the United States.

Thu, 01/16/2014 - 10:59 | 4337720 shovelhead
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You almost have to admire the balls of a lawyer that has to plead that reason to deny Klayman's discovery.

It's simply breathtaking.

 

Thu, 01/16/2014 - 10:26 | 4337584 Duude
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The media largely have Obama's back on most every issue. He knows that and its only because of that will he continue down this path. The day CNN, NBC,CBS, and ABC turn on him we'll see him back down. That would be a huge story in itself, but even that would be drowned out by a competing story highlighting flying pigs.

Thu, 01/16/2014 - 10:13 | 4337540 esum
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congess has the constitutional checking power but wont use it.... no leadership and no balls.......

Thu, 01/16/2014 - 10:42 | 4337652 MickV
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Congress has committed treason by allowing a non natural born Citizen to attain the Presidency (Obama was born British, thus is not a natural born Citizen, as required by A2S1C5). They all know that he is not eligible, so they protect their treason, and Obama actually has them by the balls. Why do you think that Congress wants to reduce the penalty for treason?

 

http://freepatriot.org/2013/12/18/democrats-propose-end-death-penalty-fe...

 

Of course that would take an amendment, not a congressional bill--- not like anyone in congress cares about the Constitution.

Thu, 01/16/2014 - 13:32 | 4338232 Toolshed
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I think we can all agree that Obungstuffer is a total POS, however the second you birthers start your babbling about his citizenship, the vast majority of people stop listening/reading at that point. If you want ANY credibility at all, you need to stop beating that dead horse and concentrate on one of the many, many, many other, widely recognized as legitimate, faults with the Turd in Chief and his band of cultist followers. I mean really. Oh, and by the way, providing links to far right nut job web sites doesn't help your position either. For crying out loud, try reading some of Edward Bernays works and improve your message and it's effectiveness. I can absofuckinglutely assure you your opponents have memorized every word the man ever put to paper.

Thu, 01/16/2014 - 15:11 | 4338525 MickV
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Ah I see the Obama Internet brigade of "fake conservatives" is out in force. It is not his citizenship, it is his natural born Citizenship which is the issue. Constitutional relativism is the death of the Republic--- but you already know that.

If there is no legal POTUS then there is no law--- since the POTUS is the executor of the laws. There is a reason that the NWO put him there-- and that was to void the Constitution. And there is a reason why the PTB are promoting other ineligible NON NATURAL BORN CITIZENS-- i.e Cruz, Rubio, Jindal and Santorum. It proves that the Rs are in on the NWO takeover also. They seem to think an ineligible POTUS is important.

Thu, 01/16/2014 - 10:32 | 4337609 akarc
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We The People are the government. We The People lack the balls.

Thu, 01/16/2014 - 10:46 | 4337672 shovelhead
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RIGHT ON!

More drum circles!

Thu, 01/16/2014 - 09:48 | 4337463 akarc
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We can bitch or we can do something

https://thedaywefightback.org/?r=eff

Thu, 01/16/2014 - 06:58 | 4337221 redd_green
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George, other people have said it above, but here again: You THINK CONGRESS is on our side?  heh,  get real.

Thu, 01/16/2014 - 09:51 | 4337472 akarc
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I believe that the issue may not be whether or not Congress is on our side. But just how powerful the NSA is.

Thu, 01/16/2014 - 09:46 | 4337457 satoshi101
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Yep, George Carlin said it many times "Its a CLUB and your not a fucking member"

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The US Congress is a puppet show for morons, no different than Bieber or Kardashian, or Oprah.

Thu, 01/16/2014 - 05:08 | 4337169 Kina
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NAS will be posting guards on American Concentration camps as they neccessarily mass execute person dangerous to the well being of the USA.

 

How quickly the US now heading down the same old path of 'governments' obssessed only with having total power over everything and everything forever.

 

NSA activites are quite obviously beyond the pale, even for a totaletarian country let alone the USA. That Obama is set on supporting these activities makes him just another piece of scum.

Thu, 01/16/2014 - 03:19 | 4337079 Bunga Bunga
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NSA remotely controls your PC, even if it was never connected to the internet:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/15/us/nsa-effort-pries-open-computers-not...

Thu, 01/16/2014 - 02:46 | 4337046 satoshi101
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J Edgar Hoover stayed in POWER for 50 years, cuz he had files on EVERYBODY,

Now ask yourself, ... how long can the NSA/CIA stay in power?

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Remember the CIA is scientology, and the NSA is mormonism, and both are joined at the hip, as CIA prefers to recruit mormon boys on bicycles in 3rd world country's.

The NSA/CIA are bat shit crazy assholes, that's why they hide in the dark, cuz out in public, they would be un-electable.

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NSA collects the data and CIA has the wet-op to do the kills and marriage made in heaven, all backed by the stupidest fucking religious nut cases in world history.

Thu, 01/16/2014 - 10:43 | 4337655 shovelhead
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The liberal left and their religion of Obama?

Thu, 01/16/2014 - 02:36 | 4337038 Barack Obama
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Do not go away mad, just go away.

Thu, 01/16/2014 - 02:09 | 4337009 the0ther
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Well what else do you expect GW? If Obama stood up to them he'd go the way of Kennedy.

Please tell Worf to fire a full barrage of photon torpedos at that faggot Keith Alexander's command center!

http://keithalexanderisgay.com

Thu, 01/16/2014 - 02:04 | 4337000 illyia
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Thanks for all the work you do to keep these issues current and front and center, GW.

You, no irony intended, are a true patriot.

 

Thu, 01/16/2014 - 01:40 | 4336972 Kprime
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congress doesn't just suck obama's drone, they swallow.

Thu, 01/16/2014 - 09:59 | 4337492 akarc
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And you really think any president has a clue as to real power of the NSA.  This has been going on for a very long time. 

Thu, 01/16/2014 - 00:49 | 4336889 Bunga Bunga
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Get over it, only a small portion of the German population got killed in Hitler's concentration camps. Keep your mouth shut, and you will be fine.

Thu, 01/16/2014 - 04:22 | 4337129 Terp
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Good thing the glorious allies picked up the slack and millons got killed in firebombings, refugee trek strafings and mass rape and pillaging.

 

 

Thu, 01/16/2014 - 10:40 | 4337643 shovelhead
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Yeah, but they were ubermenschen...

They could take it.

Thu, 01/16/2014 - 01:20 | 4336937 TheReplacement
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All it takes for evil to flourish is for good men to say nothing. - some old guy a long time ago.

Are you a good man or are you a brazen coward?

It is time to take to the streets.  It is time to talk to Occupy.  The so called leaders may be wackos but a lot of the regular people are just ignorant and upset.  Give them credit for understanding, before many of us here even, that something was really, really wrong.  They sort of seem to get what is wrong to the degree that the country has become fascist.  What they seem to fail to understand is that the government that is fascist too and giving more power to the government only leads to more fascism or some other terrible ism that lets the elite abuse the common.  We need to educate the people face to face.  They are looking for some solutions and we know the answers.  They are motivated where we are, well to be polite, intellectual. 

The time to be motivated is now.

Thu, 01/16/2014 - 10:06 | 4337518 akarc
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" We need to educate the people face to face.  They are looking for some solutions and we know the answers.  They are motivated where we are, well to be polite, intellectual. "

It maybe that many in Occupy could educate "us" in the ares where the rubber hits the road, courage, self sacrifice and becomng martyr's for a citizenry who could care less many of whom sat in their recliners watching the news going, "beat that hippie trash!" 

"The time to be motivated is now." Has long since passed. Could be "now" again. But recent history would suggest as the people have done little in the past they will do little now.  YOu are left to take indiviudal action. Expect little thanks and less support for your efforts.  
Thu, 01/16/2014 - 09:28 | 4337403 Withdrawn Sanction
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"It is time to take to the streets."

Lead the way, Sargent Provacateur.  

Thu, 01/16/2014 - 02:09 | 4337010 OldPhart
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I'm looking forward to the day when Occupy and the Tea Party realize they have aligned interests and unite.

Thu, 01/16/2014 - 02:35 | 4337036 TrulyStupid
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Yes... all we neeed is AIPAC to send Occupy on an all expense paid junket to the Dead Sea for a Skinny Dip....Get them on the Tea Party Program at the trough.

Thu, 01/16/2014 - 14:14 | 4338375 Blood Spattered...
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Not sure why everyone is downvoting this guy.  He's right.  Tea Partiers are now institutionalized and hooked on the gravy train of Washington DC, just like the Dems and GOP.  That's the problem with K Street and DC, once you are "in the club", resistance is futile.  That why I get a chuckle out of everyone clamoring for Liz Warren.  She's another fraudulent ideologist going through the same motions Barry did on his way to presidency.

The system is completely fucked, and cannot be changed from within.

Thu, 01/16/2014 - 10:08 | 4337522 akarc
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Chose your handle wisely grasshopper.

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 23:36 | 4336688 xavi1951
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Isn't this the second time that Obama said we make reforms?

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 23:48 | 4336720 xavi1951
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Getting better!  Only 4 self-cites in this one.

 

I have an idea for some investative jurnalism.  Preventive surgery.

Angelina J. had her breasts removed so she would not have to undergo cancer treatment later.(Debateable) And the media portrayed her as brave and enlightened.

The Obama care 'death panel' aka 'rationing panel' could save a lot money.

All women at age 40 have their breast, ovaries, and uterus removed to save money, by not having cancer treatment.

All men at age 40 have their prostate and testicles removed for the same reasons.

Just so everyone is on common ground, both sexes have their pancreas removed at age 40.  Absurd?

 

That could save a lot of money............

Thu, 01/16/2014 - 04:42 | 4337157 malikai
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Why bother with all that?

Just remove everyone's brain at childhood and they won't care if they get cancer.

Problem solved!

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