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The Most Boring Superbowl Ever … Until 9/11 Truth Proponent Interrupts MVP Interview
This clip has gotten a lot of media attention … almost as much as Peyton Manning explaining why the football hit his helmet on the very first play (leading to a safety, and the fastest score in superbowl history).
Winning Seahawks coach Pete Carroll also questions 9/11. As do some old-timers, like 5-time NFL Pro Bowl center Mark Stepnoski (Dallas Cowboys and Houston Oilers) and former NFL running back Bill Enyart (Buffalo Bills and Oakland Raiders).
What do you think? How many of you think:
(1) The government couldn’t have foreseen 9/11, and did everything it could to minimize the damage (while perhaps being negligent in its foresight, coordination, communication, priorities or execution)?
(2) 9/11 was an inside job carried out by rogue elements of the U.S. government as a “false flag attack“?
(3) The government knew the attack was coming, but allowed it to succeed to justify the launching of the war for oil – er, I mean the “War on Terror” – and to consolidate power and crackdown on liberties at home?
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#3 - But I wouldn't be surprised if it was #2.
Until a few days ago, I would have thought this all ludicrous, now I would agree: #2 and not surprised if #3. On vacation and reading a lot of ZH, and got a 911 conspiracy book from a used bookstore. Born again, but into a dark, ugly world.
Welcome, to life outside of the cheerios box.
Here is some reading for you.
http://www.resist.com/SecretGovernment-Spiridovich.pdf
Haven't read that one before. thanks!
what took you so long?
Corporate wage slave plugged tight into the matrix. Took my blue pill every day with my morning joe to make it through the day.
welcome to the madness, friend..
Welcome to the view outside the matrix. Pipes, wiring and plumbing ain't pretty.
The view I thought I had outside of the matrix must have been a quick oblique glance. It just gets uglier and uglier.
Keep looking- you'll find the good things amidst the muck. ;)
Good morning (since you just woke up). Don't try to find an end. There is no end. It just keeps going and going. EVERYTHING you thought was real, isn't. It is bizarro world but once you adjust your lenses most things make sense.
Welcome Fred Flintstone. This is a hard road but hopefully you will escape their cataclysm.
I know how you feel; I've been obsessively researching Grand Unified Conspiracy Theory for 5 years and am still adjusting to new levels of ugliness every few months. Feel like I'm playing Call of Cthulhu. Digging up Mythos Tomes and losing sanity points.
This might interest you now. It's a long paper about the extraordinary degree of coordination behind 9/11. In reading this article the essential nature of oligarchical collectivism becomes apparent. The government is thoroughly infiltrated in all departments. The conspiracy is far more vast and byzantine than can be organized by a secret committee of power-mad old men.
http://www.israelshamir.net/Contributors/Collateral_Damage_911.pdf
It's almost like they have... a hive mind! (oops, there goes another sanity point)
2+3
The best documentary that has near unanimous community support.
It's free, thorough and is well paced for a five hour documentary.
September 11 - The New Pearl Harbor by Massimo Mazzucco
http://www.luogocomune.net/site/modules/sections/index.php?op=viewarticl...
Ignatius, I absolutely agree that 'September 11 - The New Pearl Harbor' is one of the top documentaries ever made on the subject. It's the best one I've personally seen and is well worth every minute of it's 5+ hour totality. I've succeeded in changing the minds of a number of family and friends by insisting that they "please just STFU and watch it."
And my opinion, for the record, is #2.
I'll second that
My names is Billy Sol Estes and you can always trust the Warren Report.
What about the Keane report?
no 3
Now that was totally unconvincing.
And a little kooky too!
You Truther Troopers need a lesson in PR.
Lets be honest. That Dine-N-Dash stunt didn't win anyone over.
The Litmus Test
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21pPpYw_axQ
3.
I also suspect Israel and Saudi Arabia were involved.
The whole thing stinks.
you are likely correct -both of them worked with rogue elements of our government and intelligence agencies
#2
The towers were demolished, no plane interceptions and the cover-up requires top level complicity.
People struggle with this because Uncle Sam turns out to be 'Chester the Molester'.
Yes, Uncle Sam really IS Chester the Molester.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/02/02/aipac-and-abramoff-operated-chil...
9/11 responders had 36% higher rates of leukemia and 239% higher rates of cancer than normal:
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/04/24/1908761/study-first-responder...
The thyroid cancer is the smoking nuke. Only way to explain it is recent fission. Mini neutron boms could also explain why the buildings were so thoroughly disintigrated and why there was molten slag (due to neutron activation) in the basement even after months of spraying. Even nanothermite isn't enough to explain that. They probably still used nanothermite just to be sure. The neutron bombs were probably experimental weapons with little or no testing at such low yields.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/10/29/mini-neutron-bombs-a-major-piece...
There are only two suspects at this point: The US Government and Israel, probably working together. The Dancing Israelis make more sense now, huh?
Some internet sources have suggested the Micro-Nukes were "cold-fusion" bomblets,
pure fusion bombs, no uranium or plutonium fission trigger needed, and thus smaller, without fission plutonium or uranium and fission byproduct elements left behind for evidence.
"The thyroid cancer is the smoking nuke. Only way to explain it is recent fission. Mini neutron boms could also explain why the buildings were so thoroughly disintigrated and why there was molten slag (due to neutron activation) in the basement even after months of spraying."
Show me what a mini neutron bomb explosion looks like. I thought the press about neutron bombs was that they were supposed to kill people and leave buildings standing.
That's when you detonate one over a city. Detonating one in a basement is a different story. It's still a fusion bomb (with a fission trigger). Publicly admitted yields are of order 1 kiloton, which would not be contained by the WTC basement. However, the smallest possible yield is classified.
Critical Mass is an intentional misnomer. The Density of the Fissionable Material is that which determines Criticality or Supercriticality.
If one obtains such a Density then one can produce a Runaway reaction provided upon the amount of material.
However as I have stated in subsequential responses the methodology of the Building Collapse does not matter. There was no signature of a Fission Event reported.
But the building came down in a Controlled Demolition and there is more than enough evidence to support that.
Whom is responsible is the question which needs to be answered. Do not allow the Trolls sidetrack you.
WE are just going to hunt them and bring them to trial after the collapse of the United States. Then we will behead them.
The Economic Collapse is happening before their very eyes. They are terrified as there is nothing that they can do to stop it. So they sit in abject terror awaiting their rightfully deserved judgment.
Right, moneybots?
high level complicity
here here
bangs shoe on table...
no plane interceptions? I think there may have been one. Flt 93 after the pilot regained control.
There's an eyewitness that said she was driving along a county road directly next to the field in quesion, and she had a white small aircraft fly directly over her truck, fly into the field and blow up. It's on Youtube.
Do an image search for "airplane crash". Every single one is littered with a huge debris field. There was no debris for 93, or the pentagon plane. Jet fuel won't vaporize aluminum, and nothing will destroy titanium.
Come on man,how many people would have to be involved ? Think about it,all the families,the victims.We saw pictures of them,we saw their families mourn.For all those people to be involved and noone has spoken up,that is complete utter nonsense.The govt may have known about it,they may have even helped but those people really died.
your logic ignores the (undeniable) history of false flags. You're right, the story comes out eventually, not immediately
Victims killed cannot be themselves participating in the coverup after they are killed.
The Litmus Test
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21pPpYw_axQ
"There was no debris for 93, or the pentagon plane."
There are photographs of pices of the skin of the Jetliner on the ground in front of The Pentagon, s well as photographs of some debris inside.
There is also a photo of men in dark suits running around and placing this stuff there. Rescue workers were kept away for some time from the area.
"There is also a photo of men in dark suits running around and placing this stuff there. Rescue workers were kept away for some time from the area."
Witnesses saw a jetliner strike The Pentagon. No debris was placed on the ground for show.
correction - many witnesses saw A SMALL plane strike the pentagon CONSISTENT WITH THE SIZE OF THE HOLE (and a missle)
Don't confuse these idiots with facts. They'll just come up with some other shit to explain their religion. Trying to reason with this cult is like trying to nail Jello to the wall. You have a better chance of reasoning with a cow.
Perhaps if you offered some rational arguments, rather than logical fallacies??
There was a 20 lb piece of sheet metal dragged onto the lawn, and a turbine rotor that didn't match any engine ever installed for that class of aircraft. There was no damage to the slab foundation where the engines would have had to scrape based on the impact damage. Also, there's no damage where the wings or tail section would have impacted, just a neat tidy hole all the way through the rings.
Did you google image airplane crashes. The debris has a very distinctive pattern, one that is obviously missing at the pentagon.
There's also a pentagon cop that was at a loading dock on the opposite side of the building that saw a plane in one piece flying gracefully away originating from the side of impact. What hit the building was a cruise missle. The battle damage matches perfectly.
"Did you google image airplane crashes. The debris has a very distinctive pattern, one that is obviously missing at the pentagon.
There's also a pentagon cop that was at a loading dock on the opposite side of the building that saw a plane in one piece flying gracefully away originating from the side of impact. What hit the building was a cruise missle. The battle damage matches perfectly."
I have seen video of several airline crash sites.. They all looked different than each other, to me.
Witnesses actually saw the Jetrliner HIT The Pentagon, so it did not gracefully fly away.
so if you want to play the witness game, how about the hundreds, yes hundreds, of civillian, fire, police, security and others who heard numerous explosions including the basement level of the towers
"so if you want to play the witness game, how about the hundreds, yes hundreds, of civillian, fire, police, security and others who heard numerous explosions including the basement level of the towers "
It isn't a game.
"The west windows were all gone. They were missing. These are tremendous windows. They were just gone. Broken glass everywhere, the revolving doors were all broken and their glass was gone. Every sprinkler head was going off. I am thinking to myself, how are these sprinkler heads going off? It takes a lot of heat to set off a sprinkler head. It never dawned on me that there was a giant fireball that came through the air of the lobby. I never knew that until later on. The jet fuel actually came down the elevator shaft, blew off all the (elevator) doors and flames rolled through the lobby. That explained all the burnt people and why everything was sooted in the lobby."
“I saw a couple of elevators in free fall; you could hear them whizzing down and as they crashed, there was this huge explosion, like a fireball exploding out of the bank of elevators,” Kravette said. “People were engulfed in flames."
"Bobby Hall, of Staten Island, was near a mechanical room floor 50 feet underground when the impact of a falling elevator threw him against a steel door. He struggled to his feet, and assisted two other injured men."
“We were going to our shop to make a call and find out what the first explosion was and the place just came apart on us,” Bobby said. “What we found out later was the hot wind was the number 50 freight car falling from the 88th floor and it just came into the area where we were and just blew us back out into the parking lot.”
"But before Rodriguez had time to think, co-worker Felipe David stormed into the basement office with severe burns on his face and arms, screaming for help and yelling "explosion! explosion! explosion!"
David had been in front of a nearby freight elevator on sub-level 1 about 400 feet from the office when fire burst out of the elevator shaft, causing his injuries."
It is all related to jet fuel falling down the elevator shafts, as well as crashing elevators.
"It is all related to jet fuel falling down the elevator shafts, as well as crashing elevators"
the VOLUME of plane fuel as is compares to the VOLUME of the elevator shafts and the buildings, the TEMPERATURE degree and force and SPEED of those combustions versus the distance down those shafts and the FACT that the elevator shafts do not even connect continuously down 100 floors on the sides of the buildings in question (already discussed by HONEST experts)
make your response lacking, very very lacking
"There was a 20 lb piece of sheet metal dragged onto the lawn,"
But wait, this is not your ordinary lawn!
This is the Penta-Lawn 2000!!
http://killtown.911review.org/pentalawn.html