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The U.S. and Its Allies Had Contact with Bin Laden and the 9/11 Hijackers Many Times Before 9/11

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The report that the FBI had a human resource in direct contact with Bin Laden in 1993 - and covered it up and hid it from the 9/11 Commission and Congress - is newsworthy.  See this Washington Times report and NBC News coverage.

But that's just the tip of the iceberg:

  • The mainstream French paper Le Figaro alleged that the CIA met with Bin Laden himself 2 months before 9/11
  • A high-level military intelligence officer says that his unit – tasked with tracking Bin Laden prior to 9/11 – was pulled off the task, and their warnings that the World Trade Center and Pentagon were being targeted were ignored
  • The National Security Agency and the FBI were each independently listening in on the phone calls between the supposed mastermind of the attacks and the lead hijacker. Indeed, the FBI built its own antenna in Madagascar specifically to listen in on the mastermind’s phone calls
  • According to various sources, on the day before 9/11, the mastermind told the lead hijacker “tomorrow is zero hour” and gave final approval for the attacks. The NSA intercepted the message that day and the FBI was likely also monitoring the mastermind’s phone calls
  • According to the Sunday Herald, two days before 9/11, Bin Laden called his stepmother and told her “In two days, you’re going to hear big news and you’re not going to hear from me for a while.” U.S. officials later told CNN that “in recent years they’ve been able to monitor some of bin Laden’s telephone communications with his [step]mother. Bin Laden at the time was using a satellite telephone, and the signals were intercepted and sometimes recorded.” Indeed, before 9/11, to impress important visitors, NSA analysts would occasionally play audio tapes of bin Laden talking to his stepmother.
  • And according to CBS News, at 9:53 a.m on 9/11, just 15 minutes after the hijacked plane had hit the Pentagon, “the National Security Agency, which monitors communications worldwide, intercepted a phone call from one of Osama bin Laden’s operatives in Afghanistan to a phone number in the former Soviet Republic of Georgia”, and secretary of Defense Rumsfeld learned about the intercepted phone call in real-time (if the NSA monitored and transcribed phone calls in real-time on 9/11, that implies that it did so in the months leading up to 9/11 as well)

Indeed, former counter-terrorism boss Richard Clarke theorizes that top CIA brass tried to recruit the hijackers and turn them to our side, but were unsuccessful. And – when they realized had failed – they covered up their tracks so that the FBI would not investigate their illegal CIA activities , “malfeasance and misfeasance”, on U.S. soil.

And former FBI translator Sibel Edmonds - deemed credible by the Department of Justice’s Inspector General, several senators (free subscription required), and a coalition of prominent conservative and liberal groupsalleges that the U.S. worked with Bin Laden right up to 9/11 ... and for months afterwards.

Whether or not she's right, it's indisputable that 9/11 was entirely foreseeable ... as was Al Qaeda flying airplanes into the World Trade Center and Pentagon.

As is the fact that the U.S. has backed the world's most dangerous and radical Muslim terrorists for decades.

 

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Thu, 02/27/2014 - 13:54 | 4485375 TheAnswerIs42
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A few months after 9/11, a guy driving a big Ford sedan with out of state plates pulls up to my house and says he's trying to find a neighbor I never heard of.

This is a pretty rural area and everyone knows everyone else.

Then he "noticed" one of our cars, it was a 2001 Saab, which we had actually picked up at the factory in Trollhatten and then driven all over Europe, even stopping in Hamburg.

This trip was  several months before 9/11. Also the wife had previously worked in Saudi for a few years. It didn't take long for me to realize what was going on here...

I gave him a lot of BS about the car and our trip. After a while he just left, but I'll never forget it.

 

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 12:31 | 4484850 the grateful un...
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  • never trust information left laying out in the open
    Bill Clinton had plans to attack Bin Ladens camp in Afghanistan, but did not ( lack of Congressional approval was the reason)
  • Afghanistan shares a border with China.
  • Do you know the name of the Chinese secret police (of course you don't)
  • Bill Clinton proposed WTO for China.
  • Soon after GWB was elected the Chinese forced down one of our spy planes. They later returned it in pieces.
  • George W Bush signed WTO for China two weeks after 9/11.
  • GWB preached reconciliation to Taiwan and he pulled troops back from the DMZ in Korea.
  • GWB was known as the Manchurian president.
  • American tech companies have actively assisted the Chinese government in arresting dissidents.
    Pro Democracy demonstrators at Tienemen Square were arrested after American media sources uploaded their images to the satellite, where the Chinese authorities could access their photos and arrest them.
  • tThe Chinese were supporting the militias committing genocide in Darfur, in exchange for an oil deal with the Khartoum government. The genocide was Arab against Christian, the US sent a team, which reported the facts, but nothing was done. A short time later the US invaded Iraq.
  • the marketing of China as a member of the global economy remains the goal of Western powers, whether China remains a US surrogate (think Japan, carry trade, only much bigger) is hard to guess. The Chinese people are compliant to a fault, accepting whatever their government tells them. this is the economic model which America's corporate leadership envisions for the west. Schmidt of Google recently said this, they don't care about constitutional rights, they want economic opportunity. 
  • the dog which did not bark is what we must pay attention to... Silver Blaze ,  Sherlock Holmes

 

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 12:04 | 4484717 xavi1951
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Big yawn!  More GW fodder for the 911 truthers.  And if you don't believe what he tells you, just check his sources, himself.

 

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 10:42 | 4484290 esum
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only the pilots of the 4 a/c knew it was a suicide mission...

the muscle was taken for a ride

and there were more planes to be hijacked on the west coast

the entire plot was on Ramsey Yousef's (Kahlid Sheik Mohammeds nephew) computer ... turned over to the FBI by Philipine intel back in '93

it was Ramsey Yousef who trained the OKC bombers Nicols and Mc Veigh who met with Moussoui (the 20th hijacker) in a motel in the midwest.. 

think we learned.... think again

the Boston bombers were FBI "informants" who played the FBI for 3 years... 3 warnings from Saudi Arabia - ignored  3 warnings from Russia - ignored... 

warned about 9/11 -  ignored

warned about boston - ignored

what else do we have to worry about -- how about an iranian cargo ship launching nukes off the east coast... followed by martial law

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 12:31 | 4484756 Winston Smith 2009
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the entire plot was on Ramsey Yousef's (Kahlid Sheik Mohammeds nephew) computer ... turned over to the FBI by Philipine intel back in '93

Nope.  That was the Bojinka Plot:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bojinka_plot

it was Ramsey Yousef who trained the OKC bombers Nicols and Mc Veigh who met with Moussoui (the 20th hijacker) in a motel in the midwest..

Nope. Nichols and his wife went to the Philippines often since his mail-order-bride was from there. He also traveled there by himself on occasion, probably on sex tours. His last visit was an attempt to get away from the OKC bombing plot which he had changed his mind about and didn't want to have anything to do with. The bomb/chemistry expertise was domestic, a meth cooker with a chemistry degree from the Univ. of Calif who both Nichols and McVeigh knew. McVeigh used the wrong terminology when diagramming the bombs after his capture and diagrammed two different versions of the same bomb.

the Boston bombers were FBI "informants" who played the FBI for 3 years...

Nope. But I strongly suspect there were individuals not related to the FBI or any government agency who were watching them. Thus, the bombers' mother's comments about getting calls like, 'We know what you eat, what you read on the Internet.':

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/20/us-usa-explosions-boston-mothe...

No government agency would have revealed that. However, domestic vigilante hackers that operate illegally and exactly like these groups do in China:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/07/magazine/07Human-t.html?pagewanted=all...

were likely responsible for that message. The fedgov allows their illegal actions, way beyond anything the NSA or FBI could ever dream of doing because if they got caught at it even the most "conservative" individuals would be outraged, because they provide anonymous tips, like the one before the Boston bombing that I heard about ONCE and the suspicious concentration of FBI personnel in just the right area to capture the perps. However, the use of hacker vigilantes not officially connected with or specifically known by the fedgov allows the fedgov plausible deniability.

Of course, this illegal Stasi style of surveillance can not only target the wrong individuals, but can actually incite the murderous activities as I believe was the case with McVeigh. It was probably also the reason the FBI and BATFE didn't want to "complicate" the prosecution of Nichols/McVeigh by fully investigating the many leads to others who were less directly involved.

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 09:02 | 4483843 Setarcos
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Wow GW!!  You just woke up'

It has been known for many years that OBL was a CIA asset and that al Qaida was set up by the CIA, when the Taliban was fighting against the Soviets.

Where have you been hiding?

BTW.  Do you still reject the fact that 911 was an inside job, with Mossad heavily involved?

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 07:54 | 4483834 blindman
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Thu, 02/27/2014 - 06:09 | 4483762 3rivers
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Why wouldn't we have been in contact with him?  Ho Chi Minh was our ally, Osama bin Laden was our ally and Saddam Hussein was our ally.  And when it comes to who America's real heroes are today, Kim Jong Un has got to be pretty close to the top of the list for keeping the Always Frightened Everyday American in line, politically submissive and holed up inside his little rabbit hutch with a gun in his hands until it's pried from his cold dead corpse.

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 09:03 | 4483873 Setarcos
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Besides which it has been common knowledge for years - at least in alternative media - that al Qaida was set up by the CIA.

Where have you been hiding GW?  I know that, until recently, you believed in the White House/Wash conspiracy theory that Sept Eleven woz dun by nineteen non-pilots who miraculously totally demolished three massive buidings with two planes.

Sorry WB, but you are WAY behind what hundreds, thousands and even millions knew many years ago.

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 02:02 | 4483596 satoshi123
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The USA MARRIED Usama Bin Laden in 1979.

The report that the FBI had a human resource in direct contact with Bin Laden in 1993 - and covered it up and hid it from the 9/11 Commission and Congress - is newsworthy.

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Jason Burke, Al-Qaeda (Penguin, 2003), p59; Steve Coll, Ghost Wars: The Secret History of the CIA, Afghanistan and Bin Laden (Penguin, 2004), p87; Peter Bergen, The Osama bin Laden I Know (Free Press, 2006), pp60-1; Christopher Andrew and Vasili Mitrokhin, The Mitrokhin Archive II: The KGB and the World (Penguin, 2006), p579n48.
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Usama Bin Laden's CIA biography states, bin Laden left Saudi Arabia to fight the Soviet army in Afghanistan after Moscow’s invasion in 1979. By 1984, he was running a front organization known as Maktab al-Khidamar – the MAK – which funneled money, arms and fighters from the outside world into the Afghan war.

What the CIA bio conveniently fails to specify (in its unclassified form, at least) is that the MAK was nurtured by Pakistan’s state security services, the Inter-Services Intelligence agency, or ISI, the CIA’s primary conduit for conducting the covert war against Moscow’s occupation.

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The CIA, concerned about the factionalism of Afghanistan … found that Arab zealots who flocked to aid the Afghans were easier to “read” than the rivalry-ridden natives. While the Arab volunteers might well prove troublesome later, the agency reasoned, they at least were one-dimensionally anti-Soviet for now. So bin Laden, along with a small group of Islamic militants from Egypt, Pakistan, Lebanon, Syria and Palestinian refugee camps all over the Middle East, became the “reliable” partners of the CIA in its war against Moscow.

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 02:07 | 4483604 satoshi123
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The Bin-Laden family and BUSH Family are siamese twins going back to the 1930's.

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Even as a boy, Osama [ Bin-Laden ] was always considered the "holy one" in the family. He drew attention to himself when he denounced school soccer tournaments as a godless waste of time and assiduously monitored the houses of neighbors, taking it upon himself to enforce the state's prohibition of music. He enrolled in the economics program at Jeddah's King Abd al-Aziz University, where the curriculum was determined by anti-Western agitators from the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood.

Bin Laden with some of his top deputies.
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Bin Laden with some of his top deputies.
The family became divided, into a more stationary branch, and an "international" branch that settled across the globe. One member of the latter camp was Salem bin Laden. He attended a British university, married a woman from an upper-class British family, and vacationed in Disneyland. In 1972, when the Saudi government relinquished control over SBG, Salem, as the family's eldest son, was named head of the company and quickly made it clear that he had no compunctions about doing business with the United States.

Salem bin Laden established the company's ties to the American political elite when, according to French intelligence sources, he helped the Reagan administration circumvent the US Senate and funnel $34 million to the right-wing Contra rebels operating in Nicaragua. He also developed close ties with the Bush family in Texas. But Salem's successors, not Salem, were the ones who were able to fully capitalize on these connections. In 1988, Salem died in a plane crash near San Antonio, Texas, when the aircraft he was piloted became entangled in a power line. After Salem's death, Bakr took control of SBG.

Brother terrorist

In the meantime, trouble was brewing at home in Saudi Arabia -- in Mecca, of all places, and with the presumed involvement of a family member. In November 1979, insurgents occupied and barricaded themselves into Islam's holiest site, demanding an end to corruption and wastefulness in Saudi Arabia and charging the royal family with having lost its legitimacy by currying favor with the West. It was an act of terror that foreshadowed every major plank of the al-Qaida platform of radical fundamentalism -- and it was no coincidence that this radical group was lead by members of the Muslim Brotherhood with ties to Osama's professors.

At the time, Osama was still entrenched in Saudi society, but his older brother, Mahrus, maintained ties to the fanatics. It's even speculated that he may have used his access to SBG's offices to obtain the renovation plans for the Great Mosque, together with all its secret passageways, and handed them over to the radicals. In any event, the fanatics forced their way onto the mosque's grounds in a truck that was later identified as a Binladin company vehicle.

Mahrus bin Laden was arrested, but was then released for lack of evidence. The terrorist attack turned into a nightmare for the authorities. With the help of French special forces, the Saudis managed to overcome the attackers, but only after a two-week siege and a bloody battle claiming more than a hundred lives. For Mahrus's career, however, the affair proved to be nothing more than a minor speed bump and he later resurfaced as head of SBG's office in Medina.

In late 1979, Osama, with the royal family's blessing, set off for Afghanistan to participate in the jihad against the Soviet Union, which had invaded its neighbor to the south. Both the CIA and Saudi Arabia helped fund the Mujahedeen's armed struggle against the communist "infidels." Prince Turki, head of the Saudi secret service, visited Osama several times in Afghanistan and heavy equipment provided by the SBG family business was used to excavate secret tunnels. For Osama, the support of the Saud family and the bin Ladens became a reliable source of funding.

Osama bin Laden with his son Mohammed and Mohammed Atif.
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Osama bin Laden with his son Mohammed and Mohammed Atif.
In 1990, after his triumph in Afghanistan, OBL offered the Saudi royal family the use of his troops to battle Saddam Hussein, whose forces had invaded Kuwait. But King Fahd decided instead to bring in American forces. The decision proved to be a financial coup for the family business, which helped build military bases for the outsiders, but it was turning point in Osama's life. Embittered, he went to Sudan in 1992, where he built training camps and organized attacks with his al-Qaida group, especially against "infidels" from the United States. He also made sure that the planning of terrorist activities remained in the family. His brother-in-law, Mohammed Jamal Khalifa, was involved in the first terrorist attack on the World Trade Center in 1993. On his visa application for the United States, he had listed his occupation as an "employee of the Saudi Binladin Group." Khalifa was briefly detained in the United States, but was then deported to Jordan, where he was released because of formal legal errors. In the past, he had also been implicated as a financial backer of the Philippine Abu Sayyaf terrorist organization.

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 01:54 | 4483591 Radical Marijuana
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Thu, 02/27/2014 - 02:38 | 4483633 DavidPierre
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Thanks RM!

I need some mirth since George Carlin died.

 

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 01:49 | 4483588 satoshi123
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Fuck 'Usama Bin Laden' was working CIA agent as early as 1980, to say 1992 is fucking BULLSHIT of the highest order.

http://www.amazon.com/Charlie-Wilsons-War-Extraordinary-Operation/dp/B00...

Read the book, learn some real USA history.

Bin Laden, the largest construction firm in saudi-arabia, paid for 2nd president bushes baseball stadium in Texas as a gift.

Fuck BUSH tribe (NAZIS) put the Bin-Laden in power post WW2, this is all just PAYBACK.

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 00:00 | 4483414 usednabused
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Ive been thinking ever since the Snowden thing came on that there's the reason the CIA wanted him dead. He more than likely knows enough about 911 to blow the fucking lid off this bunch of criminals we have n Washington. What if he were to implicate DC as being the terrorist capital of the world with some REAL evidence? That'd be a game changer and I'd bet its the ace he has up his sleeve to stay alive. Just my thoughts, but I see no other reason they want him dead so bad or go to such lengths to discredit and silence him.

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 10:37 | 4484274 elwind45
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Snowden is one of our boys just like OBL. Real evidence like on fox?

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 01:51 | 4483593 satoshi123
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Usama Bin Laden had enough material to KILL the USA forever,

You will notice that when the NAVY SEAL went in all of OBAMA's personal file(s) went to the black-hole forever.

Noriega was the same deal, and same for Hussein.

Usama Bin Laden was always a CIA officer since the earliest 1980's, his entire cover of hatred in the WEST was to make the Persians embrace him.

In Persian "AL Queda" means the "The Base" and it always meant the CIA BASE under Bin-Laden.

Funny in Arabia/Persia "AL-queda" means CIA, but in the USA it means sand-nigger, ... go figure.

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 09:02 | 4483984 Setarcos
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OBL was dead by Dec 2001 of kidney disease, the SEAL operation was a stunt.

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 13:32 | 4485251 IPA
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Then make a holy wood style dramatization movie and people belive that to be history, like the recent Lincoln movie... 

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 00:00 | 4483413 Savyindallas
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Too much evidence to even try to list here   - I'm tired of making the case for ignorant stupid sheeple who have their heads buried up their asses -  if they so enjoy the rank scent and atste of methane and their own shit - let them enjoy it. I won't try to help them pull their heads out.

911 was an inside job. end of story.  The only issue is who was involved in the conspiracy and some disputed details as to how th carried it out-   -the short answer as to who was involved is - A LOT -

Their aren't enough suitable trees in America to hang all the traitors  -  we'll have to use lamp posts also.

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 02:22 | 4483613 DavidPierre
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"The only issue is who was involved in the conspiracy..."

 

9/11 Conspiracy Solved: Names, Connections, & Details Exposed!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=n_fp5kaVYhk

 

View this 45 minute documentary, check the evidence and the answers...who and why will be very clear.  It all starts with George H W Bush.  (Yup!... the same guy who was CIA Section Head in Dallas in 1963 and orchestrated the assassination of JFK .)

Special thanks to Michael C. Ruppert, Mark H. Gaffney, and Kevin Ryan for solving the crimes of 9/11 with their amazing research. This video is a compilation of evidence they have uncovered.

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 12:55 | 4484991 moneybots
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"(Yup!... the same guy who was CIA Section Head in Dallas in 1963 and orchestrated the assassination of JFK ."

 

Lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK all by himself.

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 00:23 | 4483456 Holden Caulfield
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Anyone who believes the official 9/11 version is a fool and anyone who supports the official version is a traitor. We will not have liberty nor will the world be safe until 9/11 is re-investigated.

 

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 04:35 | 4483722 daemon
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" ... anyone who supports the official version is a traitor. "

Don't say that. There are people, supporting the official version, who, in good faith, see themselves as patriots and see all those who don't agree with the official story as traitors.

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 12:34 | 4484870 dark_matter
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" ... anyone who supports the official version is a fool and a traitor. "

There, fixed it.

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 13:00 | 4485027 daemon
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" There, fixed it. "

It seems to me that nothing is fixed.

Traitors know that they are commiting treason.

For different reasons, there are people who don't know, and who can't believe the government could lie to them about an event such as 9/11/2001. The idea simply is unacceptable.

I can't describe them as traitors.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 23:49 | 4483382 weburke
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The families whose sons chose the military and families of 911 dont need to know. Whats the point? There will be no resistance, and any is doomed. Typical, this is like prison planet or other websites just trying to incite while there is no recourse offered, and none anywhere else. The only positive news to report on the big boys action, is that no one died at sandy hook elementary. Other than that, just annoying people, george washington is just a fake. Probably not even from america.

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 01:40 | 4483575 satoshi123
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Shit the MIL knows all, they're cleverly told all, and then TOLD that they belong to the TEAM running the Plantation colony.

Doubt that MIL knows all go to veterans-today web and read, its fucking full of alien shit, jfk, and 911. Just like CASS SUNSTEIN advises, to kill the real conspiracy fill the masses with fake conspiracy.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/

#1 MIL online rag and read by all, and they HATE AIPAC and ISRAEL.

Probably #1 reason why OBAMA was sent by AIPAC to destroy the USA MIL.

But make no mistake ZERO HEADS the US-MIL knows much more about the real world than any ZH man-twat.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 23:56 | 4483395 George Washington
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NICE NUMBER 3!

I was born in America, and have lived here my entire life.  I apologize, but I hold the vision of the Founding Fathers to be wise ... and even sacred.

I know, I know... that makes me a terr'ist in the eyes of TPTB...

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 12:15 | 4484768 xavi1951
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So why do you keep selling rumors over the truth and citing your previous articles as fact to support your current articles?  That would NOT be a vision of the Founding Fathers.  

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 10:23 | 4484231 WhyWait
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Good #2 also!

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 09:11 | 4483945 Setarcos
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You do know, of course, that George Washingtom and the other Founding Fathers were elitist landowners who NEVER intended that THEIR Republic would ever be democratic.

The Founding Fathers were the PTB ... and yes you would be a terrorist in their eyes, if you so much as squeeked about their rule.  So nothing has changed thouigh, during the affluent 1960s and 1970s, the PTB allowed us plebs to imagine that we were free to protest, etc..

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 11:55 | 4484254 WhyWait
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#12: distract with irrelevant ad-hominum attack - plus a vague self-legitimizer.  

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 04:44 | 4483724 daemon
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" I hold the vision of the Founding Fathers to be wise ... "

Depending on the point of view, on a planet populated with "baboons", I have to admit that I share your opinion.

 

" ... and even sacred. "

That's where I begin to find you a little bit scary. And I wonder what people like Jefferson, Paine or Madison, for example, would have thought.

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 12:38 | 4484895 WhyWait
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daemon, you buttered up GW with some nice words appealing to the cynic in all of us and then added

 " ' ... and even sacred. '

That's where I begin to find you a little bit scary"

OK, I get your concern, but why here, why now?  What does this have to do with what we're talking about?  Whether you meant it or not this kind of weasely snipe just sows fear and distrust. 

GW's got his shit together, he knows we're dealing with big stakes and he fights like a man. Think carefully about how and when to take him on - and please  pick your time and place! 

Just practicin' ... GW doesn't really need my protection, but this ZH comment line and the whole Internet needs all of ours ... see 

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/08/the-15-rules-of-internet-disinfor...

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 13:51 | 4485167 daemon
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" What does this have to do with what we're talking about? "

I don't  know, but it has to do with his reply.

 

" Whether you meant it or not this kind of weasely snipe just sows fear and distrust. "

I'm not sure I understand your point of view, and I'm not sure you understand mine. But, as english is not my natural language, I guess that, more often than not, ambiguities tend to easily invite themselves in my posts.

 

" Just practicin' ... GW doesn't really need my protection, ... "

At least, not from me.

 

As for the link you provided, I would return you the question :  "OK, I get your concern, but why here, why now?" .... because, when reading an awful lot of comments, I definitely feel that I'm not the one who needs to read it the most.

 

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 18:34 | 4486600 WhyWait
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daemon, wasn't sure you were a troll, sounds lie you're not.

My point is that GW wrote a very substantive blog post about 9/11, Al Qaida, Bin Laden and the CIA connection. It's troll-like behavior - certainoy not manly - to divert the conversation into a discussion of whether he is too scary or too idealistic or too something. It's like nipping at his heels rather than standing up and taking on the substance of what he is offerint.

Maybe one thing trolls do is give everyone else permission to act this way.  Maybe if we all clean up our acts they will stand out more clearly.

 

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 20:27 | 4486977 daemon
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" It's troll-like behavior - certainoy not manly - to divert the conversation into a discussion of whether he is too scary or too idealistic or too something.  "

First of all, may I remind you that I wrote this :  " That's where I begin to find you a little bit scary. " .

That's a subjective feeling I express. I clearly don't pretend to express some objective truth about GW. If I had written something like :  " That's where you are a little bit scary. ", I could have understood your concern and the way you formulate your sentence. Then I address myself directly to himself; so, I assume personally what I write. I don't pretend to write in the name of others. And of course, if he reads my comment, he is free to reply and asks why I wrote this.

Finally, when you write : " ... to divert the conversation ... " , I'm sorry but for all I can read, that happens all the time on ZH, and that definitely doesn't bother me. In fact, GW himself, when he writes : " I apologize, but I hold the vision of the Founding Fathers to be wise ... and even sacred. " ,  is not talking about the 9/11.  He is clearly expressing a personal opinion, that he may feel is related to the comment of weburke, and I definitely don't see anything wrong with this. 

 

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 22:47 | 4483204 kchrisc
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WTC 7 gets a lot of attention, but I am finding that the Pentagon is more and more becoming 9/11's "back and to the left."

There is a cab driver that has admitted that, "this thing is bigger than me," and that the damage to his cab from a lamppost was a setup. Some new video shows something smaller than an airliner hitting the building.

The biggest thing for me, and I grew up around large aviation, is that no way does the whole tail of the supposed airliner follow the rest of the plane into the Pentagon. The vertical and horizontal stabilizers would have impacted the building after most of the impact's energy would have been spent. Parts of them would then have fallen and/or been reflected back onto the lawn. This is not the case in video footage from that day.

Also, like from OKC, the FBI was Johnny On the Spot in confiscating the videos from around the area of the Pentagon and will not release video from those camera or the ones on the Pentagon itself.

"If the Pentagon doesn't fit, then it's not legit"

 

Note to those with security cameras: If something happens and you might have video evidence, hide it and call a lawyer. Also practice this phrase, "Where's your warrant?"

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 12:58 | 4485011 moneybots
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"WTC 7 gets a lot of attention, but I am finding that the Pentagon is more and more becoming 9/11's "back and to the left."

There is a cab driver that has admitted that, "this thing is bigger than me," and that the damage to his cab from a lamppost was a setup. Some new video shows something smaller than an airliner hitting the building."

 

There was no set up.  The Jetliner hit the lamp post and it was the jetliner which hit The Pentagon.

 

 

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 10:17 | 4484203 ManWithaPlan
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A missile hit the Pentagon. The planes that flew into the WTC were unmanned. The WTC were controlled demo's. A plane crashing into a modern skyscraper would not cause it to fall. Bin Laden was not killed by Navy Seals. Your government lies to you. Am I on a list yet? When does zee Gestapo arrive?

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 13:02 | 4485035 moneybots
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"A missile hit the Pentagon. The planes that flew into the WTC were unmanned. The WTC were controlled demo's. A plane crashing into a modern skyscraper would not cause it to fall"

 

A jetliner hit the Pentagon.  Witnesses saw saw an American Airlines jetliner strike the building, just as witnesses saw jetliners hit the WTC Towers.

The jetliners were not unmanned.  The out of control fires caused the buildings to collapse.

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 23:15 | 4487514 kchrisc
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You may be right, but I resisted the conspiracy theories for 12 years--"The scale and scope are too large."

However, I finally realized what I was missing from the freefall arguments about WTC 1 & 2: That they were really two towers in one. An outer-shell holding about 40% of the weight and a steal reinforced core that supported the rest.

An intact inner core would have provided much resistance to the falling top and at a minimum slowed the fall dramatically. Even more likely the core would have forced the falling upper part to careen off to one side, leaving much of the building still standing.

Additionally, there is now video evidence of WTC 7 that show flashes from possible explosives going off in the building before its fall.

In the end, I am really not all that concerned with 9/11, as that event is in the past, and the criminals of the DC US are here today and are coming tomorrow. However, the truth never hurt.

 

"They don't lie, They just never tell the truth."

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 01:21 | 4483551 Radical Marijuana
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fvJ8nFa5Qk

9/11 Pentagon Attack - Behind the Smoke Curtain

- Barbara Honegger presentation January 12, 2013, makes the point that the Pentagon Attack was symbolically even more important than the World Trade Tower attacks. After discussing the evidence for a couple hours, Honegger reviews her conclusions regarding who ran the 9/11/2001 inside job, false flag attack. At about the 2:15 mark in that video, she states the 9/11 was not merely an evil plot, it was a diabolical plot, and at about the 2:19 mark, she states that "The Insider 9/11 Plot Was the Highest Evil."

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 23:37 | 4483347 Mitzibitzi
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I totally agree about the components of the tail section; they're made out of baling wire, spit and Kleenex. You do not need to be a rocket scientist to spot this... how far forward are the wings mounted on most every airplane? Way closer to the front than the back, right?

So, lift acts directly upwards from the vertical plane of the centre of pressure of the wing. About 19" back from the leading edge on a 757, given a normal cruising attitude and engine setting at cruising altitude.

Now watch how big airplanes land! They slow right the fuck down, go nose up so their main gear hits the deck first, then slow down and lower the nose onto the spindly nose gear.

Both of which, according to the laws of physics, meaning that the fucking plane is DESIGNED to fly slightly nose up. Normally.

So, if we were intending to fly one of these motherfuckers into the Pentagon, then we'd need to dive the bitch into the 5-corner-puzzle-palace to ensure it didn't just bounce off.

This aircraft was flown by suicide bomber terrorist types?

Even the OFFICIAL report says the plane went in nearly flat. Why is that? Even the most retarded terror-pilot can be pretty reasonably assumed to have some basic knowledge of the laws of physics. They could never have qualified as a pilot if they didn't.

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 22:30 | 4483154 fooshorter
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I love George Washingtons posts alot, but I have moved on from giving a flying fuck about what the MSM has to say years ago.  

 

Officially they are 12+ years in being complicate to murder of 3000 citizens and internationals. Everyday they refuse to talk about it or force action they are just as guilty as the real perpurators.

 

I literally LOL when people believe a bunch of 3rd world patsys in caves planned and perfectly executed the most sophisticated false flag in the history of humanity. It always gets fun when you suggest they are still alive.

 

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 22:55 | 4483233 Hard Assets
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This is a mind-blowing article....thank you ZH.

I could go thru every bullet point and hit every link, read until my eyes turned completely red and my hair spontaneously burst into flames.... but I won't.

I can't stand the pain of 9/11 much longer.

How is it, that I, John Doe, have understood that the "official story" is the most brazen, stinking pile of horseshit in the history of the world, yet, it cannot be "proved" otherwise.

WHAT THE FUCK does it take?? Does it take George W. Bush walking up to a mic and admitting it was an "inside job" or a LIHOP?

I am nearly in tears. WHAT THE FUCK DOES IT TAKE?

Sorry.... 

 

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 13:11 | 4485091 Ace Ventura
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What does it take? If you're waiting for a confession out of those involved.....ain't gonna happen. Not until they start to suffer physical consequences of their actions. To date, none of them has had to worry about that, because the metastasizing police state serves their interests. Thus, the only way to break this system is just that....BREAK it.

As in, 1776 Vol. II.

Way too much rot, way too much corruption, WAY too much firmly-entreched tyranny......to solve any of this through 'peaceable means'.

Thu, 02/27/2014 - 01:03 | 4483521 Radical Marijuana
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I sympathize, Hard Assets! The most extreme personal examples of that sort of emotional process was within those who had family members who were murdered, who gradually were forced to face the fact that they were murdered in an inside job, false flag attack, for which there would likely never be any justice. It is difficult to imagine the family members who forced the 9/11 Commission to belatedly happen, only to see that was such an absurd cover-up that even the majority of members on that Commission eventually complained about that themselves! The closer to Ground Zero one gets, the worse it becomes!

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