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I Don’t Know What’s Going On In Ukraine, But I Do Know One Thing: We Should STAY OUT OF IT
Most American mainstream media say that the Ukranian people rose up against a decadent dictator to chart their own destiny.
On the other hand, some knowledgeable commentators say that the Ukranian protests were really a violent coup initiated by the U.S., and carried out by Neo-Nazi factions within Ukraine.
People like Mark Ames argue that all sides have dirt on their hands.
Still others – like Charles Hugh Smith – say that there are much deeper forces at work. Indeed, some argue this is really a war over natural gas (and see this and this).
At this point, I have no idea which of these explanations is correct, or whether some combination of these forces is playing out in the region.
But I do know one thing: we should stay the heck out of Ukraine.
After all:
- Ukraine is far away … on the other side of the world
- As neighbors with Russia – and a former part of the Soviet Union – Russia considers the Ukraine to be part of its national security interest
- Russia is a nuclear power
Moreover, I want to stay out of another war for very practical reasons:
- War is horrible for our economy
- “Humanitarian war” is a scam
This isn’t our fight … and the downside of getting involved are gigantic.
Bonus:
Are the American People FINALLY Starting to Stand Up to Those Who Are Trying to Take Away Our Liberties?
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fight an illegitimate war because the U.S. signed some piece of paper? nice try. besides, that was with ukraine's government... which no longer exists as it was overthrown by hooligans.
this sort of legalistic thinking is what caused WWI and untold millions of deaths. Time to think in terms of choices based on truth, not mindless obedience to banker fabricated rules and laws.
Parroting the party line on Russian state owned television diminishes your credibility.
The government can go, but the treaty remains, and so are the borders.
Yet, as you rightfully said, the treaty is just a piece of paper, and as some other good samaritan said above, we just can shit on it, as it is absolutely unenforceable. The consequences are likely, but it is up to you to judge them.
However, between fighting the war and inaction, there are many things that can be done, without any noticeable damage to the US (and maybe some benefit). We can through the Russians away from G7 and from UN security council, impose econical and financial sanctions, freeze or confiscate assets. No single shot on our part, yet still huge damage to Russia.
The Ukraine currently has an illegal and unelected govt. No one elected these oligarchs. They illegally removed a President who was legally elected by the people.
so a treaty with nazi germany would still be binding on modern Germany?
"Sorry George, but in this particular case i think you are wrong. Actually, the US is bound by quite strong treaty with Ukraine, where it guarantees it sovereignty and borders in exchange of Ukraine giving up its nukes."
I'm thinking the Ukraine just learned the consequence of having shitty taste in friends.
Oh well. First pass as a Soviet republic only lasted 70 years. Second pass should be a breeze. Be sure to tell your grandkids all about the Kenyan. Best of luck. And I do mean that sincerely. Because there are those of us in the US old enough to look at the Kenyan, remember your country's history, and realize that you're well and truely fucked.
Don't feel too bad.....we are too.
Little bit late Georgie....
I confess I do not listen to talk radio often but I did listen today and all I heard were fucking chicken hawks beating the war drums.
Were they debating what flag waving Americans should rename the White Russian?
Sorry, "White Russian" is Belarus. The Ukrainians are "Little Russians".
Name names or this is horseshit.
Let BlO'reilly, Hannity, Bushie & Rushie's nephews and kiddeez GO FIGHT.
Dumb white US rural hicks always flock to be hamburger for 3rd world hellhole's "freedom"
I might be consdiderd a dumb white US rural hick by a bigot like you but I probably know a lot more on what is going on in the Ukraine. I don't watch TV or Hollywood's shit which you probably do like a moron.
Start here assuming you can f**king read:
http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/
GW or his buddy saying both sides have dirty hands is BS. This is all the NWO/NeoCons/RINo/Dems/Soros and Obama's BS that caused this coup.
The Russians and Putin are no angels but their hands are largely clean.
McCain is especially dispicable today. He is attacking the Russians and claiming obama is out of touch. McCain and Obama are totally owned by the NWO and Soros. Evil clowns.
Those fucking chicken hawks can pick up rifles and go bear hunting on their own.