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On the 3rd Anniversary of Fukushima, a Look Back at the Cover Up

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An ECONOMIC Expert – Rather than a NUCLEAR Expert – Briefed Japanese Prime Minister on Condition of Fukushima Reactors

 

The Japanese Prime Minister at the time of the Fukushima disaster – Naoto Kan – told Democracy Now:

NAOTO KAN: Even at the night of that first day of March 11, what I was being told, being reported, was that the water levels were safely above the level of where the fuel rods were located within the container. And, however, now we know that actually the measuring equipment to measure the water level was broken at that time. And only four hours after the earthquake occurred, actually, was when it experienced meltdown in the reactor one. And even through the container of thickness 20 centimeters, there was actually a hole being burned through, and melted fuel had been actually leaking through to the outside of the container. And now we know this information, that this was happening at 7:00 p.m. approximately on that day. But at the time, none of this information was accurately conveyed to me.

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It was a situation very close to what we call perhaps the “China syndrome.”

 

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And it was very difficult to obtain accurate information and to know what was really happening. And so, the next morning at around 6:00 a.m., very early, I decided that the best thing to do would be to speak directly with the person responsible at the site. So I departed at 6:00 a.m. by helicopter to go to the Fukushima Daiichi site. And there, I met with Mr. Yoshida, who was the person responsible at the plant, and he explained to me about the situation, from his perspective, which was occurring on the site. And he was a very clearly spoken man, which meant that it was very much a plus in terms of considering how to deal with the situation.

AMY GOODMAN: Wasn’t TEPCO management saying the same thing to you as this man you spoke to, the head of the actual plant, when you flew there?

NAOTO KAN: From what I was hearing from the headquarters of TEPCO, and in particular from Mr. Takeguro, who was the former vice president, was—had almost no accurate information being conveyed about what was actually the situation on site.

And one other important and serious issue at the time also was, in the case of a nuclear disaster, the system which was in place, well, the prime minister and the prime minister’s office would be in the head of, you know, the measures to be taken, the office, of what to be done from there. But the bureaucratic organization which was established to support that function was within the NISA, which is actually located within the Ministry of the Economy. And so, the person who was seconded to explain to me from the NISA about what was happening was actually not an expert on nuclear issues or nuclear power, but an economic expert. And so, through his explanation, it was impossible to know the actual situation of what was happening in the reactor.

This is not the first time Tepco has been less than honest:

  • Tepco admitted that it’s known for 2 years that massive amounts of radioactive water are leaking into the groundwater and Pacific Ocean, but covered it up
  • Tepco falsely claimed that all of the radiation was somehow contained in the harbor right outside the nuclear plants

Nuclear Regulatory Commission Blatantly Covered Up Significance of Fukushima

The U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) is owned, captured and controlled by the nuclear industry.

It uses faulty models which put us all at risk, and pushes propaganda for the nuclear industry.

While the NRC was extremely worried about the U.S. West Coast  getting hit by Fukushima radiation, it publicly said that everything was safe and under control.

NBC News reports (in some excellent investigive journalism):

In the tense days after a powerful earthquake and tsunami crippled the Fukushima Daiichi power plant in Japan on March 11, 2011, staff at the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission made a concerted effort to play down the risk of earthquakes and tsunamis to America’s aging nuclear plants ….

 

The emails, obtained via the Freedom of Information Act, show that the campaign to reassure the public about America’s nuclear industry came as the agency’s own experts were questioning U.S. safety standards and scrambling to determine whether new rules were needed to ensure that the meltdown occurring at the Japanese plant could not occur here.

 

At the end of that long first weekend of the crisis three years ago, NRC Public Affairs Director Eliot Brenner thanked his staff for sticking to the talking points that the team had been distributing to senior officials and the public.

 

“While we know more than these say,” Brenner wrote, “we’re sticking to this story for now.”

 

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The NRC staff recognized immediately the public-relations nightmare that Fukushima presented for nuclear power in the United States. More than 30 of America’s 100 nuclear power reactors have the same brand of General Electric reactors or containment system used in Fukushima.

In fact, NRC whistleblowers say that the risk of a meltdown in the U.S. is even higher than it was at Fukushima.

Yet the NRC has actually weakened safety standards for U.S. nuclear reactors after the Fukushima disaster.

NBC continues:

There are numerous examples in the emails of apparent misdirection or concealment in the initial weeks after the Japanese plant was devastated … :

  • Trying to distance the U.S. agency from the Japanese crisis, an NRC manager told staff to hide from reporters the presence of Japanese engineers in the NRC’s operations center in Maryland.
  • If asked whether the Diablo Canyon Power Plant on the California coast could withstand the same size tsunami that had hit Japan, spokespeople were told not to reveal that NRC scientists were still studying that question. As for whether Diablo could survive an earthquake of the same magnitude, “We’re not so sure about, but again we are not talking about that,” said one email.
  • When skeptical news articles appeared, the NRC dissuaded news organizations from using the NRC’s own data on earthquake risks at U.S. nuclear plants, including the Indian Point Energy Center near New York City.
  • And when asked to help reporters explain what would happen during the worst-case scenario — a nuclear meltdown — the agency declined to address the questions.

Some of the nuclear industry bias can bee seen in the following quotes from NBC:

When Steven Dolley, former research director of the NCI and a reporter for McGraw Hill Financial’s newsletter Inside NRC, asked McIntyre for a nuclear containment expert to speak to a reporter, the spokesman asked if the reporter had contacted the industry’s lobbying group, the Nuclear Energy Institute.

 

Dolley asked, “So, should I say NRC is deferring inquiries to NEI?” suggesting that the NRC was deferring to the industry it is supposed to regulate.

 

McIntyre shared this exchange with his bosses, adding the comment, “F—ing a-hole.”

And some of the rampant hypocrisy is seen in the difference between public and private NRC talking points:

“Q. What happens when/if a plant ‘melts down’?

 

“Public Answer: In short, nuclear power plants in the United States are designed to be safe. To prevent the release of radioactive material, there are multiple barriers between the radioactive material and the environment, including the fuel cladding, the heavy steel reactor vessel itself and the containment building, usually a heavily reinforced structure of concrete and steel several feet thick.

 

“Additional, non-technical, non-public information: The melted core may melt through the bottom of the vessel and flow onto the concrete containment floor. The core may melt through the containment liner and release radioactive material to the environment.”

 

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When reporters asked if the Japanese emergency could affect licensing of new reactors in the U.S., the public answer was “It is not appropriate to hypothesize on such a future scenario at this point.”

 

The non-public information was more direct: This event could potentially call into question the NRC’s seismic requirements, which could require the staff to re-evaluate the staff’s approval of the AP1000 and ESBWR (the newest reactor designs from Westinghouse and General Electric) design and certifications.”

Moreover, the U.S. has long controlled Japanese nuclear policy.  And yet, NBC reports that the U.S. covered up U.S. involvement in the Fukushima crisis:

Brenner, the public affairs director, sent a “great work so far” memo to his staff at HQ and around the U.S. His third bullet point highlighted he NRC’s role in helping Japanese engineers deal with the problems at Fukushima — a fact not mentioned in the NRC’s press releases that day. The emails indicate that the Obama administration and the NRC were keen to keep up the appearance that they were merely observing the Japanese nuclear crisis and had no responsibility for helping resolve it.

 

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Wed, 03/12/2014 - 18:18 | 4540602 Philalethian
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Thanks for all your good works and tireless efforts to bring the truth to the light, GW.

Here is Alexander Backmans's take on the Radiation hitting the west coast RIGHT NOW.

http://alexanderbackman.com/pcr/

And here is some truth from CNN believe it, or not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ybcWxHDOxc

 

 

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 16:59 | 4540343 emersonreturn
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thank you, george.  i've learned so much through your posts and the comments.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 13:36 | 4539445 Walt D.
Wed, 03/12/2014 - 13:30 | 4539422 Walt D.
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Nobody is going to get excited until somebody actually dies. People see this as B-Movie hype. If people start having health problems in 40 years they will just deny it, like Big Tobacco. Apart from Karen Silkwood, nobody has died from a nuclear accident in the US. (We do have people who have died from cancer who were exposed to fallout from atomic bomb tests).

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 09:50 | 4538301 RaceToTheBottom
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BBC America had a show on last night that was basically "There was no radiation released at Fukushima".  Then they bring out the moms who have kept there kids inside for the last few years and say see, these kids are not healthy, far worse than radiation....

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 04:08 | 4537628 zionhead101
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Smell the roses guys, back in the WW2 they sterilized the mediterraen,

During WW2 the pacific ocean was full to polluted bombed out wrecks.

TEPCO is bad, but is any worse than a  normal year of man-made pollution? I think not, ... how many years does the ocean have left? Not many, .. most of the world oceans will be gone,

Hell in my lifetime I have seen almost all the great rivers salmon run's dissapear,... not much left in the ocea in terms of life,

That goes back to the meditarrean sterilized years ago.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 16:39 | 4540261 Toolshed
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"TEPCO is bad, but is any worse than a  normal year of man-made pollution? I think not'

Wow!! You are so very delusional.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 01:26 | 4537461 gann1212
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no one is bashing the japanese people. its the gubmint and tepco. but we all knew they were lying anyway. it will never be reported in msm because truth is not allowed. dont worry if u are glowing just report to work monday morning and put your 40 in. nothing to see here we are your friends.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 01:12 | 4537433 Tapeworm
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For what it's worth, I am using a Model 3 Ludlum survey meter with an Eberline SPA-3 probe to measure background radiation.

 The probe is a 2" dia X 2" long sodium iodide thallium doped crystal. That is a pretty sensitive piece for gamma counting. Of course it is not comparable with Gallium detectors but they will cost a minimum of ten thousand for surplus and need liquid nitrogen cooling and more, so my detectors will do quite well.

 About two months ago it was reading 2400-2500 counts/minute and now it is cranking along at 3900-4000 counts/min.

 I do not know why there is such a large increase in gamma radiation background. I will try a gamma spectrum when I get around to learning how to use the stuff that I have bought in the past few months.

 I spit on the idiots that claim that any radiation is harmful. Mouthing that proves that they haven't a clue about the bath of natural radiation that we all live in. It is the large increase from man made sources that bothers me.

Sat, 03/22/2014 - 16:11 | 4580768 Reptil
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Tapeworm - check the channel "Antiprotons" on youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnAhUiJynSNpHLNVa4nZfoQ

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 13:04 | 4539245 SameAsItEverWas
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About two months ago it was reading 2400-2500 counts/minute and now it is cranking along at 3900-4000 counts/min.  I do not know why there is such a large increase in gamma radiation background. I will try a gamma spectrum when I get around to learning how to use the stuff that I have bought in the past few months.

Yes.  Do learn how to use your equipment.  Just because you have a $1K+ geiger counter doesn't mean you have a clue about how to measure "background." 

Spend some time over here--where they get all kinds of newbies like you mistakenly believe fancy equipment gives them an edge--and learn how to use your equipment:

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/GeigerCounterEnthusiasts/info

I do not know why there is such a large increase in gamma radiation background. I will try a gamma spectrum when I get around to learning how to use the stuff that I have bought in the past few months.

You certainly don't need to spend any more money.  The folks at GCE pride themselves on how they can use the cheapest detectors and beat the pants off those with fancy new equipment they don't know how to use.

You need to learn how to use what you already have.  Psst: either dial back your sensitivity or stop looking at CPM and instead put it into time-integration mode, but preferably both!  You're getting way too much noise and not enough signal.

Forget about the CPM.  Just use "counter mode" for a fixed counting period and make yourself some "energy-filters" for your probe so that you can distnguish between alpha, beta, and gamma, for starters.

Or take an introductory course in radiation safety where you can learn that counting clicks is not how you measure "background radiation levels."

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 05:59 | 4537709 Bearwagon
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This ain't just about measuring a background with whatever probe. It is about dosimetry, a complex and intricate science in and of itself, which ain't easily be learned along the way.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dosimetry

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 03:49 | 4537615 snr-moment
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Stop being a voice of reason.  You'll ruin the mass hysteria.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 01:11 | 4537426 Son of Loki
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But the Japanese Prime Minister told the world, "It's only a tiny leak."

The funny thing is that while he was yapping "everything is fine," the foreign embassy folks in Tokyo were making a mad dash to the airport with their families.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 00:37 | 4537375 naiverealist
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What people are seeming to forget is that the north Pacific Ocean is being slowly poisoned.  The radionucleotides are being taken in by various marine organisms who are then fed on by other organisms higher in the food chain.  This has been going on for three years!  And it will be going on for plenty more!  The concentration of radionucleotides within the food chain will have dramatic impacts on coral reefs, oxygen-producing phytoplankton, invertebrates, fish, ocean mammals (seals, whales, etc.) to a point where the concentration will lead to disease and death.  This is impacting the entire north Pacific.

And we continue to let businesses get away with this behavior.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 23:42 | 4537199 sgorem
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George, i admire your perserverence and persistence on this subject of lying governments/politicians, lying corporations, lying mass media, but hell, give it a break would ya? you're scaring alot of people. the truth is, no ones going to die an agonizingly slow and awful death from radiation poisoning from the rain water, fish that we all eat, radioactive cars that we import unless you live within a 25,000 mile radius of this fucking place! so let's just jump on another bandwagon like the nsa, aca, cia, fema, hsa, the ripe banana in the white house, the circus convening each day in the dc capitol complex, the mic, the cb's, walled street, the fed/treasury, etc.... shit, take you're pick. otherwise, slack off. this fuckashima stuff does have what they call a "half life" ya know. couldn't be all that bad could it?sarc.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 22:45 | 4536997 steveo77
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Nuke Pro broke the Fukushima story on Zerohedge on March 16th 2011

That story is here, re-reading it, I was scarily accurate in my guesses of the reality.

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/guest-post-nuclear-japan-stock-market-holding-pictures-reactor-3-and-4#comment-1065186

Now Zero hedge does a good 3 year wrap up on the coverup.

 

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 22:27 | 4536928 steveo77
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We also know the Reactor 3 building was a NUCLEAR EXPLOSION blowing sky high with chunks of concrete in the dozens of tons range flying 1000 feet into the air in seconds.   Sorry folks, hydrogen is explosive but does not nearly have that type of power.

Here is the proof

http://nukeprofessional.blogspot.com/2013/12/fukushima-was-nuclear-explosion-here-is.html

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 22:26 | 4536920 suteibu
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Kan is simply trying to cover his ass from a legacy standpoint. 

4 days after the disaster, it was reported that Kan ordered TEPCO not to abandon the damaged plant.  Here is what he said.

Kan strongly ordered the company not to withdraw its employees from the power plant, which has been facing a series of problems since Friday’s massive quake, ranging from explosions to radiation leaks.

In the event of withdrawal from there, I’m 100 percent certain that the company will collapse,” Kan said. ”I want you all to be determined.” (Nikkei)

Concern for the company seemed his first priority.  During that same time Yomiuri reported that Kan turned down technical help from the US

The United States made the offer immediately after the disaster caused damage to Fukushima No.1 nuclear plant, the Yomiuri Shimbun said, quoting a senior official of the ruling Democratic Party of Japan.

According to the unnamed senior official, US support was based on dismantling the troubled reactors run by Tokyo Electric Power (TEPCO) some 250 kilometres (155 miles) northeast of Tokyo, the mass-circulation daily said.

The government and TEPCO, both having first thought the cooling system could be restored by themselves, rejected the offer as they believed “it was too early to take,” Yomiuri said.

It was also Kan who raised the safety standards for radiation exposure for workers from 50 millisieverts to 150 millisieverts because workers had already been exposed to 100 millisieverts.

Tokyo Electric Power Company said some workers at the Fukushima Daiichi plant have already been exposed to more than 100 millisieverts and that the company, citing the unprecedented nature of the crisis, has raised the limit to 150 millisieverts for some outdoor workers.

This is a considerable amount of radiation,” said G. Donald Frey, a medical physicist and professor of radiology at the Medical University of South Carolina. “The limit for radiation workers in the United States is 50 millisieverts per year, but we try to keep them to less than 5 millisieverts per year.“ (CNN)

It was also Kan who restricted the evacuation zone to 20 km and told people who lived between 20-30km from the site to "stay indoors" even as the US was evacuating Americans to 50 km and advising evacuation to 80km.

All of these decisions were made by the special task force created by Kan and chaired by Kan because he was "A Tokyo Institute of Technology graduate who describes himself as “well-versed in nuclear power,” (Japan Times)

For two weeks after the disaster, Kan disappeared from public view, including his regular meetings with the media, issuing only six press releases from his residence and rarely meeting with senior bureaucrats or Diet members.

It is easy for Kan to now blame TEPCO for the disaster but the truth is, this was his 3AM wakeup call and he failed to answer.

 

 

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 22:20 | 4536890 steveo77
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We have proof data mined from EPA records that 10's of tons of Plutonium and Uranium were launched and aerosolized and travelled far distance, AND you breathed it.

Some say that 1 millionth of a gram will kill you, well that "may" kill you, but my best research shows that 150micrograms to 400micrograms WILL kill you.   Do the math. 

Proof

  http://nukeprofessional.blogspot.com/p/uranium-aerosolized-into-atmosphere.html

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 03:52 | 4537617 snr-moment
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So then, we all died?

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 06:04 | 4537714 Bearwagon
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On a long enough timeline - for sure  ;-)

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 19:46 | 4536299 Westcoastliberal
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New Godzilla movie could be a documentary with the help of Tepco & Fuku-shima:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIu85WQTPRc

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 22:36 | 4536240 SameAsItEverWas
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If there's anyone here who understands safety basis of nuclear facilities ...

the big USQ raised by Fukushima Dai'ichi Units 1, 2, and 3 could be called "Unanticipated Failure of SCRAM to stop all fissioning."

When this was duly raised to the AS&LBs for Pilgrim and IP 2&3, NRC staff rejected the neutronic evidence of fresh I-131 in TEPCO readings by saying that the (AS&LB-qualified expert witness) scientist who was raising the issue, arguing against relicensing all three of those reactors, was no nuclear engineeer and was therefore incapable of noticing the ongoing criticalities, which the NRC's own "state-of-their-fart" computer code (coincidently authored by the very same non-engineer expert), cannot be used to estimate off-site consequences from releases exceeding fours days total duration.   But the Fukushima releases have been ongoing for years!

Arnie Gunderson and Arjun Makhijani likewise scoffed at the idea of Mark I reactor core continuing to emit fresh I-131 months after scram.  So even the anti-nuke nuke engineeers are so brainwashed by the fundamental assumption that SCRAM stops fission for good that they couldn't see it.  Groupthink and normalcy bias affect pretty much everyone except yours truly.   It doesn't take much to dissolve the (boron-based) control rods, i.e. if there's anything left of them after the steam explosions.  Even Arnie and Arjun kept saying "the control rods" but if the core is totally slumped (or partially ejected way off-site) then there are no control rods.  Duh.  If you have a new accident sequence which cannot be analyzed using existing tools, then they need to invoke the USQ process.  Fat chance of that.

P.S.  The reason this is a BIG DEAL is that it represents a totally new "accident sequence" never analyzed which, if they followed the rules, means that every damn one of the 100+ nuclear power reactors in the U.S. would need to be re-analyzed for the "Fukushima Syndrome" ... but no tools exist for doing that ... because such a thing is not suposed to happen.  So what are the odds the NRC will tell the world that they're stupid?  We're more likely to be destroyed by an asteroid than that ever happening.  NRC just like the Pope can make no mistakes, ever.  And sorry I dissed Makhijani by saying he's engineer, but being nuclear physicist that he is makes more sense now that he was more interested in the "unexpected" Cl-35 supposedly detected at Fukushima than he was in the loss of fission control evidenced by sharp I-131 spikes reported by TEPCO for at least three months post-scram.  I guess I-131 is just too common for his interest.  NRC said that ongoing fission after scram is "impossible."  Well, NRC is a bunch of morons and the utilities only care about profits and so only a nitwit would live anywhere near one of the damn Rube Goldberg-design 3 GWt power reactors.  

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 05:52 | 4537699 Bearwagon
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The log of Fukushima shows ARFI (All Rods Full In) immediately after the earthquake. (I posted a link to the log in one of my older comments). Neutron flux reached non-criticality as scheduled. But shortly after the tsunami arrived and led to a SBO (Station BlackOut) combined with LOCA (Loss of Coolant Accident). When the coolant level dropped below TAF (Top of Actve Fuel) criticality was possibly reached again as the core inventory got destroyed. So, the SCRAM fuctioned as it should, but to no good because primary cooling was lost.
"In rod we trust"

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 14:17 | 4539570 SameAsItEverWas
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The log of Fukushima shows ARFI (All Rods Full In) immediately after the earthquake. (I posted a link to the log in one of my older comments). Neutron flux reached non-criticality as scheduled. But shortly after the tsunami arrived and led to a SBO (Station BlackOut) combined with LOCA (Loss of Coolant Accident). When the coolant level dropped below TAF (Top of Actve Fuel) criticality was possibly reached again as the core inventory got destroyed. So, the SCRAM fuctioned as it should, but to no good because primary cooling was lost.
"In rod we trust"

Yes.  But what I'm talking about is the NRC's methodology for estimating off-site consequence of SEVERE (beyond-DBA) accidents.  It started out that severe accidents had nothing to do with design basis and NQA-1 but there was a slow "mission creep" of merging DBAs and beyond-DBAs after NUREG-1150 and Safety Goal, which went into the IPEs, and then into license renewals based on cost-benefit analsis of potential SAMAs.

They have no capabiliity of estimating doses from liquid pathways ... because of a 1970s study done long before TMI-2 had even happened, which was why they couldn't have analyzed a "China Syndrome" basemat melth-through there by that river even if they had molten core slump and CCI goop, which didn't happen there, but Fukushima is another story entirely.

And as far as off-site consequences goes, they assume that whatever is released (nobles and sub-10-micron AMAD) to atmosphere is CONCLUDED at t=4 days, measured from SCRAM.  Beyond four days they can't calculate off-site effects. I'd say more but that would make it way too easy to ID me.  It's on the record at thee Pilgim and IP2&3 LR hearings, if you dig.

With beyond-DBA risks being an essential part of safety basis, the NRC never "understood" the can of worms they've opened in doing that.  Severe accident analysis encompasses beyoiond-DBA scenarios, which is used to decide on a license renewal .... all based on "non-safety-grade" analyses using non-safety-grade codes and methods.   Say it ain't so.

DOE BTW does not have that problem.  From STD-3009 on they've kept PRA fully clear of facility safety basis and keep the two areas very clearly distinct.  NRC can''t see the diff between safety-grade and non-safety-grade and they've blurred the age-old distinction between PRA and safety basis.  That's the problem, and they were told about it in docketed comments by yours truly which NRC would always would conveniently fail to publish in their ANPR processes for both IPE and LR.  Both of which were written up by the Nuclear Energy Institute (NEI).  See where the SAMA guidance document on cost-benefit analysis for LRs came from and then you'll see who's running the show at NRC.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 04:09 | 4542057 Bearwagon
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Thank you for this kind reply. I did not intend to disagree, just wanted to complement the argument. As for "the NRC's methodology for estimating off-site consequence of SEVERE (beyond-DBA) accidents" - I would have said they just roll dices and pull numbers out of their ass, but your explanation is much better.  ;-)

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 16:51 | 4540316 emersonreturn
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thank you for your post. 

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 20:25 | 4541091 acetinker
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I have no idea wtf he/she (probably a he) was goin' on about, but the cadence and the lingo suggests he/she knows some shit.  Could be a colossal mind-fuck, but I'd like to hear more from SameAsItEverWas.  David Byrne is a favorite of mine, anyway.  Dunno if SAIEW shares that opinion, but that name came from somewhere.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 18:34 | 4536003 Lunch is for Wimps
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It's ok, radiation only lasts as long as it takes to read this sentence

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 22:09 | 4536845 snr-moment
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Nonsense, you get a significant dose from the sun every day.  Besides, the longer it sticks around, the less of a concern it is.  Kinda like not drowning from a drizzle that lasts all day.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 06:58 | 4537771 ThirdWorldDude
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Or you could eat a few bananas and get the same radiation dose, right shithead?

 You sound like just the right person to go clean up Reactor Nr. 2, I'd be glad to pay for your salary.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 18:28 | 4535975 Idi_ocracy
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I cant believe its already been 3 years, feels like it only happened yesterday. How the hell did this planet go to shit so quickly?

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 18:26 | 4535972 scrappy
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Let the wisdom of the people prevail.

http //www.nationallibertyalliance.org/ If we build a “Common Law” Grand Jury, the people will come. http //www.nationallibertyalliance.org/what-happend-constitution NEW YORK IS NOW FULLY CONSTITUTED. Florida looks like it will be second in the nation to be fully constituted. All of the original 13 colonies will be fully constituted. Then on to the rest of the 3142 counties nationwide. Connecticut is scheduled for next Saturday 3/15 at 10am in Hartford. Rhode Island is scheduled for next Saturday 3/15 at 2pm in East Providence Join us! Please spread the word. We also have the UK, Ireland, Canada, New Zealand and Australia interested. We will be setting up the internationallibertyalliance.org down the road.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 18:22 | 4535961 pondview28
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Thank Harry Reid. Most of the problem goes away immediately if he doesn't block the waste disposal site. Screw safety, screw jobs. Have to keep the Green donors happy.

Note - most of the sources quoted by GW in his string of articles are from anti-nuclear sources and are exceptionally slanted. Do your own research.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 18:56 | 4536075 steelhead23
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Not to sound too pro-nuke, but there is a world of difference between a carefully designed and monitored nuclear waste dump - and the absolute insanity of storing spent nuclear fuel onsite - and even nuttier to locate such spent fuel pools immediately above a reactor containment vessel.  Even if we decide tomorrow to retire every nuke plant in the U.S., it would likely take a century to complete the task because we haven't adequate storage for the waste.  Ask yourself this - would you rather live in Carlsbad New Mexico - or Fukushima Japan?

It would appear that the anti-nuke activist have successfully created Catch-22 for the industry, which is creating huge risks for humans.  NIMBY Reid and others have foreclosed on opportunities to manage that risk - so we are left with 100 ticking time bombs, spent fuel pools that need constant management to remain "safe" so that further development is impossible.  It is indeed a successful strategy, but so was MAD during the cold war.  Both are insane.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 10:24 | 4538461 elwind45
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Carlsbad fukushima or Baghdad?

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 22:33 | 4536955 steveo77
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Disagree, Cask everything in the next 7 years, that kicks the can 50 years or so, and makes us ALL a lot safer.

And no, after 100 plus accidents, we cannot trust humans and nukes on the same HOME PLANET.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 06:12 | 4537719 Bearwagon
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You propose that everything should be casked in the next seven years. I would wholeheartedly agree, but don't think it is doable. Transportation of spent fuel is very risky and needs enormous preparations. Look here: http://www.nrc.gov/reading-rm/doc-collections/nuregs/staff/sr2125/
Also, dry cask storage is the most expensive possibility, which is why we can forget about it ...

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 20:12 | 4536335 Reptil
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"carefully designed and monitored nuclear waste dump"
ok... but how is it managed?

Hanford is a giant mess.
http://www.king5.com/news/investigators/Lawmaker-State-a-paper-tiger-at-...

And WIPP?
Salt dome caving in? Act of God? Of Nature? Well, they've actually been stupid enough to do fracking near WIPP
https://enviroleaks.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/wipp_water_injection_wel...
Salt domes aren't safe, there's one in the Harz mountian area in germany that needs to be emptied, cleaned, already.
HEPA filter data doctored? (also check the other stuff on that blog, there's a whistleblower, so these guys got the scoop)
http://pissinontheroses.blogspot.nl/2014/03/alert-prima-facie-evidence-h...

I really believe there's a lot of knowledgable, capable people employed in the nuclear industry.
But as a whole, the waste disposal, and aging nuclear power plants is the scruffy, neglected end of the beast.
Obviously the big money is in militairy applications. http://thediplomat.com/2014/01/us-to-spend-1-trillion-on-nukes/
So it seems, the ppl. in charge do not give a fuck about some old plutonium-americium-tellerium-whatever crap created decades ago.
WIPP docu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Onj5EHXSZio

The problems of nuclear waste aren't suddenly falling out of a blue sky. They've been there from the start.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 19:18 | 4536126 George Washington
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Cheap or safe:
pick ONE.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 10:10 | 4538407 El Diablo Rojo
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Half life of radioactive waste 5000 years? The half life of Concrete 500-1000 years? Storing the waste in concrete shouldn't be a problem, which is something that your great great great great grandchildren can deal with. After all the argument is that we will have better technology then.........

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I work in the power industry (not NUKE), though I have met a lot of nukies. I also met a lot of folks who are now all dead who worked as insulators for SCE. Asbestos is a MF. Nukes don't kill you first; they kill and maim your offspring first. I saw this first hand, so sad.

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I don’t eat pacific seafood anymore either. We found a nice farm raised Salmon out of Chile. Caribbean and some Atlantic seafood still seem ok, but watch for lead, and mercury. It doesn’t behoove the large fishing industry corporations to haul in their catch, test it, and then throw most of it away.


Another good article George.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 22:07 | 4536832 snr-moment
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Even with the storage concerns, 11 cents per kWh.   3 years eh?  Weren't we all supposed to be dead by now.?  I don't remember the price of Chilean sea bass tripling.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 18:50 | 4536061 SgtShaftoe
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They certainly shit the bed didn't they?  Holy fuck!

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 17:43 | 4535850 SgtShaftoe
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So how high will leukemia, and thyroid cancer rates have to climb before the government fucktards be forced to admit something is very wrong?  Maybe when the pacific is devoid of sea life? 

Surely there will be prosecutions at the NRC and administration... not holding my breath. 

California ocean front property... Bullish!!!!

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 00:49 | 4536454 caustixoid
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The dirty secret is that radiation increases ALL-CAUSE MORTALITY, the biggest being heart disease.  Governments, the nuke industry, WHO/IAEA are HAPPY to talk about leukemia and thyroid disease - that's why they can claim so few victims from Chernobyl.  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl:_Consequences_of_the_Catastrophe_...

It's like the "radioactive banana" crap - as soon as you hear it you know the person is either ignorant or insincere.

Remember Vioxx?  Merck could claim that a guy who died of a heart attack taking Vioxx would have died anyway - 'lots of people die of heart attacks everyday.  Don't blame our drug for this.'    Only statistically could you show that Vioxx doubled your chance of a heart attack, and therefore that Vioxx, taken by millions,  had caused hundreds of thousands of heart attacks that wouldn't have happened without their drug.

Radiation is the same - you can never prove that an INDIVIDUAL pneumonia death, or a heart attack death, or a cancer death was due to Fukushima.   And since no one is looking for the effect (i.e. only epidemiologists with big budgets could do it) there will be none.  

The simplest stat to prove what I say:  Japan will never re-take the crown for oldest-lived people.   A radiated nation is a sick nation.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 02:01 | 4537516 snr-moment
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Odd, cause Vioxx was a great drug to treat chronic inflammation, which is, by itself, a known risk factor for heart disease.

Wed, 03/12/2014 - 16:53 | 4540321 caustixoid
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Actually all anti-inflammatories are "thrombogenic" (promote clotting) to a greater or lesser degree, so even Advil increases your chance of heart attack or stroke.  but note - you have to have atherosclerosis to begin with!

They all interfere with the protection of aspirin i.e. they block aspirin's platelet inhibition.

Internal emails were subpoenaed showing Merck execs knew their drug was killing people years before it was taken off the market.  Would love to see the internal communications of the nuclear industry - pretty sure they're much more damning.

Tue, 03/11/2014 - 18:06 | 4535911 Hey Assholes
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Doesn't Algore live there? heh heh

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