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NSA Propaganda Backfires … Public Trusts Government Less Than Ever
Americans have doubted the NSA – and Obama’s intention to rein in its spying – ever since the Snowden leaks started.
People didn’t buy Obama’s “big speech”. And see this.
Polls show that – even after the speech – Americans ain’t buying NSA’s claims.
Indeed, the only effect of the NSA and White House’s massive propaganda campaign is to destroy what little remaining trust the American people still had in their government.
Indeed, government representatives have been caught lying so often – and have so blatantly disregarded what people want to help out the fatcats – that very few people like their politicians, and people are more afraid of the government than of terrorists.
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I know what you mean, rlouis, that the last conspiracy theory that I want to believe in is that the Apollo moon landings that we saw on TV in the 1960s were fakes done for their propaganda value. However, the more that one is forced to face the fact that almost everything else the government does is based on huge lies, the more plausible it becomes that other things were too.
P.S.
One fun way that I have found to reconcile the idea that some aspects of the Apollo missions were faked is with the bigger notion that there were actually secret space programs, for which the public space program provided some cover. One of my favourite sayings I first heard repeated by Bill Cooper: "The lies are different at every level." If one entangles some sort of secret space programs around the public space program, then I find that is the best way to reconcile more of the apparent contradictions present in the official stories about the public space program. The more I have learned, the more I have tended towards the view that there are almost infinite tunnels of deceits regarding everything that the government does, with so many different layers to that onion that there is no realistic way to ever get to the core of it anymore. Indeed, I no longer believe that there is any one group of human beings that actually is at the top of a pyramid, that fully knows what is going on anymore ...
Http://www.vho.org/tr/2003/1/Rudolf75-81.html
Alternative view point.
Not taking sides on this. Still open with the whole idea but the guy makes interesting counter-points.
The NSA could have earned respect and admiration if they had gone after the banksters with all the tools at their disposal.
Economic terrorists that did more damage then any serial murder.
The Patriot act destroyed more of America than any two-bit towel head in an airplane ever did.
It is for your own safety, fuck me, did we puss out or what.
No "two-bit towel head in an airplane ever did" anything on 9/11/2001, which was an inside job, false flag attack. The Patriot Act was prepared to be made law before 9/11, by the people who secretly cooperated in enabling 9/11. Therefore, any "public trust" in government is grievously mistaken. The government, and the people that covertly control that government, are the worst terrorists, and far more terrible to comprehend than the patsies that were blamed for 9/11.
The NSA, like the CIA, are secret police that work for secret societies, that have applied the methods of organized crime to be able take control over the powers of governments. "National Security" has become psychotic. It has enabled the secret societies that covertly control the secret police to have unchecked power. Thus, the American Democratic Republic has already been destroyed. It is automatically going to get worse, faster. It has already become so obviously bad that more and more Americans are no longer believing in the bullshit that they are being told by the school systems and mass media. However, until enough Americans go THROUGH the looking glass of our Bizarro Mirror World, then they are nowhere close to being cynical enough.
Almost all the surviving and successful politicians have become puppets, performing for the muppets, by spouting bullshit. There are almost no politicians that are not systematically bribed and intimidated, because the few that were not able to be bribed or intimidated were assassinated instead. The government of the USA has ended up being the single biggest form of organized crime, and the worst terrorists, in the world, while there are no other groups which are not similarly different forms of organized crime, and lesser terrorists.
Although it is nice to see that the NSA's kinds of propaganda is finally backfiring, that has not yet gone remotely far enough. People need to stop being merely "cynical." They need to go through profound paradigms shifts to comprehend that, as citizens, they were always members of an organized crime gang, and because they did not understand that, they have allowed the best organized gangs of criminals to covertly take over nearly complete control of the powers of government. The fact that 9/11 was a SUCCESSFUL inside job, false flag attack, aided and abetted by the mass media, demonstrated how far gone the USA really was. The Patriot Acts were like some of the Crown Jewels of that process of psychotic national security, being covertly controlled by secret societies, legalizing the operation of secret police, to advance the interests of the secret societies, which had already about 99% privatized the powers of "We the People." The runaway, psychotic "national security" industry has become a hyper-complicated privatization of governmental powers to rob, and to kill to back up that power to rob. That has been on an exponential growth curve of being developed for more than a Century in the USA, but any more future doublings of that process has become very problematic.
The worst terrorists are the ruling classes of our society, who are fully engaged in class warfare, and who are very successful in doing that. Debt slavery backed up by wars based on deceits are the basic social facts. The NSA fits into that system, like the CIA did. Assertions about "national security" are now the cover to protect and enable the best organized gangs of criminals, who have covertly taken control of the sovereign powers which are supposed to be due to the collective will of "We the People," to be used to advance the interests of the private crime gangs that have been able to covertly take control over the money supply, and then leverage that up through domination of the funding of all other social institutions, such as the school systems and mass media.
That is getting to be so obviously and blatantly bad that more and more average Americans are starting to wake up to those basic social facts, and therefore, to no longer trust governments that they SHOULD NOT TRUST. However, almost no Americans have yet gone through the kinds of paradigm shifts of politics that they should go through, in order to move beyond mere cynicism, which still imagines some miraculous return to impossible ideals. What is truly needed is a series of profound paradigm shifts in the philosophy of science, in order to appreciate the degree to which the biggest bullies' bullshit social stories have been able to almost totally dominate civilization, and thereby transform that into becoming a Bizarro Mirror World, where the worst real terrorists are the people that covertly control the powers of governments, so that they can carry out successful assassinations and false flag attacks, which are then used as the the excuses to do things like pass the Patriot Acts into law, which Acts were about the most extreme examples of the Bizarro Mirror World at work yet, since the greatest of all traitors passed those Patriot Acts.
It is almost impossible to comprehend what going "forwardho" is going to really mean ... since it probably means the mass murder of many more people, by their own government, which they no longer control in any significant way, since the methods of organized crime have already been successfully applied for more than a Century to more and more dominate the political processes, and thus take over what the powers of governments actually did. However, AFTER one faces the magnitude of the social facts that the government of the USA is now almost totally based upon systems of legalized lies, backed by legalized violence, what one should finally do is STOP THINKING IN TERMS OF FALSE FUNDAMENTAL DICHOTOMIES AND THEIR RELATED IMPOSSIBLE IDEALS.
The fact that 9/11 was a SUCCESSFUL inside job, false flag attack, aided and abetted by the mass media, demonstrated how far gone the USA really was. The Patriot Acts were like some of the Crown Jewels…
The runaway, psychotic "national security" industry has become a hyper-complicated privatization of governmental powers to rob, and to kill to back up that power to rob…
…private crime gangs that have been able to covertly take control over the money supply, and then leverage that up through domination of the funding of all other social institutions, such as the school systems and mass media.
+QE1, QE2, Operation Twist, QE3/QEternity, Radical. One of your greatest! Deserves a repeat down the line.Thanks!
That makes no sense.
Banksters are part of those who finance and manage secret police surveillance planet Earth. NSA going after banksters? WTF
You couldn't have an agency remotely similar to NSA/GCHQ/etc without banksters. Have you any idea how expensive ELINT gear is? In the real world, a smartphone, for example, gets better with each new model because there are millions of people willing to buy one. So there's a legitimate commercial incentive to do R&D (and probably an even bigger one to steal your competitors' R&D) and turn out good kit.
Now look at ELINT gear... "They want 55 of them? And there's like 10 iPad's worth of brand new electronics in each one, plus half a million lines of propetiary code - almost none of which we can use in a commercial product next year? Fuck that! Tell 'em 2 million dollars a pop..... You're shitting me! They WILL pay that!"
But at what point does the NSA control the bankers? Total surveillance could be quite useful. Guns, guns are good too if you know who to point them at. I can only guess that the NSA has by now moderate control over global finances. Understanding the plan, maybe not so much. At this stage I wouldn't be surprised if it is now the bankers and politicians who have been setup as the patsies. The NSA could see all, know all, own all, and direct all, all by itself (and some help from Google, Cisco, Microsft... who WILL cooperate if they want to avoid a tragic company event).
Thanks George.
You are a true patriot.
I fear my government.
"I fear my government."
Respectfully, fuck that shit. Wary, yes. Vigilant, yes...always. But fear?
No. Not now. Not ever.
Especially now that we have them right where we want them, proven paranoid schizophrenics trying to improve on the Stasi model of people control and growing a "more comforting police state" for themselves.
Again, no disrespect...but fear should not be a part of our vocabulary.
Outrage should!!!
My rights (and yours) are not contingent on the whims & fancies of what ANY governmental body says they are on any given day, be it an idiot president, the congress or the judiciary.
I was born with mine and I'll die with them, sooner or later makes absolutely no difference to me.
well said nmewn. that's how they want us to feel, that's how terrorism works, that's how rights die
Gotta agree.
I ain't going nowhere.
I always aim for the guy with the radio.
You shall fear the lord GOD (Government Of Depravity). You shall serve and cling to it, and by its name you shall swear.
Paraphrased from Deuteronomy 10:20
Amen.
Praise the lord and pass the ammunition
"Sin has many tools, but a lie is the handle which fits them all." - Edmund Burke
How many sins concerning the American government do the lies cover? And when the government becomes a lie, the final paragraphs on America’s trust in its government are being written.
Representative government is dead and this is the end game. And the primary reason is that the international bankers eventually took over management and control of the nation’s political and economic systems.
One of the differences between now and America’s pre-Fed era was that the Rothschilds were stealing money and manipulating values, yes, but the monarchies were still in charge. The Rothschilds were not running the governments; they were colluding with the governments.
But the minute these western nations slipped under international banker control, the bankers weren’t colluding anymore; they were running the politicians and telling the governments what to do. They went into social planning as a way to make the people work hard while someone else got the results. But man wasn’t made to work hard and have someone else get the results. Man’s biology doesn’t work that way; he won’t produce under those conditions. Keynesian Fabianism, Socialism and Communist don’t work because they are anti-biology.
As a result, revolutions happen…tremendous depressions shake all foundations; and all goes out of control…
Exhibit A is Barack Obama.
Obama is that point at which America achieved complete chaos. The nation doesn’t have a rudder; it doesn’t have any solid place for people to stand. The minute that the people try to make something of themselves, the politicians pull the rug out from underneath them. No people can sustain a nation upon shifting sand.
Former Village Voice columnist and staff writer for 51 years, Nat Hentoff, said in an interview with World Net Daily a few hours ago that it is time to begin looking into the impeachment of Barack Obama, the most un-American president we’ve ever had – “the most dangerous and destructive president ever.”
What set this so-called liberal icon off was Obama’s use of executive orders to govern when he can’t convince Congress to do things his way.
As Hentoff told WND, “Apparently he doesn’t give one damn about the separation of powers. Never before in our history has a president done these things.”
Hentoff called this the worst state the country has ever been in, “Even worse than Woodrow Wilson’s regime, when people could be arrested for speaking German.”
“And just to make sure everyone knew how extremely serious he regarded the situation, the journalist added, ‘This is the worst state, I think, the country has ever been in…’”
http://www.wnd.com/2014/01/liberal-icon-urges-obama-impeachment/print/
Never before (since W Bush), but then Hentoff voted for Obumba and waved a flag for "hope and change."
When do idiots like Hentoff realize the president is nothing, its what doesnt get elected that matters.
"I didn't run for president for a bunch of fat cat bankers..." - Choomba silenced immediately thereafter
"Obama is that point at which America achieved complete chaos."
No, it is not. Nobody in this country, with the possible exception of a few who have been abroad, have ever seen "complete" chaos.
Complete chaos is only achieved when even those ostensibly in charge are not in charge, when their power to control extends no more than a few dozen miles.
Which would be an interesting state of affairs.
OK, I'm being pedantic, because this is a VERY good post. It's just - think about it. How much chaos is there really, when Jamie Dimon roams free in NY (not to mention John Corzine)?
Although I agreed with your counterpoint, Andre, that we have not seen anything yet regarding how bad it is probably going to get in the future, I also agreed with the overall thrust and gist of JR's comment. President Obama's use of executive orders manifests the trend of the exponential rate of destruction of the rule of law, which has been happening in America for more than a Century. Just like, under Obama, the total debt slavery will double everything that every President before him ever did, every other dimension that one looks at reveals the same basic pattern. Meanwhile, the destruction of the rule of law in the USA continues at an exponential pace, and therefore, you are right Andre, that we have not seen nothing yet, regarding what that could become like in the future, and that that could become way worse in the USA than it has ever yet been anywhere else before!
There is perhaps still some room left for the destruction of the rule of law to double again, after Obama ... However, for all practical purposes the American Democratic Republic is already dead, as JR stated, and thus the system is so far gone that impeachment of Obama is improbable, as well as not nearly enough to fix any of the deeper things which have gone rotten. In my view, most Americans that begin to wake up to the real social facts still tend to indulge in nostalgic nonsense about being able to go backwards, towards their own preferred old-fashioned religion or ideologies. However, the NSA is about using advanced electronics, and therefore, THEORETICALLY the better solutions should be consistent with the understanding that enabled that kind of advanced electronics to be developed. The bigger problem in the background is that the technologies are becoming trillions of times more powerful and capable, and perhaps headed towards becoming quadrillions of times more so, while the social purposes of the rulers, and those they rule over, are still extremely unadvanced.
One of the reasons why American banksters are now like a new royalty that are above the law, as well as above public protest, is that there are no ways that any significant group of Americans are able to agree on what they should do differently. Sure, it is easy to find enough Americans who agree with some kind of old-fashioned religion or ideologies, who recommend that America should somehow go backwards, to resolve problems such as the NSA illegally using the most advanced electronics imaginable to spy upon everything that can be spied upon. However, there is almost nobody who proposes changes that are consistent with that rapidly advancing technological capacity.
The NSA applies quantum mechanics to maintain a social pyramid system which depends upon lies and violence, maintaining ignorance and fear. That symbolizes all of the rest of the insane disjunctions between advances in science and technology NOT being applied to politics, because almost nobody is willing and able to go through the magnitude of paradigm shifts in the ways that they think about politics in order to begin to do that. Thus, Obama is a bankster puppet who is able to do his cake walk, like the banksters do, because they are mostly only up against controlled opposition groups, whose recommendations for "solutions" are axiomatically impossible, since those "solutions" almost always depend upon miraculously going backwards to old-fashioned religions and/or ideologies, as the source of the inspiration about what to do about the banksters, and their puppet politicians.
Excellent points.
One thing I did not make clear was my agreement with the post I replied to. My only quibble, and it was no more than that, is that if you can control it and direct it, it is not really chaos. It may feel like it to the victims, but it is really Hegelian (create the problem then propose the "solution").
Which is worse, chaos without leadership, or chaos deliberately created by leadership?
What is it but breakdown that Obama was trying to create on Martin Luther King Day?
When he said, “There’s no doubt that there’s some folks who just really dislike me because they don’t like the idea of a black President.”
And what did he mean when he told America’s youth that marijuana use is no more dangerous than alcohol when it is a gateway drug to hard drugs?
What did he mean when he said he was troubled by the disproportionate arrests and imprisonment of minorities on marijuana charges:"Middle-class kids don't get locked up for smoking pot, and poor kids do. And African-American kids and Latino kids are more likely to be poor and less likely to have the resources and the support to avoid unduly harsh penalties.”
This is the definition of deliberate breakdown; it’s Obama's latest deliberate blow against American culture. And what does he offer to replace it but chaos?
Your question looks like trick, JR, since it seems obvious that chaos deliberately created by leadership is way worse than chaos without leadership. After all, there is that well known saying "Order out of Chaos" which uses the basic dialectical process to advance an evil agenda systematically.
P.S.
http://https://soundcloud.com/am900chml/marijuana-policy-in-this?in=am900chml/sets/bill-kelly
Marijuana policy in this country could change
The Bill Kelly radio show, January 20, 2014, 17 minutes, at about 10:30 am, which recorded some of my views about those statements on marijuana made by Obama.
I was surprised, given how well you seem to research and report on most other topics, JR, that you would imply the quite discredited notion that marijuana is a gateway drug has some validity. However, meanwhile, I continue to agree with your overall view that things like Obamacare (and especially its Web site) look like they are so bad that they must have been deliberately designed to backfire that badly. I believe it is clear that the overall agenda that the banksters' political puppets are following is to deliberately destroy the American Democratic Republic. Too bad, so sad ...
P.P.S.
It makes one wonder how thick the NSA's top secret file on Obama could be?
I saw three friends, friends from grade school through most of high school, destroyed by marijana, Radical. But that is a long topic and it’s been a long night. But some other time I would enjoy the match. :-)
That said, I, too, “continue to agree with your overall view” on the big stuff; and even when I don’t agree, I like the way you build your cases, and have been known to change my mind. That’s what makes ZH great; the caliber of the viewpoints.
As for your P.P.S., you couldn't be more right on!
O.K. Of coure, I know way more people whose lives were damaged by the marijuana laws than by marijuana. But then, I also know a lot of people who made money from marijuana being illegal, and having got away with that, like things the way they are now!
AND, I just noticed that the link to that radio recording got automatically entered wrong.
It should have been:
http://soundcloud.com/am900chml/marijuana-policy-in-this?in=am900chml/sets/bill-kelly
oh, i don't care either way...in Truth, janus happens to love the black man -- his patch is duly adored in the coat of many colors.
but, and i mean BUT...if it's divisiveness what needs playing, janus is in this game the chessmaster, the pied piper & the fly DJ; i gots da needle and i spin da wax (and i'm on da mic). if ba'negro hussien obama or any/all of black leadership thinks provocation, enmity and discord are the way to go, and the black-man wants to step to that tune, well, may janus kindly remind that some of us still revere the birthday of another...
happy birthday, General Lee
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_E._Lee
and i ain't just whistlin dixie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jREUrbGGrgM
look away,
janus
jr,
almost passed-over this'n cause'a all the up-votes (popularity is a dubious trait for janus); but i read anyway.
i suggest you all do the same.
great, great post...in other words: right on, brother.
i'm in a beastie boys mood tonight...olde school dedication to JR:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAQCHZpM_3I
sixteen men on a dead-man's chest/
i shot those suckers/
and i'll shoot the rest/
...i am most ill,
janus
I agree good post.
George, h/t for having the persistence to explore all those endless folds of the thousand pounders and their greater family of business partners.
Continues to be a pleasure to read you work.
Cheers
If you believe any of the spoken words coming from the federal government you are delusional and need electroshock-therapy.
To Serve & Protect.. just like our Police Officers, next come Ads " I AM THE NSA " and I care about YOU
Ya mean like this patrol car?
Obey and Survive
You take a close look at a police car recently? A mate of mine has just come back from the US - I won't say where, since I talk to him/her by email and phone a lot, he/she travels to the US a lot for work and would presumably like to NOT get his/her visa revoked and obviously Big Brother is watching - but... (sorry NSA dudes, 35mm film camera, so no meta-data for you to mine!) I've seen the picture: "To Secure and Protect"
Secure whom and protect what, I wonder?
Mob Mouthpieces: PinocchiObama, Alexander the Fib, Peter the Lyin' King, Jimmy the Claptrap, Greasy Jay Carney.
If the NSA had stopped a terrorist attack they would be crowing about it.
not just crowing, but scare-crowing
NSA: Scare = fear = power = control
Next up: Sochi, where US agents are 'assisting' the Russians. Watch it.
Sochi is the perfect false flag arena. East-West find solace in totalitarian rule... to 'save the world from turrist', or course.
I wonder if any of those "black widows" earned their stripes during the Sandy Crook or Boston Marathon episodes?
I guess we'll all have to tune in to find out.
Two words unlike biden really TWO words - BOSTON BOMBERS
We are ALL terrists now!
NSA
Central Bank is need war, more is the merry.
Grenada II?!
"The president announced today that the war against Muslim weddings and schools in progressing better than expected."
"I personally vouch for the NSA and its patriotic charter in safeguarding American National Secrets."
President Barry Soetoro
Ha! Ranks right up there with: "If you like your health insurance, you can keep it..."
"The most 'patriotic' in Nazi Germany were those of the SS and the Gestapo."
now thats ffing funny
Yea because the NSA folks are our friends and neighbors but with friends like the NSA who needs enemies?
With friends like the NSA ,who needs an ENEMA.
Fixed it for you.
Mr. Churchill,
You are very smart funny with cynical word play!
Sincerely,
Boris
(P.S., do not trust Russian ally, is not end well.)
Always so negative on the NSA, George! Can't you just believe that the elite federal family are not using their inside information to trade?
Where's the trust? They work for YOU!
cant unring a bell