“Do You Think That Because I’m CHAIRMAN of The Intelligence Committee That I Just Say “I Want It”, and They Give It To Me? ...

George Washington's picture

In 2007, reporter Charles Davis asked then-Chairman of the Senate Intelligence committee – Jay Rockefeller – about clandestine U.S. operations against a foreign government.

Here’s the exchange (listen to the minute plus recording or just listen to the 20-second money quote):

DAVIS: Reports quote administration officials as saying this is going on and it’s being done in a way to avoid oversight of the Intelligence Committee. Is there any way—

ROCKEFELLER: They’ll go to any lengths to do that, as we’ve seen in the last two days [during hearings on FISA].

DAVIS: Is there anything you could do in your position as Chairman of the Intelligence Committee to find answers about this, if it is in fact going on?

ROCKEFELLER: Don’t you understand the way Intelligence works? Do you think that because I’m Chairman of the Intelligence Committee that I just say I want it, and they give it to me? They control it. All of it. ALL of it. ALL THE TIME. I only get -  and my committee only gets -  what they WANT to give me.

This is shocking … but not new.

The NSA was created in secret … and Congress wasn’t even notified.

During the Vietnam war, the NSA spied on two prominent politicians: Senators Frank Church and Howard Baker.  Church was the chairman of the committee investigating wrongdoing by the NSA and other intelligence agencies.

Reuters notes:

This power struggle burst into public view during the Church Committee hearings of the  mid-1970s. The Senate hearings stunned the nation with revelations about CIA assassination plots and illegal activities. The result was the creation of congressional committees designed to give the lawmakers greater control over intelligence.


In the aftermath of the horrific September 11 attacks, however, President George W. Bush, aided and abetted by his powerful vice president, Dick Cheney, essentially gave the CIA [and all other intelligence agencies] a free pass to fight the  ”war on terrorism.”




The battle erupted on the Senate floor on Tuesday when Senator Diane Feinstein (D-Calif.), the intelligence panel’s chairwoman and normally a staunch CIA defender, denounced it for allegedly spying on committee investigators and violating the constitutional separation of powers.




The Senate investigators in that basement had discovered an internal CIA study that appeared to agree with many of the Senate report’s critical findings. Senator Mark Udall (D-Colo.) said the internal study “conflicts” with [CIA head] Brennan’s rebuttal. CIA officials suspected that the Senate investigators had obtained unauthorized access to the internal study, and yanked the documents from the  basement computers. Feinstein said Tuesday that the CIA had not only searched the committee’s computers but had referred the matter  to the Justice Department as a criminal case.

The White House has also withheld 9,400 documents from the Senate’s CIA torture investigation.

The Washington Times reported in 2006 that – when high-level NSA whistleblower Russell Tice offered to testify to Congress about this illegal spying – he was informed by the NSA that the Senate and House intelligence committees were not cleared to hear such information:

Renee Seymour, director of NSA special access programs stated in a Jan. 9 letter to Russ Tice that he should not testify about secret electronic intelligence programs because members and staff of the House and Senate intelligence committees do not have the proper security clearances for the secret intelligence.

(And see this.)

Former high-level NSA executive Bill Binney points out how absurd that statement is:

Russ Tice … was prepared to testify to Congress to this, too, and so NSA sent him a letter saying, we agree that you have a right to go to Congress to testify, but we have to advise you that the intelligence committees that you want to testify to are not cleared for the programs you want to speak about. Now, that fundamentally is an open admission … by NSA that they are violating the intelligence acts of 1947 and 1978, which require NSA and all other intelligence agencies to notify Congress of all the programs that they’re running so they can have effective oversight, which they’ve never had anyway.

It was widely reported in 2009 the CIA had hidden a major program from Congress.

To this day, Congress members get more information about NSA spying from reading the newspaper than they get in classified NSA briefings.

Congressman Justin Amash said that the NSA would only divulge information in classified briefings if Congress guessed at the right questions:

Amash said that intelligence officials are often evasive during classified briefings and reveal little new information unless directly pressed.


“You don’t have any idea what kind of things are going on,” Amash said. “So you have to start just spitting off random questions. Does the government have a moon base? Does the government have a talking bear? Does the government have a cyborg army? If you don’t know what kind of things the government might have, you just have to guess and it becomes a totally ridiculous game of twenty questions.

A senior staffer for the Chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee – one of the biggest apologists for NSA spying- confirms Amash’s statement:

Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, said in August that the committee has less information about, and conducts less oversight of, intelligence-gathering that relies solely on presidential authority. She said she planned to ask for more briefings on those programs.


“In general, the committee is far less aware of operations conducted under 12333,” said a senior committee staff member, referring to Executive Order 12333, which defines the basic powers and responsibilities of the intelligence agencies. “I believe the NSA would answer questions if we asked them, and if we knew to ask them, but it would not routinely report these things, and in general they would not fall within the focus of the committee.”

In other words, the intelligence agencies are rogue.

Congress Not Informed that the Constitution Was More Or Less Suspended

But perhaps the most dramatic example of the Executive branch wholly stonewalling Congress occurred when Dick Cheney implemented “Continuity of Government” plans on 9/11.  This created a “shadow government” which largely sidelined Congress and suspended the Constitution.  But Congress wasn’t even informed.

As CBS pointed out, virtually none of the Congressional leadership knew that Continuity of Government (“COG” for short) had been implemented or was still in existence as of March 2002:

Key congressional leaders say they didn’t know President Bush had established a “shadow government,” moving dozens of senior civilian managers to secret underground locations outside Washington to ensure that the federal government could survive a devastating terrorist attack on the nation’s capital, The Washington Post says in its Saturday editions.


Senate Majority Leader Thomas A. Daschle (D-S.D.) told the Post he had not been informed by the White House about the role, location or even the existence of the shadow government that the administration began to deploy the morning of the Sept. 11 hijackings.


An aide to House Minority Leader Richard A. Gephardt (D-Mo.) said he was also unaware of the administration’s move.


Among Congress’s GOP leadership, aides to House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (Ill.), second in line to succeed the president if he became incapacitated, and to Senate Minority Leader Trent Lott (Miss.) said they were not sure whether they knew.

Aides to Sen. Robert C. Byrd (D-W. Va.) said he had not been told. As Senate president pro tempore, he is in line to become president after the House speaker.

CNN reported:

Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle, D-South Dakota, said Friday he can’t say much about the plan.


“We have not been informed at all about the role of the shadow government or its whereabouts or what particular responsibilities they have and when they would kick in, but we look forward to work with the administration to get additional information on that.”

Indeed, the White House has specifically refused to share information about Continuity of Government plans with the Homeland Security Committee of the U.S. Congress, even though that Committee has proper security clearance to hear the full details of all COG plans.

Specifically, in the summer 2007, Congressman Peter DeFazio, on the Homeland Security Committee (and so with proper security access to be briefed on COG issues), inquired about continuity of government plans, and was refused access. Indeed, DeFazio told Congress that the entire Homeland Security Committee of the U.S. Congress has been denied access to the plans by the White House.


(Or here is the transcript).

The Homeland Security Committee has full clearance to view all information about COG plans.

DeFazio concluded: “Maybe the people who think there’s a conspiracy out there are right”.

University of California Berkeley Professor Emeritus Peter Dale Scott points out that – whether or not COG plans are still in effect – the refusal of the executive branch to disclose their details to Congress means that the Constitutional system of checks and balances has already been gravely injured:

If members of the Homeland Security Committee cannot enforce their right to read secret plans of the Executive Branch, then the systems of checks and balances established by the U.S. Constitution would seem to be failing.


To put it another way, if the White House is successful in frustrating DeFazio, then Continuity of Government planning has arguably already superseded the Constitution as a higher authority.

Postscript: Whistleblowers allege that the intelligence agencies are blackmailing Congress.

In any event, the courts don’t have any oversight over the intelligence agencies either:

  • When these judges raised concerns about NSA spying, the Justice Department completely ignored them


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spqrusa's picture


When he was talking about secret societies he wasn't talking only about the NSA/CIA arm of the secret society - these two are just pawns in a much larger network..

spqrusa's picture

I thought everyone knew that the USA has been run by a Military Junta since 1917?

I guess nobody got the memo - the National Security Act of 1947 - which pretty much made it official... Lots of fun and interesting things happened in 1947.

kchrisc's picture

"...land of the free..." LOL


""We're going to need a bigger guillotine."

Fíréan's picture

So a  "shadow government" has been running the USA for at least the last 13 years, if not to a lesser degree prior to the implementaion of “Continuity of Government” by  Dick Cheney in the year 2001, and Congress has just gotten wise to the fact and the degree of their political impotency    ? and that's now out in the open ? no longer a "conspiracy theory"  ?

Is the USA military contolled by this same said  "shadow goverment" to the degree that the intelligence serivces are ? Presumably the "shadow government" and "intelligence services" are able to finance themselves and their operations with ease and impunity as nothing covert is under scrutiny so anything is possiible ?

spqrusa's picture

The shadow government has been operating much longer than 13 years. Probably close to 6000 years now but that's another story. The USA became a complete tool of the European oligopoly in 1911 with the passage of the 17th amendment. This made all the imaginable horrors prior to 1911 possible - income tax, Federal Reserve, NSA, Great Society, SS Act, NDAA, etc...

Chupacabra-322's picture

Nothing new. The Miami Herald broke the Rex 84 story during the Iran-Contra Hearimgs.

Rex 84 was written by Lieutenant Colonel Oliver North, who was both National Security Council White House Aide, and NSC liaison to the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), and John Brinkerhoff, the deputy director of "national preparedness" programs for the FEMA. They patterned the plan on a 1970 report written by FEMA chief Louis Giuffrida, at the Army War College, which proposed the detention of up to 21 million "American Negroes", if there were a black militant uprising in the United States.[1][7] Existence of a master military contingency plan (of which REX-84 was a part), "Garden Plot" and a similar earlier exercise, "Lantern Spike", were originally revealed by journalist Ron Ridenhour, who summarized his findings in an article in CounterSpy.[8]

Transcripts from the Iran-Contra Hearings in 1987 record the following dialogue between Congressman Jack Brooks, Oliver North's attorney Brendan Sullivan and Senator Daniel Inouye, the Democratic Chair of the joint Senate-House Committee:[9]

[Congressman Jack] Brooks: Colonel North, in your work at the N.S.C. were you not assigned, at one time, to work on plans for the continuity of government in the event of a major disaster?

Brendan Sullivan [North's counsel, agitatedly]: Mr. Chairman?

[Senator Daniel] Inouye: I believe that question touches upon a highly sensitive and classified area so may I request that you not touch upon that?

Brooks: I was particularly concerned, Mr. Chairman, because I read in Miami papers, and several others, that there had been a plan developed, by that same agency, a contingency plan in the event of emergency, that would suspend the American constitution. And I was deeply concerned about it and wondered if that was an area in which he had worked. I believe that it was and I wanted to get his confirmation.

Inouye: May I most respectfully request that that matter not be touched upon at this stage. If we wish to get into this, I'm certain arrangements can be made for an executive session.

Exercises similar to Rex 84 have happened in the past.[10] For example, from 1967 to 1971, the FBI kept a list of over 100,000 persons to be rounded up as subversive, dubbed the "ADEX" list.[11]

PatientZero's picture

Does the President even run this shadow government? Or is it that he's a muppet for Goldman Sachs? The Bilderberg Group? The Royal Family? The Rothschilds? Mossad? Who the hell is really in charge?

spqrusa's picture

Those groups you mentioned are just tools as well - easy fodder for anti-semites, anti-royalists and all their varied ilk.

What you face is a much more powerful and ruthless enemy - one that has no human character and one that uses humans as cattle.

If you posit that an advanced race of beings have been genetically engineering humans for hundreds of thousands of years and you have training in Molecular Biology, Genetics and Biochemistry, you would understand that the last great genetic schism in the human DNA record from 210,000 years ago is not an accident.

kellycriterion's picture

Why do ZeroHeroes balk at the crime syndicate model? They like their fantasies simple. Too amny complications, too much realism takes the fun out.

Chupacabra-322's picture

It's The Global Criminal Oligarch Cabal Bankster Intelligence Crime Sydicate. Many who comprise of the names you've mentioned.

Fíréan's picture

 quote :


With good reason to believe so too, i wouldn't doubt. Everybody spying on everybody can render a whole lot of paranoia. Whi can trust who ? Who's killing off who ?  Who is really who they pertain to be or who they seem ?


moneybots's picture

"The battle erupted on the Senate floor on Tuesday when Senator Diane Feinstein (D-Calif.), the intelligence panel’s chairwoman and normally a staunch CIA defender, denounced it for allegedly spying on committee investigators and violating the constitutional separation of powers."


Feinstein should pay attention to what Obama is doing to legislation she enacts.

Lord Koos's picture

The blackmail thing is key. I've believed for some time now that the NSA has the goods on everyone in Washington DC including whoever is president..  Anyone with any dirty laundry is in their power.  It's the classic J. Edgar Hoover playbook, re-written with super high tech tools.

Chupacabra-322's picture

Spot on. Don't even "assume" it anymore. The Criminal NSA has it all. Conversations, text, email, web searches, photo graphs, recordings, Psychological analysis with threat assessment, buying habits.

It's s Facsist Espionage data mining free for all. Complete with mudrer & destabilization campaigns.

SmittyinLA's picture

With enemy alien politicians we need independent intelligence agencies, McCain was compromised in Commie war prison before he even got elected, and who knowns the allegiance of Difi, its certainly not to Amerika or our Constitution 

11b40's picture

Who compromised Cheney?

joego1's picture

I think the NSA has endangered national security by engaging in unlawful conduct domestically and internationally. We need to elect a President who will run on a platform to desolve it or bring it to heal. I think Rand Paul may be the only one in contention now with half a chance to do that.

Chupacabra-322's picture

Funny thing is the Criminal NSA is a private Corp. INC. Have its Chrarter revoked & dissolve it.

RevRex's picture

Did someone forget to blame George Bush for everything?????

usednabused's picture

Hey Rev, you're a real dandy. Step right up and suck bushes cock. Then go straight to hell

kellycriterion's picture

Wait! Wait! Congress provides All the money to fund the alphabet soup of thugocracies and spookocracies. Therefore the spooks must just be puppets without any real power.

Isn't that the argument given on the relationship between Congress and the special interest groups who provide most of the campaign funding plus, uh, well, other benefits? Gee, it's almost like, it's more complicated than that.

This article seems to be saying that the people with their hands directly on institutional control levers have power too. Particularly within their own spheres. I seriously doubt the spookocracies are telling Congress how to squeeze money out of the public, hide and shift costs, and pacify the masses.

What choice do the politicians, bureaucrats, special interests have? Go on strike, fight to the death, if they can't have total supremacy? They have a great thing going. Power and wealth and almost no REAL RESPONSIBILITY. Tyrants who have all the power are risking it all. Sure once in a while somebody does a little jail time. Compare that to Saddam or Quadafi.

optimator's picture

It took me 50 years to find out who and where the real boss is.

Fíréan's picture

re. optimator ." It took me 50 years to find out who and where the real boss is."

Could you give us hint, ?  I'm out of work and looking for a job !

the grateful unemployed's picture

we like it when the left hand doesn't know what the name redacted is doing

Dewey Cheatum Howe's picture

And to sort of tie into this since Fineswine admitted under oath before a Congressional Committee that she din't know the CIA had an Annex at Benghazi which is grounds right there for impeachment under no uncertain terms why according to the law (like anyone follows it anymore).


One of the top Republican congressional staffers on the Benghazi investigation founded a consulting firm comprised of numerous former Clinton aides and a former CIA director accused of lying to Congress about the attack, Fox News reported Monday.

J. Michael Allen is the founder and managing director of Beacon Global Strategies. He previously served as the staff director for the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, chaired by GOP Rep. Mike Rogers of Michigan and perhaps the most important panel investigating Benghazi.

Allen's new business partners at Beacon include:

  • Philippe Reines, a dyed-in-the-wool Clinton hatchet man who worked for Clinton from 2002 until founding Beacon
  • Andrew Shapiro, a former top State Department official (under Clinton) and senior policy adviser to Clinton
  • Josh Kirshner, a former top State Department official under Clinton who also worked for her as a Senate aide in 2006
  • Ashley Woolheater, who previously led a team “responsible for crafting and executing the strategic media goals of Secretary of State Hillary Clinton” at the State Department
  • Jeremy Bash, a former chief of staff to Leon Panetta at the Defense Department and CIA under President Obama
  • Julianne Smith, a former top aide to Vice President Joe Biden
  • Sarah Davey, a former aide to Michelle Obama who helped craft the “Let's Move!” initiative
  • Meredith Steen, a low-level Democratic aide who interned for Democrat James Moran

Eight colleagues. All Democrats. Four worked in senior positions under Clinton, the other three at the Obama White House.

The Fox News report by Catherine Herridge notes that one month after Allen interviewed Morell about the Benghazi attack in May 2013, Beacon approached him to hire him. Allen was then one of the most senior GOP officials on the issue and Morell the deputy director at the CIA.

A representative at Beacon told Fox that no conflict of interest existed because Morell was approached to be hired after he had already conducted the interview.


Revolving door and backdoor control using jobs to pay off people to shut them up anyone... Who seeded said company in the first place....


We have NO leadership running the helm they are ALL compromised best we can is clean house write in no consent, vote third party people not compromised backdoored or otherwise at the ballot box even if it doesn't change a thing the message has to be sent.

Dewey Cheatum Howe's picture


Feinstein Unaware of CIA Annex Before Attack on U.S. Compound In Benghazi Senator Dianne Feinstein (D – CA), Chairman of the Senate Select Intelligence Committee, told Breitbart News on Monday she did not know a CIA annex existed in Benghazi, Libya before the deadly September 2012 attack, which took the lives of four Americans, on the U.S. compound happened. Feinstein could also not confirm if other members of Congress knew about the CIA annex prior the attack.

Like Feinstein, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D – CA) is also a member of Congress’s Super 8, a group of top House and Senate leaders from both parties as well as intel committee chairmen and ranking members. Pelosi would not confirm nor deny to Breitbart News in September if she was briefed about the CIA annex before the attack on the U.S. facilities in Benghazi.

As reported previously by Breitbart News, section 503’s Presidential Approval and Reporting of Covert Actions in the 1947 National Security Act, mandates the President of the United States to inform Congress (in this case, Congress’s “Super 8“) of any covert CIA actions before authorizing the spy agency of any operations.




According to section 503’s Presidential Approval and Reporting of Covert Actions in the 1947 National Security Act, the President may not authorize covert CIA actions without informing the intelligence committees of Congress.

Legislation implemented in 1980 gave the president the authority to limit advance notification of especially sensitive covert actions to eight Members of Congress--the “Gang of Eight”: the chairmen and ranking minority Members of the two congressional intelligence committees, the Speaker and minority leader of the House, and Senate majority and minority leaders. These members are: House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH), House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), Rep. Mike Rogers (R-MI), Rep. Dutch Ruppersberger (D-MD), Sen. Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV), Sen. Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY), Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA), Sen. Saxby Chambliss (R-GA).

By law, such a covert weapons operation in Benghazi should have been known by all eight members. The disastrous results from the events of September 11, 2012 have not made it easy to get answers from these lawmakers regarding this point.


Is it fucking clear why they won't impeach Obama and won't investigate Benghazi yet................ Power doesn't cede control and no one is willing to fall on the sword unlike Iran-Contra and Obama can't play the I have Alzheimers and don't remember card. It is about political parties staying in control of the whole game at all costs even if means destroying the whole country and legal system in the process. If they won't follow the fucking laws, neither should we. The contract is essentially broken at that point.

Chupacabra-322's picture

Bingo proof positive of members of CONgress knowingly arming, funding & training known terror organizations throug out the Annex via Lybia, Syria, Tukey, NATO via the Crimjnal State Dept & CIA / Al CIA duh.

Would you expect any different? They're all Treasonists. This is the same crew of Criminals who were briefed back in 2001-02 about the torture program who are War Criminals walking free.

WhyWait's picture

Obama? Birth certificate? Maybe born outside the US and his mother hid it?  Maybe she hid it from him too?

So what?  So WHAT?  Do you think he's part of some vast Kenyan plot to take over the US?   

Maybe that's useful as a "gotcha!", but it hasn't so far led us to any deeper truth, and we've got much bigger problems!

Bigger even than this story of a Congress that not only is up for sale to the highest bidder, has been stripped of its Constitutional powers and is groping in the dark like the rest of us.

A bigger question, one GW and many others must be asking, is Does even the POTUS have power over the NSA?  

When Pres. Obama asks to see stuff, does he get what he wants?  Could he declassify the COG apparatus and its history if he wanted?  Does he even get to see it himself?  

If so, is it only because he was in on this secret government thing long before he was elected? (Now if the birth certificate issue led us to the answer to *that* question, it would matter. Maybe it will, but it hasn't yet at 5 1/3 years in, so it looks like a cold trail.)  

This issue will be put before us by history, soon.  The American people are totally fed up and coming to a boil. It's dawned on most of us that we were swindled, but we're still mostly naive enough to believe the POTUS is the most powerful person on earth, and that we get to choose him. So what happens when, as surely must happen, someone challenges for the presidency who the NSA, the CIA, the Security State genuinely can't control? When he's being carried toward the White House on a great public groundswell, a political uprising that makes Obama's Hope and Change campaign look like the costume ball that it was?

That will be a terrible moment of truth. And when the answer, the undisguised answer of the system to that question, is staring us in the face naked for all the millions to see, it will matter very much how many have learned enough along the way to see it.  

Because you don't just see with your eyes, you can only see what your mind is prepared to see.

So thank you GW for another contribution to our preparation. 

spqrusa's picture

The last president who tried to decloak the NDA/CIA and any of their programs especially the monumental secret was JFK. Every subsequent president (yes I use the term with a lower-case to emphasize the complete lack of real power in the role) who has attempted to probe too deeply was reminded of JFK. The sheeple have just dealt with it by going back to their TV, sports scores, etc.. - just like all those here on ZH will do as well. I am quite certain that the human character is completely lacking (genetically and socially) in the ability to actually make a difference in this matter. Back to sleep...

WhyWait's picture

Count out the sleeping "sheeple" at your own risk.  The Deep State by its preparations shows it is terrified of them.

spqrusa's picture

Terrified - No. Relishing the wacking a few dozen million - Yes.

MickV's picture

"Obama? Birth certificate? Maybe born outside the US and his mother hid it?  Maybe she hid it from him too?

So what?  So WHAT?  Do you think he's part of some vast Kenyan plot to take over the US?"

Really? a straw man argument? No it's not because Kenya wants to take over, it's because the globalists want to void the US Constitution. When the executor of the laws is illegal then there is no law. Get a clue.   

WhyWait's picture

"... it's because the globalists want to void the US Constitution. When the executor of the laws is illegal then there is no law."

I've heard that argument before, but perhaps I've never really *heard* it.  Can you explain it to me a little better?

What's the logic of it, and how well is it working for the globalists? 

Who has rejected or abandoned the Constitution as a result?  

The birth certificate issue definitely helped build a knee-jerk response from many on the "left" in defense of Obama, where it's seen as code for a racist attack, and it's fed a growing anger on the "right", where it somehow represents our growing sense of powerlessness.  As another "non-issue" dividing us and driving us closer to civil conflict in which we would all be the losers it certainly serves the globalists.  Is that what you mean? 

Or do you see something deeper that I'm missing?

MickV's picture

Just the little thing about the chief executive and Commander in chief being an illegal entity, and showing no allegiance the US, its Constitution, or its guiding principles.

If the chief executor of the laws is illegal then there is no law--- maybe that.

the grateful unemployed's picture

i think he meant Keynesian plot

gadflew's picture

Seriously, is GWash just figuring this out for himself now?  Aye yi yi

LostAtSea's picture

Why do you presume to know GWash just figured this out?  Who knows how long he has known.  The important point is that he is writing about to draw more attention to the matter, which is more than most of us are doing.

George Washington's picture

Been writing about this for 9+ years.

MickV's picture

Yet you still ignore the Usurpation of the Presidency. You are a coward.

caustixoid's picture

oh wait, are you talking about Lyndon Johnson?

11b40's picture

....or Nixon (oopps, he got caught), or Raygun with Iran-Contra, or Bush with the 9/11 false flag?

waterhorse's picture

Amash said that intelligence officials are often evasive during classified briefings and reveal little new information unless directly pressed."

Well then, 'directly press' them.  Whether it's Three-Stoges style with their head in a vise (or better yet their precious balls) or otherwise, do it!  Water-boarding might not be a bad idea, either.  Hmmm...

silentboom's picture

I guess it's time for that alter or abolish thing.  Wouldn't you say?

Darkside's picture

Fucking Idiots how do you think they finance these operations i.e.: Iran Contra. The Taliban virtually wiped out poppy growing in Afghanistan NOW it is growing everywhere in the country and NOW it is everywhere in our country. These fuckers will do ANYTHING to get their financing, even if it means killing their own children and yours. PERIOD 

usednabused's picture

Its not just the drugs they run. I'm sure they have printing machines going full blast too. How else do they get those cash footballs they throw at foreigners to buy allegience? If there's any filthy or downright rotten trick under the sun, you can bet the spooks dreamt it up or if not, they sure as hell use it daily. They are basically in a covert war against anything good and decent in the whole world. The only humans who work with them have sold their own souls out long ago to lucifer.

George Washington's picture

I originally was going to include a section on covert ops to fund CIA operations. For example, "The Politics of Heroin In Southeast Asia".

But the post was getting too darned long, so I left it out...

For those interest, you can start here, here and here.