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Ukraine’s Battle is Doomed

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It’s history in the making, sitting on the sidelines, watching the scuffle happen and roll before your very eyes. But, it’s not worth a great deal when you know what the end of the match is going to be. There’s hardly any point in watching the murder, mystery and suspense film, when you know that it was Colonel Mustard in the ballroom with the dagger, rather than with Miss Scarlett. It’s the same with Ukraine. We know what the outcome might be already and really the only reason we are sitting watching the war film is because it’s on our doorstep in Europe and in our back yard in the Western world. Plus, it revives the old fears, the old divisions, the old hassles and we all sit their saying that we "haven’t moved on one bit from the Cold Wall". They should have kept the Berlin Wall standing as it didn’t do any long-term good dismantling it 1989 some might even say. The only thing it brought about was catharsis from the past actions of division. Whatever happens between Russia and the West in Ukraine, the country will be doomed to failure.

Ukraine’s interim government, after having ousted President Viktor Yanukovich and seen him flee into the shirt-tails of Vladimir Putin, has decided to hold on to temporary power before elections are to take place. In order to do so, the interim government has quickly cottoned on to the fact that they are in need of money. The West might bung them a few billion, or one maybe (according to Secretary of State John Kerry), if they are lucky. Although, it should be remembered that money pledged to another state is a bit like charity money after a natural disaster somewhere in the world. Firstly, it’s only a promise and promises don’t have to be upheld in this world. Secondly, we don’t have to give it immediately. So, in the meantime, the Ukrainians are getting all the rich oligarchs of the country into the government and on their side. They really have understood what the definition of government is, haven’t they?

For example, two of the richest people in the country have been given positions in the interim government already. Igor Kolomoisky, billionaire Ukrainian and now the Governor of the region of Dnipropetrovskimmediately used his new function to call Vladimir Putin “schizophrenic [and] of short stature”. It’s like times of old, when guys get awarded whole regions of a country for the playroom. Although admittedly, Vladimir Putin measures 5’7”. The second is Serhiy Taruta, Ukrainian businessman and chairman of the Industrial Union of Donbas, President of FC Metalurh Donetsk and with an estimated wealth of $2 billion. Now, he is regional administrator of the region of Danetsk.

There are nine billionaires in Russia today according to the Forbes Rich List. They have all made their money from Ukraine’s natural resources.

Politics and Business go hand in hand. Are they (like our) business-oriented politicians or rather political businessmen?

All acting in the West and the East?

Is all the heated anger just feigned from both parties in the west and the East? Remember when on March 26th 2012 the US President was caught on hot mic giving a nod and a wink to Dmitry Medvedev supposedly behind the backs of the public (you would think that they would learn by now that the mic is open and the cameras are rolling still):

Obama: On all these issues, but particularly missile defense, this, this can be solved but it’s important for him to give me space.
Medvedev: Yeah, I understand. I understand your message about space. Space for you…
Obama: This is my last election. After my election I have more flexibility.
Medvedev: I understand. I will transmit this information to Vladimir.

Obama won the election and now it’s that flexibility in view and not just in terms of national security and ballistic missiles either. Although, it should be remembered that it was so important to protect national security that we had to have our lives invaded by the prying National Security Agency. As soon as President Obama had entered office, it was then that he decided to cancel an agreement of the Bush Presidency, infuriating Polandand the Czech Republic. Ukraine wasn’t asked what they thought back then. The missile-defense shield was scrapped by Obama to the joy of the Russians, leaving the way open to do what they wanted. The Strategic Arms Reduction (START) Treaty also became binding and strictly reduced the USA‘s flexibility on missile-defense activity. The USA lost flexibility, Obama gained it and so did Russia.

Perhaps all of this was planned in the long-term long ago and now the guys in the West and those in the East are just play acting. Me thinks that the European bunch never got told since they are at a loss as t’where they should be running.

Whatever happens, Ukraine will fall. If they get overrun by the Russian oligarchs, then they are doomed. If the West sells out on them, they are doomed. If the West helps them, they are doomed. If they continue with their own oligarch government, they are doomed.

Doomed means likely to have an inescapable outcome. Play your bets, ladies and gentlemen.

Originally posted: Ukraine’s Battle is Doomed

 

 

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Wed, 03/05/2014 - 15:48 | 4513056 Landrew
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This situation is all about banking and the lack of capital and credit. It's not  surprising the NEW president of the Ukraine is the former CENTRAL BANKER! The banks were empty and people were pissed their funds were gone. Not getting paid a few billion will do that to you.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 15:40 | 4513011 Orwell was right
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PivotFarm knows as much about Russia and world poltics as my dog knows about IRS Form 1040....(why is this guys still writing articles for ZH???)   WTF

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 16:34 | 4513274 ANDiam
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looks like - at least - he can correctly construct a sentence - WHY do you read them if you don't like them - or why don't you post an article yourself if you are such an intelligent guy - only thing I can say is your dog must be damn more intelligent than you to fill in the IRS;) - that's if you allowed it to do so. Anyone that disagrees with you seems to get told they are dicks. 

 

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 15:36 | 4512987 Hongcha
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I saw a gorilla hurling feces at the Glen Oak Zoo in Peoria, Illinois in 1965.  Everyone was laughing at him.  I was 4 years old and will never forget it.  I felt very badly for that gorilla and I have since despised zoos.  I hate my elected leaders in the same way my chickens hate me ... coldly, matter-of-factly, naturally.  The way I see it, Politicians are my natural enemy and I would not piss on 99.999% of them if they were on fire.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 16:50 | 4513388 shovelhead
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"Mr.Tweedy...

CHICKENS DO NOT PLOT."

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 15:13 | 4512885 supermaxedout
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No good idea to start trouble with Russia

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/08/29/us-purchases-all-afghanis...

or this http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/national-security/a-logistics-mir...

or the Northern Distribution Network (NDN)

Lithuania together with Latvia and Estonia play an important role in the Northern Distribution Network (NDN). Established in 2008, the NDN is a strategic transportation corridor consisting of a 3,100-mile network of sea, road, and rail routes going through the Baltic States, Belarus, Russia, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan, and terminating in northern Afghanistan. Created as an alternative to the overloaded Pakistan Ground Line of Communication, the NDN’s main goals are to support

https://www.cimicweb.org/cmo/afg/Documents/Security/130614%20-%20CFC_Log...

In short USA needs Russia in order not to leave Afghanistan in the same style as it happened in Vietnam. As long as the US and the UK are engaged in Afghanistan they need Russia. But when leaving Afghanistan and Pakistan these countries are going to be part of the Russia/China/India economic zone

http://thediplomat.com/2014/02/india-drawn-to-the-shanghai-cooperation-o..

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 14:59 | 4512817 Itchy and Scratchy
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Nothing worse than double doom in my books!

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 14:57 | 4512812 Itchy and Scratchy
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Double doom?

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 13:55 | 4512511 Comte d'herblay
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 Ukrainians are getting all the rich oligarchs of the country into the government and on their side. They really have understood what the definition of government is, haven’t they?

"For example, two of the richest people in the country have been given positions in the interim government already. Igor Kolomoisky, billionaire Ukrainian and now the Governor of the region of Dnipropetrovskimmediately used his new function to call Vladimir Putin “schizophrenic [and] of short stature”. It’s like times of old, when guys get awarded whole regions of a country for the playroom. Although admittedly, Vladimir Putin measures 5’7”. The second is Serhiy Taruta, Ukrainian businessman and chairman of the Industrial Union of Donbas, President of FC Metalurh Donetsk and with an estimated wealth of $2 billion. Now, he is regional administrator of the region of Danetsk.

There are nine billionaires in Russia today according to the Forbes Rich List. They have all made their money from Ukraine’s natural resources".

 

Precisely. This should run all day on the news cycle so that others know what's really happening.

 

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 16:52 | 4513278 snowlywhite
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and after this happend Sunday, Monday suddenly russians are much more cooperant ;)

 

plus, think abit: if Russia wouldn't invade, how could anyone justify giving regions to Kolomoisky or Taruta? Those in the square would lynch such a guy in the next 12h. But now, when the "country is in danger"(sure, noone shot a bullet, but hey)... 

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 13:53 | 4512500 ptolemy_newit
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Dear goldman

please we let steven and johnathon come to the Ukraine and support our employment.

can you imagine?  i am a nobody

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 13:41 | 4512438 BeetleBailey
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Can we get the motherfucking Iron Curtain back?

It was so much better back then.....

...in comparison....to....NOW

AND FUCK ALL THE BANKERS!

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 17:23 | 4513556 graneros
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LOL. I logged in just to up arrow you.  I spent 9 years in Europe waiting for the "ballon to go up" and the Russkies to pour through the Fulda gap.  Obviously it never happened. I honestly was never worried about it.  I know your comment is semi satire but damn if it ain't the truth cause : "It was so much better back then........in comparison....to....NOW."

Almost forgot...  "AND FUCK ALL THE BANKERS!"

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 13:35 | 4512400 ptolemy_newit
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dear usa 

dear uk

Dear USUK - let your news report the truth

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 13:35 | 4512394 disabledvet
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I guess they better take down as many Russians as they can then.

I mean are you arguing "Ukraine invaded Russia here" you wacko?
Whoever "started it" is beyond the point now.

It is interesting that "no one seems to have thought the whole how to control this situation."

Clearly Putin "broke it"...now he "owns it."
That's what i meant...and still mean...when I called this a "precipitous act."
It's an action that begets more action.
And now "he orders stand down" or "off ramp" or something like that.

Ummm...you wanna see an out of control situation get really out of control? Or an out of control situation get really "in control" but still be totally "out of control"?

Head on over to the Doomstead Diner if you're looking to get a heads up here:
http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/blog/

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 16:48 | 4513373 Sweet Chicken
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Whoever "started it" is beyond the point now.

 

WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE!!!

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 13:35 | 4512386 ebworthen
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Wait, so it was two Western Ukrainian oligarchs put into unelected government positions yet it is the Russian oligarchs who pose a bigger threat if the West doesn't save Ukraine?

Who would they be saved from, the EU Brussels Bandits or their cousins in the U.S. the Wall Street Warlocks?

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 13:34 | 4512385 ptolemy_newit
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dear america

so sad please kill yourself and save face

 

 

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 14:53 | 4512795 Anusocracy
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Address it to US Gov.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 13:29 | 4512365 Toolshed
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Pure horsepoo article by asslicks with an agenda. Why is there no author credit?

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 13:46 | 4512466 Steaming_Wookie_Doo
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Yeah, apart from saying it's from Financial Juice, nothing there.

Can you imagine a situation where there's Occupy protesters, say in the important province of New York. And that the Russian assistant sec of state is out in Times square handing out bread to the protesters, assuring them of their destiny to "bring democracy" to this part of the world. Imagine further that a russian senator (perhaps Zhirinovksy is the only analog as potty as McCain is in real life) is out there letting them know "we stand behdind you". Ya think the kind rulers of the province of New York or DC would be terribly concerned with non-violence and allowing Occupy persons become the vice mayor of NY? How about after Occupy forces had come to seize the Marriner Eccles bldg or burned the Goldman Sachs main office? I can hear some of you cheering on that one...

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 14:52 | 4512791 Anusocracy
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Gold star.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 13:27 | 4512350 ptolemy_newit
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dear Ukraine,

It was Victoria that destroyed your country

 

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 13:23 | 4512337 dirtbagger
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Is there any evidence that the SDI shield has ever shot down a missile in which the flight cordinates were unknown?   Putin understands that the West's SDI defensive missile shield is a trojan horse.  It is not a stretch of the imagination to think that these missles can easily be reprogrammed  and rearmed for offensive capability. He rightly believes that allowing Russia to be ringed by missiles without some buffer countries in between is not in Russia's best interest.   Really not much difference between this and Kennedy's reaction to the staging of Russian missiles in Cuba in the 1950's.  

There is a laundry list of reasons why Russia has an enormous interest in keeping Ukraine (and other adjacent countries) under its sphere of influence.   Whether the reasons  are energy, security, national pride, protecting ethnic Russians, slowing the NWO, Putin holds all of the aces in Ukraine.   Kerry plays the fool flying around the world and making vague and useless threats. 

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 16:11 | 4513160 ThisIsBob
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At least Dennis Rodman pays his own way.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 14:37 | 4512726 lasvegaspersona
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dirt

I don't buy the protecting ethnic Russians. That provides China a roadmap for conquest....infiltrate with Han, eliminate the locals, declare protection....oh wait...Tibet...I forgot..they already know....

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 14:49 | 4512779 Anusocracy
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Reality check.

Worry about the US taking over other counties. That's the real threat.

I don't see where Russia has turned half of Europe into Warsaw Pact countires.

Ever get a cat to chase after a laser pointer?

That's how a failed human's brain reacts; innately and without understanding.

 

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 13:30 | 4512370 Winston Churchill
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The Israeli iron dome is not 100% effective against what are bottle rockest in comparison.

SDI is prolly just another costs plus MIC boondoggle (F35)that can we overwhelming with decoys

and the modern equivalent of chaff.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 13:19 | 4512311 thunderchief
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What a manufactured crisis by the west.

They will get USA liberty and freedom, just like the Iraqi's, Afghans, Syrians, Libyans, and more coming so stay tuned!!

Let freedom ring...

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 14:40 | 4512744 Anusocracy
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The US Gov/Hobson's Choice of Freedom.

 

You can have all the freedom you want as long as it is a freedom we tell you that you can have.

 

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 13:15 | 4512290 stevegee58
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Nah. It was Colonel Mustard in the conservatory with the lead pipe.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 12:59 | 4512223 SpanishGoop
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But there is doomed, more doomed, most doomend and absolutely doomed.

 

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 13:02 | 4512236 Uncle Remus
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You forgot American Exceptionalism Doomed. There's the 1600 pound gorilla in the room.

Wed, 03/05/2014 - 14:35 | 4512712 Anusocracy
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Nothing worse than a 1600 pound gorilla flinging shit.

Too bad we have to wait until the gorilla is pooped out. Then the people of the world can relax.

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