Wednesday’s Worry – Will Alibaba Destroy The World?

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By Phil Davis of Phil's Stock World

As TS Elliot noted:  "Between the idea and the reality, between the motion and the act falls the shadow."  Whether or not Elliot was referring to "shadow banking" in 1925, 100 years later his words certainly ring true as "Vampire Internet Funds" like Alibaba's Yu'E Bao are draining liquidity out of China's financial system at an alarming rate. 

In less than on year, 81M people have opened Yu'E Bao accounts at an average of $1,000 each, totaling $80Bn of deposits.  Compare that with only 67M investors in China's entire stock market – after 23 years of operation!  Yu'E Bao gives depositors 6% interest and allows the funds to be used at any time, making payments by smart phone or straight withdrawals anywhere in the World vs 0.35% in a Chinese bank, subject to all sorts of restrictions.  

Deposit money draining away from the banks is freaking China out and it won't be long before it starts spreading (because it makes perfect sense for depositors) and suddenly we will end up with either a global liquidity crunch OR banks will have to begin paying fair market rates for deposits, which would also lead to a major crisis as rates rise sharply.

There's already been a run on the Jiangsu Sheyahg Rural Commercial Bank and you can ignore it if you want to – the way you ignored Northern Trust in 2007 or the Icelandic Banks that same year – who cares, right?  It's too far away to affect you, isn't it? Our bankers are far too smart to get caught up in that kind of mess, aren't they?  

Legislators, Bankers, Government Officials and, of course, Billionaires were invited to discuss this issue at the National (rich) People's Congress in Beijing (and let he who has a Congressperson not in the top 10% cast the first stone!) where Chinese Banksters, ironically, called for MORE REGULATION. 

“Now it’s time to step up regulation for the industry’s own good,” Yang Kaisheng, a former president of Industrial & Commercial Bank of China Ltd. and now an adviser to the China Banking Regulatory Commission, said in an interview this month at the National People’s Congress in Beijing. “The emergence of Internet financing is inevitable in China because it serves the grassroots better, but whoever is engaging in financial services, no matter online or off-line, must comply with regulations. If someone stays out of oversight for too long, the chances of it disrupting financial stability will increase significantly.”

The central bank, in its first regulation of Internet financing, on March 14 blocked plans by Alipay and Tencent to offer virtual credit cards and payments using so-called Quick Response codes, citing security risks. The codes are black-and-white squares containing product or company information similar to bar codes that can be read by smartphones.

They're going to lose control of this eventually.  If Ali et al are able to offer credit card terms along with the current payments system, it will be Trillions moving out of banks, not Billions.  World War III won't be America and Russia or China, it's going to be a financial war:

Yu’E Bao and other money-market funds could raise banks’ funding costs by three to five basis points and reduce their profit by 1 percent to 2 percent in 2014, according to Barclays’s Yan. In five to 10 years, they could cut banks’ profit by as much as 17 percent, she wrote.


“Why is all the money going into Yu’E Bao? Because banks fail to pay what savers deserve. You can’t fool them,” Ma Weihua, a former president of China Merchants Bank Co., said during a group discussion at the National People’s Congress. “Yu’E Bao is forcing banks to face up to the challenges of interest-rate deregulation.”


The drain from the banks prompted Niu Wenxin, a managing editor and chief commentator at China Central Television, to attack Yu’E Bao in his blog on Feb. 21, drawing 11.5 million views and sparking nationwide debate.


“Yu’E Bao is a vampire sucking blood out of the banks and a typical financial parasite,” Niu wrote. “It didn’t create value. Instead it makes a profit by pushing up the whole society’s borrowing costs. By passing some teeny-weeny benefit to the public, it makes massive profit for itself and lets the entire society foot the bill.”

In other words "Hey, it's our (Bankster's) job to pay 0.25% on deposits and charge 9% for loans!"  

F them all!  


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Gadfly's picture

And I thought Americans were gullible and foolish with their money.  

mobydick's picture

81m suckers? Instead of screwing Larry King & co, Bernie should have opened up offices accross China. Might even have got a few Princelings to invest a few trillions.

eddiebe's picture

Bankster by any other name....

logicalman's picture

If it's all paper and computer digits, then it's not real.

Doesn't matter whether it is government sanctioned or not.

If it can hit the reset button, however, I'm all for it.

stopthejunk1's picture

This has got to be a pyramid scheme or similar.

According to the linked ibtimes article, "Up to 90 percent of Yu’e Bao funds are invested in interbank deposits at 29 large banks."

There is simply no way that banks are paying 6% for loans to Alibaba, when they can almost certainly borrow from each other at much lower rates. The interbank rate is much lower. The SHIBOR is at 2.5% for overnight, and 5% for a year, see

So the real question is: where is Tianhong getting the money to pay 6% to "depositors"?

I smell a rat.

tom a taxpayer's picture

So the real question is: where is Tianhong getting the money to pay 6% to "depositors"?  

Volume. Like

kaiserhoff's picture

Same as everything else in China, rehypothecation. 

Works until the music stops.

putaipan's picture

is this guy related to satoshi? .... if so, i want in!

rsnoble's picture

I need to have a bourbon and clear my head im on fkn overload today.

BeetleBailey's picture




also see: CUNT

also see: LYING FUCK

logicalman's picture

Please cease insulting Shit Stains, Cunts and Lying Fucks by  associating them with bankers.


ThisIsBob's picture

How does Alibaba get the money it needs to pay the 6%?

WhyWait's picture

How could Phil not have asked this question?

80 million Chinese and growing may be waking up some morning soon and asking themselves why they didn't.

madtechnician's picture

He asks his forty thieves to go and steal it

Conax's picture

It's very illuminating that the Chi-Coms can bank their savings at 6% while we freedom fries can only get .0045.


kurt's picture

When can I get an account in California? The Fed OWES me FOREGONE INTEREST. I don't think they'll pay me anytime soon. Anybody getting 6% deserves it and if, as a side benefit, it brings down the BANKING sadism cults, great!


Pee Wee's picture

The world is kicking and screaming to get away from the fraud-finance cartel and Fascist government enablement.

This is the third derivative to replace their "money" in as many years.

TrustWho's picture

In other words "Hey, it's our (Bankster's) job to pay 0.25% on deposits and charge 9% for loans!"  


F them all!......You have my total AGREEMENT!  

ebworthen's picture

"Hey, it's our (Bankster's) job to pay 0.25% on deposits and charge 9% for loans!" 

Yup, all a part of the plan.  Then get retail money to chase yield in stocks, make fees and bonuses, then crash it all and rake more chips off the table, probably get bailed out all over again too.

Lather, rinse, repeat; all with the backing of central banks and politicians.

Oquities's picture

smells like GMAC (General Morors Acceptance Corp) Smart Notes to me.

Buck Johnson's picture

Exactly, except that China is to big to truly want to fail and I don't think that we can print fast enough to hold that tsunami at bay.

dontgoforit's picture

Good summation.   Hollow chow mein.


And, that's a lot of Foo Manchu yuan.