The Big Secret Behind the CIA-Congressional Battle

George Washington's picture

The Deeper Story

You’ve heard that there’s a big battle between the CIA and Congress over the CIA spying on the Senate Intelligence Committee’s review of documents related to the Bush-era torture program.

Many are calling it a “constitutional crisis“. House Oversight Committee Chairman Darrell Issa calls it potential “treason“.

The congress members complaining about spying by the CIA are right, of course.

But they are hypocrites. Specifically, these same congress members  didn’t raise a peep when the government was spying on the people … and instead defended the government’s mass surveillance at every opportunity.

There are hundreds of thousands of Google hits for the search term “Hypocrisy CIA Senate Feinstein“.

High-level NSA whistleblower Bill Binney, Edward Snowden, a very high-level former CIA officer, a former FBI agent and many others are all slamming Congress for the hypocrisy

Even Jon Stewart has lambasted them:



(And this isn’t the first time that Congress has been hypocritical when the spying was turned against them personally.)

A corrupt CIA is certainly part of the problem.   After all, the same guy who was the lawyer for the CIA torture unit – and who was mentioned 1,600 times in the Senate intelligence report on torture – is now the chief counsel for the CIA … the guy working so hard to make sure the torture report is never released. (He was also involved in the destruction of tapes documenting CIA torture … discussed more fully below).

And don’t let Obama fool you: The White House is a big part of the problem as well.

Obama has for years prevented the Senate Intelligence report on torture – what the CIA’s spying is all about – from being declassified.

Glenn Greenwald tweets:

Could someone remind me who appointed [CIA director] John Brennan and to whom he reports? Having trouble finding it in most discussions ….

Obama appointed current CIA-director John Brennan, who – before the appointment – had expressly endorsed torture, assassination of unidentified strangers (including Americans) without due process, and spying on all Americans, and got caught in numerous lies related to national security and defense.   (Indeed, Brennan insisted that he be sworn in with a copy of the Constitution which didn’t include the Bill of Rights.)

The White House has also withheld 9,400 documents from the Senate’s CIA torture investigation. McClatchy reports:

The White House has been withholding for five years more than 9,000 top-secret documents sought by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence for its investigation into the now-defunct CIA detention and interrogation program, even though President Barack Obama hasn’t exercised a claim of executive privilege.


In contrast to public assertions that it supports the committee’s work, the White House has ignored or rejected offers in multiple meetings and in letters to find ways for the committee to review the records, a McClatchy investigation has found.

And Senator Mark Udall said that Obama knew about the CIA’s spying on Congress.

Not Just the CIA … And Not a New Problem

But it’s not just the CIA.   And there has been a constitutional crisis for a long time.

For example, the FBI collected files on everyone.  As the New York Times reports:

J. Edgar Hoover compiled secret dossiers on the sexual peccadillos and private misbehavior of those he labeled as enemies — really dangerous people like … President John F. Kennedy, for example.

The NSA has been spying on – and intimidating – its “overseers” in Washington.  Indeed, the NSA spied on anti-war Congress members in the 1970s … including the chair of the Congressional Committee investigating illegal NSA spying.

One of the NSA  whistleblower sources for the big 2005 New York Times exposé on illegal spying – Russel Tice – says that the NSA illegally spied on General Petraeus and other generals, Supreme Court Justice Alito and all of the other supreme court justices, the White House spokesman, and many other top officials.

The Washington Times reported in 2006 that – when Tice offered to testify to Congress about this illegal spying – he was informed by the NSA that the Senate intelligence committee was not cleared to hear such information:

Renee Seymour, director of NSA special access programs stated in a Jan. 9 letter to Russ Tice that he should not testify about secret electronic intelligence programs because members and staff of the House and Senate intelligence committees do not have the proper security clearances for the secret intelligence.

(And see this.)

Former high-level NSA executive Bill Binney points out how absurd that statement is:

Russ Tice ... was prepared to testify to Congress to this, too, and so NSA sent him a letter saying, we agree that you have a right to go to Congress to testify, but we have to advise you that the intelligence committees that you want to testify to are not cleared for the programs you want to speak about. Now, that fundamentally is an open admission ... by NSA that they are violating the intelligence acts of 1947 and 1978, which require NSA and all other intelligence agencies to notify Congress of all the programs that they're running so they can have effective oversight, which they've never had anyway.

Binney confirmed to Washington's Blog:

The violations of law and the constitution are being openly admitted by both Congress and the NSA.

The Other Story Getting Lost In the Shuffle

And there’s another story getting lost in the shuffle …

Sure, the top independent interrogation experts say that torture is ineffective … and actually harms national security. You’ve probably already heard arguments one way or the other on this issue, and likely have made up your mind about it.

But remember, the torture used by the U.S. on the Guantanamo suspects was of a “special” type.

Specifically, Senator Levin revealed that the the U.S. used Communist torture techniques specifically aimed at creating false confessions. And see these important reports from McClatchy, New York Times, CNN and Huffington Post.

In other words, were not just talking about torture.  We’re talking about deploying a special type of torture in order to get FALSE confessions.

In addition, the Atlantic notes:

America is likely to torture again, if we aren’t doing it already.

(And see this and this.)

A related part of this underreported part of the torture story is that the CIA’s torture program ended up deceiving the 9/11 Commission. Specifically, the 9/11 Commission Report was largely based on third-hand accounts of what tortured detainees said, with two of the three parties in the communication being government employees. The 9/11 Commissioners were not allowed to speak with the detainees, or even their interrogators. Instead, they got their information third-hand. The Commission itself didn’t really trust the interrogation testimony… yet published it as if it were Gospel.

New York Times investigative reporter Philip Shenon noted in a 2009 essay in Newsweek that the 9/11 Commission Report was unreliable because most of the information was based on the statements of tortured detainees.

NBC News reported:

  • Much of the 9/11 Commission Report was based upon the testimony of people who were tortured
  • At least four of the people whose interrogation figured in the 9/11 Commission Report have claimed that they told interrogators information as a way to stop being “tortured.”
  • One of the Commission’s main sources of information was tortured until he agreed to sign a confession that he was NOT EVEN ALLOWED TO READ
  • The 9/11 Commission itself doubted the accuracy of the torture confessions, and yet kept their doubts to themselves

And the CIA videotaped the interrogation of 9/11 suspects, but falsely told the 9/11 Commission that there were no videotapes or other records of the interrogations, and then illegally destroyed all of the tapes and transcripts of the interrogations. (As discussed above, the current head CIA lawyer helped to destroy the tapes.)

9/11 Commission co-chairs Thomas Keane and Lee Hamilton wrote:

Those who knew about those videotapes — and did not tell us about them — obstructed our investigation.




Government officials decided not to inform a lawfully constituted body, created by Congress and the president, to investigate one the greatest tragedies to confront this country. We call that obstruction.

In other words,  we’ve got a rogue governmentThat’s the big story behind the CIA-congressional battle.

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ZeroPoint's picture

My guess is that people in the house and the senate actually realize the end is near if they don't act to reduce spending, and rather than face that unpleasant political consequence (where the SHTF could come about), they are actually considering cutting the black budget.

They failed on carbon taxes, they failed on mileage taxes, they failed on electricity taxes, they failed on Obamacare taxes (no one has any money). Raiding pensions will collapse their power structure, the next big plum is defense spending/black budget.





Ms No's picture

I just came from my accountants office and he said they are coming for homeowners paid tax credit and well.... every tax credit there is.  The black budget would probably be the last to go, unless its regime change in Papua New Guinea or something... that can wait.   You'll buy 1000.00 loaf of bread first.

Blood Spattered Banner's picture

All corrupt fascist countries implode.  Every last one of them.  When corporate interests take over the interest of the people, factions are created in the absence of a representative democracy.  The grotesque union of government and corporation works for a while, but when the easy money dries up the have to cannibalize each other.  And that is exactly what is happening now.

The red herring with this story is that the documents stolen back by the CIA are supposedly related to torture practices that have continued under the Obama administration.  After Abu Ghraib and all of the other horrific torture and war crime stories, I find it hard to believe that so much of a fuss is being made over documentation related to torture.  We've seen and heard it all with that topic.

No, this has nothing to do with torture.  The documents likely revealed that the 9/11 confessions obtained from the alleged "mastermind" were in fact contrived and false.  Corruption and torture are the norm now.  This has to be some very serious shit for the CIA to have to steal from an equally corrupt senator's office, hence the cannibilization I referred to above.  That information threatens not only the CIA's existence, but all of Washington DC, hence the stalemate this will end in.  My $0.02.

Dewey Cheatum Howe's picture

This is about Benghazi first and foremost. Fineswine like the good rat she is jumped ship the second denied knowing the CIA had an annex in Benghazi under oath before a congressional committee.

Didi is singing like a canary and using her position now to save her ass. Like Greenwald said who appointed Brennan?

So with that said does anyone think old news CIA torture programs and techniques pioneered under Brennan during the Bush years people already knew about is what they are trying to keep held back?

Think more current and applications. Let's put on our tinfoil hats and degauss our fillings in our teeth first and apply a little critical thinking.

Remember that little thing about the NDAA and Chris Hedges well maybe it wasn't about detaining journalists but 'recruiting' brown people from places like Dearborn Michigan for example.

Instead of holding them at places like Guantanamo Bay (which still isn't closed), places like that serve as recruiting sites then they are using said recruitment techniques on these people then giving the Dirty Dozen option which ends the recruitment phase and turns them into assets.

Think of the political damage that will cause with the midterms coming up if information like that came out in a Senate report. The old news shit wouldn't get a response from the sheep. That on the other hand and the MSM would have to run it. Remember the MSM works to maintain status quo not break it and if they have to pretend to be against status quo they are misdirecting here.

Think it is paranoid crazy stuff?

Ms No's picture

Interesting theory considering all of the "prison breaks." 

KickIce's picture

I believe the CIA is above Congress on the Rothschild flowchart which I belive goes as follows:



Rothschild agents

MIC-Federal Reserve-CIA-NSA

United States

European Countries

If they get their way they'll convert our military over to the United Nations and the US will be just another nation like the rest.  If China and/or Russia cave we are in serious trouble.  I imagine TPTB have a good laugh whenever the MSM declares POTUS as the most powerful man in the world.

Joebloinvestor's picture

This is great.

Barry uses his spy agency to spy on his own party who is investigating the other party.

Notice how not a fucking thing happened when the spying on congress was revealed?


Son of Captain Nemo's picture

Yes indeed... Jon "9/11 was an outside job" Stewart.

A comedian who invites Erik Prince on his program for an up close and personal in portraying the sensitive side to a merchant of death!

G.W. you ruined what might have otherwise been a good write-up.

esum's picture

waterboarding is NOT fact it was part of sere training as far back as viet nam.. and that was the least of the training.. aside from that, why would someone not try to get information from the piece of shit who slit daniel pearl's throat, and mastermided several terror plots including 9-11. oh and by the way, the guy pearl was going to see has set up 20-30 terror camps inside the ussa... caress and coddle the peaceful jihadi... til he slits your wife and kids throats or blows up a mall. how can anyone expect justice when the White House and DOJ are totally corrupt..and congress sits with its thumb upits ass becaue they are part of the concealment... Frankenstein, stupid Pelosi... are part of the coverup.. the FBI could have prevented 9-11 start there and clean house.. but everything is politicized and the end justifies the means... this is a whole lot of smoke and posturing.. lets investigate the no bid contract frankenstein's husband got or the insider info and ipo profits pelosi made off of mastercard and visa.. anything inside the beltway is totally rotten to the core. start anywhere and yo can round up thousands of felons...

George Washington's picture

SERE was set up as a DEFENSIVE program to be able to WITHSTAND TORTURE - not as an offensive technique to use in interrogations ...

Yes, waterboarding is torture:

  • Everyone claiming waterboarding is not torture has changed their
    tune as soon as they were exposed to even a small dose of it themselves.
    See this, this and this

(In addition, a lot more than waterboarding was used on detainees. See this, this and this.)

Lost Word's picture

Half right.

Half wrong.

robertsgt40's picture

Esum- Another troll ramps up. Waterboading was prosecuted as a war crime post WWII. You stand out like a turd in a punch bowl.

kurt's picture

Tolls either write too much or, as in this case, a patua' of puke.

GoingLoonie's picture

No, these are terrorist organizations bent on destroying the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

Johnny Cocknballs's picture

On a long enough timeline - it seems like some conflict between different intelligence agencies and/or elements of the government {to include the Deep State} is not only likely but inevitable.

The question is - who here is Saruman and who is Sauron?

Feinstein strikes me as Sauron. 


You have to wonder if Feinstein is afraid of some of her secrets leaking out. 

Or of being Hastingsed.

GoingLoonie's picture

I would say that she, like so many other U.S. Citizens was shocked to find out that it could happen to them.

dot_bust's picture

Perhaps they're just fighting over which intelligence agency gets to run Facebook.

drstrangelove73's picture

You'll never convince me that Chief Justice John Roberts didn't get a visit from an NSA informed government figure the day before he turned in the "Obamacare" decision.
"Now,John,we wouldn't want information like this to get out about you and that certain matter you were neck deep in,would we?No,so you're going to rule that Obamacare IS constitutional; hell,call it a tax,I don't care what you call it,just as long as you call it constitutional.Scalia?Who cares what Scalia says,and don't worry about Alito.He won't say a thing,believe me."

harposox's picture

I suspect that you are absolutely right. IMO this whole thing is an elaborate blackmail system put in place to keep our political class on the reservation, as it were.

Rumor has it there were some "irregulatrities" with the adoption of one of Roberts' children...

cynicalskeptic's picture

When Sibel Edmonds (still under a Federal gag order regarding translations of interscepts after 9/11 linking all kinds of people whose paths you would NEVER expect to cross) was doing background checks on Federal judge candidates she notuiced that the 'squeaky clean' ones NEVER got the appointment - they always went to those who had skeletons in their closets.

Ms No's picture

Exactly...... Sibel Edmonds.  

therearetoomanyidiots's picture

Even Jon Stewart is in on the lambasting.

Well, now we're getting somewhere.

kurt's picture

There is a torturing psychopath smirking while you are tied to a chair, powerless. He's threatening you and the American Way of Life. His mind is writhing with unspeakably twisted images. He's got a knife! Worse, much worse.

Now do you see why you are being protected?

This is why some rules need to be broken.

Have you seen "24"?  Its real.

On Fox

Panafrican Funktron Robot's picture

The re-emergence of the show "24" does not feel in any way "a mere coincidence" with the geopolitical events now unfolding.  That show was an expertly done support of black ops/CIA tactics.  I don't personally share the view that having a black ops force is unnecessary, but I do find their actualized utilization frequently disturbing and very obviously not in the best interests of the American people, or the broader international community as a whole.  Dirty work in defense of national security interests is different than dirty work for private corporate interests. 

Cloud9.5's picture

Something larger may be happening here.  This may be the outbreak of internecine warfare between the agencies. How long before the old guard in the CIA and FBI start going after the new guard in the NSA and Home Land Security?  These fiefdoms are in direct competition with each other and it is only logical as entropy takes a bigger bite out of available resources that these agencies go after each other.

doctor10's picture

Its increasingly obvious the best We the People could do for one another and the world would be to pay each of the 535 assclowns on the Hill one billion dollars a year to



b-"de-legislate" the USA

Drifter's picture

So how's that revolution coming along?

Everybody agrees this govt is terminally corrupt, moving swiftly to all out communism, and needs to be stopped. 

But that's it, just universal agreement it needs to happen.

dreadnaught's picture

speaking of sexual peccidlos,,, was J Edgar Hoover really a drag Queen in his spare time-or just an urban legend?

Lost Word's picture

According to author Anthony Summers,

the source of that Hoover story,

not merely urban legend,

Anthony Summers also wrote a major book about the JFK assassination conspiracy.

Buckaroo Banzai's picture

Well he's not around to defend himself, and I'm sure he had similar dirt on MANY others who finally got the chance to get back at him when he couldn't fight back.

In other words, who the fuck knows.

enloe creek's picture

the little people have the government to thank for the check they get and the ebt card etc. and if they have a shitty job and some offspring then the great big ole earned income tax crdit kicks in. oh boy you mean the guvamint pays poor folk to have kids and everystuff is free? you betcha baby go get it while you are young have a ball on the government it is all free easy livin and remember who to vote for a rite.
those the americans you think give a shit about the constitution
? we need the russians to annex us and do us a favor comrade

sosoome's picture

If the Senate Intelligence Committee doesn't have clearance to see the intelligence, what the fuck is all this shit about "the People"?

strannick's picture

Quality reporting,GW...

putaipan's picture

no comment. just linky-

new article by p.d. scott on the 'deep state'.

sosoome's picture

Pegged it for later; thanks. "Deep State" paints a good picture. 

therearetoomanyidiots's picture

Meh, first few paragraphs tell of "poor barack' who has no control to institute the promises of his campaign speeches and how the terrible reagan revolution increased income inequality - this despite more low income americans moving from lower to upper and upper middle class positions during reagan's tenure.  Seems to me the real shit happened when that 'Tofflerite' Gingrich and neo-cons joined forces with the progressives (clinton et al) on the left.  ALL of this shit is a direct result of the impact of the northeastern educational elitists who are smarter than everyone else because they went to Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Columbia, etc.    The same fuckers that fomented the hatred that started the civil war for the same purpose, to extract money from the economies of the southern ports that could stay open and very active in winter months and 'export' those profits to the north for northern states' use.   Perot warned us of the evil fucks, he correctly predicted what NAFTA would lead to, he was effectively silenced and, well, here we are.     


I'll take the inequality that the Reagan years gave, compared to the complete destitution we're facing now.

Lynn Trainor's picture

It is so sickening to watch our country getting more and more evil and corrupt.  We are no longer a government of and by the people.  The people are against policy after policy and are being overruled and ignored.

cynicalskeptic's picture

They've redefined 'The People' to refelct reality.  'The People' are the wealthiest 0.01% - the peopel who pull the strings and run everything ebhind the scenes.  

The rest of us are just serfs without any rights, beholden to our Lords and Masters.  Welcome to the New Feudalism.

simplejustice's picture

Welcome to the New world dis-order,go to and actually read what the world of academia and limousine liberals have in store for you and your children per agenda 21.

joego1's picture

When I first found out about this way back in the Bush days I made a bumper sticker and attached it to the back of my my truck. It had an American flag and said;

Torture is not an American value!

I don't remember anyone ever asking me or commenting on that bumper sticker. And so here we are now and the sick fucks are still wheelin and dealin their dirty deeds.

Philalethian's picture

The old dog only scratches the fleas when they bite her.

Until then she watches the other dogs scratch, itch, and suffer the attacks.

Here is another real preparation for war against the People of the USA by the lovers of truth and freedom and all things wonderful. Something that should not be seen. Don't watch this or worry about the massive amounts of radiation that is killing all of humanity very slowly.

Ukraine...Russia...Gold...Oil...S&B warmonger for profit kerry's big nose...


Next circus act, please.



Ms No's picture

It seems torture mongers like to add their own signature flare to their sick art.  I think this is evidenced by the fact that the methods are always changing, if not the inquisitions methods would probably still be in use.  Or maybe its that the psychos are afraid the populations would become resistant to the fear of worn out methods.  The slow acid baths and bedbugs of Stalin are so blase.  I wonder what those videos that are being buried by Obama and friends would tell us about the new techniques of inducing suffering on human beings.   We know that kneecaps were drilled out under Abu Ghraib, in that torture dungeon that American forces miraculously knew nothing about.   Would be nice if those videos would be let loose for people to see what is really sitting on the throne.  Snowden..... UNLEASH THE KRAKEN!

Ms No's picture

Hope we all don't end up with kiddie porn on our computers by morning.  I doubt I would make it through torture.... "yes I screwed bubbles the cat alright...... what do you mean you haven't started yet.... what's that hot poker for... YES I DID IT !!!!!"

Downtoolong's picture

There is also the turf battle for power and budget funding going on between the CIA and NSA. Feinstein and her committee are trying to save their asses from further embarassment by showing some control and at the same time sacrifiing the CIA, effectively supporting the NSA which they prefer. It's politics at its finest (or Feinsteniest if you prefer).

VWAndy's picture

all passive, they just peak and would never ever do anything with that info. Like sick the IRS on you or some shit. oh wait. Just look at all the crooks thet rounded up and all the corruption they put a stop too. But at least they got a good pick of my johnson.

zionhead101's picture


ALL POWER comes from the barrel of a gun


This is why you have CIA, FBI, FED-RES, US Treas, ... they all have their own private armys and their own private spy  teams.

They all hate each other, and they all want DIRT on each other.

They all WANT to be able to control the FIAT to INFINITE, DEA does it by Seizure, same for FBI, CIA & NSA has their own backdoor to FED-RESERVE to get FIAT to infinite.

DHS,US-MIL, .. 100's of agency's all are fighting to get as much loot as they can, make no fucking mistake all know the US-public pension system will collapse and ever4body is trying to make sure they can make payroll for their troops.

overthehill's picture

'If information can be ignored or misundertood, It Will Be."

applying Paretto's Law twice to information, First to see how many people are aware it exists gives 20%. A second time to see how many of the 20% understand the information gives 4%. Subtract out of that the 1% largely responsible for the information leaves 3% who actually understand what they are aware of.

The unfortunate take-away is that the 3% just wind up talking to one another, and the 1% could care less . . . .

Me thinks most of the ZHers are in the 3% . . . .

It would be interesting to know what percentage of the American popualtion read ZH . . . .

And then what percentage of them actually comment . . . .





















kurt's picture

somebody is getting lazy about pushing the text down the page

Panem et Circus's picture

Power comes from the consent of the governed. Read up on how Lech Walesa and Polish ship workers defeated the Russians. Read up on Ghandi and the starving-to-death Indians that defeated the mighty British empire. It just becomes impossible to govern no matter how harsh the dictatorship if all of the people completely refuse to comply, even at the point of death. Basically the "human wave attack" of an oppressed populace.

Uncle Remus's picture

So, spy vs spy vs spy...; ad naseum, ad infinitum.