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The Most Boring Superbowl Ever … Until 9/11 Truth Proponent Interrupts MVP Interview

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This clip has gotten a lot of media attention … almost as much as Peyton Manning explaining why the football hit his helmet on the very first play (leading to a safety, and the fastest score in superbowl history).

Winning Seahawks coach Pete Carroll also questions 9/11. As do some old-timers, like 5-time NFL Pro Bowl center Mark Stepnoski (Dallas Cowboys and Houston Oilers) and former NFL running back Bill Enyart (Buffalo Bills and Oakland Raiders).

What do you think? How many of you think:

(1) The government couldn’t have foreseen 9/11, and did everything it could to minimize the damage (while perhaps being negligent in its foresight, coordination, communication, priorities or execution)?

(2) 9/11 was an inside job carried out by rogue elements of the U.S. government as a “false flag attack“?

(3) The government knew the attack was coming, but allowed it to succeed to justify the launching of the war for oil – er, I mean the “War on Terror” – and to consolidate power and crackdown on liberties at home?

 

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Mon, 02/03/2014 - 19:06 | 4397743 George Washington
Mon, 02/03/2014 - 19:10 | 4397760 Audacity17
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Referencing your own materials is irrelevant you America hating piece of shit.  And you didn't read the article either.  Fuck you.

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 19:21 | 4397801 George Washington
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I shouldn't feed the trolls ... but:

“It is not the function of our government to keep the citizen from
falling into error; it is the function of the citizen to keep the
government from falling into error”
– United States Supreme Court decision in American Communications Association v. Douds

“To stand in silence when they should be protesting makes cowards out of men.”
- Abraham Lincoln

“Those who give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
- Ben Franklin

“The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.”
- Thomas Jefferson

“Dissent is the highest form of patriotism.”
-Thomas Jefferson

“It is from numberless diverse acts of courage and belief that human
history is shaped. Each time a man stands up for an ideal, or acts to
improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends
forth a tiny ripple of hope, and crossing each other from a million
different centers of energy and daring, those ripples build a current
that can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance.”
- Robert F . Kennedy

“It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people’s minds.”
- Samuel Adams

“Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand
by the president or any other public official save exactly to the degree
in which he himself stands by the country. It is patriotic to support
him insofar as he efficiently serves the country. It is unpatriotic not
to oppose him to the exact extent that by inefficiency or otherwise he
fails in his duty to stand by the country.”
– Teddy Roosevelt

“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or
that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only
unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American
public.”
– Teddy Roosevelt

“The citizen who sees his society’s democratic clothes being worn out and does not cry it out, is not a patriot, but a traitor.”
- Mark Twain

“Liberty has never come from government. Liberty has always come from
the subjects of government. The history of liberty is a history of
resistance. The history of liberty is a history of limitations of
government power, not the increase of it.”
- Woodrow Wilson

“All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent”
- Thomas Jefferson

“This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who
inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government,
they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their
revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it.”
- Abraham Lincoln, First Inaugural

“In this point of the case the question is distinctly presented
whether the people of the United States are to govern through
representatives chosen by their unbiased suffrages or whether the money
and power of a great corporation are to be secretly exerted to influence
their judgment and control their decisions.”
- Andrew Jackson

“I am more than ever convinced of the dangers to which the free and
unbiased exercise of political opinion — the only sure foundation and
safeguard of republican government — would be exposed by any further
increase of the already overgrown influence of corporate authorities.”
- Martin Van Buren, Eighth President of the United States

“As we view the achievements of aggregated capital, we discover the
existence of trusts, combinations, and monopolies, while the citizen is
struggling far in the rear or is trampled to death beneath an iron heel.
Corporations, which should be the carefully restrained creatures of the
law and the servants of the people, are fast becoming the people’s
masters.”
- Grover Cleveland, 22nd and 24th President of the United States

“I again recommend a law prohibiting all corporations from
contributing to the campaign expenses of any party.… Let individuals
contribute as they desire; but let us prohibit in effective fashion all
corporations from making contributions for any political purpose,
directly or indirectly.” Teddy Roosevelt added, “The fortunes amassed
through corporate organization are now so large, and vest such power in
those that wield them, as to make it a matter of necessity to give to
the sovereign — that is, to the Government, which represents the people
as a whole — some effective power of supervision over their corporate
use. In order to insure a healthy social and industrial life, every big
corporation should be held responsible by, and be accountable to, some
sovereign strong enough to control its conduct.”
- Theodore Roosevelt

“In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition
of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the
military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of
misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of
this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We
should take nothing for granted.”
- Dwight D. Eisenhower

“It was natural and perhaps human that the privileged princes of
these new economic dynasties, thirsting for power, reached out for
control over government itself. They created a new despotism and wrapped
it in the robes of legal sanction. …And as a result the average man
once more confronts the problem that faced the Minute Man….
- Franklin Roosevelt

“A small group had concentrated into their own hands an almost
complete control over other people’s property, other people’s money,
other people’s labor — other people’s lives. For too many of us life was
no longer free; liberty no longer real; men could no longer follow the
pursuit of happiness.”
- Franklin Roosevelt

“These economic royalists complain that we seek to overthrow the
institutions of America. What they really complain of is that we seek to
take away their power. Our allegiance to American institutions requires
the overthrow of this kind of power. In vain they seek to hide behind
the flag and the Constitution. In their blindness they forget what the
flag and the Constitution stand for.”
- Franklin Roosevelt

“Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible
government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to
the people. To destroy this invisible government, to befoul the unholy
alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics is the first task
of the statesmanship of the day.”
- Theodore Roosevelt

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equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable
Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of
Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among
Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That
whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is
the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new
Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its
powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their
Safety and Happiness.”
-Thomas Jefferson, American Declaration of Independence

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 20:35 | 4398128 DebtSlaveZombie
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Thanks for these quotes.  I love 'em.

Was 9/11 an inside job?  Meh... Don't know.  It is interesting though.  Im glad I dont have to walk around with that information.  God will judge us all.  Get right with him.  This will all end and we have no one to blame but ourselves if we let the world destroy our faith.

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 05:17 | 4399411 Tall Tom
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Yes God will judge all.

 

But your Faith without works is dead. You might want to read the book of James and get your Heart right. And while you are at that so shall I read it and get my heart right.

 

 

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 09:10 | 4399601 chindit13
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Oh, an Empiricist!  Then perhaps you can explain---let's start with your "mathematics of probability" and make the assumption that something one might call god exists.  First, why must it be just one....empirically speaking?  Couldn't it have been a committee?  Second, who is it?  Allah?  Zeus?  Imbra?  Krishna?  Yahweh?  Looking over the literature of each one, it seems the penalty for making the wrong choice is pretty severe, but how is an empiricist to know?  It's not like anyone has come back with a Facebook photo of him and Zeus kicking back in Paradise sipping cool ones.  Third, what is the line of reasoning that takes you from "a god or gods exists", to "it" or "them" being all about pure love, eternal but just judgment, and having the key to some great country club in the sky?  On the face of it, you seem to have a lot of--shall I call them---missing links.  Your train of logic just doesn't seem to be there.  I gotta tell ya, too, when I see something like a tsunami wipe out 300,000 folks living along the Indian Ocean, I'm not seeing the love.  Toss in childhood cancer, and I can't help but think if your god or gods exist, he or they are kind of schmucks.  The probabilities point that way.

Now if I had to pick one, given the empirical evidence, I'd go with Zeus, since he seems to be a bit of a party boy given to the occasional fit of rage or vindictiveness.  My second choice would be Allah, because it seems he is short of being omnipotent, requiring from time to time the helping hand of his followers to punish heretics, infidels, apostates, or teenage Pakistani girls who want to go to school.

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 11:39 | 4400134 Element
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Stop picking on the the poor blinkin Christians Chindit, they mean well, dude only wants to get his heart right. Some lousy muzzy would just cut it out and eat it.

Now go back up the page and tell me all about your PT6 single, and what its MTOW is, and what the eff an ADIZ has to do with domestic flights and interceptions, and we can have a nice natter about the AIM and regs, and the potential for an unskilled hand-flying pilot, to anticipate the behavior of a 767, almost full of fuel and passengers and baggage, at >450 knots, below 10k feet.

Maybe we can then discuss the implications for weight and balance, of all the business class passengers suddenly being told to move back to economy class, plus the numerous effects on trim, that all these different factors would have? Especially on pitch trim attitude and power and speed control.

Are you game for that, or are you full of it?

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 00:24 | 4402826 DaveyJones
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well done sir

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 23:20 | 4398693 Son of Captain Nemo
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Im glad I dont have to walk around with that information. ...

So who's walking around with that information? And if war crimes have been committed in your name?

So fuck jurisprudence with that 800 year old Magna Carta and 225 year old Constitution?  Let "God sort it out" for us cause we'll never get the lawmakers we pay for and send to Washington who violate the laws they took an oath to protect and defend to stand accused before a tribunal for those crimes and brought to justice?!!!

What a grand idea!  At the end of the day when it all goes south because nobody wants to take responsibility and blame for those institutions when they fail -leave it up to the guy on that "puffy white cloud"!

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 21:14 | 4398325 MeelionDollerBogus
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I got right with the truth: there is no god. So long as a person revels in denial of reality like belief in a god, that person can be fooled into believing anything.
Faith is the enemy of eye-sight.

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 05:13 | 4399409 Tall Tom
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You are mistaken. There is a God. The Mathematics of Probability demonstrate that.

 

Even Hawking's Contemporary, Physicist Roger Penrose, knows it. The numbers are just too overwhelming for a chance happenstance of the Manifestation of the Universe.

 

No I cannot be fooled into believing anything MDB. I am an Empiricist.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 00:14 | 4402729 MeelionDollerBogus
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The mathematics of probability show no such thing: not a shred of evidence, not even a shred of a chance there is a god.

The numbers all show a self-manifesting universe creating itself absent of a god.

An absolute precondition for a god is that matter & energy must be made from nothing: that is opposite of what all math & science shows us.

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 19:33 | 4397844 nmewn
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“It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people’s minds.” - Samuel Adams

I kinda like that one ;-)

 

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 21:41 | 4398426 New_Meat
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as a young piglet, John Adams was portrayed to me as a great man among the new england patriots and sam was portrayed as a crazy uncle fitted for the attic but not for normal society.

Then one learns about the power of the churches in aligning people towards dumping ol' king G the 3d.  And Sam was a broad thinker, a big tent kinda' guy.

Keepin' larnin'

- Ned

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 19:29 | 4397828 Audacity17
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You are the biggest fucking troll on this site, you little cunt.

 

George W. Bush, in the few short months before 9/11, couldn't have made any sort of move to stop this attack without some little runt like you screaming 

"fear monger", "tyrant", "civil liberties!".   Not one fucking thing.  If he had implemented tighter security at the airports, or made a speech on TV warning against it, or destroyed the wall between the FBI and CIA, etc.

 

NOT FUCKING ONE, without you curve fitting your warped Amercia hating deulsions to it.  

 

Fuck off.

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 05:09 | 4399402 Tall Tom
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"George W. Bush, in the few short months before 9/11, couldn't have made any sort of move to stop this attack without some little runt like you screaming..."

 

But they did move all of the Gold out of the basement of the World Trade Center to the vaults of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. Moving the tons of Gold took Months.  (Well...the last truck got stuck in a tunnel...)

 

But you agree that America had advanced knowledge???

 

That is a start.

 

What else do you know, Audacity17?

 

Please expose it.

 

I am not America Hating but I love the Truth.

 

My God is the God of Truth.

 

All will be exposed anyway.

 

So please continue...

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 04:04 | 4399343 Amagnonx
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GW Bush was part of the cabal that executed the 911 plan - so he could have confessed before it happened and then brutally killed himself - that would have been of some use.

 

911 would not have been possible without high level political, intelligence and military involvement - so if we dont want such things to happen, then we need to arrest and execute all the criminals.

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 19:38 | 4397874 SgtShaftoe
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He could have canceled his little operation to blow up 3 buildings in NYC and shoot a missle into the pentagon.  That would have worked pretty well I think. 

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 19:46 | 4397902 Audacity17
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I notice not one of the 8 down votes answered me what Bush could have done.  Because you know you can't.  You know your warped selves too well.

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 21:15 | 4398340 MeelionDollerBogus
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Bush wasn't in charge, Cheney was. He is the one who directed jet fighters to stand down.
They would have been witnesses if in the air.
Your question is invalid.
Maybe you need a bread-helmet instead of a tin-foil hat.

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 00:16 | 4402811 DaveyJones
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Bush was in charge of the goats

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 20:41 | 4398155 Roanman
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This one is pretty easy actually.

W could have picked up the phone to his director of the CIA and said, "George, I've been thinking. I know it would be real good for business, but I just don't think it's right to blow up The World Trade Center and The Pentagon, lot's of innocent people will be killed. Call our friends over there in Israel and tell them I don't want to do it. I'll call my Saudi buddies myself. We'll just have to think up a new excuse to get over there and kill Saddam.

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 20:31 | 4398115 Mitzibitzi
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Having Dick Cheney, Henry Kissinger, Zbigniew Brzezinski, Donald Rumsfeld and probably at least a dozen others arrested and shot for treason would have been a good start, I suspect.

As to your pointless bleating about airport security and the like... have you ever actually flown an airplane? I have, a few times. Twice in a DeHavilland Chipmunk, a handful of times in a Cessna 172, belonging to a lecturer I had in college. And once a twin engine turboprop Cessna Conquest, belonging to... well, someone else. Then I got to fly in a BAC Strikemaster, in the copilot seat - that's a, what 50 year old? light attack jet aircraft with LESS performance than a modern airliner. And I'll tell you what, it ain't like flying a Cessna 172!

We are supposed to believe that a bunch of terrorists, with no previous aviation experience, spent a few weeks learning to fly a Cessna then successfully took over modern twin engine passenger jets, evaded the air defences of the nation with the largest, most powerful and most technologically advanced armed forces in the entire history of the world, flew them through a city full of tall buildings and manged to hit two buildings in such a way that the resulting damage collapsed them into their own footprints, despite the fact that NO steel framed building before or since has EVER collapsed due to an aircraft impact, nor to fire.

And that's without examining the too small hole in the Pentagon OR the mysterious collapse of Bldg 7, which had a small fire and no debris damage at all.

Look, I realise the government is paying the shills and you guys have kids to feed and mortgages to pay, too, same as us. But for fuck's sake! The lies you're telling aren't even good ones. Have some fucking pride in your work. The only thing worse than a liar is a bad liar, peddling a bad lie. And after 12 1/2 fucking years, even you guys must KNOW that what you're trying to sell the ignorant is a total crock of utter shit? Jeez!

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 21:14 | 4398324 moneybots
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"We are supposed to believe that a bunch of terrorists, with no previous aviation experience, spent a few weeks learning to fly a Cessna then successfully took over modern twin engine passenger jets, evaded the air defences of the nation with the largest, most powerful and most technologically advanced armed forces in the entire history of the world, flew them through a city full of tall buildings and manged to hit two buildings in such a way that the resulting damage collapsed them into their own footprints, despite the fact that NO steel framed building before or since has EVER collapsed due to an aircraft impact, nor to fire."

 

"Atta arrived in the United States, together with Marwan al-Shehhi, in June 2000. Both ended up in Venice, Florida at Huffman Aviation where they entered the Accelerated Pilot Program. Atta and Shehhi obtained instrument ratings in November 2000, and continued training on simulators and flight training." 

"Atta continued to train throughout the rest of 2000, honing his flying skills in south Florida at an extremely rapid pace. Just over 2 months after receiving his private pilot license, Atta was back with another FAA designated pilot examiner seeking a special license for flying airplanes on instruments only."

More than a few weeks.

No buildings were obstructing the jetliners from hitting the Towers

The Tower's debris field covered a wide area, not just their footprint. 

The tired and worn no steel building mantra is just that.  Old and worn and devoid of any relevance to the unique situation on 9/11.

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 21:23 | 4398361 besnook
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you have no idea what it takes to become certified for a big airliner. you don't just jump into a simulator after an instrument rating on a cessna.these guys did not have near the training to fly a big jet.

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 13:25 | 4400586 moneybots
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"you have no idea what it takes to become certified for a big airliner. you don't just jump into a simulator after an instrument rating on a cessna.these guys did not have near the training to fly a big jet."

 

Atta was a certified pilot.  There are certain similarities between all airplanes.  Atta had obtained instructional videos for a 757, so he was not completely ignorant of jetliner controls.

Passengers  on flight 93, who had talked to the ground, said that the hijacked portion of the flight was something of a rough ride, so someone who was not an airline pilot was flying the jetliner.  Obviously they were capable enough to keep the jetliner in the air, before the passengers later rushed the cockpit and the hijackers dove the plane into the ground.

 

 

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 14:52 | 4404703 DaveyJones
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you forgot to finish your sentence. "Something of a rough ride"...that ultimately performed feats that hundreds of very experienced military and commerical pilots have said are next to impossible in skill and accuracy

not to mention speeds (at sea level) that manufacturers say share the same possiblity factors

all fixed

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 01:58 | 4399171 chindit13
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I have an idea, though I’m sure it is nothing compared to what you know.  My bonafides are only that I have more than 3500 hours as PIC, which is more than the Asiana pilot at San Francisco, and I own and fly an aircraft with a P&W PT6A.  I just don’t get paid to do my flying.  Granted a PT6 is not a Rolls Royce, GE or JT9D like the Boeings, but they don’t put it in C-152s, so I’m flying sort of “heavy”.  I have been on simulators for commercial jets, which are the same simulators airline pilots use for training and to stay current.  One can become proficient in a very short period of time, though by no means an expert.  The most difficult part is landing, but those with no interest in landing safely can pass on that part.  On the AOPA website you can find a video of a non-pilot who, on a simulator, lands an Airbus A320 (IIRC) on his very first attempt.  Previously he had never sat at the controls of any aircraft.  There’s a reason that the pilot on anything less than a major commercial aircraft---e.g., a commuter airline---doesn’t get paid much more than a fry cook at McDonalds:  it’s not that hard to do (but it’s fun and lots of people want to do it, so it is impacted by supply and demand).  Unless you are on SNAP, there’s a good chance you make more than the pilot flying you on anything less than a sought-after transoceanic route.

For more related to the flying, look up “ADIZ” and see if you can spot any differences before and after 911, as well as NORAD’s mission before and after.  Also look up “Payne Stewart”, and remember his aircraft had filed a flight plan and was on autopilot.  Note the time it took to scramble and locate it, even though it had an operating transponder.  You can also read the transcripts of ATC on 911.

Believe what you wish, but you might wish to base your belief on facts, and toss out things that are internet opinion and sophistry.  Also, if you are going to keep the dream alive, pick arguments about which actual experts might hold differing opinions, and avoid the nonsense that is the core dogma of many in your congregation.  Stay away from the really easy ones like the BBC and “pull it”.  Those are for morons like Alex Jones’ listeners, and even the folks at A&E911 are no doubt embarrassed by them.  Also remember “freefall” is not approximate, and nothing drops freefaller.  I believe Galileo took care of that question.

Fri, 02/07/2014 - 22:59 | 4414268 DaveyJones
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and comparing the skills of LANDING a large commercial plane at LANDING SPEEDS to HITTING SPOT ON a narrow building at 500 MPH (over the plane's physical limits) is ridiculous and once again, revealing 

Wed, 02/05/2014 - 00:22 | 4402817 DaveyJones
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Chindit, you go to great efforts on this subject curiously but you always avoid the overwhelming collection of evidence. Your own self expertise in the air does not come close to the work and hours logged by folks like pilots for 911, nor does it counter all the bits of information.

THis is not about one thing, it's about many many disciplines, many many pieces of evidence, many, many bizzare behaviors by public officials - contrary to law, public interest, physics and common sense. As you can see, the number of people asking questions and doing homework are growing. History works that way.    

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 10:55 | 4399973 besnook
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you are wrong. i don't know much.

i do know the banking turn into the second tower was not done by an amateur.

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 10:49 | 4399831 Element
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ADIZ? You realize these were US domestic originated flights, right? So what do routine ADIZ revisions have to do with this then smarty-pantz?

Pretty much nothing at all, I'd say.

Flying 'heavy' ... with a PT6 single? hahaha! ... oh do piss-off Chindit, you're providing me the belly laughs now! What is it, a 10,400 lb MTOW Pilatus PC-12? A skytractor maybe? Even most B200s with twin PT6s are no more than 12,500 lbs mate, so let me say with some confidence that you're NOT flying 'heavy' and that you most probably never have, given the absurd scale of that wild exaggeration. If you had you would have used a totally different example. And must I remind you that the "light aircraft" category includes everything under 12,500 lb, and that's almost certainly what you're flying? You're not talking to someone who has no clue about such things so don't even try to bamboozle me with such bullcrap.

An A320 can use RNAV-VNAV approaches, with auto throttle. In other words, it can land itself, with some basic checklist configuration. And if it were not dueto regs requiring human manual control below 50 ft it would indeed land itself. So, no, I'm hardly surprised that a person who's never flown an A320 can land one within a simulator, the first time.

However, now turnoff the vertical and lateral autopilot plus auto throttle, in IMC, or even just in VFR, and see if you get a stabilized approach to minimums, the second time around in the simulator.

You know perfectly bloody well this 'PIC' will destroy that jet within 1 minute. Probably considerably less than 1 minute. This is what will happen, and I can say this with considerable confidence. The pilot will almost surely become disoriented, almost immediately, even in VFR, and crash. Or, if lucky, will let the speed drop-off and enter the area of reverse throttles control, as pitch increases, and in about 10 to 15 seconds later will crash an die horribly. Otherwise, this PIC will wildly over-control ... and again, and most probably crash, and almost certainly unsuccessfully perform even a go-around.

What they certainly will not do is land the jet in a stabilized approach down an ILS to the threshold and touch-down. And even if they flew a visual straight in approach they will most likely stall it and crash, as the speed bleeds off, and their throttle control and knowledge and experience of how to deal with it is non-existent.

Now go call the insurance company.

In other words, stop talking silly nonsense to the zh comment section, you've just done yourself no credit, and sin of sins, it was not even funny.

 

 

ok ... it was ... lol

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 03:49 | 4399335 DavidPierre
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chinshit13:

You FAIL ...

The Litmus Test

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21pPpYw_axQ

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 20:26 | 4398096 Audacity17
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13 down votes now, and not one rational response.

 

Q.E.D.

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 21:17 | 4398346 MeelionDollerBogus
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EVERY response but yours has been rational & based on physical evidence.

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 02:19 | 4399216 Audacity17
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Fuck you too cunt.

 

Here's your rational facts:

1.  Fire doesn't melt metal.

Except that it does.

2. Jet fuel doesn't burn hot enough to melt metal.

Except there were tons of materials inside the WTC

3. There was no plane at the Pentagon

Except there are tests on video of planes atomizing when hit concrete at high speed.  Google them.

4.  The towers were brought down by demolition.

Except the tower hit second, fell first.

 

You got shit.

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 23:37 | 4402684 MeelionDollerBogus
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Except that it doesn't - a CLOSED, oxygen-controlled smelter is required to melt iron or steel & there wasn't one, no matter what other non-nuclear materials you add. Add in some uncooled uranium fuel rods & by all means, we'll get melting. Otherwise no combination of materials from WTC 1,2,7 would melt the steel WITHOUT an oxygen-controlled smelter. Including adding jet-fuel.

And there is no video of any plane ever hitting the Pentagon. No such video has ever been made or seen. Ever. Atomizing airplanes on impact to a building has also NEVER ever happened at any location at any time ever in history. Ever.

No plane can go that fast: it would have to exceed mach 200 to do so.

Even many asteroids have surviving solid pieces of impact yet you claim a much less dense airplane would atomize? This is nonsense.

Demolition: Except it doesn't matter which one fell first, all that matters is when the detonation was triggered which is NOT triggered by the plane impacts, and 2 impacts does not drop 3 buildings. All 3 buildings, 1 , 2 and 7, had explosives & explosions.

I got physical evidence on my side, you got shit.

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 23:05 | 4402587 Radical Marijuana
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One of dozens of similar videos, 99% of which appear to be deliberately ignored by Audacity 17 ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ss9C2dD5J8

9/11: The BIGGEST LIE

(Updated May 27 2013)

by James Easton

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 20:52 | 4398240 logicalman
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A rational response to an irrational rant would be hard to imagine, maybe that's why you haven't seen one.

 

 

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 02:21 | 4399223 Audacity17
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I threw down a challenge and not one of you cock suckers can answer it.  Eat shit.

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 20:36 | 4398146 SgtShaftoe
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It's pretty simple actually.  You either believe the government and believe in magical thinking, or you believe in physics and the government was involved.  Rational fact. 

And the truth will set you free, even if you're a little bitch boy. 

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 20:01 | 4397959 DavidPierre
Mon, 02/03/2014 - 19:26 | 4397816 knukles
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Hah ha ha ha ha
"You didn't read the article"

George, you are way too polite.
My respects.

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 19:42 | 4397896 Audacity17
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Fuck you too.  I read his cherry picked shit on his site.  More drivel about "oh, we cut gas off from the Japanese, and they couldn't keep raping the Chinese, so we deserve it" bullshit.  Or "wah, we put ships in the South Pacific, we deserve it"....or "some Admiral went shoreside, so he knew".

 

When a kid punches someone on the playground, and justifies it by saying he was goaded into it, mature adults don't accept that.  Only you America hating fuckers allow everyone else to be innocent children while changing the locus of control to America.  Locus of control...look it up.

 

 

Tue, 02/04/2014 - 00:48 | 4399000 Xibalba
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Happen to work for a bank by chance? 

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 21:03 | 4398281 SgtShaftoe
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No, fuck you more!  Nanny nanny doo doo fill your mouth with poo poo!  Fucking dipshit.

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 20:56 | 4398257 logicalman
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I guess the 17 in your name is a reference to your IQ?

 

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 20:39 | 4398158 Mitzibitzi
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The locus of control in America is a couple of hundred super-rich families, you idiot. They got free of their respective European monarchies and/or varied degrees of government tyranny and headed for the New World bent on inflicting the exact same thing on the rest of you hapless idiots. Congratulations on building a country to support a few hundred more sociopathic theives! We didn't need the help, we have plenty of them over here in Europe already.

Mon, 02/03/2014 - 19:00 | 4397716 Peter Pan
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It seems that the truth has to now resort to subliminal advertising through 3 second time grabs.

Whatever the truth of 911 is, it can't be pretty.

But if the truth comes out, there is a chance it will be a pivotal moment in the re-transformation of the USA and the world.

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