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The Most Boring Superbowl Ever … Until 9/11 Truth Proponent Interrupts MVP Interview
This clip has gotten a lot of media attention … almost as much as Peyton Manning explaining why the football hit his helmet on the very first play (leading to a safety, and the fastest score in superbowl history).
Winning Seahawks coach Pete Carroll also questions 9/11. As do some old-timers, like 5-time NFL Pro Bowl center Mark Stepnoski (Dallas Cowboys and Houston Oilers) and former NFL running back Bill Enyart (Buffalo Bills and Oakland Raiders).
What do you think? How many of you think:
(1) The government couldn’t have foreseen 9/11, and did everything it could to minimize the damage (while perhaps being negligent in its foresight, coordination, communication, priorities or execution)?
(2) 9/11 was an inside job carried out by rogue elements of the U.S. government as a “false flag attack“?
(3) The government knew the attack was coming, but allowed it to succeed to justify the launching of the war for oil – er, I mean the “War on Terror” – and to consolidate power and crackdown on liberties at home?
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I'm not sure why Tyler doesn't replace all your comments with simply your IP address, and email address. It would be interesting to dig into a disinfo agent's real life. You're following the playbook perfectly. I'd even recommend your boss give you a raise, if you hadn't sold your soul. Why do you do it? the prestige? the ladies?
http://calloutjoe.wordpress.com/psyop/analysis-of-a-disinformation-agent...
Some combination of fear and laziness. Sad.
SgtShaftoer, those two theories are not necessarily mutually exclusive. Both could have played a role. For sure, there was some kind of controlled demolitions. However, given that most of the evidence was summarily destroyed, and no proper investigations were ever allowed to happen in a timely manner, it now impossible to ever discover the full story of who actually did 9/11 events, and how they did that.
Anyway, although Wood's theories seem far fetched at first, while the nanothermite appears more plausible, and at first glance more supported by some available evidence, I have found that Wood's theories become more plausible to include into the mix of possible theories regarding what actually happened, the more that I looked at them.
However, see my comment below regarding the BIG PICTURE, which makes the issues of exactly how the controlled demolitions occured maybe a relatively moot point, given that the evidence of the actual crime scene on 9/11/2001 was never probably investigated, but rather cleaning crews were allowed into that crime scene immediately, with extremely adverse effects to their long-term health, such as that more first responders will end up being killed by 9/11 events than the people who were murdered on that day.
The bigger problem is that the USA, and the world as a whole, has become such a runaway social pyramid system of triumphant organized crime that events like 9/11 could be pulled off as a successful inside job, false flag attack. 9/11 was the most globally dominant organized crime gang generating excuses to attack other organized crime gangs' systems, because there is really nothing else but different systems of organized lies, operating organized robberies, which are in dynamic equilibria with each other.
A good perspective.
I actually read Wood's book. However it happened, a avast amount of energy came from somewhere that turned most of the concrete in that building to powder . . . and it WAS NOT gravity!! Nor did gravity cause a mushroom at the top or throw massive I beams sideways. Wood's theory is the only one that explains the otherwise inexplicable video of the the remaining massive central core I-beams literally disappearing into thin air.
But the real point is indeed the one you make in the last paragraph.
"A good perspective.
I actually read Wood's book. However it happened, a avast amount of energy came from somewhere that turned most of the concrete in that building to powder . . . and it WAS NOT gravity!!"
The kinetic energy from falling debris crashing into what was below it. Gravity simply induced the kinetic energy of that debris.
Absurd by an orders of magnitude.
I have not read Wood's book, don't know what it says, but,
Since I have a degree in Mechanical Engineering, with ten years experience in structural stress analysis,
and having taken one Nuclear Engineering class, covering nuclear physics theory, including the mathematics of designing nuclear reactions,
9-11 was obviously explosive demolition, presumably with Thermite, but
the idea of Micro-nukes cold fusion explosive devices, as small as the size of baseballs,
has been reported and discussed on the internet,
under terms such as "red mercury", or others,
as possibly explaining the building core explosions and collapse.
From a structural engineering view point, the pancake collapse theory is rendered impossible merely by the observation that the weaker outer wall steel structures of the twin towers collapsed at exactly the same rate as the much stronger inner core steel structure.
If it were a "natural" collapse, the strongest inner sections should have remained standing, or collapsed much more slowly, while the weaker outer structures collapsed first and more quickly.
Watch any video of the collapse, it all falls down at the same rate, strong and weak steel columns together.
Also note that the steel columns were made much thicker and much stronger at the lower building elevation levels, especially within the strong inner core structure.
"From a structural engineering view point, the pancake collapse theory is rendered impossible merely by the observation that the weaker outer wall steel structures of the twin towers collapsed at exactly the same rate as the much stronger inner core steel structure.
If it were a "natural" collapse, the strongest inner sections should have remained standing, or collapsed much more slowly, while the weaker outer structures collapsed first and more quickly."
It was a natural collapse. If you look at video of the collapse, you can see some central core columns still standing for several seconds after the rest of the building had collapsed.
Only at the very lowest level,
where the demolitionists did not install quite enough explosives.
A few seconds?
If it were a "natural" collapse, the inner steel core would still be standing today.
Only at the very lowest level,
where the demolitionists did not install quite enough explosives.
A few seconds?
If it were a "natural" collapse, the inner steel core would still be standing today.
In a natrual collapse, the inner steel core would not be standing today. A tremendous amount of debris fell down onto the the steel core of each tower.
It's possible, but sticking to the things that can be most easily proved are probably the best course.
Nikola Tesla invented the technology that was used to destroy the WTC site nearly 100 years ago. No aliens were involved.
Thermite is a red herring. There are holes in the official story that cannot be explained.
Papa_L
Don't want to assume you are deliberately on a misinformation campaign or may be innocent and simply not knowledgeable to the fact(s), so you need to watch the home gorwn experiments from those who have demonstrated how powerful thermite destruction is to steel.
Hope this helps.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXlC2TlNgEU
I care much more about whom brought them down rather than how they were brought down.
I worked with a Structural Steel Engineering Firm as a younger man. I also studied and taught Physics and Math at the University. THe Physics of the collapse as explained by the Official Story is impossible. Now we can waste our time by arguing methodology. Without evidence it is all but impossible to ascertain.
BUT SINCE WE WERE NOT DIRECTLY INVOLVED IN THE DEMOLITION THEN WE ARE SPECULATING WHEN IT ADDRESSES METHODOLOGY. We need to accept that they WERE TAKEN DOWN and it was PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE according to the methodology of the Official Report.
AS a SCIENTIST I am an EMPIRICIST. I can speculate about Thermite Demolition. I can speculate about a Resonant Energy Methodology. But without VERIFIABLE EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE it is mere Speculation.
AS I am more interested in whom did this, when I find out with certainty, then I am going to give them a lesson in Free Fall Physics, and Conservation of Momentum Physics, with a sharpend Cold Steel Angled Blade falling upon their immobilized neck with my Guillotine.
May God help me that I find those involved in the attack or the cover up, by spewing misinformation, or, by actively participating in the attack.
People involved in a conspiracy to commit murder are just as culpable as those whom carried out the murder. Being an accessory after the fact is just as culpable as those whom initially committed Murder.
Let Justice reign and be served. His ways are Just. Thank the God of Justice that their time grows short.
Collapse baby collapse.
"BUT SINCE WE WERE NOT DIRECTLY INVOLVED IN THE DEMOLITION THEN WE ARE SPECULATING WHEN IT ADDRESSES METHODOLOGY. We need to accept that they WERE TAKEN DOWN and it was PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE according to the methodology of the Official Report."
No, it wasn't physically impossible.
Being an accessory after the fact is just as culpable as those whom initially committed Murder.
TT appreciate your inputs, but I beg to differ with you on the quantity and quality outside the free fall acceleration of all 3 building in lower Manhattan. There was in fact evidence of the dust that was examined by Dr. Steven Jones and Niels Harrit that examined the active thermite and residue of the dust samples they were able to obtain.
If you haven't read this before it's a must.
http://www.911research.wtc7.net/mirrors/bentham_open/ActiveThermitic_Har...
Please read my reply to Radical Marijuana. You will understand my point. Thanks.
Yes, Tall Tom: "But without VERIFIABLE EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE it is mere Speculation."
What we do know for sure is that there was never any proper investigation of the crime scene, as should have been done, and as required by law. Instead, the crime scenes were immediately cleaned up, and most of the evidence summarily destroyed. THAT PROVES A LOT!
That it took about a year and a half for victims' family members to pressure for an investigation, BUT then, that became a rigged 9/11 Commission, which the majority of the members of that commission have since complained about being rigged, is typical of what were are facing. That the 9/11 Commission's budget was an order of magnitude less than for Clinton's perjury sex scandal investigation is another sign of what was going on. Etc. ... From an abstract point of view, the most crazy and corrupt reports came from NIST, because those were the most blatantly fraudulent science.
Imagine any other disaster, like an airplane crash, AND THEN THE FIRST THING DONE WAS TO CLEAR AWAY THE WRECKAGE AND DESTROY IT, which was mostly what happened on 9/11! For instance, right away, at the Pentagon, a bunch of guys in suits are out there picking up the wreckage ... WTF?
I have usually found, to the degree that I have looked, that those people in the chain of command that could stop there being any proper investigations, or court cases, were the kinds of people, with the kinds of connections, which one would expect to be there, given the nature of the rest of the 9/11 Conspiracy. The signs are everywhere that those who were given charge over the fake investigations were insiders on the cover-up, and perhaps some of them part of the planning.
For me, the IMPOSSIBILITY of the building collapses to make consistent common sense, or to be consistent with the substance steel, drove me to conclude that there MUST have been controlled demolitions, which then drives all the rest of the questions and conclusions about who could have done that, and how they could have done that, which then leads on to speculations why they would. My view continues to be that they are mass murderers, planning on more mass murders, and IF 9/11 TRUTH ever started to change things, that would trigger even worse false flag attacks. Indeed, I suspect that people working for more 9/11 Truth have probably gotten their names on lists of people to be murdered in the future, when the democidal martial law being prepared gets fully implemented.
In my view Justice comes from the conservation of energy, working through evolutionary ecologies, and therefore, there does not have to be any Justice other than those processes provide. WE ARE STUCK IN THE RUT ON HISTORY THAT THE PEOPLE WHO WERE THE BEST AT BEING DISHONEST, AND BACKING THAT UP WITH VIOLENCE, PREVAILED. The only Justice may be the final destruction of Neolithic Civilization, due to it becoming so totally controlled by force backed frauds, too much, for too long.
"What we do know for sure is that there was never any proper investigation of the crime scene, as should have been done, and as required by law. Instead, the crime scenes were immediately cleaned up, and most of the evidence summarily destroyed. THAT PROVES A LOT!"
It doesn't prove anything. Two 110 story buildings collapsed. A fire burned in the debris pile for a month. It took over 6 months to remove the debris, thus it was not immediately cleaned up. Most of what you call evidence, was the 77 and 92 stories that were below where the planes struck the buildings, simply torn apart by the debris falling down on them.
you conveniently leave out the TEMPERATURE of those fires that burned deep and below for 8 WEEKS without any possible explanation based upon your theory of the collapse and the minimal temperature that office fires would produce because even NIST admits the ariplane fuel would BURN UP IMMEDIATELY
You are flat out asserting absurdities, moneybots!
Despite the complaints that it was extremely important to future architectural designs, and fire departments, etc., to understand why those three buildings collapsed, no serious effort was made, but rather the physical evidence that was necessary was destroyed instead before it could be properly studied. Many years later, bullshit was pumped out as reports, which deliberately ignored most of the evidence, in order to arrive at predetermined conclusions.
The reason that engineers and architects are amongst the foremost of those calling for an investigation of 9/11 is that IF ordinary fires caused steel frame buildings to suddenly collapse, then then the building codes for all such buildings in the future should be drastically changed. However, no other steel frame buildings before or since have ever collapsed suddenly from ordinary fires, despite many of them having way more blazing infernos for far longer. Building codes have not been changed. What happened on 9/11, IF one accepts the official story, violated the laws of nature in several absurdly impossible ways ... The rational conclusion is that the official story is a pack of lies. The more one examines the available information, the more obvious it becomes that:
THE ONLY POSSIBLE WAY THAT A STEEL FRAME STRUCTURE CAN SUDDENLY COLLAPSE AT NEAR FREE FALL SPEED STRAIGHT DOWN IS BY ITS INTERNAL SUPPORTS HAVING BEEN SUDDENLY DESTROYED BY SOME CONTROLLED DEMOLITION.
THEREFORE, 9/11 MUST HAVE BEEN AN INSIDE JOB, WHICH WAS PROMOTED AS A FALSE FLAG ATTACK, TO BLAME PEOPLE WHO COULD NOT POSSIBLY HAVE DONE IT, AND DID NOT DO IT.
Radical Marijuana.
I understand that it was impossible for the Official Story to be valid. I understand that much of the evidence was destroyed.
There is no doubt that they were taken down. I thought that I was clear in my original post.
But instead of arguing speculative methodologies of the demolition which distract from the major subject at hand we need to be planning how to take our Legitimate Government back from the criminals whom have hijacked it.
We need to be contemplating the prosecution of the criminals and subsequent elimination of those from the ranks of humanity.
Personally I am inclined to believe a "Controlled Demolition" paradigm as the simplest explanation. But arguing if it was Resonant Energy versus Thermite Initiated Implosion does not serve those who stand for a restoration of Lawful Constitutional Government well.
Whom did it is much more important than to how it was accomplished. (And we know whom did it as they are those whom are vainly attempting to cover it up.)
Perhaps the neolithic civilization will face destruction due to the fraudulent and corrupted activities of some. That is tragic.
That was the point of my post.
You are correct on all those points, Tall Tom!
Yes, Tesla brought down his lab on top of his own head with resonance experiments. However the collapse of the buildings are classic signatures of demolition. I've never seen a building go down from resonant sound waves, so I have no basis for stating anything about it. It would probably be picked up on siesmic sensors though.
resonant sound waves..
worth researching
No. It is worth research whom were responsible for doing it so that they are brought to justice. Anything else is distraction and noise.
Excuse me while I shapen my Cold Steel Guillotine Bade. I think that soon there will be a use for it...VERY SOON.
We need to open a storefront, "Executions ~R~ Us".
Business will be booming Post Collapse.
i believe that a guy in a cave hooked up to a dialysis machine coordinated the infiltration of the perps into the usa, trained them to fly large jetliners by having them fail pilot training on single engine cessnas, carefully planned the timing of the attack to match the same day as a huge training mission that involved the same scenario of multiple hijacked planes and brilliantly thwarted the most protected airspace in the world 4 times for almost 2 hours.
i believe the twin towers were so shoddily built that the main center supports of the buildiongs were so weak that they collapsed at the base, broken off at neat diagonal angles suggesting the steel was too weak to support the buildiong even though the weight they were built to support kept falling away from them as the building collapsed.
i believe building 7 collapsed so neatly into it's basement because the design of the building incorporated a special secret engineering trick that made the building fall straight down when only one side of the building was in danger of collapsing so the surrounding buildings could be saved from damage in the event the building might fall to the side of the damage.
i believe my .gov. i trust my .gov. my .gov is here to help me. they did their best that day. they sure did.
Were you his attending physician? If you are going to say the name Benezir Bhutto, ask yourself how good was her intelligence. Ever seen Ayman al Zawahiri without his beard? Did you know he's really Woody Allen? Sure. I read it on the internet. Now you have, too.
Yeah -and another point. Our government would never lie to us. They're the good guys. If they did, our crackerjack national press would surely hold them accountable and they would all be put in jail. The New York Times has ace reporters who can always sniff out the truth -if they didn't- their superiors would surely fire them. The New York Times stands for Truth - their constituents include all the Wall Street executive types - servants of God who protect our liberties - Patriots like Loyd Blankfein.
9/11 clearly Aliens did it. For example the moron that got on the mic and blamed the governement. His space cadet status is undeniable. Then there are the others here who suffer from paranoia but possibly are being controlled remotely by the un named mic guy. I'm safe as I have my head wrapped in aluminum foil.
Hey theeseer, isn't their a Yahoo thread where you can spew your garbage?
Aluminum foil? That's really funny and original. We don't need to protect our heads because we all live in our parent's basement.
You are either a shill or an imbecile, which is it?
Maybe it was Alien insurgents then? That's the only other possible answer because the official story contradicts the laws of physics hundreds of times. Nevermind that the gov had motive, means and opportunity, and that facts and basic laws of physics point directly at them.
Nevermind facts! Nevermind science! 9/11 was conducted by a bunch of goat herder insurgents, The moon is made of cheese, and you're a magical leprachaun!
Now, gimme your treasure bitch!
"Nevermind facts! Nevermind science! 9/11 was conducted by a bunch of goat herder insurgents"
The fact is that the hijackers were not goat herders.
Yea, you're right, they weren't goat herders.
They were in fact piss poor pilots who couldn't fly cessnas let alone commercial planes conducting some of the most difficult maneuvers ever seen. They were also pruportedly fundamentalist Islamists working for Osama Bin Laden, and they enjoyed their free time drinking heavily and spending long evenings at strip clubs. (True fact!) Those type of people are certainly the most likely to commit a suicide bombing right!!
Fuck. Weak.
"They were in fact piss poor pilots who couldn't fly cessnas let alone commercial planes conducting some of the most difficult maneuvers ever seen."
Atta was certified to fly a cessna, thus he could fly.
All Atta had to do was turn the jetliner south toward NYC, then fly at the North Tower. It was not a difficult maneuver. Video of flight 175 did not show any extraordinary maneuvering as it flew toward the South Tower.
The most difficult maneuver was the plane that flew into The Pentagon.
"Atta was certified to fly a cessna, thus he could fly."
congratulations, The dumbest statement ever made on the subject.
"It was not a difficult maneuver.."
I take that back, this is
You are aware of all the experienced and trained pilots trying to hit it in simulators. Now don't conveniently leave ot the speed. That's kinda a big factor. Speed that the (unaltered) commercial plane can't do. The only way individulas can hit the tower is by slowing down the speed dramatically.
My Seventeen Year Old Nephew flies Cessna's. It is quite a bit different flying a Cessna than flying a Commercial Jet without an autopilot.
As I have been grooming my nephew to become a Pilot and an Aeronautical Engineer since the time he was Eight I am very pleased that he is currently enrolled in College. But now he wants an ATC job.
So do tell me...since you are such an "expert" on Flight...
What are the Four Forces acting on any aircraft in stable flight?
What are the three axial motions that Planes are subject to?
Identify the point on which the axis intersect...IF THEY INTERSECT. Or Identify the points of axial rotation if they do not intersect.
What control surfaces on the airplane control the three axial motions?
My bet is that you will have to look up the answers...if you can find it.
Then tell me how Jets stop on short runways.
Then I want you to tell me how easy it is to fly a Jet.
Well supposedly, according to the US Government, they were Saudi Nationals.
Of course it is perfectly rational to kill Goat Herders in Afghanistan and Iraq because a bunch of Saudis hijack some aircraft.
Right? That is a rational course of action?
You miss the sarcasm. I believe that is INTENTIONAL and DISHONEST.
The time grows short...very short. I can hardly wait for justice served.
"The time grows short...very short. I can hardly wait for justice served."
Ding...ding...ding!
Do a little bit of research and then get back with us. A few days ago, I would be agreeing with you. The great thing about this site is that you can learn a lot by taking someone's wacky thought or comment and following up on it. Often you will find it wasn't so wacky after all.
Means, Motive and Opportunity???
Unfortunately my choice is #2
FYI...There will never be another investigation as long as the Current Corrupted Government of the United States exists.
As a DIRECT RESULT I am looking forward to the total and complete collapse and destruction of the United States Economy as that will make the US Government IRRELEVANT. (It seems that my desires will be realized.)
They both killed Kennedy and also conspired to pull off 9-11 with Saudi Money and assistance. Saudi wanted Iraq destroyed as the House of Saud preceived them as a Mortal Threat. The USA wanted the excuse to go to war and to restrict the Public's Constitutional Rights.
The TRAITOR are the ones whom support the Crimes committed by the Government against the people of the United States. The PATRIOTS are those whom seek the truth and want justice and the Rule of Law to prevail.
After the collapse we will bring the TRAITORS to justice and EXECUTE THEM.
Let's roll... You first.
Hey down voter, I am right behind you, honest.
What makes you think that I have not been rolling?
I just upvoted you.
I thought I was the only one that suspected fishiness concerning the Osama Bin Laden affair. It was one thing to find him, but fast forwarding to the burial at sea seemed over the top, the stuff of fiction writers.
But equally as fishy is the Twin Towers coming down via the hands of Saudi Arabia using boxcutters. The nine eleven thing was just like Pearl Harbor being the fuse to set off the WW2 chain of events. NY was an inside job.
Pakistani ISI had declared Osama dead years and years before the Obama kill mission. Then team 6 lost a bunch of guys that were supposedly on that same mission in a helicopter crash. WTF over.
Pakistani ISI also wired 100k to the lead "terrorist" the night before 911. That fact has been conveniently swept
No 2 and No 3
2 planes
3 buildings
WTC 7
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zv7BImVvEyk
think they only used one plane
that was for the second tower....
get the footage for the news...
all other footage digital fakery
No. They used Two Planes. It happened the way that it happened. The Official Story just does not tell it as it happened.
There were no "Holographic Planes". But it was staged for the World to see with very real props and no Special Effects.